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Microsoft Will Spend $500M To Address Affordable Housing and Homelessness in the Seattle Region (geekwire.com)

Microsoft is dedicating $500 million to fund construction of affordable homes and homeless services in the Seattle region in an effort to alleviate a growing housing crisis driven by the city's tech boom. From a report: The Redmond, Wash.-based tech giant will commit $475 million for loans to affordable housing developers over three years and another $25 million to services for low-income and homeless residents. It's the largest philanthropic pledge in Microsoft's history. "This is a big problem," Microsoft President Brad Smith and Chief Financial Officer Amy Hood wrote in a blog post Wednesday. "And it's a problem that is continuing to get worse. It requires a multifaceted and sustained effort by the entire region to solve. At Microsoft, we're committed to doing our part to help kick-start new solutions to this crisis." Microsoft's announcement comes amid growing pressure on tech companies to mitigate the consequences of growth. Over the past decade, big tech companies have drawn thousands of newcomers to the Seattle tech region with lucrative tech jobs, bidding up housing costs and often squeezing out low-income neighbors.

158 comments

  1. Loans get repaid; how is this an expenditure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Title

    1. Re:Loans get repaid; how is this an expenditure? by Woeful+Countenance · · Score: 2

      I was wondering the same thing: when is a loan philanthropic?

    2. Re:Loans get repaid; how is this an expenditure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was wondering the same thing: when is a loan philanthropic?

      when you get big tax benefits, that's when

    3. Re:Loans get repaid; how is this an expenditure? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      it's an expense when you loan the money and then you put the amount owed as receivables onto your balance sheet and recognize the repayments as revenue

    4. Re:Loans get repaid; how is this an expenditure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Microcredit.

      This is the enterprise of making philanthropic loans. And it has proven to be one of the most effective tools ever devised for lifting people and communities out of poverty.

    5. Re:Loans get repaid; how is this an expenditure? by RyanRife8866 · · Score: 1

      I don't see anyone else handing out money.

  2. Shareholder interests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure I'd be thrilled about that if I were a shareholder.

    1. Re: Shareholder interests by backslashdot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not all shareholders have a goal of making maximal profit. Why is it assumed that the sole reason for owning shares in a company is to see financial returns. For example, I invest in Tesla not wanting much of it back but rather to see people get affordable electric cars and to dramatically reduce the 40,000 people killed in traffic accidents by enabling autonomous vehicles. Making a difference like that to me is more important than making money.

    2. Re: Shareholder interests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're crazy Sunshine. Work with me here, I'm beggin for a /s

    3. Re: Shareholder interests by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      Why is it assumed that the sole reason for owning shares in a company is to see financial returns. For example, I invest in Tesla not wanting much of it back but rather to see people get affordable electric cars and to dramatically reduce the 40,000 people killed in traffic accidents by enabling autonomous vehicles. Making a difference like that to me is more important than making money.

      Well, you don't see it because you are such a far outlier from the norm on this.

      99.9999999999% of people invest for the sole reason of making money. Period.

      Heck that is pretty much one of the cornerstones of why investing like this was invented.

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    4. Re: Shareholder interests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then just donate to Tesla, why buy Tesla shares from someone that is not Tesla?

      Oh wait, you are talking out of your ass and have no idea how things work. I get it now.

    5. Re: Shareholder interests by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      If you wanted to help get affordable cars on the road why are you investing in Tesla? They are making the LEAST affordable electric cars out of all the manufacturers. Just face it, you are a Musk fanboy.

    6. Re: Shareholder interests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you're buying shares on the primary market (from Tesla) you're not investing in them anyway. You're just loaning shares to those who are doing the biggest short on the market and helping them indirectly, just in case you have zero clue how things work.

    7. Re: Shareholder interests by backslashdot · · Score: 1

      It would be nice to make money, I said money wasnt the sole or even greatest reason. I do believe in capitalism you know. By your assertion, if Microsoft were to get into a highly profitable human trafficking business none of the shareholders would want to get out of it (assuming the profitability/legal ramifications were not in question).

    8. Re: Shareholder interests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^^ Shoot this faggot.

      Why the hate?

    9. Re: Shareholder interests by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting their prior business practices rule out that market?

    10. Re: Shareholder interests by ChatHuant · · Score: 2

      99.9999999999% of people invest for the sole reason of making money. Period.

      You really shouldn't make such categorical statements without having any clue about the subject in discussion. You're wrong by at least 19.9999999999%.

      From this study, published in 2017: more than 20% of the assets under professional investment management in the U.S. are in SRI (Socially Responsible Investing ) assets. People who put their money in those vehicles care both about making money, and about the ethics thereof.

  3. Loans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't get more philanthropic than a loan!

    1. Re: Loans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for this loan! :) =)

    2. Re: Loans by backslashdot · · Score: 1

      Sarcastic enough? Let me ask you this then, why do people beg for loans more than loan sharks beg you to take a loan?

      Obviously Microsoft is offering better loan terms or loans to higher risk people than a bank would provide. Is it charitable to take a chance on people, I think yes in many circumstances.

    3. Re: Loans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually if you broaden the definitions, payday loans, easy cash advances, and especially credit cards literally do beg millions of people to get loans. Where I live I have to run away from credit card signup people weekly because they are so pushy about it. Banking is mostly concerned with the odds of getting back the principle and interest which is why they will claw hand over fist to lend to qualified people but won't want to give a dime to those on skid row.

  4. Will Those Homes Update At Random Times? by dryriver · · Score: 4, Funny

    Like most Windows 10 installs=

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  5. Affordable housing for cheap workers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As they drive engineer salaries down, they have to do something. So now when they offer shit pay, they can point to the Microsoft Affordable Housing where the servants can live - I mean engineers and other workers.

    These last couple of decades has given me a taste of what it was like during the USA's Gilded Age in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

    1. Re:Affordable housing for cheap workers by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Here's a time machine. Want to go live back in that guilded age?

      Just medical advancement one makes 10 years ago a murderous place compared to today.

      But please, live in the fantasy rhetorical world of class warfare.

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    2. Re: Affordable housing for cheap workers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When poor and middle class incomes have dropped, and the wealthy have increased theirs due to using bribes err campaign contributions to enact policies conducive in doing so, that is the very definition of class warfare.

    3. Re:Affordable housing for cheap workers by dryeo · · Score: 2

      Yet the average lifespan of most Americans has gone down over the last ten years.

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    4. Re:Affordable housing for cheap workers by spitzak · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty certain the GP was implying he did *not* want to live in that age. Is a whoosh on order here?

