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Google Displays Fake Phone Numbers For Some Local Businesses In Toronto So They Can Record Calls (thestar.com)

grumpy-cowboy shared this article from the Toronto Star:: A spokesperson for Google has confirmed the service they've launched in Vancouver and Toronto to connect potential customers to trusted service providers funnels customers through ostensibly local phone numbers that are actually owned by Google for the purpose of call monitoring.

Google Local Services is an addition to its search platform that connects potential customers to local service providers who pay for the advertising. It launched in Toronto and Vancouver last December for locksmiths and heating, cooling and ventilation professionals. When someone in Toronto searches for a locksmith, for example, they'll see some service providers with green check marks next to the company name, meaning they've been vetted by Google.

The number next to the listing has a local area code, but that's not the business' real contact info. Instead, it's a dummy Google number that will route you to the business -- after informing you that it will be recording anything you say.

110 comments

  1. The Trumpverse ladies and germs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

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    2. Re: The Trumpverse ladies and germs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

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    3. Re: The Trumpverse ladies and germs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

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    4. Re: The Trumpverse ladies and germs by subie · · Score: 0, Troll

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    5. Re: The Trumpverse ladies and germs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

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    6. Re: The Trumpverse ladies and germs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

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    7. Re: The Trumpverse ladies and germs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

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    8. Re: The Trumpverse ladies and germs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

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    9. Re: The Trumpverse ladies and germs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

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    10. Re: The Trumpverse ladies and germs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

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  2. Nothing unique to Google by Xenx · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    This isn't anything new or unique, except for the part where it says they're vetted by Google. It's no different than any other local exchange number routing to a business and that business announcing they'll record the calls. Anti-recorded calls and anti-Google arguments have their place, but there nothing special here.

    1. Re: Nothing unique to Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      It would be a really handy feature for the battered women shelter

    2. Re:Nothing unique to Google by CaptQuark · · Score: 1

      I don't mind a company displaying a local number for me to call as long as it's evident that the company is located somewhere else. I guess I need to verify the address of a company and not rely on a local number to indicate the company has a presence in the local area. What I don't like is Google providing this local number in exchange for the option to record the call as a third party. I guess by disclosing the call may be recorded it gives me the option to hang up, but I would want to know it is Google recording the call and not the company I am calling.

      I don't mind a company recording my call when I ask to have my carpets cleaned, but I don't think Google needs to know this nor record it.

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    3. Re:Nothing unique to Google by Xenx · · Score: 1

      To each their own on not wanting Google to record the call. However, as Google is vetting the companies it isn't crazy for them to want some QC when it comes to the calls. I'm sure there is more going on with it than only QC, and again I'm not saying people should like it. I'm just pointing out the whole setup isn't just some crazy new idea.

    4. Re:Nothing unique to Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't mind a company displaying a local number to me - as long as I can call them back on that number as needed. Otherwise, what is the point of said local number? (What is the point for ME, not for the company)

      On the more practical side - if they use numbers owned by Google, as opposed to random numbers, then blacklisting will work. Nice.

    5. Re: Nothing unique to Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Im objecting to google recording my phone calls without telling me its google doing it

    6. Re:Nothing unique to Google by DeVilla · · Score: 1

      I'm just pointing out the whole setup isn't just some crazy new idea.

      Honest question. What other 3rd party records random people phone calls to businesses? I'm pretty sure the BBB doesn't. I've heard of having a third party audit for quality, but never quite like this.

    7. Re:Nothing unique to Google by Xenx · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't shock me if one exists, but I definitely wouldn't be able to name anyone. But, that doesn't negate any of it. The only new "idea" is the specific arrangement of the individual ideas. It's like saying the iPhone was some revolutionary new phone idea. They took all the ideas that currently existed and combined them into one phone. They didn't do anything new or exciting. They just packaged it all into one place.

  3. WTF Google?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

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    1. Re: WTF Google?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      What in the fuck are you babbling about, fool?

    2. Re: WTF Google?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like Google intercepted his message...

    3. Re: WTF Google?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an AI configured to post to slashdot. Unfortunately, it came from the creators of Cortana.

