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'I Tried to Block Amazon From My Life. It Was Impossible.' (gizmodo.com)

Kashmir Hill, a reporter at Gizmodo, spent weeks trying to avoid and block Amazon -- and every service that is owned by Amazon or uses Amazon's web services (AWS). She went to great lengths such as getting her own custom-built VPN. Turns out, it is impossible to keep Amazon off your life. An excerpt from the report: Launched in 2006, AWS has taken over vast swaths of the internet. My VPN winds up blocking over 23 million IP addresses controlled by Amazon, resulting in various unexpected casualties, from Motherboard and Fortune to the U.S. Government Accountability Office's website. (Government agencies love AWS, which is likely why Amazon, soon to be a corporate Cerberus with three "headquarters," chose Arlington, Virginia, in the D.C. suburbs, as one of them.) Many of the smartphone apps I rely on also stop working during the block.

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  1. Block AWS and... by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Weird. Who would think that blocking AWS would block the customers of AWS. What an interesting experiment.

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    1. Re:Block AWS and... by Red_Forman · · Score: 3, Funny

      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.

      Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who was washing Waldo Woo.

      FTFY, dumbass.

  2. If you think that was hard... by Red_Forman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's like complaining you hate your government and then complain you can't drive anywhere because you can't use the roads they built.

    Now if you really want to complain, try living without Google, Microsoft, Apple, Linux and Amazon. Those companies are, like it or not, part of our modern life.

    1. Re:If you think that was hard... by poet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you remove Linux you can not:

      Run an Android phone
      Use In-Flight Entertainment
      Use the Internet AT ALL
      No Netflix
      No Prime
      If you drive a Dodge/Chrysler you can't start your car

      The list just goes on and on.

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    2. Re:If you think that was hard... by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's like complaining you hate your government and then complain you can't drive anywhere because you can't use the roads they built.

      I think that was the point he was trying to make -- Amazon has reached a level similar to government services.

    3. Re:If you think that was hard... by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When did Linux become a company?

    4. Re:If you think that was hard... by LVSlushdat · · Score: 2

      WHO the hell wants to get rid of Linux??? Its my (and a LOT of other people's) saviour in the war against
      Windows 10... I supported Windows (and Linux) for 20 years as a sysadmin, but when I retired in 2010, I
      decided I was done with anything Microsoft. MS was bad enough in the olden days (pre-Windows 10) but
      they've "jumped the shark" on insanity and creepyness... Sooooo glad I escaped its clutches...

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    5. Re: If you think that was hard... by registrations_suck · · Score: 2

      In the U.S, most roads are built by private contractors, using funds derived by private entities paying taxes.

      The government does not build roads, it just acts as a middleman and drives up costs through regulation.

    6. Re:If you think that was hard... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes who can forget the evil Linux megacorporation and their conniving CEO, Dr. Gnu Linux, charging their users so much that they can't afford to shave.

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    7. Re:If you think that was hard... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      I think that was the point he was trying to make -- Amazon has reached a level similar to government services.

      But why is that a bad thing? I would rather get my services from a corporation than from the government. A corporation has a clear motivation to provide high quality service in order to keep my business. The government has no such incentive.

    8. Re: If you think that was hard... by EndlessNameless · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah!

      Like when the government drove up the price on all those interstate highways that private individuals built before the big Eisenhower program nationalized them.

      Seriously, capitalism doesn't solve all problems. It's usually a significant part of the good solutions, but to pretend it's the only answer is disingenuous at best.

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    9. Re: If you think that was hard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I live in Wisconsin. There are no toll roads in Wisconsin. Milwaukee finished the Marquette interchange with no tolls installed. They are finishing the Zoo interchange and again no tolls. In Madison, the beltline highway work is moving west with no tolls installed. One part of the Verona road project finished with no tolls second part is finishing up with no tolls. These interchanges/arteries are the have the most traffic in each of their respective cities. In Illinois, most roads are toll free as well unless you are near or in Chicago.

      I went to Missouri to see the solar eclipse. On the way through Illinois, I think there were two tolls. No tolls in Missouri. When visiting friends in Tennessee, I encountered no tolls in Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio or Tennessee. I've never seen a toll in Iowa, Minnesota, Alabama, Georgia or Florida.

      That is a whole lot of highway with only a few tolls in only one of twelve. Of course things may have changed somewhat since my travels but a majority of them have been within a decade. Where do you live?

    10. Re:If you think that was hard... by dryeo · · Score: 2

      I'd rather get my services from my democratically elected government then a corporate monopoly/duopoly as the government has a clear motivation to provide high quality service to get my vote. The company with no competition has no incentive.

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  3. Antitrust concerns by footNipple · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interesting article. Any US company that is so omnipresent in the lives of its customers and has an active corporate policy to crush or, at least, impede competition does indeed warrant a good look by the US Treasury Department. And I'm not a big government, anti-capitalist kind of guy by any stretch of the imagination.