  6. $475M is not $500M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how will these houses be sold? On the open market? Oh, that will keep them affordable. Just look at Victoria, B.C.

    Otherwise, people will still flock to places they view as being desirable to live in. There is no market answer here, especially from the tech industry who preached how people would be able to work anywhere from anywhere and yet they still build huge centralized gulag campuses. And no matter how wretched it gets paying $1k for a cot in a hallway and commuting 4 hrs a day local governments will still play the sunny movie because they're addicted to tax dollars. The political game demands fuel for the charade.

  7. Investment not charity. by Martin+S. · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is not a charitable donation, it is an investment, a loan for affordable housing. Smart investment considers intangible benefits from the obvious 'good publicity' from corporate responsibility to increasing their own value by increasing the value of the environs. It is not a bad thing, but let's see this for what it is, a smart business move.

    1. Re:Investment not charity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This will have 0 effect. 500M singular spend is a drop in the bucket for an ongoing problem. Seattle has a heroin problem disguised as a homelessness problem. Anything that doesn't address this directly, is wasted.

    2. Re:Investment not charity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seattle has a heroin, meth, under-employment, high-rent, mentally ill with nowhere to go because Reagan closed the mental hospitals problem, like all major cities now. It's everywhere. Idaho has the same shit, different swirl.

    3. Re:Investment not charity. by WolfgangVL · · Score: 2

      Heroin made the housing prices insane for 250 miles around Seattle? Try again.

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    4. Re:Investment not charity. by fermion · · Score: 5, Interesting
      MS and very rich people do not do charity. They do philanthropy. They invest thier money to create the world they want, or to promote their right to extreme wealth.

      Charity is when you give someone some money on the street or the Red Cross some money to deal with future disasters. Philanthropy is when you demand the guy on the street goes to homeless shelter or complain because the Red Cross does not spend money on the disaster you want

      The reason home prices are so high is that certain groups of people like to live together and they like to have high home values so undesirables don’t go there. To see these groups of people just check the demographics of Seattle, San Francisco, and houston, each with very high densities of very well paid engineers.

      Affordable housing can temper the tragedy of gentrification by providing resources to displaced people who can no longer afford to inhabit the area. More than likely it will just excaberate the problem by causing more to want to live there, encourage even higher prices to keep the undesirables out, and promote the myth that certain groups of people have the right to live wherever they wish, even if they. cannot afford it,

      it is like socialism for the entitled.

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    5. Re:Investment not charity. by cayenne8 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Why is it assumed that the sole reason for owning shares in a company is to see financial returns. For example, I invest in Tesla not wanting much of it back but rather to see people get affordable electric cars and to dramatically reduce the 40,000 people killed in traffic accidents by enabling autonomous vehicles. Making a difference like that to me is more important than making money.

      Well, if you quit giving out free needles, and looking the other way when heroin/meth addicts do drugs out in the streets, and build up sidelwalk shanties ....and generally quit making it an inviting environment to COME to and DO drugs and live that type of street lifestyle....you will quit making it a place that invites migration of that type of crowd, and your trouble with it will start to rescind.

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    6. Re:Investment not charity. by cayenne8 · · Score: 0
      Oops...wrong quote the first time.

      Seattle has a heroin, meth, under-employment,...

      Well, if you quit giving out free needles, and looking the other way when heroin/meth addicts do drugs out in the streets, and build up sidelwalk shanties ....and generally quit making it an inviting environment to COME to and DO drugs and live that type of street lifestyle....you will quit making it a place that invites migration of that type of crowd, and your trouble with it will start to rescind.

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    7. Re:Investment not charity. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Agree on the drug problem, but that is an extreme end of the spectrum.

      However loaning out $500MM in base-tier financing (the base 10% of a total project cost) does help get housing built. That is the money with nothing physical to back it up yet, and it is much higher risk. You can easily help get $5B in housing built every 3-4 years.

    8. Re:Investment not charity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell it to Gary Indiana where 11 people just died from bad heroin, you lying Trumptard faggot.

    9. Re:Investment not charity. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Tell it to Gary Indiana where 11 people just died from bad heroin

      Sounds to me like nature cleaning out the gene pool.

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    10. Re:Investment not charity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Reagan didn't close them. This was a trend in the late 60's that mental patients shouldn't be incarcerated against their will, ultimately codified in O’Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563 (1975), that said "There is...no constitutional basis for confining such persons involuntarily if they are dangerous to no one."

    11. Re:Investment not charity. by Alypius · · Score: 1

      Seattle has a zoning problem: these are the idiots that thought buying a bunch of tiny houses instead of building an apartment complex was a Good Idea.

    12. Re:Investment not charity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Smart' ... If 'stingy and self-serving' is smart.

    13. Re:Investment not charity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you're brutally murdered that's exactly what it will be.

    14. Re:Investment not charity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There is...no constitutional basis for confining such persons involuntarily if they are dangerous to no one."

      Tell that to the woman in San Fransisco who got the back of her head smashed in with a brick by someone who 'was dangerous to no one'. Ooops, you can't. Do you know why? Where's Waldo?!

    15. Re:Investment not charity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. I wasn't justifying it, just saying what the conventional wisdom was at the time.

    16. Re:Investment not charity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not a charitable donation, it is an investment, a loan for affordable housing. Smart investment considers intangible benefits from the obvious 'good publicity' from corporate responsibility to increasing their own value by increasing the value of the environs. It is not a bad thing, but let's see this for what it is, a smart business move.

      No. It's money laundering to support the welfare state.

    17. Re:Investment not charity. by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Yes we have the history of prohibition to prove you right.

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    18. Re:Investment not charity. by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Sounds like an example of pure capitalism killing people. Something was sold that was misrepresented as a fairly harmless substance and killed 11 people.
      And yes, pure heroin, sold for a reasonable price, is fairly harmless. it does have a habit of causing constipation though so maybe it should be illegal.

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    19. Re:Investment not charity. by guruevi · · Score: 1

      People like to blame Reagan for closing them, but the issue was that JFK opened and federally funded mental hospitals, as a result states and local community mental hospitals got bad rep (for what was then considered 'good' science) and the legislation threw up its hands and said: let the federal government deal with it.

      Then eventually, as with all things government, it was severely mismanaged and money ran dry much faster than anticipated and nobody wanted to continue funding a poorly run system throughout the 80's and 90's.

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    20. Re:Investment not charity. by Kjella · · Score: 2

      This is not a charitable donation, it is an investment, a loan for affordable housing. Smart investment considers intangible benefits from the obvious 'good publicity' from corporate responsibility to increasing their own value by increasing the value of the environs. It is not a bad thing, but let's see this for what it is, a smart business move.

