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FBI Arrests Trump Associate Roger Stone Over His Communications With WikiLeaks (nytimes.com)
Roger J. Stone Jr., a longtime informal adviser to President Trump, was charged as part of the special counsel investigation over his communications with WikiLeaks, the organization behind the release of thousands of stolen Democratic emails during the 2016 campaign, in an indictment unsealed Friday.
From a report: Mr. Stone was charged with seven counts, including obstruction of an official proceeding, making false statements and witness tampering, according to the special counsel's office. F.B.I. agents arrested Mr. Stone before dawn on Friday at his home in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., and he was expected to appear in a federal courthouse there later in the morning. F.B.I. agents were also seen carting hard drives and other evidence from Mr. Stone's apartment in Harlem.
The indictment is the first in months by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who is investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 election and possible coordination with Trump campaign associates. Citing details in emails and other forms of communications, the indictment suggests Mr. Trump's campaign knew about additional stolen emails before they were released and asked Mr. Stone to find out about them. Moments ago, Stone was released on a $250,000 bond.
The indictment is the first in months by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who is investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 election and possible coordination with Trump campaign associates. Citing details in emails and other forms of communications, the indictment suggests Mr. Trump's campaign knew about additional stolen emails before they were released and asked Mr. Stone to find out about them. Moments ago, Stone was released on a $250,000 bond.
Looks like they're finding a lot of witches.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Why so many lies to the FBI if there was nothing to hide?
Tangential to wikileaks, I imagine. Also because events taking place at the highest level of US politics have such wide-ranging impacts that they are of importance to every field. Even when everyone is sick of hearing about them, they still matter.
And why he would be indicted with stuff instead of other things is because it's a simple charge to make stick - did he lie under oath? Bigly. Did he intimidate a witness / suborn perjury? Yup.
He's going to go jail and the only question is for how long. That depends on his cooperation with the investigation or not.
Well, the DOJ did find Clinton and Kavanaugh innocent of wrong doing.
Clinton: 20+ years of nonstop partisan driven investigations originating from congress and an FBI field office that is widely known for hating Hillary. From the present House minority leader: "We are doing a great job driving her poll numbers down."
Kavanaugh: 4 days including the weekend to make a determination and here is a long list of things you cannot look into.
Yep. The investigations into these two individuals was exactly the same.
Go and read the indictment and stop pretending this was some minor slip-up.
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Another reason to NEVER talk to the FBI without a lawyer.
George Papadopoulos Pled guilty to making false statements to the FBI
Paul Manafort - indicted on a total of 25 different counts related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances.
Rick Gates - pled guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.
Michael Flynn - pled guilty to making false statements to the FBI.
Richard Pinedo: pled guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments
Alex van der Zwaan: pled guilty to making false statements to the FBI
Michael Cohen: pled guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations
Roger Stone: accused Stone of lying to the House Intelligence Committee
The evidence of the text and emails he made are right there in the indictment. The evidence will be easy for any jury or judge to understand. He's toast. It's kind of pathetic to rationalise this away and yet...
Hold on. How the fuck does that dumb analogy have anything to do with the 24-page indictment against Stone. Have you read it?
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
2) Don't talk and Trump will pardon him in a couple of years right before he walks out of the white house.
That's very optimistic. Stone would be betting his freedom and life on that happening. Getting a pardon and Trump serving out his term are not guaranteed at this point. And, guess what happens if anyone finds out that Stone or his lawyers were communicating with Trump or his team to discuss a potential pardon. That's another charge against Trump.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
The same James Comey, former registered Republican, who chose to gratuitously kneecap Hillary's campaign at the last minute, is the one who could not justify bringing charges against Hillary. And you think she benefitted from some kind of privilege in that matter?
Also CNN had staked out Stone's house for days beforehand because they strongly suspected Roger Stone would be arrested. That's good ol' fashioned American hard work, don't Republicans normally pretend to admire that sort of thing?
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
There are other things besides collusion.
There's the basic mistake of attacking every critic including the FBI, the failing NYT, Wapo, every goddam Trump aid, and so on.
Remember that Trump never bothered to replace Obama's staff at the mid-lower levels of government, especially the FBI.
Those people are pranking Trump all over hell's half an acre with leaks and the intent to bolster the indictment count.
Trump has fired all the competent advisers in his hive and is left with celebrities like himself who know nothing about politics.
Pelosi knows where all the dead bodies are. She's got those left-over Obama loyalists aiding her.
It don't get any better than that. Hell, Trunp's core is crumbling and imploding down to a few batshit crazy, rabid certified nut wings.
You know: Like Giuliani.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
The freaky detail on this is that Stone has a richard nixon tattoo (not kidding).
If they get the definitive proof that Trump colluded with Russia then Nixon is going to look a saint in comparison. If Nixon were alive today he'd be excited that he could be on the verge of losing the title of the most vilified President.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
The evidence of the text and emails he made are right there in the indictment. The evidence will be easy for any jury or judge to understand. He's toast. It's kind of pathetic to rationalise this away and yet...
There will be some people who will never admit the world is not flat, that we landed on the moon, that O'Blama is an American Citizen, or that there is any evidence of Russian interference, collusion, or criminal acts. They still think PizzaGate is real.
