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Intel Core i9-9990XE: Up To 5.0 GHz, Auction Only (anandtech.com)
Ian Cutress, reporting for AnandTech: AnandTech has seen documents and supporting information from multiple sources that show that Intel is planning to release a new high-end desktop processor, the Core i9-9990XE. These documents show that the processors will not be sold at retail; rather they will only be sold to system integrators, and then only through a closed online auction. This new processor will be the highest numbered processor in Intel's high-end desktop line. The current top processor is the i9-9980XE, an 18 core part with a base frequency of 3.5 GHz and a turbo frequency of 4.0 GHz. The i9-9990XE, on the other hand, is not simply the 9980XE with an increase in frequency. The Core i9-9990XE will be a 14 core processor, but with a base frequency of 4.0 GHz and a turbo frequency of 5.0 GHz. This makes it a super-binned 9940X.
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Now I can play Crysis.
Otherwise you'll have Chernobyl in your bedroom.
That's pretty much it. If I want a lot of power, instead of showing off the money I don't have, AMD would get my choice from now on.
Which only works under liquid nitrogen.
This type of CPU seems like something that is more sizzle than steak. If it is so expensive and exclusive, what makes it better than say, a Xeon Platinum or even a Xeon D?
There is so much overlap that one might as well jump to a Xeon if an i7 just isn't up to the task anyway, unless this is a laptop or mobile machine.
This is quite the curious move from Intel. Sure SIs have budget to buy in bulk and to auction, but the super enthusiasts who would be the likely target market for this chip aren't usually the type to go out to an SI and say "I want something off the shelf, please build for me".
I mean, Intel still leads in single-threaded performance.
If I have a workload that can be multi-threaded and take advantage of all the cores, though, AMD all the way, especially for the price you're going to pay. Even for mixed workloads that involve some single-threaded and some multi-threaded, it's probably worth considering AMD from a price perspective.
Obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozcEel1rNKM
I guess that when you make a lot of processors, one of them has to be overclock-able. With a 255-watt power draw, you know it's overvolted and overclocked.
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That sure is a lot of 9s. Looking at the CPU lists though, they haven't really used 9 very much in their model names. Is 2019 the year of the Number Justice Warriors?
Like many people, I want my PC to keep up with the newest games, but none of these are CPU constrained. With dual graphics cards, even a cheapish CPU will not degrade performance. If people do a lot of rendering video or working in Photoshop, they can use Ouadro or FirePro rendering accelerators, and even a $170 cpu will not be the limiting factor.
I think it's time for tech journalists to do the equivalent of a "taste test" to see if even power users can really tell whether they're running one of these superchips or a downmarket CPU like a threadripper, or even an old ivy bridge E5-1660v2 from 2012. It would be hilarious if these systems were configured in identical cases that have reversed labels, just to watch these "computer pro's" talk about how they're sensitive enough to notice the "slightly improved response" in the system that they believe has the new chip, but doesn't actually.
AMD 7nm chips should change that where AMD will also win single threaded as well as multi-threaded workloads. The IPC improvements from the Zen2 cores, combined with the 7nm fab process which will allow for higher clock speeds/lower power draw definitely have the potential to do this. Right now though, we need to wait another 5-6 months to find out if that will be true, but it is very possible. The unconfirmed leaked lineup of Ryzen 3000 series processors has 12 and 16 core parts, including boost that will go to 5GHz. Based on first and second generation Ryzen processors, if boost is listed at a given speed, then with decent cooling, that is what can be gotten on all cores with good cooling(typical 280mm closed loop AIO being enough).
A lot of money just to act like a big shot. I suppose it is like people who buy mansions or 100k sports cars.
It's an odd market. There are enthusiasts who push the limits on what's possible for overclocking, building ridiculous systems (e.g., liquid nitrogen cooling) with prices that are crazy, but still way cheaper than cars or photography as a middle-age-man hobby. Thing is, enthusiasts don't buy systems from integrators. Building your on is the entire point.
This is a dangerous marketing move for Intell IMO. These chips will go in systems for kids with rich parents. That could kill the enthusiast market for Intel. Chasing away your hardcore fans is rarely wise.
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I would probably assert that moving to a NVMe SSD might more important than going to a new CPU barring specific tasks like Photoshop or other rendering. For almost all interactive use, disk I/O is what causes slowdowns.