      Cost of living is also a driving factor in Microsoft's wages. Their employees may be on better terms with the locals leading to happier workers and lower turnover. And it may get goodwill with the local officials who could otherwise try to tax them to fix the housing problem. The PR is nice, but there's probably quite selfish reasons for wanting to put a damper on the housing market.

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    21. Re:Investment not charity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oops...wrong quote the first time.

      Seattle has a heroin, meth, under-employment,...

      Well, if you quit giving out free needles, and looking the other way when heroin/meth addicts do drugs out in the streets, and build up sidelwalk shanties ....and generally quit making it an inviting environment to COME to and DO drugs and live that type of street lifestyle....you will quit making it a place that invites migration of that type of crowd, and your trouble with it will start to rescind.

      Agreed. The more handouts they give, the more homeless/drug addicts will arrive. Once the word gets out they show up in droves.

    22. Re:Investment not charity. by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      If you legalize all the drugs then government regulation will eliminate the "Bad Heroin", Walmart will eliminate organized crime (competition), and falling prices will eliminate all the drug crime (nobody robs banks to buy beer).

    23. Re:Investment not charity. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Yes we have the history of prohibition to prove you right.

      Not thinking prohibition...just saying to NOT make it an inviting place to come and do heroin and meth.

      Hell, I don't really think it is the govt's business what you put in your body, legalize it, but even if you did that, do NOT give out free needles, and overlook people living in your streets/sidewalks just laid out doing drugs.

      Arrest them for vagrancy, doing drugs out in public could enforce those laws, basically don't make the city an inviting place to attract that type of low life from across the country, and basically subsidize their lifestyle on your streets.

      If they don't like it, put them on a bus and kindly move them out of town and let them find another place.

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    24. Re:Investment not charity. by dryeo · · Score: 1

      it gets expensive dealing with the diseases that are encouraged by needle sharing. You are right that they shouldn't be doing drugs on the street with the quality of todays street drugs. Somewhere safer would be a good start. Ideally remove the stress of where their next drugs are coming from so they can get a job and be productive members of society.

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    25. Re:Investment not charity. by mentil · · Score: 1

      More than likely it will just excaberate the problem by causing more to want to live there, encourage even higher prices to keep the undesirables out, and promote the myth that certain groups of people have the right to live wherever they wish, even if they. cannot afford it,

      Issuing a loan for the creation of affordable housing perpetuates the myth that housing is affordable? Isn't that like saying that cheap food perpetuates the myth that starvation is avoidable?
      More likely is that the artificial suppression of the influx rate (due to inflated prices) is reduced, leading to more people who want to live there actually being able to.
      Remember kids: people getting what they want is BAD! /s

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    26. Re:Investment not charity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no they rob the liquor store if the only people they could buy it from where insane armed gangsters they might try robbing a bank instead.

    27. Re: Investment not charity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government heroine handouts, brilliant!

      So you want to subsidies their drug habits, (have my tax dollars pay for it??), and somehow this will make them a contributing member of society?

      Wtf underpants gnome logic is that?

    28. Re: Investment not charity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt that will happen, as a productive member of society, I own my own home, and I defend it gladly.

      I don't suggest trying to make good on your veiled threat, as it would be the last thing you'd ever fail at.

    29. Re: Investment not charity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're equating heroine to beer, I want you to think on that a bit.

      Let me partially mis-quote Bob Saget, "you ever suck dick for beer?"

    30. Re:Investment not charity. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      it gets expensive dealing with the diseases that are encouraged by needle sharing. You are right that they shouldn't be doing drugs on the street with the quality of todays street drugs. Somewhere safer would be a good start. Ideally remove the stress of where their next drugs are coming from so they can get a job and be productive members of society.

      fuck'em...let them deal with the repercussions of their own actions.

      That stuff usually ends up killing you, if that's the risk they take, then so be it.

      One less problem for the rest of us.

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    31. Re:Investment not charity. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Something was sold that was misrepresented as a fairly harmless substance and killed 11 people. And yes, pure heroin, sold for a reasonable price, is fairly harmless.

      You GOTTA be kidding me?

      Since when has heroin EVERY been a relatively harmless substance?

      Continued use almost always ends up with death of the user by overdose.

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    32. Re:Investment not charity. by dryeo · · Score: 1

      They've been experimenting here with giving some junkies heroin (in a clinic) with good results, as in people getting a job and taking responsibility for themselves. These people are self medicating their pain for a reason and to just write them off seems pretty heartless. Should we write off people who break a leg, what about with bad eyes and needing a crutch in the form of eyeglasses?

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    33. Re: Investment not charity. by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Heroin is really cheap. Much cheaper then running prisons and a police state to deal with illegal drugs as well as the crime created by artificial shortages raising the price and encouraging cutting the heroin with much stronger (deadlier) drugs.

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    34. Re:Investment not charity. by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Pure heroin is fairly harmless besides being addicting. Shit my aunt was given it when giving birth (last one in Canada). What's harmful is what it is cut with, along with the shortage of clean needles and what needs to be done to pay for it due to it being illegal.
      There's no reason that someone can't live a long life while using heroin regularly as long as they know the dosage to use, something hard to do with street drugs. Look at some of the Rolling Stones as examples of surviving a long time while being addicted but wealthy enough to support their habit.

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    35. Re:Investment not charity. by fermion · · Score: 1
      Not everyone gets to eat kale and rib eye steak. Some of us just have to live cabbage and beans.

      this was exactly my point. Certain groups believe that living in Seattle and eating artisanal farm to table porchetta benedict with sous vide ovos is a birth right. They can’t understand that eating a mug of oatmeal with raisins is not starving. They think if they have to have 7-11 coffee instead of Starbucks it is a police situation.

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    36. Re:Investment not charity. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      They've been experimenting here with giving some junkies heroin (in a clinic) with good results, as in people getting a job and taking responsibility for themselves. These people are self medicating their pain for a reason and to just write them off seems pretty heartless. Should we write off people who break a leg, what about with bad eyes and needing a crutch in the form of eyeglasses?

      The problem is...pretty much no one in history has chosen to voluntarily break their own leg, or cause their eyes to deteriorate ......unlike shooting to stick a needle of something in their arms, often having no true idea WTF it is..., you know?

      Look I believe in giving everyone a chance, I really do.

      Trouble is, many junkies don't even want to try that first chance at a change, they won't commit. There is something fundamentally wrong with them.

