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Foxconn Says It Will Build Wisconsin Factory After All (cbsnews.com)

Citing a phone conversation with President Trump, Foxconn said it will proceed with plans to build a government-subsidized plant in Wisconsin to make liquid crystal display screens. The news capped a week of reversals about the Taiwanese company's plans in the state. CBS News reports: Foxconn drew headlines in 2017 when it said the company would invest $10 billion in Wisconsin and hire 13,000 people to build a factory to make screens for televisions and other devices. State leaders offered nearly $4 billion in tax incentives to help seal the deal. Last year Foxconn said it would reduce the scale of the factory from what is known as a "Gen 10" factory to "Gen 6". But this week, Foxconn executive Louis Woo seemed to move away from a factory altogether, saying the company couldn't compete in the TV screen market and would not be making LCD panels in Wisconsin.

On Friday, in yet another twist, Foxconn said that, after discussions with the White House and a personal conversation between Mr. Trump and Foxconn chairman Terry Gou, it will proceed with the smaller manufacturing facility. Woo told Reuters earlier this week that about three-quarters of workers in Wisconsin would be in research and development, not manufacturing, and that the facility would be more of a research hub. Foxconn, the world's largest electronics company, said Friday the campus would house both an advanced manufacturing facility and a center of "technology innovation for the region."

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  1. Tech for the region? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Wisconsin?

    Some form of high tech booze? Perhaps an autonomous glass, that keeps pouring it down you, after you (pass out/puke/piss yourself)?

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  2. I-94 to be tolled in 202x? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    I-94 to be tolled in 202x?

    1. Re: I-94 to be tolled in 202x? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The stretch of I-94 from Minneapolis to Chicago has got to be the most boring stretch of road in the country.

    2. Re: I-94 to be tolled in 202x? by bobstreo · · Score: 1

      The stretch of I-94 from Minneapolis to Chicago has got to be the most boring stretch of road in the country.

      Clearly you have never driven on the New York State Thruway.

    3. Re: I-94 to be tolled in 202x? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Isn't that I-87? Pfft, GTFO the both of you; try the stretch of nothingness between I-40 between 'Okra-homo Shittie' and Amarillah... or just drive I-70 across Kansas.

    4. Re: I-94 to be tolled in 202x? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha! I-80 across Nebraska FTW! Reminds me of my favorite line from the Unforgiven movie - "I thought I was dead too, Bob! Turns out it was just that I was in Nebraska"

    5. Re: I-94 to be tolled in 202x? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Never been to NE but I try to cross Kansas at night so I don't have to watch between the passing stalks for the Children of the Corn...

    6. Re: I-94 to be tolled in 202x? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Of course it's all wheat and people with plaid, tucked-in shirts but still.

    7. Re: I-94 to be tolled in 202x? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely! Illinois loves it's tolls, it just doesn't like to pay to get them fixed.

  3. Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    13,000 more minimum wage jobs... Just what WI needs.

    1. Re:Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Peak Libtard reached again.

    2. Re:Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      13,000 minimum wage jobs is better than none at all.

    3. Re:Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wisconsin minimum wage is currently $7.25. That's about $15,000 per year for working 40 hours a week.

      How long will it take Wisconsin to recoup that $4.1 billion in tax incentives? Never.

      https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/29/18027032/foxconn-wisconsin-plant-jobs-deal-subsidy-governor-scott-walker

      Some doubt the subsidy will ever actually be recouped. “Realistically, the payback period for a $100,000 per job deal is not 20 years, not 42 years, but somewhere between hundreds of years and never,” wrote Jeffrey Dorfman, an economics professor at the University of Georgia, in a story for Forbes. “At $230,000 [or more] per job, there is no hope of recapturing the state funds spent.” And this was before the subsidy had risen to $4.1 billion, or about $315,000 per job.

      It's a poor use of taxpayer money.

    4. Re: Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very important point. I would not think they would receive the same subsidies due to the downgrade in size and scope. If I am wrong, then I need to start a business that moves around just to get state subsidies and never build anything.

  4. There's your problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    State leaders offered nearly $4 billion in tax incentives to help seal the deal.

    Unless you got that shit in writing, you honestly expect a corporation to actually do what they promise?

    If you are stupid enough to give away $4 billion in incentives without a fairly detailed agreement, you're too stupid to be in the position of offering $4 billion in incentives in the first place.