    4. Re: WTF Google?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Oh how creepy

    5. Re: WTF Google?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      He should be made a slashdot editor imo

    6. Re: WTF Google?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah this is the max on the creep scale. Shiver

    7. Re: WTF Google?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol like hiding in the closet in the ladies room with duct tape creepy

    8. Re: WTF Google?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's some meaningless copypasta. I've seen this posted in another recent topic.

  4. Commerce is deceit by sgage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey Google, Evil much?

    1. Re:Commerce is deceit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Evil? Shame about those cut brake-lines in GOOGLE buses ... everybody id talking about them. Pollutes the asphalt ya know ... and the famous SanFran macadam mollusc. A computer fella could get his-self hurt on a slippery Bay-area roadway. Guess they carry riders insurance ... well most H1-Bz are not married anyway and the Ameri-veg citizen coders too shy to toot-a-tit. Happy sliding Boscos ....

    2. Re:Commerce is deceit by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Hey Google, Evil much?

      Why do you think that'll bothere them? They dropped that motto about not being evil a while back.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
  5. One way to fight scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Search for Locksmith Google Maps -- https://www.google.com/search?q=locksmith+google+maps -- you'll find lots of news articles about scams.

    This is one way that Google Maps team is attempting to protect its users. It's a constant battle.

    Posting as A/C because I work for Google.

    1. Re:One way to fight scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS. If they wanted to protect the users they could valid the info (either the way they are for this "service" or via other means) and NOT require the number to filter via a number the business doesn't own and record the call.

    2. Re:One way to fight scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugh validate not valid. Didn't realize that got cut short

    3. Re: One way to fight scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is able to validate the number because they own it, and are the ones who route the call to the business.

      The number isn't fake, it's real, and the only thing which makes this different than any other 3rd party call handling service is the "validated" in the search results.

    4. Re: One way to fight scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Google could validate the actual legit phone number for the company too, instead of being a proxy in the middle and recording the stuff for their own gains.

    5. Re: One way to fight scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      On one hand, you have Google with their gains.

      On the other, you now have a 3rd party company that can access customer conversations and determine if something is reported

    6. Re:One way to fight scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      This google act is itself a scam. Advertising a business with a fake number with the goal of intercepting potential customers details?
      What if I posted an ad with a local tyre shop's details and my number, so I can suggest an alternate shop to the callers? Would that be legit?

    7. Re:One way to fight scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Identity verified and confirmed. Welcome back!

    8. Re:One way to fight scams by Xenx · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except, that isn't whats happening here. The businesses are signing up for the service. As such, Google is providing the service for the business at their request. Whether the business fully understands what they've signed up for is a different issue, and not one I would want to blame on Google or the business as I don't know the details.

    9. Re: One way to fight scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if Angie's list and the like can verify and validate companies and not tap the lines to record the calls, analyze, potentially have more info to spam people with ads or sell off, there's no reason Google can't validate the business and its own local phone number rather than doing this.

    10. Re:One way to fight scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see why I would want to sign up an advertiser that DOESN'T give out my phone number ;P

    11. Re:One way to fight scams by Xenx · · Score: 1

      Well, according to what that particular business owner said.... it brought in a lot more business.... So.....

  6. But why? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are only handful of possible reasons I can think of for Google doing this:

    * This is a trial run to verify rating information before mass deployment (seems like an unlikely venue for such a thing).
    * They are gathering data to improve a real-time English-French translation project. (real possibility)
    * They are gathering data of common questions people call and ask to put on their site. (real possibility)
    * They are gathering data to improve their voice tech (that everyone thought was creepy and nobody wanted) that is intended to interact with shops. (seems unlikely now)
    * They got wind of Canada's plan for world domination and they want in. ;)

    Any other ideas why they would do this?

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    Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    1. Re:But why? by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Voice prints.
      Ads. Tracking.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re:But why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not sure why they're recording calls, but they want to provide phone numbers for advertised businesses in order to sell more ad subscriptions. Every time someone calls one of these numbers, it's a hit for their analytics campaign that they then deliver to their subscribers as a reason to continue spending money.