      I don't generally give up on anyone that is actively TRYING. But when you see they aren't really interested in bettering themselves...well, at some point you gotta say "fuck'em"....

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    37. Re:Investment not charity. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Look at some of the Rolling Stones as examples of surviving a long time while being addicted but wealthy enough to support their habit.

      Well, you're talking about Keith Richards.

      That man really should NOT still be alive....I do think he should donate his body to science so we can figure WTF in his genes allowed him to live this long.

      I will give it to you, that purity of heroin, likely does help, and did with Keith too, he had the $$.

      But Keith finally had a wake up call, and said, this isn't working and quit.

      He did it cold turkey, didn't whine about it, didn't go to a high dollar clinic to kick the habit, he just finally stopped.

      If someone isn't wanting to finally quit...well, they kinda deserve the results of their actions at some point, no?

      There are such things as lost cases....you have to accept that.

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  8. Have to fix the root cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Local governments control housing, and local governments are often full of people that refuse to build new housing.

    Low supply of housing pushes prices up.

    High housing price is a primary cause of homelessness.

    Microsoft must somehow convince a bunch of NIMBYs to build housing, which they probably cannot do.

    We do know, however, what does not work:

    Rent control.
    Government built housing.
    Rent subsidies.

    None of these properly to address the root cause of low housing supply. (Government built housing attempts to, but history has shown that this never leads to good outcomes. Ask minorities what they think of the projects.)

    You must build more housing. End of story.

    1. Re:Have to fix the root cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask minorities what they think of the projects.)

      The Great Society. Once in, you found there was no exit ramp.

    2. Re:Have to fix the root cause by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There are other "root causes". Let's just say "poor life choices" is one of them, because it incorporates quite a few variations.

      Around here, those without shelter primarily consist of people who have rejected shelter being offered to them, because there are too many "restrictions" attached... Like giving up drugs (including alcohol) while in the shelter. There are multiple unfilled, low-skill jobs available... but all of them require that you show up regularly for them, and many require drug testing.

      Counseling is available for those who need it... but many refuse it.

      These issues won't be dealt with by building more buildings.

    3. Re:Have to fix the root cause by Ichijo · · Score: 4, Informative

      If the city stopped transferring wealth from poor, dense neighborhoods to affluent, sprawling ones, I think you would see middle-class neighborhoods asking for more density and more retail so they can get their potholes fixed.

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    4. Re:Have to fix the root cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Housing projects are basically tax payer funded property value destroyers. It's like a blast wiping out the value of any residential building in the area. And in case anyone doesn't know why, it's because the residents flood the place with narcotics and undocumented firearms.

    5. Re:Have to fix the root cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Low supply of housing pushes prices up.
      Wrong. Greed pushes housing prices up.

      >High housing price is a primary cause of homelessness
      Wrong. 100% of homelessness is the result of irresponsible behavior.

      >We do know, however, what does not work:
      >Rent control.
      Wrong. Rent control keeps prices down. Once again, the problem is greed.

      >Government built housing
      >Ask minorities what they think of the projects.
      You mean the people who trash the building and then complain that the building is in bad condition? The people who continue to trash the building every time it is repaired and rebuilt? The same people who have demonstrated that they are not capable of living like civilized human beings?

    6. Re:Have to fix the root cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > it's poor's fault they're poor
      +1!

      Well, I don't really argue the point: more buildings probably won't help. Finding a use for the huddled masses would (yes, "easy jobs abound", how informed you are) but warm bodies just aren't useful anymore. Staffing agencies are a market built around that glut, they are literally paid to cherry-pick on an oversupply that has only survived while industry was dependent on them - reducing or eliminating dependency is Just Good Business, the socioeconomic stage isn't my problem.

      You could artificially keep busywork for warm bodies, but at some point you realize the charade is just "dig a hole and fill it back up, get handout" dressed up.

      Which could end up being the best option. That's how twisted things will eventually be.

    7. Re:Have to fix the root cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We can use them as fertiliser or as a nutritious dietary supplement.

    8. Re:Have to fix the root cause by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      and undocumented firearms.

      Was this a typo?

      In MOST states, you don't have to register (document) your firearms.

      Did you mean undocumented (illegal) immigrants?

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    9. Re:Have to fix the root cause by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I agree with your sentiments aren't you lumping all the homeless together?

      Does anyone know what percentage of the homeless _don't_ want help? (Or DO want help)

    10. Re:Have to fix the root cause by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      You make bald assertions about supply and demand situations that have over a century of contrary evidence to support them.

      Greed is why shelves are stocked with cheal food in free countries, but in short supply in countries that limit greed in the name of some bass ackwards concepts from millenia ago honed in non-free societies.

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    11. Re:Have to fix the root cause by WolfgangVL · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not JUST homelessness. That's a problem, and it's one of the worst in the country, but poor life choices do not drive the price of a 400 sq ft studio up past 1k/month.

      Building more housing most definitely WILL help the root issue, providing the rich don't just buy them all up and rent them back to us at todays cost.

      If the affluent want to enjoy living like royalty, then they need to ensure the servantry can afford the servants quarters.

      I've been trying to buy a home in the Seattle suburbs for 2 years. Every time I find something I want and get to making an offer, I am outbid by 100k, sight unseen, with no strings attached. These are not families bidding me out, its wealthy investors.

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    12. Re:Have to fix the root cause by mpercy · · Score: 1

      "Economists are virtually unanimous in concluding that rent controls are destructive. In a 1990 poll of 464 economists published in the May 1992 issue of the American Economic Review, 93 percent of U.S. respondents agreed, either completely or with provisos, that “a ceiling on rents reduces the quantity and quality of housing available.” Similarly, another study reported that more than 95 percent of the Canadian economists polled agreed with the statement.

      The agreement cuts across the usual political spectrum, ranging all the way from Nobel Prize winners Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek on the “right” to their fellow Nobel laureate Gunnar Myrdal, an important architect of the Swedish Labor Party’s welfare state, on the “left.” Myrdal stated, “Rent control has in certain Western countries constituted, maybe, the worst example of poor planning by governments lacking courage and vision.”

      His fellow Swedish economist (and socialist) Assar Lindbeck asserted, “In many cases rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city—except for bombing.”

      [https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/RentControl.html]

    13. Re:Have to fix the root cause by Alypius · · Score: 1

      Including Washington, despite their constant efforts to do so.

    14. Re:Have to fix the root cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Around where? I'm at the end of my rope and I need a new start

    15. Re:Have to fix the root cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This post is great in that it illustrates the very worst approach to solving homelessness. One that's been proven to fail over and over and over and over again, with almost a century worth of data to back up that notion.

