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Finland's Ambitious Plan To Teach Anyone the Basics of AI (technologyreview.com)

In the era of AI superpowers, Finland is no match for the US and China. So the Scandinavian country is taking a different tack. From a report: It has embarked on an ambitious challenge to teach the basics of AI to 1% of its population, or 55,000 people. Once it reaches that goal, it plans to go further, increasing the share of the population with AI know-how. The scheme is all part of a greater effort to establish Finland as a leader in applying and using the technology.

Citizens take an online course that is specifically designed for non-technology experts with no programming experience. The government is now rolling it out nationally. As of mid-December, more than 10,500 people, including at least 4,000 outside of Finland's borders, had graduated from the course. More than 250 companies have also pledged to train part or all of their workforce.

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  1. totally not a bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    basic could just mean some common sense, like I know that I have to take my car to the shop if it strange noise. AI, big data, deep learning, is not fundamentally difficult concept, just a lot of math. I don't need the math to drive.

    1. Re:totally not a bad idea by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      It's Finland. Just trying to get across the concept of something that willfully speaks more than once a month will be a huge challenge.

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  2. damn by Aromipesa · · Score: 1

    Our communist government being retarded again.

  3. Classic quote from website by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    "AI is going to have as big an impact on our society as electricity"

    Risto Siilasmaa, Chairman of board, Nokia

    Classic. Because THAT guy is good at predicting the future.

  4. Basics of AI 101 by sinij · · Score: 1

    Final exam is Turning Test. If you fail it, you get A+ in the class.

  5. Teach programming basics instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This seems pretty useless. It would be better to teach everyone (or at least a lot of the population) the basics of programming. "AI" has gone through several winters in the past, there's no reason to think that the cycle will ebb again. Sure, it won't be as low of an ebb as prior cycles, but it's going to be tough for some folks who have experience working in the field to find work at some point, let alone all of the people just jumping on the bandwagon.

    1. Re:Teach programming basics instead by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      It would be better to teach everyone (or at least a lot of the population) the basics of programming.

      They already do. Basic programming is already part of the standard curriculum for Finland's public schools.

  6. Can we WAIT until the tech has stabilized?! by the_skywise · · Score: 1

    I'm actually involved in "AI" work at my business and... it's not "AI". It's all buzzword marketing hype for state machines and not real Artificial Intelligence*. This is like saying we're going to teach kids about Phrenology because it's the new hotness in the 1800s.

    (*Which is not the same as the No True Scotsman Fallacy here)

    1. Re:Can we WAIT until the tech has stabilized?! by beckett · · Score: 1

      This is like saying we're going to teach kids about Phrenology because it's the new hotness in the 1800s.

      aren't you perpetuating this problem by using "AI"

  7. Lots of Math, Nothing New by foxalopex · · Score: 1

    I took an AI course as a University Graduate and discovered that it really is all math and that the Theory is by no means new. We just have far more powerful machines today that can do a lot more calculations for cheap. Most AI algorithms are simple pattern matching neural nets or genetic algorithms. We still don't have a good handle on what it means to be conscious or even what being self-aware really means despite knowing that ourselves. A lot of folks tend to believe in some magical take over the world AI but we're by no means near that yet.

    1. Re:Lots of Math, Nothing New by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Also, in CS and in Physics, the whole is not more than the sum of its parts. Consciousness and real intelligence will not magically emerge just because you threw enough parts together. That is not how things work.

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    2. Re:Lots of Math, Nothing New by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I had a keen interest in AI around 15 or so years ago. Experimented with some early backpropagating neural networks, checked on the progress of the CyC project, read a couple of the influential books on the field. Then I saw it wasn't going anywhere and put my interests in other places.

      Some years ago, machine-learning and "deep learning" were suddenly big, big things. Didn't have the time to dive into it. When a little later I did because everyone was still talking about it, I thought they had found a new breakthrough approach. Picture me surprised when I discovered it's basically 20 year old ideas, just on fast computers.

      And they still sometimes recognize the weather instead of the tanks (if you get that joke, you are really old).

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    3. Re:Lots of Math, Nothing New by gweihir · · Score: 1

      That is belief, not Science. Science in this case says the whole is exactly the sum of its parts. If anything "magically" appears, then it was already present in the parts. That is exceptionally unlikely with the precision we have in measuring the properties of the parts today.

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  8. whatever by hraponssi · · Score: 1

    The way Finnish government has been spending over the years with tech sector funding, I suppose this is just as good as the rest of it. The public sector decision makers seem to have little real understanding or competence. I suppose with the ecosystem and the people already in it, anyone not fitting that description wants to go elsewhere.

    I can already imagine soon having to work with people who will tell me they did "elements of AI" or something similar. Then proceed to think they are experts and happily tell me how everything should be done and is all great. Ask them to do it and they will be like "dude I made this vision and powerpoint, what more do you need". Finally they buy some crappy "AI" system from the old IT houses they always bought crap from and pretend it is all so great, visionary and world-changing. While the system grasps with the simplest things.