    3. Re:But why? by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      You're making this too complicated.

      By connecting unique advertisements to unique phone numbers, Google can track how effective the ads are.

      Also, because those phone numbers are owned by Google, not the locksmiths. And since Google Ad Words has auctions to determine how much its advertisements should cost. Google can effectively fire existing customers who do not pay them enough money, forcibly take their assigned phone number(s), and reassign any incoming leads to other local locksmiths who are willing to pay Google more money.

    4. Re: But why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be evil. Make things too complicated. Light cigars with hundred dollar bills

    5. Re:But why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The businesses listed are generally really high in scamming/defrauding customers. As an example, most locksmiths aren't actually certified (you are looking at like 80% fraud). They just bring a tool and drill your locks off and then charge you an extremely high fee to replace the lock. I imagine Google is trying to limit this activity and doing an extra level of vetting and user protection.

      Most emergency businesses have a high level of people actively defrauding customers. Yes heating & cooling fits into that because people's air conditions/furnaces break and people need them right away.

    6. Re: But why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt google adds any value to dealing with bad locksmiths

    7. Re:But why? by markdavis · · Score: 2

      >"By connecting unique advertisements to unique phone numbers, Google can track how effective the ads are."

      None of which requires RECORDING the conversation. That is MY problem with the concept.

    8. Re: But why? by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      Stalking. Because that's just what Big Brother Google does. The Goog likes to watch. Like a creepy stalker hiding in the shrubbery.

    9. Re:But why? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      * They are gathering data to improve their voice tech (that everyone thought was creepy and nobody wanted) that is intended to interact with shops.

      Speaking of creepy voice tech... I recently called a doctor’s office - a specialist I’d just recently seen for the first time - to reschedule an appointment. A woman answered. Every time I’d make a statement (e.g. “I need to reschedule an appointment”) there’s be a pause of a couple seconds, then I’d get a response that was accurate but seemed stilted and a little off. The reschedule was successful, but the whole thing just came across as weird.

      It sure seemed to me like I was interacting with a bot, but I haven’t heard about this tech actually being deployed before.

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      #DeleteChrome
    10. Re:But why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How are they going to get the sekret passwords used for security verification if they do not record the conversation?

    11. Re:But why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They screw the business.
      Proxying the call means when I call bodyshop, google will know I am in need of bodywork. And it will show me a ton of ads for the competitors of the shop I called.
      Listening in will even tell google the size of the potential business, the make of the car, etc.

    12. Re:But why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Anything you say can and will be used against you"

    13. Re:But why? by Xenx · · Score: 1

      Take anything PR says with a grain of salt, but they do state why. It's for quality control, spam prevention, and to facilitate money-back requests. As this is an advertising service provided by Google, those all seem reasonable. The recording message also mentions it's for research.

    14. Re:But why? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      You can bet the information is also used to gather voice samples to improve Google Home voice recognition. (Remember, Alphabet's privacy policy allows sharing of information across all Alphabet companies).

    15. Re:But why? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Who cares why, when it is obviously nefarious? It's clearly fraud to willfully claim that your phone number is someone else's phone number for personal gain, and what they are gaining is a complete record of a conversation with a business. That has numerous obvious commercial purposes. This should produce a slam-dunk class action lawsuit against Google.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    16. Re:But why? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Speaking of creepy voice tech... I recently called a doctorâ(TM)s office - a specialist Iâ(TM)d just recently seen for the first time - to reschedule an appointment. A woman answered. Every time Iâ(TM)d make a statement (e.g. âoeI need to reschedule an appointmentâ) thereâ(TM)s be a pause of a couple seconds, then Iâ(TM)d get a response that was accurate but seemed stilted and a little off. The reschedule was successful, but the whole thing just came across as weird.

      It sure seemed to me like I was interacting with a bot, but I havenâ(TM)t heard about this tech actually being deployed before.

      Or maybe the receptionist was stoned out of her gourd.

    17. Re: But why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Showing a number for the business that is different from their actual (and official) contact number is deceptive at best. People should have the option to call without being recorded - the small business typically would not record all incoming calls, even for initial leads.