      You must treat homelessness first, then drug addiction next. Having warmth, shelter, food, and security is essential to building a foundation to which one can then deal with addiction.

      If you're going to help people, help them. Put away your paternalistic moralizing. Tying benefits to purity tests is a recipe for failure.

    16. Re:Have to fix the root cause by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Including Washington, despite their constant efforts to do so.

      From what I've heard about the new draconian laws they've passed against 2A rights, mandatory registration of weapons is the least of the barriers they are putting up to hinder the law abiding citizens.

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    17. Re: Have to fix the root cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, we're trying to get "WalkAway" and "WillNotComply" trending, along with co-opting "Resist" just to watch their heads explode.

    18. Re:Have to fix the root cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "dig a hole and fill it back up, get handout" dressed up.

      The CCC was a hand out but it was responsible for a lot of tremendously beautiful and useful projects of lasting monetary and human value to the nation. Today the Unions would quash anything of the sort, as if you truly need a four year apprenticeship to know how to push a wheel barrow full of concrete or hang sheet rock.

      As people ignore more things except technology that's not built here (US) jobs will disappear except for mostly manual labor of some type. Like that wheel barrow.

      Look at Apple. In truth they're an American design studio. That's it. Fini. So much of their actual production, and money, lives permanently outside the US I feel they're really a foreign manufacturer, and their products should be heavily tariffed as imports upon entry to the US. IBM too, and HP, and Samsung, and LG, and SUN. Oh, wait. All of them unless they repatriate their money and begin to repatriate production. Or they can GTFO. And then the tariffs are turned up. And in any case, all the subsidies stop.

    19. Re:Have to fix the root cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not JUST homelessness. That's a problem, and it's one of the worst in the country, but poor life choices do not drive the price of a 400 sq ft studio up past 1k/month.

      "Moving to a place where the housing prices are insanely high" probably counts as a poor life choice.

      Building more housing most definitely WILL help the root issue, providing the rich don't just buy them all up and rent them back to us at todays cost.

      What else do you suppose they ought to do with all that "quantitatively eased" money they're swimming in, bereft of other good investments to park it? If snapping up all the real estate they can is the best-returning investment they can find, that's what they'll do.

      If the affluent want to enjoy living like royalty, then they need to ensure the servantry can afford the servants quarters.

      Traditionally the servants lived on premises, in the cellar or the attic. By that logic, the "big tech" royalty ought to build housing for their already overpaid servants on campus.

      I've been trying to buy a home in the Seattle suburbs for 2 years. Every time I find something I want and get to making an offer, I am outbid by 100k, sight unseen, with no strings attached. These are not families bidding me out, its wealthy investors.

      So why are you still trying to live there? You're in a pretty big country, just what is tying you to that hellhole? Seems to me removing those ties and going somewhere with a better income-to-mortgage ratio is the better long-term strategy.

    20. Re:Have to fix the root cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not a law abiding citizen, you're a dishonest faggot traitor of no value. You will be brutally murdered to cleanse the genepool New Orleans nazi trash faggot. You are worthless and your life is forfeit.

      Remember kids, always resort to name calling and violent threats.

    21. Re:Have to fix the root cause by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

      "Moving to a place where the housing prices are insanely high" probably counts as a poor life choice.

      I grew up here. Not that it matters, but having been all over the world, nothing in my opinion quite beats the greater Seattle metro.

      What else do you suppose they ought to do with all that "quantitatively eased" money they're swimming in, bereft of other good investments to park it? If snapping up all the real estate they can is the best-returning investment they can find, that's what they'll do.

      The rich can do whatever they want with their money,including continuing to buy up all the real estate, but if these homes are built with private grant money, public money, or any other kind of public help in the name of helping the housing crisis, then I feel at a minimum- the right of first refusal should go to single working families before they are offered to the land barons that already own every damn thing on the east-side.

      Traditionally the servants lived on premises, in the cellar or the attic. By that logic, the "big tech" royalty ought to build housing for their already overpaid servants on campus.

      Microsoft has its main campus in Redmond, and satellite campuses in each east side city named to receive these benefits. On the surface, it looks like quartering the servantry is exactly what is happening, and wiggling a tax break and some good PR is just icing.

      So why are you still trying to live there? You're in a pretty big country, just what is tying you to that hellhole? Seems to me removing those ties and going somewhere with a better income-to-mortgage ratio is the better long-term strategy.

      All of the same reasons that seem to be bringing people in from all over the country, AND the fact that I grew up here. Mild weather, great scenery, good jobs, excellent schools, very few deadly insects, decent public transport, excellent infrastructure, no natural disasters... That's just the top of a long list.

      Why we don't all just move to the Mohave desert? It's sure cheap there! Living is easy if you don't need climate, jobs, schools, infrastructure....

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  9. Rates by JBMcB · · Score: 5, Informative

    1. The interest rates on the loans are below market, to the point that they will probably just barely make their money back if the loans are paid, depending on inflation
    2. They are making loans to begin with - sometimes banks won't give out loans to develop low income housing as it's risky

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    1. Re:Rates by magarity · · Score: 1

      Only a greedy Jew considers money lending to be "philanthropic".

      Only religious nut cases willfully refuse to understand such a basic financial principle as the time value of money.

    2. Re:Rates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's interesting, since microcredit was invented by a Muslim.

      But of course, you are completely ignorant of the facts, as is typical among racists.

    3. Re:Rates by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

      If they were true to their faith they wouldn't care
      They would be helping the needy already out of their own pocket.

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    4. Re:Rates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are also likely taking a tax-advantage credit, reducing the tax paid, which could have been used to help the homeless

    5. Re:Rates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are making interest on it, you stupid fuck.

    6. Re:Rates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      islam isn't a race you stupid fuck.

    7. Re:Rates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Donald Trump is a Christian, nevermind all the facts or his attitude or how he doesn't even know the Apostle's Creed lol. He's just Russian Orthodox!

    8. Re:Rates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool story bro.

  10. And thus exasperating the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every time this has been done it only attracts more. Good intentions sure, but not solving the root of the problem.

    Actual fix: Increase public transportation costs steadily until they move to a city that matches their skill set and cost of living.

  11. It'd be better if they could contribute to Windows by johnck · · Score: 0

    They should spend that instead trying to make Windows 10 not suck so hard. They probably need this amount just to pay HR to fire all of the failures that are ruining Windows with UWP, S mode, and Cortana garbage.

  12. So that's like maybe 500 houses by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    We have about 250,000 people, and $500 million is about 500 houses here.

    Um.

    That's not a lot.

