Slashdot Mirror


The Government's Secret UFO Program Funded Research on Wormholes and Extra Dimensions (vice.com)

Documents released by the Department of Defense reveal some of what its infamous Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was working on. From a report: The Department of Defense funded research on wormholes, invisibility cloaking, and "the manipulation of extra dimensions" under its shadowy Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, first described in 2017 by the New York Times and the Washington Post. On Wednesday, the Defense Intelligence Agency released a list of 38 research titles pursued by the program in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request by Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy.

The list provides one of the best looks at the Pentagon's covert UFO operation or study of "anomalous aerospace threats." According to Aftergood's FOIA request, the document marked "For Official Use Only" was sent to Congress on January 2018. One such research topic, "Traversable Wormholes, Stargates, and Negative Energy," was led by Eric W. Davis of EarthTech International Inc, which describes itself as a facility "exploring the forefront reaches of science and engineering," with an interest in theories of spacetime, studies of the quantum vacuum, and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.

48 of 105 comments (clear)

  1. Crackpottery to cover up the real work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Crackpottery to cover up the real work by sarren1901 · · Score: 1

      An unidentified flying object (UFO) very well could be an alien spacecraft. Since it is unidentified it could be quite a few things. We just don't have enough information to make that judgement. Hence, unidentified flying object.

      If we knew what the flying object was, it would be an identified flying object and likely given a more specific term.

    2. Re:Crackpottery to cover up the real work by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The Soviet Union and Russia could see the new extra no reflective US spy sat attempt in space.
      It was good new and extra dark vs the very well understood bright night sky :)
      But the billions in new mil funding was great over time.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    3. Re:Crackpottery to cover up the real work by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      I don't know what that noise was I heard in my house last night. Since it was unidentified it means it could have been an extraterrestrial drinking out of my milk carton without even using a glass. I just don't have enough information to eliminate or even reduce the possibility of such a potentiality.

    4. Re:Crackpottery to cover up the real work by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of when I was playing Star Trek Online. One of my characters got the Lukari flying saucer ship and called it The Light of Venus.

      --
      This space unintentionally left blank.
    5. Re:Crackpottery to cover up the real work by sarren1901 · · Score: 1

      Exactly!!!

    6. Re:Crackpottery to cover up the real work by DeVilla · · Score: 2

      No. If he doesn't know what made the sound, then he should just act like he didn't hear it. If any one else heard it and asked what it was, he should mock them and call them crazy.

  2. Denial by pr0t0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Col. Jack O'Neill denied any knowledge of the Stargate program or the existence of the SGC, stating "I think you watch too much television."

    RIP Don Davis

    --
    I'm sorry, but your opinion seems to be wrong.
    1. Re:Denial by lactose99 · · Score: 1

      RIP indeed :(

      --
      Fully licensed blockchain psychiatrist
    2. Re:Denial by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      How about something far more logical. To disprove something by analysing it's probabilities you must first set up a research project to investigate it. Stargates, yeah, nahhhhhh, is a star gate research project. Lets not read to much into the research they make 'PUBLICLY' available, it is the stuff they keep secret where we will actually learn something. The biggest reason why they will not admit what they know, the real reason because they know so little and ego demands that must publicly know the answer so they pretend nothing because although they know more than that, part of the delusions of control. They are control freaks, they must control, hence they are loathe to admit largely nothing but ignorance, oh they know all right and they have some evidence but they don't know much, well, anything beyond what they have been allowed to know and they do know that is true.

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    3. Re:Denial by Calydor · · Score: 1

      The fact that 'Stargates' comes right after 'Traversable Wormholes' in the same project title, to me it simply sounds as shorthand for 'Traversable wormholes and the devices required to control them'.

      --
      -=This sig has nothing to do with my comment. Move along now=-
  3. Re: No, it didn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And covering g up Donald Trump's crimes.

  4. Dimensions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I thought the extra dimensions were added by physicists when confronted with the fact that their formula/theory didn't work with reality...

