Intel Core i9-9990XE: Up To 5.0 GHz, Auction Only (anandtech.com)

Ian Cutress, reporting for AnandTech: AnandTech has seen documents and supporting information from multiple sources that show that Intel is planning to release a new high-end desktop processor, the Core i9-9990XE. These documents show that the processors will not be sold at retail; rather they will only be sold to system integrators, and then only through a closed online auction. This new processor will be the highest numbered processor in Intel's high-end desktop line. The current top processor is the i9-9980XE, an 18 core part with a base frequency of 3.5 GHz and a turbo frequency of 4.0 GHz. The i9-9990XE, on the other hand, is not simply the 9980XE with an increase in frequency. The Core i9-9990XE will be a 14 core processor, but with a base frequency of 4.0 GHz and a turbo frequency of 5.0 GHz. This makes it a super-binned 9940X.

Comments

Every Intel purchase feels like an auction

[Anonymous Coward]

at least with the gouging prices they've been going for in the last 10 or so years. Fuck you, Intel.

Re: Every Intel purchase feels like an auction

[Anonymous Coward]

What is that smell? Did the frog learn to turn on its own burner?

Cool

[Anonymous Coward]

Now someone can use a PC running Java to heat the house for the winter.

Re:Cool

[Anonymous Coward]

My thermostat is running linux already. Not sure if nest uses java though.

Intel 5GHz

[Anonymous Coward]

LOL.
Emergency Edition.

~o~ Intel Core i9-9990XE L@@K RARE!!! ~o~

[Anonymous Coward]

nt

Finally!

[fattmatt]

Now I can play Crysis.

Re:Finally!

[Anonymous Coward]

until windows 10 starts updating, anyway.

Re:Finally!

[Anonymous Coward]

O&O Shut Up

if you take it personally, you've missed the point. :)

Re: Finally!

[Anonymous Coward]

Ah well. He takes everything personally. He thinks they mad the Halloween haunted house just for him. Must be the creepy glow around everything. Anyway, it is well documented that Intel makes you show up and pay the highest price for things. I suppose one should not be surprised if they are at it again

Better have a heavy water cooling loop

[Anonymous Coward]

Otherwise you'll have Chernobyl in your bedroom.

Re:Better have a heavy water cooling loop

[Anonymous Coward]

D2O or T2O?

Re:Better have a heavy water cooling loop

[thegarbz]

Why? 255W TDP is nothing exciting. You can handle that easily with a large air cooler or a standard 240mm AIO. I have a 360mm radiator in my system happily handling the 430W TDP of my combined CPU + GPU with ease. I've only managed an 11C temperature rise in the water under synthetic stressing of the GPU or CPU, not even individual benchmarks were able to get the temperature to rise that much.

Desperate for cash, Intel?

[Anonymous Coward]

This is getting ridiculous

Re: Desperate for cash, Intel?

[Anonymous Coward]

Unlikely. It is more likely they have some expensive highly visible assets that they might have to sell, which would make them look bad.

Re: Desperate for cash, Intel?

[Anonymous Coward]

Like a huge aquarium or something less useless?

Re:Novelty

[Bobrick]

That's pretty much it. If I want a lot of power, instead of showing off the money I don't have, AMD would get my choice from now on.

Followed by the 9999XE++++

[Anonymous Coward]

Which only works under liquid nitrogen.

Re:Followed by the 9999XE++++

[Dunbal]

Liquid helium, baby, liquid helium... On the bright side you can share the cooling system with an MRI.

Re:Followed by the 9999XE++++

[Anonymous Coward]

Does it come with a free Cirno?

Ryzen still faster

[Anonymous Coward]

AMD is selling a $150 chip that's way faster than this.

captcha: bright

Re:Ryzen still faster

[Anonymous Coward]

I love my 2700X, but for most workloads, I bet this overpriced beast will murder everything Team Red has short of a ThreadRipper.

Re:Ryzen still faster

[Anonymous Coward]

AMD is selling a $150 chip that's way faster than this.

captcha: bright

Captcha: Desperation..

Why not go with a Xeon?

[ctilsie242]

This type of CPU seems like something that is more sizzle than steak. If it is so expensive and exclusive, what makes it better than say, a Xeon Platinum or even a Xeon D?

There is so much overlap that one might as well jump to a Xeon if an i7 just isn't up to the task anyway, unless this is a laptop or mobile machine.

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[DigiShaman]

Because we can't have high-end desktops using ECC, otherwise it's now a server. Intel segments that market intentionally!

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[EvilSS]

You mean besides the 2x+ price premium and slower per-core clock speeds for the Xeons?

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[Anonymous Coward]

They've made Xeon for laptops for years too. Some call these "mobile workstations" but they're in effect gaming laptops with a more rectangular black design instead of "warriorz" aesthetics, and a less powerful GPU branded as "Quadro".

Where you might really want a Xeon on a high end desktop is if you'd want registered memory e.g. have 256 GB on your desktop. You'd probably be able to run three browsers at once with that much RAM! Or even shit like Discord and Slack if you watch your mem usage carefully. This'll be useful when memory prices finally crash.

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[Greyfox]

Xeons tend to be more cores and slower, although the I9 is kind of blurring those distinctions. When I was shopping around for my gaming rig, I think the most cores I could find in an I7 were 6. You can get more cores on a xeon, but at a lower clock speed. As the clock speed and cores go up, the price also does, on what appears to be an exponential curve. So when I was speccing out my video processing machine at work, I ended up going with a dual-10-core-processor model with a clock speed kind of in the middle of the road. I think the per-processor price on those was neighborhood of 2 grand each, and the next step up was close to 5.

I'm currently considering replacing my desktop at home again, and I'm leaning toward getting a threadripper this time. The top end Intel is marginally faster (~10-15%) but the thread ripper is significantly less expensive. I do a lot of multi-threaded programming, so the idea of having a ton of cores to play with is enticing.

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[ctilsie242]

I prefer more cores as well, just because more tasks can run unimpeded. Especially with desktop virtualization, so the web browser VM can run without affecting anything else on the system.