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    1. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What if they enable compression?

    2. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

      What if they enable compression?

      No, that would require resetting the zoning from 1990s SFH to 1930s 6 story MFH that used to exist in all areas of Seattle.

      Mind you, if you also turned off the parking requirement and the design review for standard buildings requirement, you could probably get 2500 houses for that price, but they'd be townhouses and apartment buildings like Boston and the Bronx and we all know those are hellholes.

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    3. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by godrik · · Score: 1

      $500 million is about 500 houses here.

      We are talking Seattle, Washington, right?
      If so, you are clearly wrong.
      Accordign to trulia ( https://www.trulia.com/real_es... ) There is only one district of Seattle proper where the median housing price is over 1M. Most of the south the the city seems to have a median around 400K.

      Now, they are talking about low-income housing, so certainly houses in the lower end of the curve. Also, they are talking about the Seattle region, not Seattle proper, which is likely to be cheaper. But even at 400K, you are talking about 1250 houses.

      According to seattle pi, Seattle see about 19000 application for low income housing(
      https://www.seattlepi.com/seat... ), so we are talking about dealing with 7% of the problem.

      I am no Microsoft chill, but this isn't negligible. That's not going to solve the whole problem, but that will make a difference.

    4. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      The price it will fetch is not the same as the cost to build. Just ask your housing insurance guy to explain it.

      If the discrepancy is more than a reasonable profit, there is a housing shortage. Half a million to buy a 2000 square foot house is asinine based on costs.

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    5. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

      Lol, you are so not from here. Even our townhouses go for around $800k, a long time ago there was only one district, but it's pretty much most of the city now.

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    6. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

      Seattle has been the nations fastest growing housing market for quite a while now. Instead of looking at old data, take a look at the current prices. A rotten shack far from the freeway on .25 acre starts at like 750k.

      400k buys you a fixer-upper home an hour outside of Seattle, in a bad neighborhood.

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    7. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

      We are talking Seattle, Washington, right?

      No, we are not.

      From TFA-

      In response to the housing shortage, Microsoft will direct $225 million toward middle-income housing in six cities: Bellevue, Kirkland, Redmond, Issaquah, Renton and Sammamish.

      Have a look at the housing prices in those areas. Nothing starting less than 1M.

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    8. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by godrik · · Score: 1

      You are right, I do not live in Seattle. I just looked at the map.
      Trulia's data is based on the last 3 month. Are they lying? Is the data inaccurate?

    9. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      They probably treat distant areas as if they are in Seattle. It's like calling Palo Alto as SF, or Isla Vista as Santa Barbara. Not even close to the same.

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    10. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by godrik · · Score: 1

      I see, it is some particular cities in the Seattle metro. Still, I just looked at the map, and the median is way below $1M in most of these areas. Much closer to $600K according to the map. And low-income housing almost by definition will have a cost under the median.

      Just checked on zilloz, Issaquah, 1+beds (but most entries are 2+), under $700K for a house, condo, town home, there are 3 pages of results, in Sammamish, there is a page, in Bellevue, there is about 3 pages.

      And the loans are to build which is cheaper typically.

      So my $400K mark was for the whole region rather than these particular cities in the metro, but still it is below $1M

    11. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

      Hmm I guess your right, You win this time Gadget.

      I've been house hunting for like 2 years in these places, but my search filters for only single family homes with yards. I think a 900 sq ft townhome for 400k+ is ridiculous, but I guess I'm just too choosy... or maybe a little bitter from being priced out of my home town.

      I think the MS money WILL be a help, regardless of the tax games they are for sure playing, but only as long as the new homes are sold as primary residences to single families, and not wealthy investors attempting to cash in on the housing crunch.

      The cities that are getting the moneys focus are all deep tech forest and VERY upscale. Microsofts main campus is in Redmond, and has satellites in each city named. Those cities also all share a border with at least another named. Microsoft is forced to pay their army of contractors more because its just to expensive to live anywhere near those places.

      Coincidence?

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    12. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      When looking to borrow to buy, check long term investment bonds, are the rates rising all falling, rising means rates are guaranteed to go up. So the problem is done to will people who do no understand property values, what drives it and future potential, all the look at is the colour of the paint and what payments they can afford to make at current interest rates and buy according to that, so real worth doesn't enter into it, just 'FEELINGS' and ignorance about interest rate changes.

      So property values are rising directly in line with interests rates, as those rates affect payments and those rates are low and hence prices are sky high. The rapid rise, lets be honest, idiot women with reasonable salaries, who buy based upon emotions, so prices have risen quite sharply because the question is not what is the property reasonably worth, not what future interests rates are, just the maximum payment that can be afford and idiot women thinking, they have won, when they buy a place, they are winners at the auction, they could spend more than anyone else on that property, they won, they won, they won, right up until interest rates go up and emotion faces reality, they lost by paying way too much.

      Interest rates are on the rise, it is inescapably and triple current rates over time, there will be a shit bucket ton of properties on the market, where silly women will lose their deposits as they sit on properties they no longer can afford to make payments on, as those property values drop, until they go into receivership or find a man to take over that debt. This when men are becoming refuseniks, no longer willing to financially sponsor the lives of women, true supporters of feminism, treating women just like other men, that men compete with. Going to lose everything sweety, well darn, let me know when the receivership auction is and I can cash in (there will be many auctions where the highest bidder is a foolish friend of the person in receivership, now having to pay agents fees for a failed auction because the highest bidder can not afford to buy the property they bid on, they were just trying to pump up the price, watch the faces of the people bidding).

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    13. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Looks like $300k in Seattle gets you a one bedroom condemned trap house https://www.zillow.com/homes/f...

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    14. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by mentil · · Score: 1

      Aah, the fabled 'middle-class-out' algorithm.

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    15. Re: So that's like maybe 500 houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit people are sure getting rooked! I thought maybe a somewhat unattractive house in a bad area, but DAMN!

      If people are paying that much for something barely above the level of a cardboard box, then the real estate market is packed to the brim with criminal activity, and it's time for a lot people in high places to get locked up.

    16. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      With a driveway that appears to belong to the house next door as your only access. And it sold in four days. Does Seattle have laws like CA, where as long as one wall is left standing, it’s technically a renovation rather than new construction, and the permitting process is a lot simpler?

    17. Re:So that's like maybe 500 houses by godrik · · Score: 1

      I've been house hunting for like 2 years in these places, but my search filters for only single family homes with yards. I think a 900 sq ft townhome for 400k+ is ridiculous, but I guess I'm just too choosy... or maybe a little bitter from being priced out of my home town.

