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Wine 4.0 Released With Vulkan Support, Initial Direct3D 12 and Better HiDPI (phoronix.com)
Michael Larabel writes via Phoronix: Wine 4.0 is now officially available as the new annual stable release to Wine for running Windows programs and games on Linux and other operating systems. Following seven weekly release candidates, Wine 4.0 was ready to ship today as judged by Wine founder Alexandre Julliard. Wine 4.0 is a big release bringing initial Vulkan graphics API support, Direct3D CSMT is enabled by default, early Direct3D 12 support via VKD3D, continued HiDPI work, various OpenGL improvements, multi-sample D3D texture support, 64-bit improvements, continued Android support, and much more. The release announcement and notes can be read via WineHQ.org. The source can be downloaded here.
If my wine is not decantered will I suffer?
Will you give me a discount or comp me a desert special?
Or perhaps a coupon for half off an early bird
And if I drink all the wine will my complaint fall on deaf ears?
Or will the gracious bartender look the other way and leave
Behind
A bottle of tequila and a shot glass to share?
Pass the salt
The real question is "how well does it actually work" with mainstream Windows programs like Word/Excel, Photoshop, etc.
I use VirtualBox to run Win7 under Linux Mint, and while some stuff works great, a lot of stuff doesn't.
For example, I can use MS Word under VirtualBox and most things work fine, but do something like update the Table of Contents and *boom* Word crashes.
So...is Wine better, or is Crossover a viable solution?
(I'd happily dump Word/Excel in a heartbeat, but the fact is that some of my clients use Word and they're not gonna change. I need to be able to send them a file that they can use.)
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
A better pairing would be a big Amarone and some MAOIs.
U make me sad :(
[($)]
Burn the bodies then bring me the cold ashes on a silver plate with a glass of chilled Sancerre.
And in other news, TDS is still rampant among the intellectually-challenged.
I'm really excited to see all the work in the Linux world generally on Wayland and GPU and related APIs. The latest versions of wine are actually amazing. One of the issues I've often had was that wine included with most distros is an ancient version many many years old. This gives an impression of the state of the project that is not in line with current reality.
Current version of wine will actually run almost all of my non-game windows software including office which is awesome. I fully plan on ditching Windows for good once W7 is abandoned. Microsoft's behavior is simply unacceptable.
The one piece of Windows software I'd still like to be able to use won't work under WINE because I can't install Java. Will this version support that? From the release notes it doesn't look like it does.
You'd probably be happier if you read more books. ;)
U make me sad :(
So be it. Come, Patsy!
It's called patriots fighting terrorism. You're either with us, or with the fat man.
It is Amarone in the book. It was probably chaged to Chianti, because of the ViewersAreMorons trope
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wine has been trying since at least 1995:
https://wiki.winehq.org/Wine_History
There is not much excitement about any wine release anymore, because long time "users" (and developers) know that the project basically suffers from a big discrepancy between the expectations (Windows applications "just" work, Windows not needed anymore), and the reality of the matter: something might work, for an unknown amount of time, with a variable amount of effort in configuration, code patches, modifications to the original applications etc.
Wine 4.0. Yay.
It's more:
- Do you need a Windows app to run? It's probably cheaper, easier, more manageable and more likely to work if you just buy Windows.
- Do you need to do that on a machine that you don't want to run Windows on? It's probably --all of the above again -- to just buy VMWare or virtualise Windows. VMWare can make Windows-native applications work like Linux-native applications without the desktop at all (i.e. you can drag, overlay, minimise just the window of the Windows program you want, just like it was a native Linux program).
- Do you need to reduce all dependency on Microsoft operating systems (and their associated costs)? Then you're out of luck - most of this stuff is harder to get working and not as good, AND you end up having to install native library via winetricks etc. for almost anything of note. You're still running their software, frameworks, etc.
- Do you need to run some random Windows app that nobody else cares about and is no longer supported on Windows? Chances are a) you really shouldn't and b) that won't work anyway. Even the "big" programs that are free and everyone can run, test and debug have thousands of bugs against them under Wine.
The use-case used to be "you can be a Windows person, and do everything a Windows person could do, without having to run Windows or pay Microsoft". That's just not deliverable. As time goes on, you're going to get further behind, too. I used Crossover for nearly a decade, with Office 2000. It worked. It worked quite well. Everything else was just a waste of time trying, to be honest.
It was actually quicker to wait for Microsoft to re-code and re-release Age of Empires 2 and a modern Windows application (AoE2 HD Edition) than for the original game to become stable and have sufficient performance under Wine as it had on Windows. The AoE2 GDI issues took forever to fix, caused all kinds of performance problems and I'm not even sure if they're solved today... (checks WineHQ... some golds and silvers for various incarnations but the original Age of Kings: Garbage... and ironically with the newest versions of Wine with 64 test results... and lots of winetricks and other workarounds).
If you want old Windows, virtualise.
If you want Windows on your Linux, virtualise.
If you want Windows-to-work-on-nothing-Windows, pretty much you only have one choice and that's poor.
It's a huge undertaking, a constantly-moving target, incredibly difficult, incredibly impressive, etc. etc. etc.
But in terms of "using" it... I paid someone else to make my Word 2000 work on Linux, gave up and used native LibreOffice ever since, and haven't ever used it for anything practical since then. Even SteamOS etc. has only very recently (when they realised that the Windows developers weren't going to re-write their games for it) introduced Wine emulation layers to try to run Windows games on Linux... and that's something Transgaming was doing... what? 15-20 years ago now? And never made a success of. And it only works on a small portion of the titles anyway.
Like ReactOS... it's a hobby project. A huge one with thousands of developers, but a hobby project. The effort would be so much better off elsewhere (e.g. an open-source VMWare that does half what VMWare can do in terms of desktop integration!), but people still bash on it because it's fun to get old games working on Linux.
I think similar to Samba's efforts to be an AD domain controller too... they should have just gone for "file access over the network", the necessary components for that, and then just left it. Dozens of man-years of effort to arrive at something that nobody really wants, deploys, tests or has a use-case for that isn't better catered for by saying "Let's not do Microsoft LDAP/AD" or "Let's just buy Windows Server".
"The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed - the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
...
"Dictators free themselves but they enslave the people! Now let us fight to fulfil that promise! Let us fight to free the world - to do away with national barriers - to do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men’s happiness..."
– Charlie Chaplin, The Great Dictator (1940)
Like ReactOS... it's a hobby project. A huge one with thousands of developers, but a hobby project.
You are greatly overestimating the number of contributors to ReactOS. They have 38 contributors with more than 100 commits and only 55 with more than 10.
The effort would be so much better off elsewhere (e.g. an open-source VMWare that does half what VMWare can do in terms of desktop integration!),
You mean like the open-source VirtualBox and QEmu?
But no virtual machine technology is going to solve our societies utter dependency on Windows. Take away Windows and everything grinds to a halt: no more loan at your bank because the software for that runs on Windows, half the ATMs down, gas pumps too, cashiers at a significant fraction of the supermarkets revert to paper, and in a number of states no election anymore, etc.
And yet there is only one supplier. That would be totally unimaginable for oil, steel or most other critical resources. That's what makes Wine important: it is the only alternative Windows API implementation.