AMD is looking quite attractive these days for the desktop. More cores, less cash.

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[lgw]

Intel prices this stuff carefully. You do hit a point where it's cheaper to build a 2-socket server system for the needed performance. I did all the math very carefully before ending up with a 28-core 2-socket Xeon system for video transcoding.

I rather suspect that if this CPU were priced normally, it would mess up the very careful price curve for Xeon, and end up cheaper for some loads that force you to Xeon today. Can't have that.

BTW, the lower per-core clock is all about thermal management, which is fine really if you're not planning to overclock your >$1000 CPUs. (I liked the fact that with heat sinks designed for the OC market, I could build a dead silent system even under full load).

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[bill_mcgonigle]

Normal humans don't want their massive filesystems to be corruption-free. :rolleyes:

Thanks, AMD, btw. BIOS vendors, get your shit together.

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[thegarbz]

Normal humans don't want their massive filesystems to be corruption-free. :rolleyes:

Normal humans practically never experience corruption on their filesystem. If you want to get people to care about something they first need to be affected by it.

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[thegarbz]

You do hit a point where it's cheaper to build a 2-socket server system for the needed performance

What needed performance? Show us a Xeon with the single core performance of this chip.

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[lgw]

Tools for jobs. Single core (and not GPU-bound) is a very narrow problem space these days.

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[Mister Transistor]

How do you know? That last "everything went batshit" reboot might have been caused by DRAM corruption. It might have been caused by buggy software, or even cosmic rays. Who knows how many "mystery" crashes might have been averted by use of ECC memory and bus structure. No one knows, that's part of the problem, n00b end-lusers are blamed, system gets re-imaged, and all is right with the world for another quarter. Rinse and repeat.

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[thegarbz]

What is a $2000+ processor if not a tool for a very frigging specific job?

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[thegarbz]

That last "everything went batshit" reboot might have been caused by DRAM corruption.

Interestingly not only did you just move the goalposts you made them as wide as the entire frigging field. I never said DRAM doesn't get corrupted, I said "filesystem". Your memory is chock full of data so in the incredibly remote chance that you actually suffer from an error that ECC detects you have an additionally incredibly remote chance that you happen to corrupt data in flight on the way to being written on the disk. The vast majority of these already incredibly rare events will as you say cause a "batshit reboot" or a crash, something of incredibly little significance to an average desktop user.

Fortunately we can check how much value we get out of our ECC:
#ipmitool sel list
1 | 01/23/2013 | 22:43:13 | Processor | FRB2/Hang in POST failure | Asserted
2 | 08/18/2015 | 10:43:12 | Fan #0x0f | Lower Non-critical going low | Asserted
3 | 08/19/2015 | 14:18:44 | Fan #0x0f | Lower Non-critical going low | Deasserted
4 | 10/08/2018 | 09:21:35 | Fan #0x11 | Lower Non-critical going low | Asserted
5 | 10/08/2018 | 09:22:44 | Fan #0x11 | Lower Non-critical going low | Deasserted

Hmmm there's a distinct lack of memory correction events in my IPMI log on this server since it's continuous operation in 2013. What a waste of money and performance that was.

Now speaking of AMD, their Zen platform is highly sensitive to RAM timings for performance. Care to point me to a 3400MHz ECC RAM module? Or am I thanking AMD for tanking the performance of my workstation?

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[lgw]

Status symbol. Nothing else, really.

Well, I guess that is a job, now that I think about it.

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[thegarbz]

Well played :)

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[Mister Transistor]

Geez. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!

No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition!

Our Chief Weapons are Surprise, Fear, Etc., Etc. ...

No goalpost movement here, bud. Relax!

Seriously, user "DigiShaman" started talking about ECC.

Then, user "bill_mcgonigle" conflated lack of ECC memory with filesystem corruption. I thought that's where we were at. I just went with it.

Interesting anecdote about your experience with ECC memory, though. No doubt, ECC there to handle the one-in-a-billion case of a more than n-correctable critical bit flip(s), and is likely a major boondoggle - I would tend to agree with you.

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[thegarbz]

No goalpost movement here, bud. Relax!

Sure there was. You came in and wanted to play a different sport than others were playing. I was replying about file system corruption and specifically talking about file system corruption and you went and changed the scenario to one which not only has many orders of magnitude different likelihood but also orders of magnitude different consequences.

But back on point, even DigiSharman's original assertion contradicts itself. If you want "high-performance" then you don't want ECC RAM. The entire topic of ECC is incredibly intricate, far more so than a "Thanks AMD I'm being screwed by Intel" summary.

Re:Why not go with a Xeon?

[Anonymous Coward]

Four days ago after properly shutting down to move a server with Windows 2016 to another office, when we turned it on the OS couldn't start normally, we needed to reinstall the system, the information was there but the OS and all the configuration had to be reapplied.

Support was.... less than ideal but now we got an excuse to ask another server as backup.

Re: Why not go with a Xeon?

[Anonymous Coward]

As an uninvolved AC, I think you ate thr prickly one.

How does a well functioning file system get corrupt? Obviously if a meteor hits the hard drive you will have data recovery problems. So forget the misbehavior of the storage subsystem.

Most files get corrupt when being written, duh, and that means that it is the copy in memory that went bad. If I copy from /home to /mnt/backups, I am risking a bit flip on the read and on the write, at a minimum.

A one in a billion risk happens every 63 megabytes. My Steam folder is 5GB. I can download my Steam games, but what about my 45MB tax file(wtf is up with that, tax prep guys), kid's videos, or single download only purchases?

Re: Why not go with a Xeon?

[Anonymous Coward]

If you are not single thread bottlenecked, there is no reason to stick with intel on a price performance basis.

And even then it is pretty much a stretch to find things where an Intel chip is faster unless you are running stuff that is optimized for intel but not Amd.

Errrr SIs only?

[thegarbz]

This is quite the curious move from Intel. Sure SIs have budget to buy in bulk and to auction, but the super enthusiasts who would be the likely target market for this chip aren't usually the type to go out to an SI and say "I want something off the shelf, please build for me".