    1. Re: Dimensions by tysonedwards · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is an intuitive answer to a difficult problem. Namely, within a 3 dimension coordinate system, there are an infinite number of 2d coordinates. Therefore if there is a 4th dimension, itâ(TM)s coordinates encompass an infinite number of 3 dimensional coordinates. And so on, turtles all the way down. What is contained by those coordinates is in dispute, and where science fiction writers have taken some flights of fancy.

      --
      Thirty four characters live here.
    2. Re: Dimensions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ok, if 4th dimension is time then the infinite number of 3d spaces are just different moments in time. That one is easy. Doesn't mean you can go back in time either, but the math is useful to model where something might have been in the past based on it's trajectory right now.

      Every posting I've read about any higher (5+) dimension always sounds like someone was up late at night drinking a lot of caffeine and they're trying to explain their epiphany to you the next day and end up confusing themselves.

    3. Re:Dimensions by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AI research could use the same budget trick :)
      The AI is busy working in another dimension.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    4. Re: Dimensions by meglon · · Score: 2

      The 5th Dimension is responsible for the Age of Aquarius. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      --
      Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
  5. yawn. lots of basic science funded this way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Lots of research is funded with titles that relate the work to military needs but which are vastly implausible. The research is good and necessary to understanding scientific issues, and everybody knows the military applications are nonsense.
    I am reminded of a general relativity study of inertial frames of reference near a rotating massive heavy object. Needed some expensive computer time. Justified it by saying you might trick an enemy into swinging a heavy weight on a spring, then sneak up on him with a rotating massive shell.
    Of course the mass needed would be a good fraction of the mass of the universe, but maybe ways to reduce it could be found.
    The proposal was accepted and funded. Incidentally, it proved that inertial frames do get rotated, a conclusion that helped understand details about black hole formation.

    1. Re:yawn. lots of basic science funded this way by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      We want the military to protect us against threats from outside the country. To do so, it must first identify the threats we face. To do that, it must do enough research in to threats which can be imagined to classify them in to the plausible and implausible. To do that, it must first spend effort identifying what indicators, if found, would allow it to determine that a threat was plausible or implausible.

      Nukes weren't possible until they were. If we want to discover that a new technology based on a new science poses a threat before it shows up in the middle of New York City, we have to spend some effort figuring out how we'll figure it out. Research into that "how" makes sense.

      --
      Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion.
    2. Re:yawn. lots of basic science funded this way by aquabat · · Score: 1

      I don't know, man. This sounds like someone who needs research funding, sees that the military has lots of money to burn, and therefore comes up with something they will buy into, in order to get the money. Additionally, you can't feel threatened by a threat you don't know about, so why expend effort thinking up new ways to scare people? Funding a bunch of paranoid researchers to run around and think up ways to kill lots of people in New York sounds like a really bad idea to me.

      --
      A republic cannot succeed till it contains a certain body of men imbued with the principles of justice and honour.
    3. Re:yawn. lots of basic science funded this way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Science makes measurements that lead to more measurements that lead to more machines capable of making more measurements and finding through measurement more things to measure.

  6. Well duh! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you are working on the cutting-edge of scientific theory, it's all crazy stuff. This was merely research into the topics in hope of gaining some insight in the possibility. Communication without wires or sound used to be a fantasy but today most carry devices that utilize it constantly.

    --
    Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    1. Re:Well duh! by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      When you are working on the cutting-edge of scientific theory, it's all crazy stuff.

      Not really. Many of the past innovations were based on observations which weren't properly understood. We knew something made people sick, we didn't know what it was. We saw birds flying, we didn't understand the mechanics of flight. Even the eventual invention of the transistor began with the observation of an effect which wasn't understood at the time (the Edison effect).

      Things like wormholes, alternate dimensions, and FTL travel are based on wild speculation, not on something that is presently observable but not understood. They make interesting Sci-Fi, but that's about as far as it goes.

      --

      ---
      DRM is like antifreeze, to the MPAA/RIAA it's sweet, to the consumers it's poison.
    2. Re:Well duh! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      This was merely research into the topics in hope of gaining some insight in the possibility.

      Obviously; why else would it have been handled in such a routine and above-board fashion?? ;) /sarc

    3. Re:Well duh! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Many of the past innovations were based on observations which weren't properly understood. [...] We saw birds flying, we didn't understand the mechanics of flight.