      Yeah, I understand that. I have been house hunting in Charlotte, NC. It is a much cheaper place than Seattle. But I understand the feeling of not necessarily finding what you are looking for at a price that make sense. I ended up pulling the trigger because rent has been going up like crazy.

      The cities that are getting the moneys focus are all deep tech forest and VERY upscale. Microsofts main campus is in Redmond, and has satellites in each city named. Those cities also all share a border with at least another named. Microsoft is forced to pay their army of contractors more because its just to expensive to live anywhere near those places.

      Yeah, that's how it seems. I guess one could claim that they try to give back to their local community. But most like it is a tax optimization, coupled with trying to keep prices down a little to make their work force cheap, while making them appear that good guys.

  13. Re:It'd be better if they could contribute to Wind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hire indian programmers, get indian software.

  14. Housing Skyscrapers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is a lack of supply across the entire market.

    The solution is to add supply, and thus build a few skyscrapers that are not just for the poor, but also the middle class. The added supply will lower the prices in the area, having a better overall effect.

  15. Possible unintended consequences? by CyberSnyder · · Score: 1

    Will the availability of a low interest loan increase the amount that a lower income person can potentially afford, thus raising the selling price of the property and in turn raising the price of all other similar properties. So then you'll only be able to afford these properties if you can obtain the low interest Microsoft loan? Similar to when we give free rice to third world countries. Our intention is to prevent hunger, but the effect is that local farmers are pushed out of business because they can't compete with free and then they become more dependent on handouts. Or maybe the loans are just a tiny drop in the bucket and won't have a lot of impact on the market, just be the equivalent of hitting the lottery if you qualify.

    1. Re: Possible unintended consequences? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that is still wrong. The only way to deal with the poor, uneducated, drug users and criminals is to do what Europe did with them - put them on ships and ship them to a place where they are no longer causing you harm. Because they can't change. First it was to America, next it was to Australia. Problem is, we ran out of remote places separated by miles and miles of water in a normal climate zone. I still think we should take all people out of Australia and send all the world druggies, mentals and homeless there.
      As we are we have hugely overpopulated the planet, we don't need more people. And sending them off is a more acceptable solution for the masses instead of just utilizing them right in place.

  16. Pearl Jam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pearl Jam played two home shows last year and donated the $ to help homelessness in Seattle.

  17. Microsoft is the perfect company to solve this by tbuddy · · Score: 5, Funny

    They are experts if you need a place to crash.

    1. Re:Microsoft is the perfect company to solve this by BlackOverflow · · Score: 1

      LOL! You win the day!

  18. Do people not understand how housing prices work? by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If the housing prices in your area ranges from $x00,000 to $y,000,000, then there are z people who can afford to live in the area.
    • If you construct n new homes in the $x00,000 to $y,000,000 price range, then the number of homes those z people can afford increases. Supply exceeds demand, and the average price decreases. And now (z+n) people can afford afford to live in the area. The n who were added all bought in the below-$x00,000 price range. But the average price decrease is because all homes in the $x000,000 to $y,000,000 price range decrease in price. Basically, the n people bought homes which used to cost more than $x00,000, but dropped in price below $x00,000 so they could afford them.
    • If you construct n new homes but restrict them to people who can afford less-than-$x00,000 price range, then the number of people who can afford to live in the area is now (z+n). The n additional people bought the sub-$x00,000 homes like above. But the reservation of those homes for lower income people means less land is available for regular new home construction. Meaning the average price for $x00,000 to $y,000,000 homes increases. Exacerbating the very problem you're trying to solve (unaffordable housing).

    It's the same problem that's plaguing student loans. When you subsidize demand, the average price goes up. That's led to school tuitions spiraling up out of control. If you want to lower prices, you need to subsidize supply. Instead of building additional homes and giving them to people at below-market prices (which has the same effect on market prices as handing those people money), build additional homes and just flood the market with them.

  19. Mental illness is rife among the homeless by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and they use drugs and alcohol to cope. There's been several long term successes with halfway houses that allow drugs and alcohol while constantly offering mental health services, but teetotalers and religious zealots often want nothing of it.

    And besides, it's not hard to run a shelter for the occasional poor person kicked out of their apartment. The real challenge for a just society are those people who aren't just a bit down on their luck but who never had any luck to begin with. But it's just as easy to blame them for their illnesses. A hundred years ago I might have given you a pass on that, but it's 2019. Sure, we can't cure their illnesses, but we at least know it's not demons and we know the solution to their problems isn't to ignore them and hope they just go away and stop begging for change...

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    1. Re:Mental illness is rife among the homeless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's been several long term successes with halfway houses that allow drugs and alcohol while constantly offering mental health services, but teetotalers and religious zealots often want nothing of it.

      Look, dude, that halfway house cost a non-zero amount of money to build and maintain.
      Those mental health services cost a non-zero amount of money.

      Why should I work and pay my bills and support myself and my family but they don't?
      Why should I have to work only to give the money to them?
      Are you sending them a check? If not then you're a hypocrite. If so then is it worth it?
      They're not quitting the drugs. The "mental health services" aren't doing shit either.

      The actual solution for them? GO. GET. A. JOB.

  20. Corporate Welfare for Developers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So they're going to give cheap loans to corporate developers to build more ghetto housing that will be paid for with tax dollars.

    Developers make BILLIONS on the Section 8 formulas... As long as you build housing with cheap enough materials, it is extremely lucrative to rent out under Section 8 and become a slum lord.

    Meanwhile our low income population gets to live in substandard housing that falls apart at the seams with landlords that don't do squat about it.

    Thanks, Microsoft, for helping to perpetuate the oppression of the working class.

  21. If Microsoft paid their fair share of taxes... by Murrdox · · Score: 0

    Then "philanthropic" loans like this to the state of Washington would be less necessary. I think it's hilarious when corporations work out complicated schemes to avoid 90% of the taxes they should be owed, and then they come up with some idea to make charitable contributions which still only add up to a small fraction of the taxes they should be paying. Then they hold up these charitable contributions to make themselves look like heroes.

    1. Re:If Microsoft paid their fair share of taxes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear hear.
      https://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/15/1957205/Microsoft-To-Get-100M-Annual-Tax-Cut-and-Amnesty

    2. Re:If Microsoft paid their fair share of taxes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Riiiight... Because paying more taxes will fix the problems SO much better than Microsoft paying out money directly to enact the solution.

      Do you work for the government?

  22. Zoning by Amigori · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How often have you seen projects of this type come along, then the nearby residents, wealthy or otherwise, decry the proposal? They head to the city council meeting and petition to have the property rezoned to single-building, single-family. "NIMBY! My House's Value! Increase in neighborhood crime!"