    Surely they have a written agreement with penalties spelled out, right?

    Or have they just played everyone?

    1. Re: There's your problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I imagine there is no government that would give out that kind of money without a huge legal document being signed by many officers of the company and put out for detailed legal review. If you want to make fun of government and pretend they are stupid go ahead.

    2. Re: There's your problem ... by makerfixer · · Score: 1

      Written agreement with specific performance and job creation goals or no money was a part of the deal fully negotiated. Some people are upset about the utility upgrades made to the area, but it is the fastest growing corridor in the state anyway.

  5. Everytime FoxCon makes another annoucement by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    reduce their tax credits by $500 Million.

    1. Re:Everytime FoxCon makes another annoucement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      reduce their tax credits by $500 Million.

      I suspect it may related to the bigger Trump/China trade war. Appeasing him may just be the lesser cost of doing business. Trump doesn't necessarily care if problems are fixed, as long as he can say he fixed them, and the people he wanted to believe the bullshit believe it.

      To an extent, this is what you get when you get a weak president like Trump with no morals. People and countries start figuring out how to play him, and America gets the bill. If you think about it. The wall is similar. It is spending a disproportionate amount of money to address a problem that isn't that bad in a fairly inefficient way. In short, when you elect a con man, you get variations on bridges to nowhere.

      Of course in some way I think we ought to make the wall. Let it waste money. Let it be something seen from space to remind us for the next ten generations of the consequences of trusting a con man. That might be the key value of the wall. It should, if built, be sign of shame for our country. That we could come so far from the America the land of promise; the shining city on the hill; tear down that wall; to this is our shame.

    2. Re:Everytime FoxCon makes another annoucement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No counter argument, just a down mod huh? Oh well.

    3. Re: Everytime FoxCon makes another annoucement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was just Orange Man Bad! There was no argument. You hate Trump. Ok. You have that right. (Even though we have been told Trump=Hitler, which if true would get you executed instead of schooled on /.)

      But hating trump is not a point. There is nothing to argue with. Here I will give the logical counter argument: no, you do not hate trump.

      Happy now?

      If you want a real debate then say something intelligent and coherent.

    4. Re: Everytime FoxCon makes another annoucement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing. That money was sent literally in the dark of night to Iran in unmarked cash.

    5. Re:Everytime FoxCon makes another annoucement by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Of course in some way I think we ought to make the wall. Let it waste money. Let it be something seen from space to remind us for the next ten generations of the consequences of trusting a con man. That might be the key value of the wall.

      If China's wall (Make America Great Wall Again?) doesn't fulfill that purpose, then what hope do Trump's steel slats have?

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    6. Re: Everytime FoxCon makes another annoucement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was nothing in there that said orange man bad. He listed points that you CHOOSE to ignore. Scream fake news some more. Your kind are dead anyway, only a matter of time.

      So once again, a trumptard has nothing to say, and knows he is wrong, but wants to appear to be right so they just type "orange man bad". That makes them feel superior.

      You trumptards aren't very smart.

  6. Nice Job Libtards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Celebrated a little too soon, huh? Your President Trump wins again. Of course, it's a little questionable how happy you anti-American scum gets whenever billion dollar business deals get cancelled and thousands of Americans lose their jobs.

    1. Re:Nice Job Libtards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Take a chill pill Mao Zedong

    2. Re: Nice Job Libtards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weâ(TM)re you born loving a big black D in your mouth?

    3. Re:Nice Job Libtards by thegarbz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      and thousands of Americans lose their jobs.

      That's adorable. You think this will actually bring thousands of Americans jobs. It's okay we can pay for it with that incredible budget surplus we have, right?

      Although you are right about one thing. Trump wins again. I wonder what fancy concession he got now? A new casino in China maybe? Or maybe a new investment into another one of his shitty enterprises like the last "win" he had when negotiating with the Chinese?

      Trump has always "won". It's America that gets screwed in the process.

    4. Re:Nice Job Libtards by gtall · · Score: 1

      Trump's win is merely the headlines. He's easily satisfied.

    5. Re: Nice Job Libtards by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      So it's a win that foxconn reduces their investment but still get the huge tax incentives? How many R&D positions do you think they will have for LCD technology?

      --
      "Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
    6. Re:Nice Job Libtards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are the reason people are "anti-American".

    7. Re:Nice Job Libtards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Good, good! Let the hate flow through you"

    8. Re: Nice Job Libtards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. It's hard to love America when they keep doing stupid shit like this.