    Same shit, different words. Oh well, back to work I guess :P.

  9. No time frame = big wiggle by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    "AI is going to have as big an impact on our society as electricity"...THAT guy [has a bad record] at predicting the future.

    Most would agree with that prediction. But the key is when, which nobody can reliably predict. It may take 10 years or another 500 years before bots have what we call "common sense" (assuming humans don't bleep themselves back to the stone age).

    He didn't give a time-frame. That means he may be a forgotten pile of bones before his prediction comes true.

    Nobody knows how to give bots general common sense such that nobody can say what's required to do it, even the top current experts.

  10. It will at least be hard to be more stupid by gweihir · · Score: 1

    You would have to go into things like "teach everybody how to write an opera" or "teach everybody how to do brain-surgery".

    Ambitious, yes, utterly stupid, you bet.

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    1. Re:It will at least be hard to be more stupid by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      teach everybody how to do brain-surgery

      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of Darwin Awards.

    2. Re:It will at least be hard to be more stupid by gweihir · · Score: 1

      While I would say this is funny, I have a nagging suspicion that the human race is working hard towards that goal...

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    3. Re:It will at least be hard to be more stupid by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      The important difference is that they'll teach "anybody".
      If you want to learn it, they'll teach it to you.

      That's how education should work, really. Fuck the tuition.

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    4. Re:It will at least be hard to be more stupid by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Ah, yes. There is no tuition or only token tuition in most public universities in Europe.

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    5. Re:It will at least be hard to be more stupid by sarren1901 · · Score: 1

      Well it was funny until you posted that gloomy assessment. Sadly what you said is probably true.

  11. Nice by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Good for the Finns.
    Lots of countries have trouble just to teach their pupils 'I'.

  12. Finland is not Scandinavian by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2

    It's a Nordic country. There's a difference.

  13. Re:instead ... by gweihir · · Score: 1

    I think a lot of the AI fanatics are using tech as a religion-surrogate. Of course, it has to be all powerful then.

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  14. non-technology experts with no programming experience

    OK, beyond the one or two hidden wunderkinds you'll find, how on God's green earth are you going to teach these people "the basics of AI"?

    1. Re:Wha? by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      Because you don't need to be either of these two to understand the basics of "AI"

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    2. Re:Wha? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Because you don't need to be either of these two to understand the basics of "AI"

      I guess that depends on how basic "the basics" are.

  15. Well... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    "AI is going to have as big an impact on our society as electricity"

    You say that as if you doubt it to be true, but you sound a lot like this guy scoffing at David Bowie about the impact of the internet... back in 1999...

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    1. Re:Well... by Tom · · Score: 1

      I was doing multi-homed hosting centers in 1999. It didn't exactly need a prophet to see that the Internet was going to be something big. Heck, 99 was smack middle in the dot-com era.

      If anything, the interviewer was a complete dofus.

      Don't want to smack down Bowie, he's brilliant. But you didn't need a genius in 99 to tell you that the Internet was going to be a thing.

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    2. Re:Well... by DidgetMaster · · Score: 1

      If the interview was in 1991 instead of 1999, then that would really be something. Bowie's side would have been much more prophetic and Paxman would have seemed much less of an idiot.

    3. Re: Well... by Tom · · Score: 1

      Have some of his works right here on the bookshelf. It's a very interesting mix of foresight and blunder. Some of it I find insightful still today, which is astonishing given the age, and some of it makes no sense without LSD, I guess.

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  16. Anyone = 1% by GuB-42 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The way the headline is phrased, it seems like it will become something that will be taught in every classroom.

    In reality it is just an online course that a small part of the population are expected to follow. Coincidentally, it more or less matches the number of people who can code. That's a good initiative, but not especially "ambitious", and that's probably for the best.

    BTW, it looks like anyone can take the course: https://www.elementsofai.com/

  17. inspiring by fattmatt · · Score: 1

    Such specificity in education is a great benefit to any society.

  18. Re:FINLAND IS NOT PART OF SCANDINAVIA by bmo · · Score: 1

    Tell that to Humon of SATW.

    https://satwcomic.com/the-rake

  19. Re:Priorities wrong. by DidgetMaster · · Score: 1

    ...and also the Germans. If I remember my history, Finland was fighting multiple enemies throughout WW2. Sometimes walls work. Even if it just slows the invasion down, that is at least SOMETHING.

  20. Walls by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

    The only ones of the three who built a country-wide wall was Eastern Germany, aka the GDR.
    I guess Finland and the Soviet union had fortified SOME places, but that is not the same as a wall that spans an entire border.

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    1. Re: Walls by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      The "Wall" you're referring to separated east from west Berlin.p Hence its fucking name.