    1. Re:Antitrust concerns by jcdick1 · · Score: 2

      I don't think the Dept of Justice or Treasury (or Congress or any particular authority) knows what to do with a company that, instead of taking over any one business market as a monopoly, takes only 50% ... of all of them. That could actually be much worse.

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    2. Re:Antitrust concerns by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm pretty sure that was Cornelius Vanderbilt's strategy with railroads in the early 20th century. I think the anti-monopoly laws of the era have some provision for dealing with it because control of the transport network (equivalent of the info network today) was a key strategy.

  4. Oh, nonsense! by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Funny

    Turns out, it is impossible to keep Amazon off your life.

    All you have to do is turn your computer(s) off and leave them off. And yes, your cellphone is a computer....

    Now, if you want to have the conveniences of modern life along with no Amazon, that's another story. Note that she'd have the same sort of difficulties if she tried to get completely away from the electric company....

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  5. I don't think she tried hard enough. by bob4u2c · · Score: 5, Informative

    If she really wanted to be cut off from Amazon, or any company for that matter, its pretty simple. Buy a log cabin in the woods with no power, no internet, cell connectivity, at least 30 miles away from any neighbor. Then Amazon will completely disappear from your life. Of course this presents other problems.

    Seriously why are you trying so hard to block one company or anything they touch? Afraid you'll get cooties? You want all the modern amenities there are things you'll just have to accept. I'm not saying to swallow the Kool-Aid and just go with it, just realize that at some point you are doing business with a company you may not agree with. You can minimize your contact, but you can't really prevent it. Well, I guess there is that log cabin option, but I'm betting thats not an option for you either.

    1. Re:I don't think she tried hard enough. by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The point of cutting off the beast is to learn how far the tentacles reach.

  6. what a mind numbingly stupid exercise by zlives · · Score: 3, Interesting

    " largest cloud provider" then goes to show how cloud services didn't work without it?
    WTF
    its like complaining you can't shit after you sew your ass shut.

    Sorry about the vulgar language but the author clearly wants to converse in this manner.

  7. Re:Strange experiment but WHY? by Aighearach · · Score: 2

    Or even just, cancel both subscriptions.

    Subscribing to a store is idiotic to start with, but choosing it and then whining is much worse.

    And I use scriptblock and also uMatrix; by default a website gets no JS. And if I turn it on for the domain I visited, uMatrix prevents any third-party scripts from running unless I whitelist them.

    And I don't spontaneously combust, or anything like that. Life doesn't stop. I'm still able to acquire whatever information I need.

    The story is exactly the same as, "alcoholic tries for weeks to stay away from alcohol and reports it as being `impwwwwOsible!'" No, that's not what that word means.

    She only even spent $3k, she's paying a 5% premium on her purchases for a membership to the store! If it saved people money, it would make a lot more sense.

  8. Ted Kaczynski by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

    I Tried to Block Amazon From My Life. It Was Impossible.

    Ted Kaczynski wouldn't have had an issue with it. Of course if you like things like running water and electricity. As well as not mailing hand made bombs to people, that life might not be for you.

  9. Re:Strange experiment but WHY? by vux984 · · Score: 2

    "What I woulkd primarily ask, is, well, why?"

    Refusing to do business directly or indirectly (where possible) with a company you dislike for any reason is a perfectly reasonable and rational thing to do. What difference does the reason she wants to block patronizing amazon really make?

    I don't eat at certain restaurants, or purchase goods from certain companies (e.g. sony) myself out of that principle. I likewise block facebook in my browsers, and refuse to use their various apps and services. I avoid indirectly patronizing them as well but realistically... its pretty limited what you can do on that front. But I wouldn't walk out of a friends wedding because the photographer they hired uses sony cameras... because that's basically nuts.

    And likewise she's being a bit of a nutter trying to go so far as to block amazon as a 3rd party host to services and companies. That's like getting into a tiff with Verizon and refusing to deal with any business that uses Verizon mobile or has verizon internet services... or refusing to walk into a government office lit with philips lightbulbs. Its absurd.

  10. Re:Yes, and? That was the point! by Omega+Hacker · · Score: 2

    Except the article's point is both stupid and naive. It's approximately the same as shutting off your city water supply because you're pissed at where they installed bike lanes. That'll show that pesky government!!

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  11. Color me surprised by GrumpySteen · · Score: 4, Funny

    A tech journalist can't avoid the big tech companies due to their career depending on using the technology those companies produce.

    Who would have thought?

