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Apple Might Start Making Its Own Batteries For iPhones, Macs (bloomberg.com)

Apple has hired an executive from the battery-making division of Samsung to help lead its own battery work. The new hire suggests that the company might start making its own batteries for iPhones and Macs. Bloomberg reports: Soonho Ahn joined Apple in December as global head of battery developments, after working as a senior vice president at Samsung SDI since 2015, according to his LinkedIn profile. At Samsung SDI, Ahn led development of lithium battery packs and worked on "next-generation" battery technology, the profile says. Apple has used batteries from Samsung SDI to power its own products in the past. The iPhone maker has been trying to reduce reliance on third-party components, and the notable battery technology hire suggests it may be doing the same for batteries. Apple has been working on its own MicroLED display technology for future devices, which would help wean itself off Samsung in other areas. It's also increasingly building its own processors and is investigating the development of its own cellular modems.

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  1. Proprietary battery ? by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if Apple will develop its own battery format (iBattery ?!?). If they do, I guess that it will be patented and not freely available on the market as a single piece. And so we can say bye-bye to the "right to repair"....

    1. Re:Proprietary battery ? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple has always relied on differentiating its products with unique hardware. Increasingly their competitors are getting ahead now, with things like foldable screens looking like they will be huge and Apple mostly reduced to just removing stuff like the headphone jack.

      By developing their own screens, batteries, modems and other hardware they can differentiate themselves like they do with CPUs now. They have top notch single core performance that lets them look good in benchmarks, and no-one else can simply buy the same CPU.

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    2. Re:Proprietary battery ? by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      AFAIK, Tesla Model S uses NCR18650B cells from Panasonic. And they may actually be available at Walmart inside one of the many forms of battery pack they sell. And if they aren't, they are easily found online.
      So you could conceivably change every individual cell from a Model S battery pack. I wouldn't recommend it for many reasons, one of them being that just buying the cells it will probably cost you more than buying a entirely new battery from Tesla.

      Tesla Model 3 batteries are different. They use 2170 cells specially made for it, though they may eventually become a standard for all EVs.

  2. How can he do that? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

    So how can he just jump ship from one company to another, and start doing the same thing there? What happened to non-compete agreements?

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  4. Bad Link? by necro81 · · Score: 2
    I click the link to TFA, and this is what it resolves to:

    chttps:wwwbloombergcomnewsarticles2019-01-23apple-hires-samsung-battery-executive-to-help-lead-its-own-work

    All the slashes removed. Some weird leading 'c' character. Editors?

  5. Re:learn from the experts by LostMyAccount · · Score: 2

    For all we know, this battery guy was totally opposed to a bunch of engineering decisions in the Note 7 and told the product managers it would be a problem. And then he got overruled because someone else wanted them to reach a specific thickness/power target that resulted in the battery being compromised.

  6. More data points against Apple "leadership" by MikeRT · · Score: 2

    Apple cannot seem to figure out what business it's in. Making their own CPUs makes sense given their history and that they're using an ARM base design. But let's see:

    1. Making original TV/movie content.
    2. Flirting with building cars.
    3. Making components that Samsung does better.
    4. Letting the Mac languish because i* is all that matters now.

    One of these days, they're going to finally try to get into the game market and notice that Microsoft and Nintendo have them outflanked now. When I saw the Switch, I said "Apple's done, they waited too long because that's the gaming tablet people will want."

  7. Ahhh... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    So Foxcon are going to start making batteries now. Good for them! Apple doesn't actually make anything- they design things and hire out other companies to make them for them.

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  8. Good news for the customer by houghi · · Score: 2

    The savings will be passed on to the customer. So cheaper iPhones. Right? Right!? Guys? Am I right?

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  9. Apple vs vertical integration by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple has always relied on differentiating its products with unique hardware.

    You mean unique software. Apple is at its core a software company. This seems counter-intuitive until you think about it for a minute. The hardware in most Apple devices is at best superficially different from the competition and Apple doesn't even manufacture it. Oh they make a big stink about their design as a marketing ploy but it isn't what really makes their products distinct. You can (and I have) put Windows on a Macintosh and the experience is not meaningfully different than on a Dell or HP. Apple differentiates their products primarily through their software. If a Macintosh was sold with Windows they would be unable to command the profit margins they currently do because their hardware is nice but it's not that different or better than their best competition. This is not my opinion either. Steve Jobs understood this thoroughly. I think the current management seems a bit confused about this point.