      Not having used the service I don't know how much consumers are informed about what the recordings are being used for. Based on past experience (knowing they like to keep qualifiers on phone calls as short as possible) I'd guess it's vaguely about improving service. Which, given you're now interacting with a Google service and the SMB you contacted, isn't straight forward.

      These alternate uses (improving voice recognition, creating new bots, or voice printing people) are plausible and very likely given Google's history and plan to improve everything with AI. I hope there are serious inquiries to what is actually going on behind the scenes by regulators and the public.

    18. Re: But why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "research" = anything and everything Google wants to try.

    19. Re:But why? by rnturn · · Score: 1

      ``Speaking of creepy voice tech... I recently called a doctorâ(TM)s office - a specialist Iâ(TM)d just recently seen for the first time - to reschedule an appointment. A woman answered. Every time Iâ(TM)d make a statement (e.g. `I need to reschedule an appointment') thereâ(TM)s be a pause of a couple seconds, then Iâ(TM)d get a response that was accurate but seemed stilted and a little off.''

      My favorite--because it's so laughable--variant of this is the automated response that follows up every voice response with something like "OK... hang on while I look up your information..." followed by fake typing sounds. One day I'll listen more carefully to see if I can detect whether the typing sounds exactly the same each time.

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      CUR ALLOC 20195.....5804M
    20. Re:But why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or anyway, there's an opportunity to claim the right to record the calls. So, they'd better claim it and make people believe this is a new normal. In another century we would have called this surveillance or eavesdropping.
      You will likely tell a locksmith your address, plus Google gets your phone number.
      So Google may get to link a phone number, street address and voice print, and I wonder how well that works legally - you don't sign a EULA when calling a phone number. But I suppose this is another example of Google stuff specific to North America or in fact US + Canada.

      I now want to get a physical copy of yellow pages for my region, because
      - I'd be able to sit at a dining table and look at businesses, both advertised and listed ones
      - maybe I could call some of them and ask for a job or advice
      - I can read a list rather than zooming and scrolling a computer map endlessly

    21. Re: But why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Because when he owns the information oh~, he can bend it all he wants"

      The future for many of these services is the service knows everything about you, and you know absolutely nothing about anything. So that if the service desires, it can isolate you in a way never before possible. You can still breathe when isolated, but no-one can hear your screams. Want out of the service's isolation? Do as they say without question.

      These kinds of "services" that Google is providing need to be outlawed. They control too much information over the public. A single business getting everywhere and doing everything is bad for the economy and society in general.

  7. This is actually very common.. by poptix · · Score: 2

    Companies like Service Titan and Jobber do this too. It allows the person taking the call to receive a popup in their web browser with customer details (particularly useful for repeat customers). It's also handy to be able to review the call after the fact for details about the job without bothering the customer.

    There's nothing malicious here, phone numbers haven't been 'local' since the FCC mandated number portability.

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    Just because you disagree doesn't mean it's not true.
    1. Re:This is actually very common.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The FCC has no jurisdiction in Canada, so anything the FCC mandates is irrelevant.

    2. Re:This is actually very common.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Like you, i enjoy slashdot articles which clearly say things like "TORONTO" but yet someone posts about US laws, US regulators, etc.

      Canada also has phone number portability, but this was mandated by the CRTC.

      https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/phone/m...

    3. Re:This is actually very common.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CRTC? Do many beavers have phones?

    4. Re:This is actually very common.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except the companies have employed those services for those features. This is Google doing it to whomever they want to. And remember how often Google likes to kill its services. When I call a service tech I add them to my contacts list. This service will both prevent the phone from showing the proper number when they call me back and the phone number I saved isn't guaranteed to always be connected to the same company and may also stop working at any time. If you've ever used Google Voice you'd know their numbers swap around like load balancers.

      I wish there was an alternative to Google Voice so I could drop them over this. Any suggestions?

    5. Re: This is actually very common.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! When someone calls give them your real number and tell them to call you on it

    6. Re:This is actually very common.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where does it say they're doing it for whoever they want? The article says it's a service that the company pays for as part of their advertising package.

    7. Re: This is actually very common.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you have no need to do any business with any company for any reason at all including that google is spying on you

    8. Re: This is actually very common.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should though have the decency to call the company on their Google-phone and tell them why you passed them up.