Re:Errrr SIs only?

[DigiShaman]

I agree. If anything, depending on total count, could be a collectors item that would serve no purpose than to make for a nice paper weight in some personal collection.

Re:Errrr SIs only?

[EvilSS]

I did. My 7980xe system (7980xe, 64GB RAM, 1TB nvme, 2x1080ti) came from Alienware. Of course this was mainly because I saved over $2,000 thanks to cryptomining screwing up GPU prices, but still, it does happen. And plenty of people buy high end systems from SI's like iBuyPower, Cyberpower, Maingear, etc.

Re:Errrr SIs only?

[thegarbz]

but still, it does happen

Of course it happens, the question is does it happen in a big enough market. I'm willing to bet the majority of 7980xes were not bought by SIs. But you even said it yourself there were mitigating factors that pushed you towards that decision. In the normal case it's not cost effective to go to an SI vs building yourself and typically the type of people who are into these kinds of specs are more than capable of plugging a few things together.

Re:Errrr SIs only?

[bill_mcgonigle]

Isn't that pretty much the Alienware market? Some dope will pay double for this tiny performance boost.

Re:Errrr SIs only?

[Anonymous Coward]

I worked at Gecco Computers in the early 90's and intel bankrupted us by pulling similar crap with the 486DX2. In order to survive back then and compete against Compaq and Dell you had to have your marketing material submitted to the big magazines 2 weeks in advance. Marketing was almost $1 million per month to place full page ads in the big magazines. And for the holiday push all operating capital was spent on advertising. Our vendors had told us to expect one price as was normal when a new processor came out, but never knew that intel was going to sell these same chips to the big guys for 1/2 the price.

I worked in production and 1000s of orders would normally pile up after a campaign, and especially after a huge pre Christmas marketing blitz. I came in to work, and it was surreal. Not a single order was waiting to be built.
Looking at the ads in the magazines it was obvious why. Every computer we advertised was significantly more expensive than the bigger guys, comically so.

A few days later management called us in for a meeting and let 90% of us go including me.

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame intel completely for this, management should have had a better marketing strategy but it was still a shitty thing for them to do.

Re:Errrr SIs only?

[thegarbz]

Isn't that pretty much the Alienware market? Some dope will pay double for this tiny performance boost.

Not really. The Alienware market is wide and varied and the "best of the best" make up a very very small portion of their sales. Yeah they do move some units, but compared to enthusiasts who don't want to pay double on an already insanely expensive piece of kit... you said it yourself.

Re:Errrr SIs only?

[Anonymous Coward]

It's a pre-overclocked 9940x. Nobody is going to buy this chip since its still underperformant to the 9980xe, given that there's a decent OC on that chip. There's no reason to buy an x299 platform if you're not planning to do some pretty over the top overclocks so this is a SKU for lightweights.

Still no I/O

[Anonymous Coward]

But it still cannot do I/O as it has no PCIe lanes. And it can only run at 5.0 GHz for one CPU cycle on a single core per month.

Re:Novelty

[willaien]

I mean, Intel still leads in single-threaded performance.

If I have a workload that can be multi-threaded and take advantage of all the cores, though, AMD all the way, especially for the price you're going to pay. Even for mixed workloads that involve some single-threaded and some multi-threaded, it's probably worth considering AMD from a price perspective.

So, does it come with the industrial chiller?

[Anonymous Coward]

Obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozcEel1rNKM

amd has more pcie and 4.0 this year

[Anonymous Coward]

Intel needs more lanes

Binned Over-Clocked Processor - Meh

[BrendaEM]

I guess that when you make a lot of processors, one of them has to be overclock-able. With a 255-watt power draw, you know it's overvolted and overclocked.

Re:Binned Over-Clocked Processor - Meh

[thegarbz]

With a 255-watt power draw, you know it's overvolted and overclocked.

Overvolted and overclocked imply you're pushing something beyond it's vendor spec. This is the vendor spec so by definition not "overclocked". In case you don't know basically every processor on the market is binned so by your standard every processor on the market except for the slowest model in every line is "overclocked".

Re:Binned Over-Clocked Processor - Meh

[Anonymous Coward]

Sometimes this causes issues. The i9 9900K CPU (eight cores/16 threads) draws excessive power such that you don't really want it without some heavy duty motherboard and cooling.
Another example is the original launch of the Radeon RX 480, with excessive power draw on PCIe (could be lethal to the motherboard!) obviously due to clocking/setting voltage higher, right before launch, they had to fix that by drawing more power from the power connector and less from the PCIe slot. (firmware update, reworked boards). A bit noisy too.
RX 590 is a newer version of same, minor die shrink. It works but they clocked it high again. So it's faster, but doesn't give better performance per watt at default settings. This example doesn't really count, but shows that power use on a supposedly mid range card is fairly ridiculous.

Nein!

[MaSeKind]

That sure is a lot of 9s. Looking at the CPU lists though, they haven't really used 9 very much in their model names. Is 2019 the year of the Number Justice Warriors?

Re:Nein!

[Anonymous Coward]

If you turn the chip upside down, it becomes 0666 and opens a portal to an underworld.

(Also, all the electrons fall out.)

The same thing happens if you take this chip to Australia.

Re: Novelty

[Anonymous Coward]

>flaccid most of the time

If you are hard all or most of the time then you need to see a doctor.

Would I even notice the CPU speedup if I upgraded?

[Anonymous Coward]

Like many people, I want my PC to keep up with the newest games, but none of these are CPU constrained. With dual graphics cards, even a cheapish CPU will not degrade performance. If people do a lot of rendering video or working in Photoshop, they can use Ouadro or FirePro rendering accelerators, and even a $170 cpu will not be the limiting factor.

I think it's time for tech journalists to do the equivalent of a "taste test" to see if even power users can really tell whether they're running one of these superchips or a downmarket CPU like a threadripper, or even an old ivy bridge E5-1660v2 from 2012. It would be hilarious if these systems were configured in identical cases that have reversed labels, just to watch these "computer pro's" talk about how they're sensitive enough to notice the "slightly improved response" in the system that they believe has the new chip, but doesn't actually.