      There have been enough weird recorded UFO sightings by military personnel/instruments to fit this criteria.

      --
      Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    4. Re:Well duh! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      This was merely research into the topics in hope of gaining some insight in the possibility.

      Obviously; why else would it have been handled in such a routine and above-board fashion?? ;) /sarc

      Uhh... it actually was routine and above-board. If it wasn't both of those then it wouldn't have been included in a FOIA request.

      --
      Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    5. Re:Well duh! by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      There have been enough weird recorded UFO sightings by military personnel/instruments to fit this criteria.

      I didn't include UFOs specifically because that phenomenon qualifies as "an observation which isn't fully understood". It may not turn out to be little green men, but trying to figure out something you've observed and don't have an answer for is what expanding scientific knowledge is all about.

      --

      ---
      DRM is like antifreeze, to the MPAA/RIAA it's sweet, to the consumers it's poison.
    6. Re:Well duh! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      I didn't include UFOs specifically because that phenomenon qualifies as "an observation which isn't fully understood". It may not turn out to be little green men, but trying to figure out something you've observed and don't have an answer for is what expanding scientific knowledge is all about.

      Sure reads like you are admitting you made an argument in bad faith.

      --
      Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
  7. These are the people we let handle the nukes by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Think about that when you're trying to get to sleep tonight.

    --
    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
  8. You're not supposed to talk about this by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Seriously.

    Now China will realize why we're not worried about their Moon Base.

    --
    -- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
  9. Re:Rich countries with no problems by Hentai007 · · Score: 1

    You know someone at the Pentagon wrote a paper about the potential of an "interdimensional 9/11" to get funding for this.

  10. Re:No, it didn't by divide+overflow · · Score: 2

    Those are just ridiculous titles for money that went towards more practical things, like moving heroine for the CIA.

    "Heroine" means a woman admired or idealized for her courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities.
    "Heroin" is diacetylmorphine, a powerful opioid drug.

  11. I guess I don't feel so guilty now by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been in the military industrial complex my whole adult life. I've wasted money. I've bought gizmos it turned out that I didn't really need, done things the expensive way because it was the fastest way, or because I just didn't know any better. I've charged my time for my work on X while skimming a couple of hours here and there for pet project Y, or just screwing around reading the internet when I had a mental block. A few thousand a year here and there, maybe peaking around 10k for the worst of it.

    I wasn't terribly proud of doing that. Still am not. But at least I didn't sell some schmuck who didn't know any better a promise to break the laws of physics with nothing but a pencil and paper (no wastebasket required). Whew. I can sleep soundly again.

    To anyone who wonders how I can have the job I claim to have and be a small-government RightwingNutjob instead of a big-government LeftwingNutjob...stargates and UFOs and EmDrives is your answer.

    1. Re:I guess I don't feel so guilty now by swell · · Score: 1

      RightwingNutjob is on to something.

      My experience is that Dept of Defense, Pentagon, CIA, FBI; all those hard core authoritative, rigid unimaginative types are actually paranoid. They don't understand science stuff, they don't read science fiction, they have no clue. So when some weirdo nerd geek has an idea about aliens or zombies or other fantastic fantasy, the unsmiling badge holders go into defense mode and spend whatever it takes to remove the 'threat'. And that includes conservative politicians who fund the research into these 'threats'.

      Right brain thinkers with imagination can always terrorize left brain thinkers with none, in spite of their guns, bombers, warships and missiles.

      --
      ...omphaloskepsis often...
    2. Re:I guess I don't feel so guilty now by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that could have been boiled down to "In short, people are fucking idiots". And I 100% agree.

  12. Re: 42 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The question is:

    Wait --- Wut? Why?

  13. Re:Thanks for the clarification. by PPH · · Score: 2

    Well, not me. I can just see the military's response now: "Yuck! Girls!"