    Developers over the past 15-20y have expressed little interest in building "affordable" housing. The profit margins are just that much higher for McMansions in new or wealthy neighborhoods.

    Short of the government (not MSFT) contracting specific affordable housing projects (that will come in over-budget and under-quality), the status quo will remain.

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    1. Re:Zoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When there is a lack of housing, all housing becomes high cost housing.

      Disallowing the development of high cost housing just means that rich people buy up low cost housing and renovate it.

      Why do you think shitty old tiny Victorians in SF go for millions of dollars? If two prospective home buyers are after the same property, the one with the most money is going to get it.

      Let the developers build their condos or whatever the Bernie bros say is going to end the world. It will give housing to those people that are most able to push up the prices elsewhere.

    2. Re:Zoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Affordable housing is anything but affordable. Many animals inhabit such dwellings and will destroy them repeatably.

  23. Microsoft's just expanding their company town. by mckwant · · Score: 1

    Even should it work as you describe, aren't the original buyers going to take the best offer? Which, in turn, is unlikely to be from a person who can afford less-than-$x00,000. Also, the tax bills on those houses will rise with the market, not income, and certainly not low-income income.

    Assuming they finance it with cash, they're carrying nearly $12B (https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/msft/financials?query=balance-sheet). Plus, I'd lay odds it's a tax writeoff. Seems a prudent investment, assuming your future employees want to buy homes at some point.

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  24. Not impressed by yusing · · Score: 2

    Let's scale this down to everyday life.

    A man with $130 in his pocket and $300 shoes walks past a woman holding a sign that reads "Homeless ... please help". He reaches into his pocket, puts 2 quarters into her plastic cup, then says "I'll back this way in 3 days, you can pay me back then."

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    (It was recently reported that MS has over $130B in cash.)

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    1. Re:Not impressed by mentil · · Score: 1

      The headline tells the tale. They get the good PR for 'spending' an apparently large sum, while de facto losing almost nothing, probably less than if they didn't do it.

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  25. We don't need LOANS; we need HOUSES by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    The problem isn't simply that houses cost too much, it's that there's not enough property available for sale. Simply giving out loans to help people buy property doesn't fix the underlying problem that there are not enough HOMES for sale.

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    1. Re:We don't need LOANS; we need HOUSES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What people need to understand, there never will be again. These desirable areas are saturated and it's going to get worse. Grab a spot and fight for it, that's the new paradigm. It's neo Feudalism for landless serfs.

      I say that as a renter, we're all screwed. If you don't already own property, if you aren't already rich, you probably never will and if you try to over-borrow to achieve that, you will probably lose it all in the end anyway.

      This country is fat old rich idiots controlling a nation of increasingly desperate and marginalized workers. Something is about to change one way or another.

    2. Re:We don't need LOANS; we need HOUSES by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Only so much land exists ins any large city that is within normal distances to work, shopping, education, entertainment, transport, health care, outdoor and indoor recreation.
      Once wealthy people buy it all nothing is going to be low cost.
      No wealthy investor wants their property drop in price when the city gov/NGO/computer company places 100's of homeless people in their once nice part of a city.
      Crime/trash/open drug use/criminal/illegal migrants start to give the value of that real estate a negative reputation.
      Housing value drops, needed rental income drops.
      Who wants to risk crime, trash and waste in the once nice streets just to virtue signal?
      Laws dont get enforced by police and the city and more trash and crime moves into that part of the city.
      Who wants to take on the risk of building a new building and then having to tell buyers that 20%-30% of the building is set aside by the city for random homeless people?
      Money then moves to ares of a city that don't place such demands on property construction.
      To states in the USA that dont have such tax demands, political NGO's and homeless problems.

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    3. Re:We don't need LOANS; we need HOUSES by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      According to the article, the loans were being made to people who build houses for others to buy.

    4. Re:We don't need LOANS; we need HOUSES by RyanRife8866 · · Score: 1

      In the Seattle area there are plenty of homes available, except most non-tech employees cannot afford them.

  26. Companies care about the neighborhood too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My (large Fortune 500) company also puts a lot of money into its community. If your community isn't a desirable place to live, then you'll have trouble attracting talent. In particular, my company is focused on giving to arts and education. I guess the thinking is that if there's entertainment and solid schools it'll make the place desirable for families.

  27. PR stunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just a PR stunt and it worked spectacularly. The local paper (and therefore the news services) didn't mention LOAN at all.

  28. They are buying grown trees to plant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so that Gates can't see the homeless encampments from his mansion. Mission accomplished.

  29. Re:It'd be better if they could contribute to Wind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, no, that's just money down a rat-hole.

    They gave up on Edge to the superior, open source Chromium. In time, they'll finally have to give up on Windows to the superior, open source Linux.

  30. Microsoft by Wizardess · · Score: 1

    Microsoft must LOVE homelessness a whole lot to spend so much money on it. The law of perverse consequences suggests this expenditure will vastly increase the homeless problem in Washington. If you are willing to pay for something free markets will cough up somebody, or many people, willing to accept what you will pay.
    {o.o}

  31. Band-aid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While this is a nice gesture, Microsoft's $500M is merely a band-aid to a larger problem. As long as there is greater and greater income inequality, the "free" markets will dictate that housing prices will increase so long as there is demand at the top. Lower-income, mainly service, workers will continue to be screwed.

    The real fix would come from progressive income and corporate taxation, much higher minimum wage, and much more regulation on companies of all sizes in how they treat their workers (benefits, wages, part-time work, executive greed, etc.).

  32. Re:Do people not understand how housing prices wor by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Your theory assumes that there is zero population growth. If jobs are attracting people to the area, or the population is growing for other reasons, then that offsets the increased supply.

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  33. Canada banned foreign investors by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    from buying houses for just this reason. Not sure how well it'll work (I could see them using shill companies) but it's a good first step.

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  34. Re:Do people not understand how housing prices wor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reaganomics was a proven disaster and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for pushing so-called "supply side economics" like he did. All supply-side economics does is make the suppliers wealthy, because subsidizing supply does not increase supply, nor does it decrease price. All it does is increase the profitability of the corporation receiving the subsidy, and subsequently, their shareholders.

    We learned just this morning that 1% of people own 50% of all stock, and therefore those 1% of people also suck down 50% of all profits made. The rich get richer, and the poor get hungrier.

    Reagan was the architect of the downfall of the entire middle class.

  35. History Repeats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A new housing project disguised in modern design