      - an American.

    9. Re:Nice Job Libtards by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      He's easily satisfied.

      Hey I'd be easily satisfied too if every time I made a phone call with the Chinese I end up with a 9 figure investment in one of my pet projects.

    10. Re:Nice Job Libtards by DeVilla · · Score: 1

      Are you sure wouldn't rather see the money go into some politicial's vanity "charity" foundation?

    11. Re: Nice Job Libtards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not one job has been produced. It's all empty gestures and fake promises. But keep thinking that "you're winning"

      You faggots are slowly killing America.

  7. Just a stall tactic to weather over the criticism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suddenly Foxconn has determined it will be profitable to staff an Asian sweatshop with Americans? I don't think so.

  8. Re:ORANGE MAN GOOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suck it, libs.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/31/business/electrolux-frigidaire-memphis-plant-manufacturing/index.html

    So much fucking win I can't stand it!!!ONE!!!!121111

    Fuck fuck fuckity fuck fuck all conservatives must fucking HANG

  9. Trump Fucks American Workers Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    So, Foxconn says "hey, we can't really afford to manufacture in the US, so we'll just make it an R&D center instead, with MUCH MORE HIGHLY PAYING JOBS for engineers, scientists, and we'll do some low-level assembly too for the blue collar folks."

    Which was, in all honesty, a MUCH better deal for Wisconsin.

    And of course, Trump, not to be outdone in his quest to destroy America, swoops in and convinces them to do those high-paying engineering jobs somewhere else, and go back to the plan of dead end manufacturing jobs that will disappear the moment the tax abatements do.

    Nice job you fucking cheeto-faced piece of shit.

  10. Re:When bad ideas win by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    They should nix Foxconn and just give the money directly to those a factory would create jobs for...

    If the facility is never built, and no one is ever hired, how do you know who the hypothetical workers would have been?

    Maybe they could just run a lottery, and give away tax dollars to random people. That would have the same overall effect.

  11. Talk is cheap, and quiets outrage by barc0001 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Look at Foxconn's track record in other countries to see how this will all shake out in the end. They promise the world to get tax breaks and incentives and invariably scale back during the actual build and startup.

    Right now there's a media firestorm and even Trump got dragged into it again so of course Foxconn can say they'll do the full factory to calm everything down, even though last week they were saying there's no profit to building LCD panels in the US. Talk. Is. Cheap. Let's wait and see what they actually end up doing. I bet it won't be anything close to what the talk promised. Just like in Brazil and Indonesia.

    1. Re:Talk is cheap, and quiets outrage by gtall · · Score: 1

      Trump didn't get dragged into it again, he ran toward it. He realized another soundbite could be had by "talking" to Foxconn and getting some magic beans promised in return. He's happy.

  12. Re:Third World COuntry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Right! Wisconsin people should learn to code and send those factory jobs overseas. Nobody should have a starter career.

  13. Re:ORANGE MAN GOOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come get some, Nancy. I bet my Smith & Wesson .357 hits harder than your Dooney & Bourke purse.

  14. Re:Ummm.... Not quite what FoxCOn actually said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Don't feed the NPC

  15. payoff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i wonder how much the American people will have to pay this time to cover up Trump's embarrassing failure at deal-making?

  16. I came here to say this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but you nailed it.

  17. Putting the Con in FoxCon by goombah99 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    What part of foxy and con does il Cheeto not understand. Probably all of it.

    --
    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
    1. Re:Putting the Con in FoxCon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lolololololollolololololol You are sooooo funny!!!! Sorry I'm all out of mod points : { /s

  18. Re: Third World COuntry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or you could work hard in school and learn useful skills. When people work shitty jobs, it almost always comes back to their terrible life choices. Am I supposed to feel bad for people who chose not to work hard?

  19. I camer here to say this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but you nailed it.

  20. No they won't... by sargeUSMC · · Score: 1, Interesting

    They're just running out the Trump clock here...

  21. What is I do not like Apple by guitarsynth · · Score: 1

    What if I do not like the deal maker,oh well.

  22. Someone check my math here.... by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    4 billion, divided by 13,000 employees is $307,692 per employee.
    At $15/hr, that's 20,513 hours of wages
    At 2080 work hrs per year that's a smidge under 10 years

    So we're giving them tax breaks to make products and the tax breaks are as much as the factory would pay local labor over a 10 year period?