Re:Novelty

[Targon]

AMD 7nm chips should change that where AMD will also win single threaded as well as multi-threaded workloads. The IPC improvements from the Zen2 cores, combined with the 7nm fab process which will allow for higher clock speeds/lower power draw definitely have the potential to do this. Right now though, we need to wait another 5-6 months to find out if that will be true, but it is very possible. The unconfirmed leaked lineup of Ryzen 3000 series processors has 12 and 16 core parts, including boost that will go to 5GHz. Based on first and second generation Ryzen processors, if boost is listed at a given speed, then with decent cooling, that is what can be gotten on all cores with good cooling(typical 280mm closed loop AIO being enough).

D E S P E R A T I O N

[Anonymous Coward]

That's all. Intel's completely cooked. All that money, all that cheating in benchmarks, all the leaning on the press. All for nothing. Sweet.

Re:D E S P E R A T I O N

[Anonymous Coward]

Intel isn't cooked. Intel survived the iAPX-432, the i860 and the Pentium 4. But holy crap are their products terrible buys at the moment. The only people I know buying Intel at this point for gaming desktops are either fanboys or clueless.

If you are a techie, recommending Intel to family/friends is like telling them to just burn their money. There are a couple of small cases where Intel still makes sense but for the vast majority of people the Intel ecosystem for desktops/gaming is nuts.

Save the money and buy a higher end GPU and better storage. Plus you can upgrade your AM4 system.

Re:D E S P E R A T I O N

[spire3661]

"The only people I know buying Intel at this point for gaming desktops are either fanboys or clueless."

Or they do things that require the fastest single thread perf you can get like VR and Flight sim, or VR+FlightSim.

Re:D E S P E R A T I O N

[Anonymous Coward]

I know, I was there too. But they have never been reduced to cheesy industrial water cooler overclocking demos or bloody auction stunts to even remotely try to seem relevant before. This is a new low, and it's painfully obvious that their have nothing. Nada.

This is Intel being crushed so badly they are humiliating themselves.

Re:D E S P E R A T I O N

[Anonymous Coward]

Intel isn't cooked. Intel survived the iAPX-432, the i860 and the Pentium 4. But holy crap are their products terrible buys at the moment. The only people I know buying Intel at this point for gaming desktops are either fanboys or clueless.

You forgot the Itanium, whose only success was to kill HPPA.

Re:D E S P E R A T I O N

[Anonymous Coward]

VR is GPU limited, not CPU limited. If the flight sim isn't scaling with the cores, it's a software issue, not a hardware issue.

Re: D E S P E R A T I O N

[Anonymous Coward]

This.

Re:D E S P E R A T I O N

[Anonymous Coward]

VR is GPU limited, not CPU limited. If the flight sim isn't scaling with the cores, it's a software issue, not a hardware issue.

That is all completely true. But the reality is those software issues exist in spades both in the consumer and enterprise space. We just had to swap out a server with 48 cores for a highly clocked desktop machine as a particular piece of very expensive software performed worse the more cores you added and only scaled with clock speed (fucking CA). We could bitch to CA and wait for months for them to hopefully fix it or actually do what works (in this case we are doing both, but this is hardly a rare or isolated incident)

Re:D E S P E R A T I O N

[Anonymous Coward]

The killing of HPPA was fratricide. Itanium/epic was originally PA-wideword word which was a planned successor for HP PA. Itanium also managed to kill SGI's MIPS & Alpha. It was a great success for killing competition.

Many smart people knew that Itanium would be a disaster. They could prove that it was exceedingly difficult for compilers to find the ILP Itanium needed to succeed. Intel basically bet on compiler unobtainium.

Itanium could have sort-of been fixed probably, but by that point AMD64 was out there and popular and the market had decided.

Re:D E S P E R A T I O N

[spire3661]

I am sitting next to a 5.0 GHZ VR Flight Sim rig with a 1080 ti, it needs all the single-thread perf i can muster. DCS World absolutely gets CPU bound. A Ryzen chip would be a downgrade for this dedicated setup.

Re:D E S P E R A T I O N

[Cederic]

If the flight sim isn't scaling with the cores, it's a software issue, not a hardware issue.

Fine. You fix the software, and in the meantime, we'll buy fucking fast CPUs so that we can continue to use it.

Re:Novelty

[lgw]

A lot of money just to act like a big shot. I suppose it is like people who buy mansions or 100k sports cars.

It's an odd market. There are enthusiasts who push the limits on what's possible for overclocking, building ridiculous systems (e.g., liquid nitrogen cooling) with prices that are crazy, but still way cheaper than cars or photography as a middle-age-man hobby. Thing is, enthusiasts don't buy systems from integrators. Building your on is the entire point.

This is a dangerous marketing move for Intell IMO. These chips will go in systems for kids with rich parents. That could kill the enthusiast market for Intel. Chasing away your hardcore fans is rarely wise.

Anyone with half a clue would go AMD

[Anonymous Coward]

This is like the Pentium 4 extreme (EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE) edition or the three-mild-island-meltdown-esque overclocked 8350 - 9590.

Except for a very few cases going Intel makes zero sense at this point. I say this while owning multiple Intel and AMD cpu based PC's and laptops, and I *still* like my Core 2 quad which I overclocked the hell out of. The 2500K / 2600K Sandy bridge were awesome chips, but now, you'd have to be CRAZY to want to buy an intel.

Intel supports sockets for such a short period of time it's crazy. Socket AM4 has longevity. You can buy a 2200G and have a really cheap intro point with decent integrated graphics on AM4. On the higher end, you have Thread Ripper which is so much better value than Intel's competing products you can spend the saved money on a super high end GPU and on fast storage.

It just makes no sense at this point to go Intel for anything but a laptop, and with Ryzen 2 it looks like even that area won't make sense. I'd never count Intel out, but boy have they lost the plot. Hopefully Jim Keller can help them out, but wow it's like the days of AMD 64 vs Pentium 4 where Pentium 3 on DDR was actually better than Pentium 4.

