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Researchers Report Breakthrough In Ice-Repelling Materials (phys.org)

"Researchers from the University of Houston have reported a new theory in physics called stress localization, which they used to tune and predict the properties of new materials," reports Phys.Org. "Based on those predictions, the researchers reported in Materials Horizons that they have created a durable silicone polymer coating capable of repelling ice from any surface." The new research has huge implications for aircraft, power transmission lines, and more. From the report: Hadi Ghasemi, Bill D. Cook Assistant Professor of mechanical engineering at UH and corresponding author for the work, said the findings suggest a way to take trial and error out of the search for new materials, in keeping with the movement of materials science toward a physics-driven approach. "You put in the properties you want, and the principle will tell you what material you need to synthesize," he said, noting that the concept can also be used to predict materials with superb antibacterial or other desirable properties.

The new material uses elastic energy localization where ice meets the material, triggering cracks at the interface that slough off the ice. Ghasemi said it requires minimal force to cause the cracks; the flow of air over the surface of an airplane acts as a trigger, for example. The material, which is applied as a spray, can be used on any surface, and Ghasemi said testing showed it is not only mechanically durable and unaffected by ultraviolet rays -- important for aircraft which face constant sun exposure -- but also does not change the aircraft's aerodynamic performance. Testing indicates it will last for more than 10 years, with no need to reapply, he said.

73 comments

  1. Is this real? by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 1

    If so, this seems like Nobel Prize for Physics worthy, as well as having the potential to make some people extremely wealthy.

    1. Re:Is this real? by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      If so, this seems like Nobel Prize for Physics worthy, as well as having the potential to make some people extremely wealthy.

      If only it worked that way. A CEO somewhere will give these guys an award and maybe a small bonus. The CEO will get 100x that.

    2. Re: Is this real? by dbrueck · · Score: 5, Informative

      Does this material actually exist and has it been tested? HELL NO

      Hehe, in the time it took you to write your little rant, you could have clicked the link to the article and seen the nifty video showing the material being used.

    3. Re:Is this real? by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      If only it worked that way. A CEO somewhere will give these guys an award and maybe a small bonus. The CEO will get 100x that.

      The statement was "make some people extremely wealthy". In case #1, a CEO is a people, so it'd still be accurate. Case #2: You apparently don't understand how corporations work....

  2. Maybe rockets too? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ice falling off the liquid oxygen tank doomed one of the space shuttles, if I recall correctly.

    1. Re:Maybe rockets too? by AJWM · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not quite. It was insulating foam falling off the tank.

      Nobody thought that would be a problem, because foam, right? Unless that foam happens to get accelerated by a 500 MPH relative windstream.

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    2. Re: Maybe rockets too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure they were referring to Challenger, not Columbia. In that case, low temperatures compromised an Oring seal on the right SRB, allowing superheated gasses to escape and compromise the ET.

    3. Re: Maybe rockets too? by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      In which case ice still had nothing to do with it.

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    4. Re:Maybe rockets too? by quenda · · Score: 1

      Also, imagine the benefits for North Atlantic shipping!

  3. Most obvious use by backslashdot · · Score: 1

    Flying cars over Antarctica!

  4. Re:Powered by Donald Trump's failing marriage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why can't you Slashdot people BAN the IP of these pieces of shit who continue clogging up the forum with UTTERLY IRRELEVANT posts ?

    Or let me know their IP address and I'll take care of it.

  5. Neat! by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    It's pretty cool (intended), but honestly I'm more impressed at a spray-on coating that cannot be removed with sandpaper NOR FILE? What?

    As far as the icephobic nature, I guess there are a few questions:
    - cost (always)
    - vulnerability to heat/long-term UV exposure/thermal expansion. Things that get covered in ice also (often) are exposed to the sun for long periods as well.
    - effectiveness at various ranges of temperature and ice types - I can see this working well at a certain range of temps but there are so very many types of what we collectively call "ice"
    - opacity? transparency could make it much more useful (icing windows are a HUGE issue in certain climates)

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    1. Re:Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't you RTFS?

      Ghasemi said testing showed it is not only mechanically durable and unaffected by ultraviolet rays

    2. Re:Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      toxicity and environmental impact?

    3. Re:Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which would win in this scenario? Icephobic coating or Minnesota roadway ice in winter? My bet is on the ice.

    4. Re:Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can almost guarantee that stuff like this never gets used because it will be patented, so no one will want to use it. No one will even be interested in it.

    5. Re:Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't you learnt anything about making money?
      Such things are to be left for the next generation to deal with, only they will be too busy whining about all the carbon dioxide and rotting animal corpses in the world to even notice a little extra toxicity.