In my experience, it is usually disk I/O -> RAM -> GPU -> CPU, in that order for performance items, for most things.
While I wouldn't go to one of these hyper high-end processors (too expensive, uncertain benefits) I still go with Intel. I've had issues with AMD parts locking up when running certain physics simulations (under FreeBSD) which haven't been alleviated with microcode updates. The Intel parts, on the other hand, seem rock-solid.
"The only people I know buying Intel at this point for gaming desktops are either fanboys or clueless."
Or they do things that require the fastest single thread perf you can get like VR and Flight sim, or VR+FlightSim.
Good-bye
I understand they don't want to give this one to the masses. 255W from an area the size of an oversized postal stamp will require some very good cooling and having it destroyed due to just poor installation of your water cooler, they'll probably won't be allowed returns at all.
I know Intel wants to give AMD the finger but this is 1/4 kW in the processor alone. Give it a good GPU and you're looking at a 2kW space heater. This moves makes it obvious they are desperate to increase both profitability and get to a smaller scale.
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Intel has a LONG history of insufficient management.
Is that at least partly because it is difficult to find a competent manager with an understanding of technology?
There's only so much you can offload on the GPU. If you have a 6 year old GPU and throw a Quadro at it you're going to have a pretty bad day, even in Photoshop or Premier. I'm currently running an encode offloaded on hardware. My hardware video encoder is only sitting at around 60% many thanks to one of my CPU cores being pegged.
You're quite right about the law of diminishing returns for gaming though. The difference between a 9700K and an 8700K is only a few FPS. But hey if that matters to you then more power to you.
That said the benefit I got upgrading my CPU was support for NVMe SSDs. That has improved I/O performance on my machine by an order of magnitude. But if that's important to you then you wouldn't be chosing Intel with it's crappy PCIe lanes and the audacity to force you to buy a dongle that you plug into a PCIe slot in order to enable VROC.
AMD 7nm chips should change that
I hope they do, but AMD has a lot to prove on the IPC spec. They promised to catch up with Intel with every generation and while they've made leaps and bounds they still aren't there yet.
Intel doesn't need a Lisa Su.
They need a Rory Read. If they fibd a Rory Read, then he will be able to pass the company to some Lisa Su.
Hint: Rory hired Lisa.
I know I'm a bit behind the times but when I was in school in the aughts, my TA was doing research on how to overcome the large amount of clock skew you'd have on such fast chips. It seems like a 5 GHz chip would have problems with that.
I was thinking of hooking a water cooling loop to my central heating radiators.
That may be surprisingly ineffective at actual cooling. The radiators in a house are designed to create natural draft and in order to do that you need a very high temperature differential between the water loop and the ambient air. That is what you get when you have a vertical fins running lengthwise through a radiator. Additionally most depend on convection and radiate poorly thanks to the default colour choice of off-white and the thick layer of lacquer covering the metal.
Mind you it will still work. The amount of water in the loop needed to fill a large radiator like that can store a lot of thermal energy and thus it's unlikely a computer would move the temperature much over time. Even with poor thermal properties it may take an hour+ for the water temperature to do anything. However you may be better off pumping water through a large metal bucket. :-)
I am sitting next to a 5.0 GHZ VR Flight Sim rig with a 1080 ti, it needs all the single-thread perf i can muster. DCS World absolutely gets CPU bound. A Ryzen chip would be a downgrade for this dedicated setup.
Good-bye
It was a joke.
It was a joke.
It shouldn't be. Enthusiasts are an inquisitive and experimental crowd. You may have made a joke but your joke has been a very serious question asked over and over again on online forums.
People do all sorts of wonderful things such as using full sized car radiators: https://www.reddit.com/r/shitt...
I wish I still had the link to it but in the mid 2000s I remember seeing someone who laid copper tubing in a giant S bend under the foundation slab of his new build garage and cycled that through his CPU. Dirt and cement have a high specific heat so that apparently worked well enough that he ran into condensation issues in winter.
Also people with annoying voices like Linus Tech tips also get in on making jokes: https://youtu.be/EV6oYfcAwLM?t...
So next time you make a joke, add a smiley ;-)
I'm aware of people using domestic radiator systems in an experimental way, especially when they have their own personal server farms at home as that was the root of the joke.
If the flight sim isn't scaling with the cores, it's a software issue, not a hardware issue.
Fine. You fix the software, and in the meantime, we'll buy fucking fast CPUs so that we can continue to use it.