I'm even thinking of building up a Ryzen 2600 + Radeon 580 combo just because the price performance is so good and DDR4 prices are finally sane again.

Re:Would I even notice the CPU speedup if I upgrad

[ctilsie242]

I would probably assert that moving to a NVMe SSD might more important than going to a new CPU barring specific tasks like Photoshop or other rendering. For almost all interactive use, disk I/O is what causes slowdowns.

In my experience, it is usually disk I/O -> RAM -> GPU -> CPU, in that order for performance items, for most things.

I'd like to see you stop spamming

[Anonymous Coward]

Your hosts file software is complete shit. It has repeatedly been demonstrated to be of extremely low quality. You are a spammer and should be banned. Go do something productive with your life for once, like making a wheel. That would be far more worthwhile than your hosts file malware.

Re:Novelty

[Anonymous Coward]

While I wouldn't go to one of these hyper high-end processors (too expensive, uncertain benefits) I still go with Intel. I've had issues with AMD parts locking up when running certain physics simulations (under FreeBSD) which haven't been alleviated with microcode updates. The Intel parts, on the other hand, seem rock-solid.

At 255W, systems integrators are required

[guruevi]

I understand they don't want to give this one to the masses. 255W from an area the size of an oversized postal stamp will require some very good cooling and having it destroyed due to just poor installation of your water cooler, they'll probably won't be allowed returns at all.

I know Intel wants to give AMD the finger but this is 1/4 kW in the processor alone. Give it a good GPU and you're looking at a 2kW space heater. This moves makes it obvious they are desperate to increase both profitability and get to a smaller scale.

Re:At 255W, systems integrators are required

[Anonymous Coward]

Modern CPUs turn off if they get too hot, rather than light on fire like you suggest.

Re:At 255W, systems integrators are required

[Anonymous Coward]

Intel has probably the best thermal shutdown of any processor. I doubt this is the reason.
They are just trying to shake down the little guys like they did to Gecco Computers in the early 90s.

Re:At 255W, systems integrators are required

[thegarbz]

I understand they don't want to give this one to the masses.

What "masses" spend in excess of $2000 on a CPU and don't understand or look into the cooling solution?

While we're at it, what 1990s era CPU is capable of being damaged due to poor cooling? Thermal throttling is a thing that occurs on a millisecond basis and failure for a CPU to protect itself these days would be grounds for returning it as being defective and not fit for purpose.

I know Intel wants to give AMD the finger but this is 1/4 kW in the processor alone.

Multiple Threadrippers have a 250W TDP, as do many Xeon chips. This isn't anything new. It's also nothing difficult to cool. There are plenty of air coolers on the market rated in excess of 250W TDP which people put on a large variety of CPUs. Anyone who has ever done any overclocking is capable of cooling a 255W TDP chip. You can easily cool a chip like this with most 240mm AIOs just fine too.

Re:At 255W, systems integrators are required

[Anonymous Coward]

If it's constantly in thermal shutdown due to poor cooling, users will bitch and moan and blame Intel. SIs will make sure the cooling is adequate.

Re:At 255W, systems integrators are required

[Anonymous Coward]

Users will bitch and moan and blame Intel if it's constantly in thermal shutdown due to poor cooling. SIs will make sure the cooling is adequate.

Re:At 255W, systems integrators are required

[Jahoda]

The RTX 2080 TI is a 250 watt TDP chip (as it the 1080 TI). There's nothing remotely challenging to cool these systems. I don't really think you understand how TDP works. In any case, as several have corrected you, chips self-manage their thermals and have for about 15-20 years now.

Re: At 255W, systems integrators are required

[Anonymous Coward]

Cpu!=gpu

He's talking about cpu not gpu

Re: At 255W, systems integrators are required

[Anonymous Coward]

He's talking about a fucking chip, whether it is a CPU or GPU is not relevant, the power consumption and die area what is relevant.

Re: At 255W, systems integrators are required

[Anonymous Coward]

Soooo your suggesting that a GPU magically uses the power differently than a CPU and hence cooling can't be compared? I am sure you also believe red cars are faster and that brown eggs are tastier than white eggs.

Re:At 255W, systems integrators are required

[thegarbz]

The RTX 2080 TI is a 250 watt TDP chip

So are the Threadrippers and many Xeon chips.

Re:At 255W, systems integrators are required

[ChrisMaple]

Running a CPU so hot that it does thermal cycling increases mechanical stresses, which will shorten the life of the CPU.

Re:At 255W, systems integrators are required

[guruevi]

I've seen Core i7's melt and warp the surrounding PCB due to poorly installed (water)coolers. I've also seen people over-tighten them, cracking the chip or having liquid leak all over. If they're on there but not working good, they will dissipate the heat into the tiny watercooler sink which then becomes a radiator to the neighboring areas, melting out capacitors and various other things. Intel's CPU can work up to 100C before throttling, that's a LOT of heat.

Re:At 255W, systems integrators are required

[guruevi]

Not for 15-20 years. Athlons famously caught fire without a sink as did other P4-era chips, Intel started requiring temp diodes on the motherboard around that time but the BIOS had to regulate it. Nowadays, temp sensors are integrated but they only throttle to 25% and they produce enough heat before throttling that you can easily, with the help of a tiny water-cooler heatsink destroy or warp the motherboard and surrounding components, eventually destroying the chip.

And yes, people will install the chip the wrong way, overtighten the cooling, not applying or too much cooling paste (resulting in uneven heat dissipation) or somehow destroy the chip and simply return it to the store and ask for their money back.

The GPU is a lot larger and typically consist of more chips that need cooling and collectively produce 250W. They also have the heatsink already assembled in most cases and removing it voids the warranty.

Re:At 255W, systems integrators are required

[thegarbz]

And yes, people will install the chip the wrong way, overtighten the cooling, not applying or too much cooling paste (resulting in uneven heat dissipation) or somehow destroy the chip and simply return it to the store and ask for their money back.