    6. Re:Neat! by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      What the fuck are you talking about? You don't think the patent holder would sell products made from this? If nothing else one would have to be a fool not to license it.... Patents have a purpose.. To make someone money.. The frequency of patents being purchased to be shelved is probably not nearly as much as you think.. What's the competition to ice-free wings? That shit they spray on to melt it at the terminal? Patent on that crap expired long ago.. Competition in that industry.. But a coating you spray on 1x every 10 years? Yeah, they'll own the market.. Billions of dollars.. Every plane on Earth is a potential customer..

    7. Re:Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The history of Starlite shows that even amazing discoveries can be lost.

    8. Re:Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to take a wild guess and say that it is insignificant compared to any ICE.

    9. Re:Neat! by famebait · · Score: 1

      That inventor refused to publish.
      Patents require you to publish.
      Patents exist precisely to avoid situations like this,
      You are arguing FOR patents.

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    10. Re:Neat! by DrSpock11 · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the application of sandpaper and file in the video were very light and wholly unscientific. I don't think lightly grazing the coating with sandpaper a few times is a really good indicator of its durability.

    11. Re:Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet is the great lost and found!

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    12. Re:Neat! by BostonPilot · · Score: 1

      The stuff you see them spray on the aircraft before takeoff is a glycol fluid, typically propylene glycol. Typically the hot stuff you see being sprayed on is Type 1 which is only good for about 5-15 minutes, so either the plane needs to be sprayed just before takeoff, or they'll also spray on a non-hot glycol fluid with a thickener in order to put a thick layer on the aircraft. That can then allow the aircraft to wait as long as 80 minutes before takeoff.

      The Type 1 stuff costs between $5-$7 per gallon, so imagine how much money is being spent at a big airport during weather that is requiring deice of all the aircraft taking off.

      Although we call the stuff "de-ice" fluid, Type 1 will remove snow, slush, etc., in addition to ice, which I'm not sure the material discussed in this article would do.

      In flight, the critical areas (leading edges, ailerons, tail surfaces) will either have a heating strip or rubber bladders, or in some cases a glycol distribution system (TKS) to prevent ice accumulation. This seems to me to be what this material would be good for.

    13. Re:Neat! by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Anti-icing (Type 4) fluids that can help keep ice under control for longer aren't simply Type 1 glycol de-icing fluids with a thickener. They have to be shear-thinning fluids, with a high viscosity at rest, so they stay on the wing while waiting, but a low viscosity when the air rushes past, so the fluid slides off the wings on takeoff. This can be done with glycol-based polymer chains that tangle at rest, but straighten and align under shear forces, or side chains that break off easily under shear, or a number of other ways that the chemists have come up with.
      If the subject "breakthough" ice repelling material proves to be practical, I imagine it will reduce the need for the de-icing / anti-icing fluids.

    14. Re:Neat! by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      I can almost guarantee that your wrong.

      I'd pay dearly to coat the inside of my airplane's carb, and just about every pilot I know would two. Carb ice is a big deal for general aviation aircraft, and many people are killed by it every year.

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  6. Speed. Skis. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this was applied to the bottom of a ski, would these be super fast going down the mountain?

  7. "Last for more than 10 years, no need to reapply" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's property that will have to be modified to allow for some profitability.

  8. learning from our mistakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am all for a new, revolutionary product that can revolutionize an industry or society. This almost sounds, too good to be true. If it is as wonderful as it sounds, the process that was used to discover it would be a wonderful advancement for science.

    Does any think these new materials should be studied for any negative, environmental or health impacts over short and long-terms? Could the process include these criteria for the suggested material? I hope we are not creating the next CFC, PCB, PFA/PFO, etc... Not sure I would consider it groundbreaking, if it doesn't.

  9. Repelling ice? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    It's bad enough trying to drive on icy roads, now we have to drive on levitating ice over roads!

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    1. Re:Repelling ice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spray something on yourself to keep your repulsiveness contained within you boring old nazi.

    2. Re: Repelling ice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah whatâ(TM)s up with that? Hello!

    3. Re: Repelling ice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liquid from my nose is best repelling coating.

  10. Christmas Vacation by isny · · Score: 1

    I seem to recall Clark Griswold working on just that type of spray on material.

  11. Very valuable for aircraft by joe_frisch · · Score: 1

    If it works as described, and if the cost is reasonable, this would be fantastic for aircraft ice protection. Valuable for small planes that don't have de-ice heat, and for airliners to need less area covered with de-ice gear.

    If it works. This type of success has been described before, so I'll wait a bit before I believe it. If it does really work though, its great .

    1. Re:Very valuable for aircraft by aberglas · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. Ice is terrifying in a light aircraft or glider.

    2. Re:Very valuable for aircraft by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      More important would be a coating for the inside of the carb. The ice there kills more people than ice on the wings.

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  12. California Gov will spray the whole state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    California's governor will spray the whole state with any thing that repels ICE, DHS or GOP.