    9. Re: This is actually very common.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah I owe google the favor of calling their stupid number. No thanks

  8. Oh the humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The other day I used one of these numbers to order a new toque because I had accidentally dropped my previous one into my poutine after a long night of pounding a few Molsons. Imagine my surprise when I found out I was being spied on. I nearly choked on my Shreddies while sitting on my chesterfield.

    1. Re: Oh the humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is the worst possible behavior by a company.

    2. Re:Oh the humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine my surprise when I found out I was being spied on.

      Does it still count as spying if they tell you that they're listening?

    3. Re: Oh the humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is the worst possible behavior by a company.

      Really? Really? "Worst possible behavior"? You can't imagine any possible way that Google could be doing this worse?

      Take your hyperbole and exaggerated indignation to Twitter or Facebook where it belongs.

    4. Re: Oh the humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Oh sorry did he not pay you for a blow job?

    5. Re: Oh the humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1-888-BLOW-JOBS
      50% off mention google

  9. Perfidious SKULKING Joogle JUDEN!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.

    Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.

    This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):

    Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):

    1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

    2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

    3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

    4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

    5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

    6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

    7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

    8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

    9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

    10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

    11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

    12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

    13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

    14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

    15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

    16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

    17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

    18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

    19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

    20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

    21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen H

  10. Google will make big money from this. by swell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a valuable service for which Google will be well paid. Google knows the customer, Google knows the company, and both trust Google. Google can help make the sale and the company will pay far more than a for regular ad in search results.

    This is a simple extension of a long existing referral method. Decades ago I was a building contractor doing well, having fun. Then I had an opportunity to contract with Sears; the biggest and most trusted retailer in the US. Sounded great. They put a phone in my office and whenever it rang, I responded with the Sears name. The phone rang a lot and I got lots of work from those Sears customers.

    But Sears took 25% of the gross sale. So I had to charge their customers a lot more than my customers. They trusted Sears and it cost them plenty. Today the Home Depot stores offer similar services delivered by outside companies. Beware of high prices but expect good service.

    Google will be well paid for this service also.

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    1. Re: Google will make big money from this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I certainly will not be paying google for anything ever

    2. Re: Google will make big money from this. by Xenx · · Score: 1

      Whether you pay Google directly or not doesn't change whether Google makes money off you indirectly. And, I'm not talking about any info they have on you being sold. If any business you purchase from advertises(or advertised) through Google, your money went towards that. My point isn't that you're funding Google, but that they're not really making their money off of you paying them directly.

    3. Re: Google will make big money from this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google uses search to control what you see and what you buy and does try to get your money either directly or indirectly through all their products and they would never tell you

    4. Re: Google will make big money from this. by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Never tell you? They are actually quite transparent about that.
      By going to the Google ads website you can see about how much ads cost, Google's share, have a vague idea about how targeting works. Same thing for YouTube videos, Play Store purchases, etc... You can see the details of the data they collect about you (location, search history,...). They are also a public company and you can easily find the financials.

      They are really secretive about the technical details but they don't try to hide how they make money off you.

    5. Re:Google will make big money from this. by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      You went a bit far with the both trust Google part. I'm sure that some do and many don't care. There are some, like myself, that trust them as far as I could throw their HQ. Of course that's still more than I trust Facebook.

      Your scenario doesn't explain why they need to record your call.

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  12. I do that all the time... by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...when a company says that they may/are recording I say "So am I!" whether I am or not. The skeevier places will immediately hang up.

    1. Re: I do that all the time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh totally. I do the same thing. You can practically hear them shit their pants while they hang up

    2. Re:I do that all the time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in CA, a two-party consent state and I'm saying "California is a two-party consent state and I do not consent to being recorded!"

      So far, my sample size of one "robocall" has hung up on me. I'm gonna need a bigger sample probably, but I think it might actually work.

  13. Not just Canada by tgetzoya · · Score: 1

    Happened to me on Wednesday, and Iâ(TM)m in Texas.

    1. Re: Not just Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh well Just call on Sunday! =) all google does on Sunday is pick scabs

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  15. Click-bait headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... will route you to the business ...