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  14. Re:Rich countries with no problems by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    The USA will be happy to fully support any nation with food, education, safety, and infrastructure when asked.
    Ask for a US base and open the nation to US investment.
    US food will be given for free.
    US NGO will do the free pro democracy education.
    The CIA will keep any nation safe from all other nations attempts at trade and investment.
    The new US base will need better infrastructure so expect some port, roads, rail, power and airport upgrades.

    The deal will then be to support all US politics globally and to buy from US brands. Buy into US mil systems.
    Take out some big new US loans to fully upgrade to US mil standards.
    No wormhole research will be needed. Ask for a US base to support local troops and support democracy.
    The US embassy will get everything started after that request for support.

    --
    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  15. Re:More Distractions by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    So US spies could "look" deep into any Soviet bunker/port from the comfort of a mil base in the USA?
    Draw a sketch and have the CIA experts gather around looking at the best Soviet intelligence they had seen for decades.
    The sketch of the long object in a port was a new submarine.
    The sketch of a box was a hidden Soviet lab. Deep underground in a hidden Soviet science city.

    --
    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  16. Oh for fuck's sake.. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On the one hand: somewhat happy to hear that somebody is thinking far enough ahead to wonder if some of these far-fetched ideas could possibly be real.
    On the other hand: regretting once again that I have this totally inconvenient thing called a 'conscience' and can't just swindle the government out of millions of dollars on what amounts to TV science fantasy writing. Just one multi-million dollar contract and I wouldn't have to work again a day in my life.

  17. Re:Rich countries with no problems by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    vs going full wormholes and extra dimensions AC?
    Would you rather see the US fund wormholes and extra dimensions AC?
    Give the same money to the CIA, US embassy workers, US NGO workers and convert a nation to full democracy?
    Want some long term lab coat wormhole science in CA AC? Fund some real hearts and minds democracy in another nation?

    --
    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  18. Re:All so we can banish JUDEN for good by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    With a little more work and a few references to the BDS movement, you could probably whip that into shape as a Slate article.

  19. Re:Visitors from Space. by mcswell · · Score: 1

    Pretty sure you're responding to a joke.

  20. crazy fool by mcswell · · Score: 1

    Will someone get this walking carpet out of my way?

    1. Re:crazy fool by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Is there some point to your comment or are you just a 'bot posting random Star Wars quotes? Seriously you're almost as annoying to me at the moment as the spammer who keeps posting entire walls of text about I don't know what.

  21. Re:Rich countries with no problems by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    So you're saying that you could have fed your population 75 years ago, if you hadn't split the atom? Maybe that would have been a good idea.

  22. This is how science works by Solandri · · Score: 2

    The DoD is just being systematic. Science cannot prove a negative. You cannot prove that wormholes, or invisibility cloaks, or extra dimensions do not exist. So instead what you have to do is make an honest effort into researching each one. And when that research uncovers nothing plausible, you say that these things probably do not exist, and our research dollars are better spent on other things that we either don't know if they exist, or we know exist and need to study more to refine our understanding.

    But until you make this honest effort, you cannot authoritatively say that these things are not worth investigating. Anyone dismissing these ideas out of hand is jumping to a conclusion based not on evidence, but on their preconceived notions.

    Unfortunately, history courses and especially TV/movies do not teach people the value of failure, and quite often ridicule it. Failures are just as important as successes. Every success does not stand by itself. The success was made possible only because countless failures that came before told the successful people what not to do. When a reporter questioned Edison about the amount of effort wasted on failures finding a material which would work as a filament for a light bulb, Edison replied "I have not failed 700 times. I've succeeded in proving 700 ways how not to build a lightbulb."

  23. What's really interesting about USA UFO programs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't understand why people are thinking that this is the government looking for vehicles from other planets.

    Yes, they have these programs. Why? Because the USA has black projects on airplanes. The SR-71 used to be a big secret. So the government to some extent probably wanted to know what civivlias from teh ground were seeing. Remember those "triangular shaped UFOs" that were so popular in the 90s? Then remember the USA admitting that this thing called the F-117.

    listen, these programs exist because other countries HAVE THE SAME PROGRAMS. So the USA "intelligence" programs have these "UFO research" programs to gather intelligence on aircraft that are not identified because they are spy planes from other countries.