    1. Re: California Gov will spray the whole state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, youâ(TM)ll never find out if you donâ(TM)t ban them

  13. Note: Ice repelling not the same as ice rappelling by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    Note: Ice repelling not the same as Ice rappelling. Sorry for the shaky video. Couldn't find a decent one of the Ben, Ames or Bridalveil.

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  14. I want that! by DrTJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To apply on my car's windshield!

    The ice sticks really hard when it is -10C or more.

    1. Re: I want that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just use the anti-ice windshield washer fluid rated for -40C available at any Canadian Tire store. Or basically any store in Canada. You can put some in a marked spray bottle for easy, custom uses. Been available for about 20 years now.

    2. Re: I want that! by dskoll · · Score: 1

      Right. Because removing 4mm of ice with windshield washer fluid is going to work really well. Not.

    3. Re:I want that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To apply on my car's windshield!

      The ice sticks really hard when it is -10C or more.

      You can get there partly. I get my car washed twice a month in the winter, and I get the premium wash that has the Rain-X stuff in it.

      Essentially the water beads off your windshield for the most part, and goes a long way to preventing that.

      It also has the added benefit of washing all of the salt of your car and applying stuff which keeps it from being in contact with your paint and causing rust.

      I can usually tell when it's time to wash because the water stops beading off my windshield quite as much, but I pretty much know I'm going to wash at the start and middle of the month anyway.

  15. "No need to reapply" by ortholattice · · Score: 1

    "Testing indicates it will last for more than 10 years, with no need to reapply"

    The bean counters aren't going to like that, so we'll probably never see this product. They'll come up with an "improved" version that will need to be reapplied frequently.

    1. Re:"No need to reapply" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unnecessary.

      10 years in a simulated model probably translates to every year when exposed to the real world.

  16. New Road Surface? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Ice won't adhere to it, it can't be removed by abrasion, I wonder if there are applications to coat roads with this to inhibit ice...

  17. Ice sheet collapse from microparticles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder what will happy when particles of this treatment make their way into the water cycle and eventually end up deposited on the world's ice sheets?

    1. Re:Ice sheet collapse from microparticles? by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

      I wonder what will happy [sic] when particles of this treatment make their way into the water cycle and eventually end up deposited on the world's ice sheets?

      Sounds like the inverse of ice-nine. No happy outcome.

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  18. Totally unneeded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Climate change will melt all ice

  19. Two breakthroughs, not just one by hackertourist · · Score: 2

    the findings suggest a way to take trial and error out of the search for new materials, in keeping with the movement of materials science toward a physics-driven approach. "You put in the properties you want, and the principle will tell you what material you need to synthesize," he said, noting that the concept can also be used to predict materials with superb antibacterial or other desirable properties.

    If this approach turns out to work for other material properties, we're in for a whole world of new materials.

  20. What was on the paper towel? by n2hightech · · Score: 2

    In the first demo no paper towel "dried" the sample before being covered with water drops. In the coated demo suspiciously the sample is "dried" prior to adding and freezing the water. Just exactly why did it need to be dried? In the real world no one will be going around "drying" a surface after it is scraped and filed or basicly abused. To me this is the classic conjuring trick of misdirection being used to reapply a fresh supply of some agent to inhibit the water from bonding to the sample. Because of that the demo is totally unconvincing and suspicious to me. Show a sample with one half side sprayed on a fixed exposure spot outside during a snow and or ice storm. Same for a lab sample treated and exposed. Do the same to both sides in a way that cannot introduce something unknown into the demo.

    1. Re: What was on the paper towel? by dskoll · · Score: 1

      The video did seem a little dubious.

  21. energy saving by kqc7011 · · Score: 2

    If (and its a big if) this becomes feasible then application to the cooling coils on refrigeration, freezer, air conditioning and dehumidification units will reduce the need for heating those coils to melt the ice that is formed. Look at the heating elements power consumption in your typical refrigerator to see how much energy is used to remove ice build up. Even being able to cut the units power usage by half would be a game changer in the HVAC and refrigeration industries.

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  22. ooh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, it's well too late for Titanic.

    1. Re:ooh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But not the Titanic 2!!!!!

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_II

  23. 10 Years after widespread use... by anvilmark · · Score: 1

    ...research will show it causes cancer.

  24. ICE REPELLING by cstacy · · Score: 1

    Already on Wikipedia!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  25. You hit wit stick ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fucking caveman. It's the 21st century. Get some fuel injection like the rest of the world, broke ass.

  26. zug zug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you drag your copilot out to the plane by thier hair too, ya goddamned caveman? Get fuel injection like the rest of civilization.

    1. Re:zug zug by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      If you had a single clue, you might hurt yourself with it.

      Fuel injection requires a complex, failure-prone system, that is not called for in a system that almost exclusive uses three power settings. Carbs are much lighter and simpler.

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