    Increasingly their competitors are getting ahead now, with things like foldable screens looking like they will be huge and Apple mostly reduced to just removing stuff like the headphone jack.

    Folding screens as they currently stand are a fad that is not ready for prime time. It's a solution looking for a problem. Have you actually seen any of these products? If they are big hits I'll be truly astonished. The idea of a folding device is a good one but the form factors they are throwing out there currently are crap. And if you think Apple isn't taking a hard look at this stuff you are crazy.

    By developing their own screens, batteries, modems and other hardware they can differentiate themselves like they do with CPUs now.

    Certainly they could do this but they'll have to take it a LOT further. And unless they can actually create an improved component (cost and/or features) then there is no reason for them to do it in house. I think carefully curated vertical integration is actually probably a very good idea for Apple like you suggest. Tesla and SpaceX have done this too good effect. Plus one of the problems Apple has is that they do such huge volumes that supply becomes a problem. It's easy to do a folding screen when you only sell a few tens of thousands of devices. Apple sells tens of millions of iPhones which means that simply getting enough of any given component is a huge problem. Vertical integration can be a very good way to handle this issue and I think Apple has outsourced perhaps a bit too much of their hardware manufacturing.

    1. Re:Apple vs vertical integration by StuartHankins · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple supports open source projects such as CUPS, Swift, Bonjour, Webkit... there are quite a few large projects. Check out https://developer.apple.com/op... . They design their own chips which are used in iPhone and iPad devices as well as a security / TouchBar chip used in their laptops. Those chips have industry-leading benchmarks. Other than Samsung they are one of the few that design their own chips.

      Their products ARE different... that's why we buy them. Give them a try and see if it's for you... return them if you don't like them. Not everything is for everybody but lots of people have tried their products and are happy with them. Who knows you may be pleasantly surprised.

    2. Re:Apple vs vertical integration by Daltorak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You mean unique software. Apple is at its core a software company. This seems counter-intuitive until you think about it for a minute. The hardware in most Apple devices is at best superficially different from the competition and Apple doesn't even manufacture it. Oh they make a big stink about their design as a marketing ploy but it isn't what really makes their products distinct. You can (and I have) put Windows on a Macintosh and the experience is not meaningfully different than on a Dell or HP. Apple differentiates their products primarily through their software. If a Macintosh was sold with Windows they would be unable to command the profit margins they currently do because their hardware is nice but it's not that different or better than their best competition.

      This theory ignores the fact that the primary attraction for many Mac users, especially web developers and science/engineering types, is the POSIX underpinnings and the GNU toolchain. Apple did not create POSIX or GNU and do not substantially contribute to the development to them. Their support of CUPS and Clang is welcome and appreciated, and they recently open-sourced FoundationDB, which is nice if Cassandra isn't small-batch-craft-beer-check-shirt enough for your hipster ass..... but.... what else do they do in this space? Almost 100% of people working in these fields could use Linux instead, but they choose macOS because of the well-polished hardware integration, especially the screens, keyboards (maybe less so now) and touchpad.

      Yes, there was a period where Apple was well-defined by great software: The early-mid 2000's. Programs like iPhoto, Garageband, and iMovie cemented their reputation as a company that could create really innovative software that was really easy to use. But that's a long, long time ago now. Here's the reality: There has been exactly one entirely new Mac application from Apple this entire decade. Yes, just one, and you'd never guess it: iBooks Author. That's it. Everything else they've done has been iterating on products from the Steve Jobs era (Mainstage, Motion, iTunes), or doing mediocre ports of mediocre iOS apps, like Homekit and Stocks. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo. Nobody's buying a Mac instead of a Surface because it can run desktop versions of mobile apps.

      Apple isn't exactly the gold standard in pro software either. Most software devs don't love XCode.... Final Cut Pro X isn't capturing converts from Premiere.... Logic is very good but ProTools is still the industry standard.... tons of people choose Office over Pages, Sheets, Keynote and Mail.... Safari is generally considered inferior to Firefox and Chrome....

      Add to that the fact that almost nobody can name a new feature of Mojave other than Dark Mode.... it sure feels like Apple is coasting on their Mac software efforts, not leading.