    2. Re: Walls by whizzter · · Score: 1

      While the Berlin Wall itself as just in Berlin it stood as the prime example of the Iron Curtain division of Europe and apart from the Berlin border there was also an division of the German countryside as well.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_German_border

    3. Re: Walls by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      And along the rest of the borders they had stuff like barbed wire fences, some mine fields and guard towers with guards that had orders to shoot at refugees. Stuff that would give Trump a massive orgasm if he could find the money for it.

      So, not always a wall as in "pile of bricks", but still some sort of serious obstacle

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  21. I'd love to see what they're teaching? by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    Are they also teaching "how to ride unicorns" or maybe "how to speak draconic languages"?...since AI (as in actual, independent, artificial intelligence) DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXIST.

    According to TFA, they're talking about the "AI" that offers options based on your Facebook perceives, or that interpret photographs online...Google calling it AI doesn't make it so. Those are reinforced-dynamic learning heuristics fronting a massive database search engine.

    Don't get me wrong, those are fascinating and interesting things that I myself would love to understand better (not sure what actual value there is to pushing for broad understanding of the techniques, though), but were falling gullibly for marketing-speak by allowing then to be called "artificial intelligence". Actual AI - the idea of a synthetic analogue to a creative, independent human brain (or even, let's say, a true simulation of a simplistic animal or insect brain) - is DECADES away at the most optimistic estimates.

    I'm not really sure I understand what's going on: the conventional wisdom seems to have abandoned reality in favor of this sort of invented utopia where we simply insist things exist and then start acting as if they do? Slashdot in particular is rife with articles about how AI will take your job (it won't, anytime soon), how we'll all be using self driving cars (there are MASSIVE technical hurdles remaining, to say nothing of legal norms yet undetermined), and how we can basically run the world on solar/wind power (we're decades from that, at least, if it's even possible). Some people are troubled by fake news...I'm now troubled by the apparent willingness of great swathes of the population living almost entirely in a fictional now.

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  22. propagation of machine learning by SethJohnson · · Score: 1

    If you understand that well enough, you can make educated guesses of how easy it is to use AI for something.

    I agree with your distillation of the current applications of machine learning. Your last sentence, I think, captures the value that can be brought to Finland by running 55k people through a basic machine learning tutorial. A diverse portion of the population will be exposed to the potential of machine learning and may become 'consultants' identifying ML application opportunities throughout Finland's economy. The exercise may be especially useful in identifying automation opportunities where there is no financial incentive, but could produce an improved quality of life.

  23. Recall by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    When the UK had the BBC Micro, Dragon 32/64 and was going to have fully educated computer workers exporting to the world?
    Many people in a generation got to see, work with and use a computer.
    The result was a UK generation that was just as average as every other UK educated generation.
    With the cost of all the new computers to account for.

    When France invested in new computer education? All the Thomson products for French education?
    Same result as the UK. People got to use the computer and stayed as average as past generations.

    The USA moved in with Microsoft and Apple and people played new fun computer games and did some GUI desktop publishing.
    The USA was ready with the usable computer products and services the people living in the EU wanted, needed and enjoyed.

    What will the AI do for Finland?
    A to of new money will get used for education.
    Will the AI do anything more that it did for the past decades of funding? No.
    IQ cant be "educated" into a generation that will not and cannot learn using the next topic in "computers".
    The GUI, robot kits, new programming language, a code of conduct, a book to copy code from, a map created of the UK did not result in better students.

    AI and education will be fun for the people selling the products and services needed to "teach" about the AI.
    All the software, support material, teaching, new computers.

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  24. More Pointless than "Everyone Should Code" by Jarwulf · · Score: 1

    Isn't the point of AI, so that people don't have to bother? Even more so than coding? Whats the big whoop that 10 million people know how to automate away everybody elses job vs only 100K, which is not likely anyway? Under what rational world does Joanne Sixpint the cashier need to know backpropagation or RNNs? The true basics she can get more effectively and with more fun from scifi shows, no government money wasted. Just more government paternalism and blind corporate greed for low wages

  25. Took course last summer - it ws good by TD29 · · Score: 1

    The course was quite informative and well done. It would be a great place to start on AI concepts - it is not a coding course Would recommend it to anyone interested in AI but not doing it professionally

  26. But, Finland isn't; real by Texmaize · · Score: 1
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  27. Finally by DMJC · · Score: 1

    Time to found Faro industries and name my firstborn Ted. Maybe work on getting Project Zero Dawn created before we go about destroying ourselves?

  28. Estonia by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Estonia responds by teaching everyone brain surgery

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  29. Re:I'dhttps://t love to see what they're teaching? by TD29 · · Score: 1

    Took course last year The course was quite informative and well done. It is a great place to start on AI concepts - it is not a coding course Would recommend it to anyone not professionally in AI You can see - it is just one click away