And? That applies to the cooler on a Celeron as well and has nothing to do with high TDP.

The GPU is a lot larger

No it's not. The GPU is firstly direct die and is smaller than a heatspreadder. On top of that the cooler is required to connect to multiple parts of the card. If you're worried about enthusiasts destroying any component while installing a heatsink, then the GPU is orders of magnitude more likely to be ruined.

They also have the heatsink already assembled in most cases and removing it voids the warranty.

You do realise that installing the heatsink on e.g. a modern 250W TDP TR4 chip or an LGA 3647 chip is no different than installing the fan on your old Pentium 3 right?

Oh wait it is different. The modern chips have heat spreaders making it far less likely to damage the CPU while installing the cooler, and modern coolers have pretensioned retaining systems meaning you just throw on 4 bolts and call it a day. Then there's the advent of AIOs which makes the component sitting on your CPU significantly smaller and even easier to install than a heatsink. Seriously have you not built a computer in the last 10 years? The cooler on my Pentium 4 was significantly more difficult to install than the cooler on my current 180W TDP (rated, it actually draws closer to 230W overclocked) cooler.

Re:At 255W, systems integrators are required

[thegarbz]

The thermal cycles of a modern CPU are no different to those from 10 years ago, we ran them up to 100C back then, we run them up to 100C now. The difference is that a modern CPU getting to 100C on die will cause it to protect itself whereas the old ones happily let the smoke come out.

TDP limit is a figure given to designers of cooling systems and my ancient Pentium 4 had thermal cycles almost identical to my Threadripper (which has 4x the TDP). Oh and my Pentium 4 still works 15 years later.

Re:At 255W, systems integrators are required

[thegarbz]

Intel's CPU can work up to 100C before throttling, that's a LOT of heat.

No it's not. It's quite a standard amount of heat that CPU's have experienced since the days of Pentium 3 and the first generation of Athlons. Additionally most of this temperature does not couple into the motherboard where even if your die is at 100C you will read barely more than a 20C rise on the board itself. On the otherhand VRMs do couple heat directly into the motherboard and they are rated to 150C though most of them will sensibly throttle at around 130C mainly to prevent cooking other components on the mainboard.

I've also seen people over-tighten them, cracking the chip or having liquid leak all over.

Wow. Someone has been buying coolers from aliexpress. There isn't a waterblock currently on the market where the instructions don't say to just do up the bolts as hard as you can. They all bottom out and use a spring based retention system.

Crack the chip? I call bullshit. You will do damage to every other component on the board long before you crack a CPU with an IHS on it. Now theres plenty of people who take the IHS off, but your assertion is that we're talking about people who don't know what they are doing. And yes if you're building a custom loop there's risk of leaks, but by your own admission you're worried about incompetence, so why target the enthusiast? An AIO doesn't leak.

they will dissipate the heat into the tiny watercooler sink which then becomes a radiator to the neighboring areas, melting out capacitors and various other things.

I'm sorry but physics doesn't work like that. You can radiate from the entire surface of the CPU without cooling and your neighboring components will barely be warm to the touch at the pathetically cool 100C where the CPU will throttle. See the top of my post. 100C is a trivial temperature to work with and we've worked with it for 20 years now.

Re:At 255W, systems integrators are required

[Anonymous Coward]

Not sure about other OSes, but on Linux if your CPU hit high temperature for period of time, the OS will insert some dummy processes to reduce the CPU load. It saved my ass years ago, when I didn't realize that the CPU fan connector didn't plug correctly.

Re: At 255W, systems integrators are required

[Cederic]

Maybe he's suggesting that a GPU with over twice the surface area of a CPU offers substantially greater heat dissipation capabilities and is thus far easier to cool for a given TDP.

Or is that too complicated for you?

Difficult to find a manager with tech. ability?

[Futurepower(R)]

Intel has a LONG history of insufficient management.

Is that at least partly because it is difficult to find a competent manager with an understanding of technology?

Re:Difficult to find a manager with tech. ability?

[Anonymous Coward]

Too bad for them, they didn't hire Lisa Su.

Re:Difficult to find a manager with tech. ability?

[Anonymous Coward]

lol the last thing intel needs is a mary sue..

amicusNYCL I know it's you CHATTERING TWAT

[Anonymous Coward]

amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT that I made EAT HIS WORDS easily lol https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RUNS from a FAIR CHALLENGE I put to him https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).

I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)

LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.

your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)

Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.

It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)

Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...

LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).

Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...

* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!

(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)

APK

P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk

Registered /.ers reviews #1/5 disagree

[Anonymous Coward]

Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant August 10 2015

his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg September 25 2015

I like your host file system by Karmashock September 09 2015

that APK guy, I use his host file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

* For the Win32/64 model.

APK

P.S.=> Linux model's faster/more efficient/better MERGE feature too - More coming... apk

Registered /.ers reviews #2/5 disagree

[Anonymous Coward]

Apk has the answer for that - really... kill automatic updates by adding a hosts file entry setting updates.steam.com or whatever to 127.0.0.1. You have to find the right hostname for each software you want to block updates on by raymorris (2726007) on Friday July 06, 2018

APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat (756137) on Wednesday June 21, 2017

I support APK's stand on the hosts file and can't see why it's not used more than it is. My hosts file is 144247 lines long (4,332 Kb) it & a firewall serves me very well - by Trax3001BBS (2368736)

ABP is insufficient as a solid hosts file does everything APK reminds us about fast turtle September 17 2013

You need APK's hosts file - by Teun (17872) on Wednesday August 06, 2014

* For the Win32/64 model.

APK

P.S.=> Linux model's faster/more efficient + BETTER merge feature - More coming... apk

Re:Novelty

[Anonymous Coward]

The point is it's getting close enough that you'd have to be an idiot to pay like 2x for 10% more performance getting robbed by Intel. Intel is strictly for butthurt fanbois spending mommy's money badly.