  12. Re:Today I learned by Shikaku · · Score: 2
  13. Amazone and the vampire squid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Article summary;
    1. I block Amazon and Amazon AWS cloud sites
    2. I discover how lazy I am - Think about the drudgery of going to a physical store to buy paper towels
    3. I discover how much free data I feed Amazon - $3k+ spent yearly on Amazon.com
    4. I discover how much I'm addicted to voice activated assistants - echo
    5. I discover I buy most video streaming entertainment from Amazon
    6. I have Amazon apps on my phone
    7. I need a fitness tracker app or smart watch to jog in the park

    Simply cut the cord, one by one, to reduce your Amazon footprint. Not hard to do. Go to a physical store, it will reduce what you buy since there is physical work involved in transporting it to your home.

    For sanity checking:
    a. Count the number of interactions via text message, email, app popup, notifications, beeps, etc per day - say X per day
    b. Consider if you got that X interactions all in one avenue - say email each day
    c. Ask yourself, would a sane person read and respond to X emails per day? Or read 50 newspapers per day? Or make/receive hundreds of phone calls each day?

    Just because it's easier to respond to a digital interaction does not mean you need to have that interaction.

  14. It was easy. by jwhyche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A few summers ago I was able to block Google, Amazon, and Netflix for life for just about two week. I left the phone on the counter, no service where I was going. Put the tent, the sleeping back, and supplies in the back of the car. Pointed North and drove off for some hiking and camping.

    Technology doesn't have to enslaved you if you don't want it too. It's just another tool.

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    1. Re:It was easy. by jwhyche · · Score: 3

      I don't think you understand the point. The most high tech thing I had on me was digital watch that told the time/date, and had a stop watch. The whole point of the exerciser was to be as free of technology as possible.

      I would recommend it. Refresh the soul. I'm due for another outing. Time to make some plans.

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    2. Re:It was easy. by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      I listened to Wolfman Jack broadcasting from Tijuana, Mexico when in the California. "Fifty thousand watts of soul power!"

      Now there is a name I've not heard in a long time. I used to listen to Wolfman Jack late nights. It was the only time his show would come through was when the local AM stations had to go to bed for the evening.

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  15. Re:The point is NOT to provide Amazon tracking dat by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It shouldn't be mandatory to use it to access any govt service. Period.

    Give this a little more thought. Must a government website run on government-owned servers, with traffic routed on government-owned lines? Of course not - governments can and do rent space or time in private data centers. Amazon is one of many private data centers.

    My library uses Overdrive to lend ebooks.

    And they probably loan CDs and DVDs and a number of other proprietary formats which require some specific company's technology to use.

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  16. You're missing the point by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    perhaps intentionally.

    There's been a massive consolidation and monopolization push going on for at least 30 years. Companies that were broken up in the 50s and 60s have bought their way back to monopoly status.

    There's several problems with this:

    1. Massive increases in efficiency and outsourcing mean less jobs.
    2. Constant price hikes because of a lack of real competition.
    3. Enormous concentration of political power the likes of which we haven't seen since the robber barons.

    I could go on and on. This is just one example where boycotting doesn't work anymore. It's why folks on the left say capitalism is broken. You literally _can't_ vote with your dollars.

    The closest you could get is to try hiding out in a Nevada desert. Of course as soon as you try to use what little water they have there a mega corp'll want to sue you so they can bottle it and sell it back to you.

    The time is now to regulate and take control of this situation.

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  17. Re:And you came back home at some point by jwhyche · · Score: 2

    Not so much Amazon as Google. I really don't think I rely on Amazon that much. I buy the occasional book from them, and up until a few days I had Amazon prime. I just cancelled it because I really didn't use it that much.

    I doubt I'll do 5 or 10 years but I'm looking at a few months, probably this summer or next. I've been meaning to hike the Application Trail, or at least a good part of it. I also doubt I will be completely technological free during this outing. I might carry a flip phone and a AM radio.

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  18. Re:Amazon must die by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    I remember people used to write that stuff about Walmart.

  19. Re:Today I learned by WaffleMonster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    https://www.linuxfoundation.or...

    Linux is NOT a company.

    Saying Linux is a company because companies exist that support Linux makes no sense whatsoever.

    It's like saying 'Trees' are a company because tree farms exist.

    Did Linux exist prior to Linux foundation? YES.
    Does Linux's continued existence depend on Linux foundation? NO.
    Would Linux exist if the Linux foundation didn't? YES.

  20. Re:The point is NOT to provide Amazon tracking dat by Tom · · Score: 2

    Give this a little more thought. Must a government website run on government-owned servers, with traffic routed on government-owned lines? Of course not - governments can and do rent space or time in private data centers. Amazon is one of many private data centers.

    Yes, but it is something that deserves critical examination.

    The government in my home country keeps a non-profitable coal-mining industry alive through subsidies for strategic reasons - if there ever is a global crisis or war, coal is the only energy source the country has in sufficient quantities.

    Haven't we reached the point where government IT is a strategic element and should be independent from foreign corporations? Sure the US is an ally, but in a global crisis, they'll be their own best friends first.

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