I read the document. Stone isn't in a real good place, no matter what the kooks think.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
You mean all the NWO operative Generals appointed by the closet faggot Obama after he fired the real Men that were running the military? Yeah, they quit rather than end up at the end of a rope.
I'll just stick to the facts, thanks. Facts like the DNC announced that Russians were responsible for attacking them (unless you're trying to assert that the DNC was never hacked in the first place, in which case good luck explaining away all of that evidence), facts like the numerous Russians who have been indicted or sanctioned by the US, facts like Ms. Butina being charged here after attempting to infiltrate various conservative groups (with mountains of evidence), etc.
Keep your conspiracy theories to yourself, you don't speak for me.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Frankly, until the same standards of justice are applied equally, nobody gives a fuck about these indictments.
You don't speak for anyone else.
Why should we care if Roger Stone lies?
Because doing it was a crime. Try to keep up. The indictment is only 24 pages.
Oh, that's right, that will never happen, because they are not under investigation
2 years of Republican controlled White House and Congress, and no Democrats under investigation. It must be because Mitch McConnell and Trump and his buds are willing to let the Democrats break the law and get away with it. Yeah, that's the most obvious answer. Because they're such great friends.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
You are neglecting some important stuff with Kavanaugh as well.
With Kavanaugh, his "Background check" was limited in scope to the point for the first 3 days of it, they were only allowed to talk to 3 people until it came out at which point they relaxed it somewhat but not really.
At the end of that week, they had over 40 (I think it was over 60 but can't remember) people trying to call them to give them information about how Kavanaugh was lying but the FBI were barred from talking to them, the FBI was also barred from doing any followup questions, talking to all the accusers, talking to Kavanaugh himself, or looking into anything that came up during the hearings such as his repeated acts of perjury.
Quite literally, Bill Cosby and Jared from subway would be considered innocent still if they were given that level of check.
To put this into perspective, we had a JUDGE, interviewing for a spot on the highest court in the land LYING multiple times during the interview on television about minor and major details about his past looking into MAJOR accusation lending even more credibility to those accusations in front of Congress and the Senate. That would have been immediately disqualifying in any credible hearing. As you had a judge committing perjury which is punishable by up to 5 years in prison but he was waved on and the FBI barred from even looking into it.
Clinton was put under a microscope repeatedly and came out, Kavanaugh was held to a lower standard than a drug addict interviewing for a job at a car wash.
And I say this as someone who hates Clinton.
The NY Times article isn't, this Slashdot one indeed is fake news.
"FBI Arrests Trump Associate Roger Stone Over His Communications With WikiLeaks"
Actual counts :
COUNT ONE (Obstruction of Proceeding)
COUNTS TWO THROUGH SIX (False Statements)
COUNT SEVEN (Witness Tampering)
He was arrested because he was too stupid to simply keep his mouth shut, not over his communications with Wikileaks.
> Kavanaugh: 4 days including the weekend to make a determination and here is a long list of things you cannot look into.
That's because exactly one person ever "remembered" them, but then couldn't keep track of what YEAR it was, having given multiple mutually exclusive accounts of many events. NONE of the witnesses provided ANY corroboration of the event whatsoever. She has zero proof that she ever met him. In her Senate testimony, she tried to pin down the date by placing Kav's friend at a grocery store that wasn't built until 4 years later. If this works to sink someone, then I remember you being a pedophile at an unknown date, place and time. Sure, I don't know a damn thing about you, where or when this happened, etc., but who cares about details, right?
Meanwhile with Hillary, we have an email between her & Colin Powell detailing how they both ignored the law and the NSA's advice on computer security, but nobody gives a damn about that because it's "just emails" when we learn how they sold us all out. The same people who scream about Trump don't give a crap when the Washington Post is giving an in-kind, off the records donation of party access to top donors, the documentation of false-flag political violence or anything else because it's okay when they do it.
This stuff is in the emails and FBI records, but you guys won't bother to read them and Comey don't play that, so they'll selectively charge people with lying when it suits them.
Kavanaugh was investigated before every promotion/new position he ever took, including his seat on the DC District Court, once he was nominated the DOJ and Senate dug in again. After they concluded their investigation, a woman came forward from California with some fantastical claims, and then everyone had only a few days (you say 4 days, that sounds right) to investigate the very specific claims against Kavanaugh.
You don't get to be a District Court Judge without your background being fully investigated by the FBI.
As for Hillary, she and her husband repeatedly danced around the edge of seemingly illegal activities - Republicans didn't just "make stuff up" to harass her. She DID use a private email server, she did delete emails that were subpoenaed, she did miraculously invest $1,000 in commodities and made $100,000, in her first and only investment, her subpoenaed Rose Law Firm records disappeared/couldn't be found, then months later, the box of billing records suddenly "appeared" (as if by magic), on a table in the White House Residence, etc.
By comparison, Kavanaugh drank beer in college.
Ken
Obama raked in 2 per year
Yeah, he said little white lies like "If you like your doctor, you can keep them" and "PPACA (Obamacare) won't add one thin dime to the national debt".
Trump lied about what, crowd sizes?
Ken