Registered /.ers reviews #3/5 disagree

[Anonymous Coward]

APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa on Saturday May 16, 2015

APK solution STILL relevant Thud457 June 11 2015

In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015

APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment - by Culture20 on Thursday November 17

you're right about hosts files - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26

APK, I know people give you a lot of shit regarding hosts, but please don't ever stop - by nasredin (958927) on Friday June 12, 2015 @03:34PM

* For the Win32/64 model.

APK

P.S.=> Linux model's faster/more efficient + BETTER merge feature - More coming... apk

Registered /.ers reviews #4/5 disagree

[Anonymous Coward]

APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works. - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015

get around to 'installing' a hosts file list, not sure which one, likely the one from someonewhocares.org. If it works as well as what I used for a while about ten years ago, I'll be happy. And grateful to APK for the lesson and the reminder. - by kermidge (2221646) on Wednesday March 27

I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster. - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17

dammit MS, you proved APK right about something by lgw

* For the Win32/64 model.

APK

P.S.=> Linux model's faster/more efficient + BETTER merge feature - More coming... apk

Registered /.ers reviews #5/5 disagree

[Anonymous Coward]

(APK) is still right a hosts file really does work. It even blocked a some of the video ads that were inserted into a stream OrangeTide February 10 2016

the Host File Engine performs exactly as promised - by mmell (832646) on Thursday February 16, 2017

I do use APK's host file on all my systems at home by OrangeTide December 01 2017

I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

(Toss on 100,000++ users worldwide too!)

* For the Win32/64 model.

APK

P.S.=> Linux model's faster/more efficient + BETTER merge feature... apk

Hosts efficacy recently vs. threats

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject & results in https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://linux.slashdot.org/com... https://news.slashdot.org/comm... https://apple.slashdot.org/com... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://search.slashdot.org/co... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... https://apple.slashdot.org/com...

* That's only recently while I've been on Linux (July 2018) & 100's of times vs. MANY other botnets/malwares etc. in the past circa 2006-early 2018 while I was on Windows: CONCRETE VISIBLE UNDENIABLE REALITY (see those links as proof). ... & that's ONLY what /. reported on (there were FAR more)

APK

P.S.=> "It's working: Neville... it's working!" - "I AM LEGEND"... apk

Re:Would I even notice the CPU speedup if I upgrad

[Anonymous Coward]

GPU matters more in rendering, Davinci Resolve is at a sweet spot with the 24 core threadrippers 128GB of ram and a single high end GPU, adding more doesn't necessarily result in more that a few seconds difference in an hour long render, primarily due to the 3rd party plugins not scaling, Resolve itself will use all the cores you can throw at it, but is limited in what it can do straight vanilla.

but given the fact that it will lock up the system till it's done, so you are best off using the beast for editing and just using an old server or workstation rig in the basement to be a render slave to the beast. Why the basement? Because I don't want to hear that noisy ass thing.

Security pros etc. QUOTED on hosts

[Anonymous Coward]

"classic Windows hosts trick to block the Coinhive or Crypto-Loot domains" - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/a-new-player-joins-coinhive-on-the-browser-cryptojacking-scene/ - BLEEPING COMPUTER

ZD NET http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-use-a-hosts-file-to-improve-your-internet-experience/ "Hosts files really shine by letting you block ads, spyware sites, malware sites, & tracking sites"

SANS ("A related approach to the DNS issue is to create a hosts file on each system that sends requests for spyware to some place else" hosts by myself & RAMU right @ START of "malware explosion" mid 2005 on) https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di...

Aryeh Goretsky/ESET/NOD32: hosts = good security https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7442373&amp.cid=49747129/

Oliver Day (SYMANTEC/SECURITYFOCUS) http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/491/

Spybot S&D uses hosts!

APK

P.S.=> Malwarebytes' hpHosts hosts & RECOMMENDS my program forum.hosts-file.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4290

Even CHINA copied me (vs. DNS down/redirected)

[Anonymous Coward]

Who did it 1st: China or me? I did - dates are proof https://theregister.co.uk/2017... w/ the FACT China rampantly STEALS U.S. Intellectual properties & military secrets!

* IMITATION truly IS the SINCEREST FORM of FLATTERY!!!

(... & proves hosts work vs. DNS faults in tracking you via dns request logs (since you avoid it & resolve FASTER locally using hosts) + DNS being downed OR Kaminsky REDIRECT security flaw misdirected poisoned (or vs. DNSChanger))

APK

P.S.=> Folks, It's NOT EASY being "World-Class" like me (lol - 100,000++ users prove it for me) - enjoy the fruits of my labors for FREE + going FASTER/SAFER/MORE RELIABLY online (w/ a bit more anonymity too via my program)... apk

I will wait for AMD Ryzen 2+ ones.

[Anonymous Coward]

It has backdoors and many secret cores at 5.0 GHz.

It seems that it does not solve the meltdown and spectre problems.

Re:Would I even notice the CPU speedup if I upgrad

[thegarbz]

There's only so much you can offload on the GPU. If you have a 6 year old GPU and throw a Quadro at it you're going to have a pretty bad day, even in Photoshop or Premier. I'm currently running an encode offloaded on hardware. My hardware video encoder is only sitting at around 60% many thanks to one of my CPU cores being pegged.

You're quite right about the law of diminishing returns for gaming though. The difference between a 9700K and an 8700K is only a few FPS. But hey if that matters to you then more power to you.

That said the benefit I got upgrading my CPU was support for NVMe SSDs. That has improved I/O performance on my machine by an order of magnitude. But if that's important to you then you wouldn't be chosing Intel with it's crappy PCIe lanes and the audacity to force you to buy a dongle that you plug into a PCIe slot in order to enable VROC.

Re:Novelty

[thegarbz]

AMD 7nm chips should change that

I hope they do, but AMD has a lot to prove on the IPC spec. They promised to catch up with Intel with every generation and while they've made leaps and bounds they still aren't there yet.

Re:I'd like to see it square off vs. a ThreadRippe

[Anonymous Coward]

Thank you for your insights, APK! Pretty sure this isn't CoffeeLake at all, but instead Skylake-X Refresh for Intel's HEDT platform. Dunno if Meltdown/Spectre have hardware fixes versus firmware fixes (ala Skylake-X). Pretty sure we'll have to wait for Cascade Lake to make it into the HEDT space before we see fixes similar to what we see in the latest CoffeeLake products.