    Someone calls a local plumber and gets connected to their chosen plumber: Which part of that is fake? Google admits they own the displayed number: What part of that is deceptive?

    Phone numbers are fake when a caller/receiver claims to be local but isn't. That doesn't seem to be happening here. This is a click-bait headline from Editor David.

  16. Um, what? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 0

    How is it fake if it connects to the business? That's like saying my home phone number is fake because at&t isn't headquartered in my town

    1. Re: Um, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine I own a website with your profile and phone number on it. Now suddenly I switch your phone number to my phone number and then connect callers to you. Sure, it still gets to you but I am doing this without your consent.

  17. Hang up by markdavis · · Score: 1

    >"it's a dummy Google number that will route you to the business -- after informing you that it will be recording anything you say."

    At which point I would hang up and find some other business or listing. How ridiculous.

    1. Re:Hang up by markdavis · · Score: 2

      >"How is it fake if it connects to the business?"

      At least partially fake, if not mostly, because you are being connected to someone you didn't mean or want to call. Deception was involved. And then to have them record the call it is just icing on the cake.

  18. Because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    * They can collect call(conversion) metrics generated by their advertising.

    * They have a record(ing) of the interaction with the company that they vetted and recommended to a consumer.

    * They can lock in the advertiser, since the local Google number goes away when they discontinue their advertising and Google now has a bunch of consumers calling a particular number for a particular service. How much would a competing plumber pay to be on the receiving end of that number?

  19. Don't stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When you stop you lose ownership of your Google number and your business is screwed

  20. We used to call this Google Voice by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

    In fact almost everybody uses it. You get a Google Voice number and it can ring your office phone, your mobile phone, and an app on your computer all at once. That way you are always reachable. And it has a call recording feature. So the only thing here that is different is that the call is automatically recorded. There are some places where non-local calls actually still cost incremental money so putting the area code in the customer's locale makes sense. This is a yawner or a story.

    1. Re:We used to call this Google Voice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact almost everybody uses it. [snip]

      Oversimplyfying / igoring much ?

      The difference is that your "everyone uses it" is just call-forwarding with noone listening in, as opposed to Google as a "third person" (MITM ?) who keeps on the line with no benefit to the caller - but he doesn't get asked anyway.

      I wonder what the different countries wire-tapping / conversation recording laws have to say about it ...

    2. Re:We used to call this Google Voice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What sort of idiot uses google voice?

  21. Google is a surveillance capitalist company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their modus operandi is "grab motherfucking everything".

  22. Goggle isn't the only search engine out there. by rnturn · · Score: 1

    Just sayin'.

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    1. Re:Goggle isn't the only search engine out there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just sayin'.

      What! Google is a search engine? I thought they were a data hoarding ad company.

  23. Does the Phone # Stay Just For the Ad by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    I'm wondering if the Google phone number stays just for the ad because that could create some awkward situations. Say I call up a locksmith and it's during the last week of their ad campaign. I make an appointment for them to drop by the next week to change some locks but I need to change the appointment the day before. So I've added the number to my contacts list because I didn't know it was a special number and I dial it and get a tattoo parlour or a competitor.

  24. I first saw this back in Oct '17 for a Texas comp. by Linux_Bastard · · Score: 1

    Using Chrome, I googled a Texas company and went to their website. I called the number listed there and got the "This call may be recorded" message before it started ringing through to the real company. When they answered, I hung up.
    Then I dug the real number out of my phone and called them back. I spoke to the owner of this small company, and they had no idea that it was happening. Later she reported to me that their site builder had no idea what it could be.
    So I did a little testing.

    The only browser that changed the displayed phone number was Chrome. It was listed correctly on all the other browsers.

    I then compared the html from Chrome and others, and there was an odd call replacing the static phone numbers from the original html.
    Not sure where this was coming from, either from the hosting site or the site generator, or google, I just mentaly flagged Chrome as suspect/venerable, and stopped using it except in static VM's (needed hangouts for work). I never did find anyone else who had noticed this behavior, or see it reported other places before.
    This is not exactly cogent to the OP, but I thought the audience would be the right sort of people to hear of it.

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