    3. Re:Apple vs vertical integration by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Apple differentiates their products primarily through their software. If a Macintosh was sold with Windows they would be unable to command the profit margins they currently do because their hardware is nice but it's not that different or better than their best competition.

      This theory ignores the fact that the primary attraction for many Mac users, especially web developers and science/engineering types, is the POSIX underpinnings and the GNU toolchain. Apple did not create POSIX or GNU and do not substantially contribute to the development to them. Their support of CUPS and Clang is welcome and appreciated, and they recently open-sourced FoundationDB, which is nice if Cassandra isn't small-batch-craft-beer-check-shirt enough for your hipster ass..... but.... what else do they do in this space? Almost 100% of people working in these fields could use Linux instead, but they choose macOS because of the well-polished hardware integration, especially the screens, keyboards (maybe less so now) and touchpad.

      Those people probably represent like 5% or less of Mac sales (currently around 8% market share, so 5% of that would be 0.4%, which sounds about right for the number of linux/unix developers vs general user population). The vast majority of Mac buyers buy them because they're easy to use (software), or they're in the art/graphics/photo/video industry and need a calibrated screen (again, software). You can calibrate Windows laptop screens too, Microsoft just doesn't care (Win 10 still has a calibration bug which was introduced in Vista and has gone unfixed - it will dump the calibration profile whenever a UAC popup dims the screen), so companies making calibration software are forced to code work-arounds. Making Windows laptops sub-optimal for people working in those fields.

      The only hardware Apple makes are the Ax processor and the fingerprint sensor (they bought the company who makes those). Everything else is made by ODMs who buy components from other companies and puts them together. An ODM is like an OEM, except they also design the product for you. Quanta is actually the company who makes the Macbooks, and they buy all the components (including the screen, keyboard, and touchpad you tout) from other suppliers. They also make laptops for just about every other major laptop brand, so there's nothing unique or unparalleled about Mac hardware. The secret sauce is all in the software.

      The iPod is a good example. When it was released, CmdrTaco famously said "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame." He scanned only the iPod's hardware specs compared to competitors', and correctly evaluated it as being inferior. What he didn't consider was the software. The Achilles heel of MP3 players up to that point was playlist synchronization between your computer and MP3 player, which back then only had enough storage capacity to hold a dozen or so hours of music so you couldn't just copy over your entire music collection. You had to plug it into your computer, then go through a proprietary interface to copy your songs from your computer to the MP3 player. A method which usually ignored existing playlists you had already created. The iPod introduced iTunes, which neatly solved that problem by storing your playlists within iTunes, so it was always synchronized between your computer and MP3 player. Again, software.

  10. Marketing is not a superpower by sjbe · · Score: 4, Informative

    The fact that you two are confused about the kind of company Apple is means they're quite successful at it. Apple are a marketing company

    I'm sure that bit of nonsense sounded better in your head. You have classic conspiracy theory thinking. For whatever reason you don't like the company. You want to believe that Apple is some master manipulator because you can't quite wrap your head around the idea that they are simply providing good products that people actually want to buy. You don't have to like Apple or their products but spare us your notions that they are some sort of devious marketing company because you sound stupid saying it.

    they license or buy other companies hardware and leach of the open source community for software.

    "Leach the open source community"? The VAST majority of Apple's software is not open source and never will be and they've never pretended otherwise. The do utilize some open source software when it is reasonable to do so and under the terms requested by those who wrote that open source software. They even contribute back to some projects and have some of their own. If they are following the license terms of the software then it's not clear to me what your problem is. If the writers of the software had a problem with it they could have offered a different license.

    As for buying and licensing other companies hardware, please find me a large tech company that doesn't do that and a lot of it. And there is nothing wrong with licensing or buying other company's technology. Not sure why you think this is a problem.

    Then convince you that it's "unique" and "special" with advertisements.

    You seem to be suffering from the delusion that marketing give companies some kind of superpower of influence. In actual fact Apple spends less as a percent of revenue on marketing than most of their peer tech companies including Microsoft, Intel, Google and even Oracle. If they were a "marketing company" as you claim then they would be spending far more on marketing than they actually are. In actual fact they make good products that people demonstrably want and they have one of the strongest brands out there as a result.