NSA Inside! /FUCK INTEL

[Anonymous Coward]

Intel lied to us all about the security and speed of their processors for decades. INTEL OWES ME MONEY.

Fuck Intel.
Fuck them to death.

Thank-YOU for yours (appreciated)... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: Thanks for YOUR letting me know what's-what here. I like performance but I won't sacrifice security or accuracy for it in code OR in hardware especially (since code rides on it).

* I'd LOVE to have the AMD ThreadRipper but Taxes & bills come 1st (along w/ food etc. of course too) - but when I DO BUY AGAIN (for "main system" here @ least)? These issues are a MAJOR concern to me!

(Plus, just got a NEW Mac-Mini, almost "top-of-the-line" too & I don't USUALLY want that believe it or not - It's BETTER for me to have a mid-range OR just under fastest so code I write works for "the little guy" too (w/ slower/older rigs)).

APK

P.S.=> I think I'm not alone from what I read in INTEL CPU based threads here & elsewhere online - performance? Great - but make sure I can't get "nuked" OR NUKE DATA, 1st, please guys (both AMD (lesser but they are hit too, just less) & INTEL)... apk

Re: Difficult to find a manager with tech. ability

[Tsolias]

Intel doesn't need a Lisa Su.
They need a Rory Read. If they fibd a Rory Read, then he will be able to pass the company to some Lisa Su.
Hint: Rory hired Lisa.

What about clock skew?

[stinerman]

I know I'm a bit behind the times but when I was in school in the aughts, my TA was doing research on how to overcome the large amount of clock skew you'd have on such fast chips. It seems like a 5 GHz chip would have problems with that.

Re:What about clock skew?

[thegarbz]

5GHz is not even close to the record extreme overclocks have stably achieved on CoffeeLake. 7.3GHz is getting close to the limit where no amount of magic can make it run stably anymore.

still hackable

[Anonymous Coward]

no thanks

Re:Novelty

[Anonymous Coward]

as opposed to the 20o with looks and libido driving the 25yo honda around with loud but shitty subwoofers?

Yeah, I'll take bald and flaccid any day over that.

Too many nines

[Anonymous Coward]

We seem to be nearing the endgame, the final end of Moore's Law. No room for more nines.

Re:Registered /.ers reviews #1/5 disagree

[Anonymous Coward]

did your older brother write templeOS by any chance?

No... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

No. I don't have an older brother. I am the older brother. My little brother's a field grade officer in the U.S. Military in D.C., highly educated & an analyst though. He could probably pull it off IF he tried & had the turnaround time.

* One HELL of a guy - wish I was more like him.

APK

P.S.=> I wish I had the chops to write an OS or good compiler - haven't managed that yet, sorry... apk

Re:A good Matlab replacement, not the next big thi

[q_e_t]

I was thinking of hooking a water cooling loop to my central heating radiators.

Re:A good Matlab replacement, not the next big thi

[thegarbz]

That may be surprisingly ineffective at actual cooling. The radiators in a house are designed to create natural draft and in order to do that you need a very high temperature differential between the water loop and the ambient air. That is what you get when you have a vertical fins running lengthwise through a radiator. Additionally most depend on convection and radiate poorly thanks to the default colour choice of off-white and the thick layer of lacquer covering the metal.

Mind you it will still work. The amount of water in the loop needed to fill a large radiator like that can store a lot of thermal energy and thus it's unlikely a computer would move the temperature much over time. Even with poor thermal properties it may take an hour+ for the water temperature to do anything. However you may be better off pumping water through a large metal bucket. :-)

Actually, they do. All the time.

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, quite a lot of the data on you disk right now is corrupted. And RAM bit flips are nothing unusual either. On top of it, your storage stack's checksumming has shitloads of collisions.

I know, because I have looked into *really* keeping my data safe and watched out for it the last 12 years, after a couple of data losses.

You only don't notice, because most of your data is in media files (and most of that in videos and game data), which either have large built-in error tolerance (like mpeg formats) or get verified before every usage anyway (like online game files).
If you have a full video archive disk, then after 10 years, I can *guarantee* that some videos will be pretty corrupt!
And even if you have a detection system, you *will* have had some checksum collisions make you miss some of it.

Go check for yourself, if you don't believe me.

Re: amicusNYCL I know it's you CHATTERING TWAT

[Anonymous Coward]

What people who criticize you is right. You consider your host file program as your magnum opus. Which is laughable.

You are on slashdot, take a look around. People around here have written kernel, file system, virtualization, network infrastructure, device driver, game engine, crypto, etc. Yet they never spam like you. Ever think about what the heck is WRONG with YOU ?????

Re:A good Matlab replacement, not the next big thi

[q_e_t]

It was a joke.

Re:A good Matlab replacement, not the next big thi

[thegarbz]

It was a joke.

It shouldn't be. Enthusiasts are an inquisitive and experimental crowd. You may have made a joke but your joke has been a very serious question asked over and over again on online forums.

People do all sorts of wonderful things such as using full sized car radiators: https://www.reddit.com/r/shitt...

I wish I still had the link to it but in the mid 2000s I remember seeing someone who laid copper tubing in a giant S bend under the foundation slab of his new build garage and cycled that through his CPU. Dirt and cement have a high specific heat so that apparently worked well enough that he ran into condensation issues in winter.

Also people with annoying voices like Linus Tech tips also get in on making jokes: https://youtu.be/EV6oYfcAwLM?t...

So next time you make a joke, add a smiley ;-)

Re:A good Matlab replacement, not the next big thi

[q_e_t]

I'm aware of people using domestic radiator systems in an experimental way, especially when they have their own personal server farms at home as that was the root of the joke.

Re: Novelty

[Anonymous Coward]

Personally, when discussing non specific allegations, I prefer a crash to having to double check for results of 66.FFF000FF in my data.