    As Rick Sanchez might day: "That sounds like welfare but with extra steps"

    --
    Warning: Teh poster of this messaeg is lysdexic
    1. Re: Someone check my math here.... by makerfixer · · Score: 2

      The factory isn't the only goal. You'd need to establish an entire technology parts/robotic machine/liquid crystal manufacturing support/plastics support/on and on in the US. Those suppliers would naturally try to support a number of manufacturers and would create hundreds of jobs. Also, you could base your tech business in the central US and manufacturer out here without flying back and forth to China from California. It's literally trying to build an industry from scratch. One more major item, you'd almost need to import a first round of manufacturing engineers as we currently have none in the US capable of running the factories (as we don't have the factories) so you'd be creating that infrastructure as well. Finally, look up the ballpoint pen problem that China has.

    2. Re:Someone check my math here.... by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      4 billion, divided by 13,000 employees is $307,692 per employee.
      At $15/hr, that's 20,513 hours of wages
      At 2080 work hrs per year that's a smidge under 10 years

      So we're giving them tax breaks to make products and the tax breaks are as much as the factory would pay local labor over a 10 year period?

      As Rick Sanchez might day: "That sounds like welfare but with extra steps"

      And to lobby and donate to political causes they support. Don't forget those costs!

    3. Re:Someone check my math here.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tax incentives are not money the government gives to the company. They're money the government agrees not to take from the company. There's no actual cost to the government at all, merely an agreement not to steal a certain amount from them.

      Considering the land that plant will be built on might not be bringing in any tax revenue at all, this is not always a bad deal.

    4. Re: Someone check my math here.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's cute that you think all this will happen. It's cheaper and always will be cheaper
      To manufacture somewhere other than America.

    5. Re: Someone check my math here.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are an idiot. It's still money that they would receive without this sweet heart deal.

      Someone did the math, it would take a minimum 10 years, for the tax credit to run out. That's 10 years of not having to pay taxes to the govt. how is that not money lost?

  23. Re: Third World COuntry by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    I've made horrible life decisions. And I have a great job.

  24. Re: Orange Man Bad! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Har har har! You add no value or content and make no pint but NPC echo chamber likes!

    Me like too because Orange Man Bad!!

  25. Re: HAWHAW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russian hate-troll pissing in the well? Or corporate Democrat who feels he is better than all his countrymen? Who can tell?!

  26. Re: Third World COuntry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sort of people who get off on criticizing the "terrible life choices" of the less fortunate almost all have something in common: They are not too bright and not too hard working, but they made an excellent "life choice" when they choose rich parents.

  27. Foxconn is not Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is based in Taiwan. Big difference.

    1. Re:Foxconn is not Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and the conversation with the President might have gone something like: "Build the plant like you promised, or China will be invading Taiwan within one month and we won't bother stopping them."

    2. Re: Foxconn is not Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He doesn't have that power.

      He can't even get his pet project wall built, and you think he will declare war on China?

      Repubtards are idiots.

  28. Re: When bad ideas win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only if you sell access to this lottery for like a dollar each entry.

    Oh wait, we already have that.

  29. Re: Third World COuntry by LostMyAccount · · Score: 1

    I feel like this sentiment is most strongly communicated by people who have only slightly better shitty jobs and project hostility towards people who don't see a slightly less shitty job as worth the effort. It's like they don't like their situation very much and are angry or jealous of people who won't accept the same crummy deal they got.

    The angry blue collar worker pissed at his lazy kid who won't knuckle under and take the same blue collar job and future he accepted.

    Many truly "good" jobs -- high wages, good working conditions, ample future growth opportunity -- either require skills or abilities that aren't universal, or are really the byproduct of a ton of luck, either in being born in the right place or being part of the right circles.

    I don't think I could have become a surgeon no matter how hard I worked at it, for example, and I've certainly met IT people that were no smarter and less hard working than I was -- if they were, most of the time they wouldn't be paying me to do their projects.

  30. BULLLLLLLLLSHIT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They didn't say they'll build the factory after all, what they said was, "After Trump called us, we made a face-saving deal with him where we'll build a token R&D facility and we'll probably give his companies some kick-backs and he'll work to make us better able to exploit workers and the environment by curtailing regulations illegally." Trump is a criminal. The people should have his head on a pole before all is said and done. He is selling out America. You fools who support him are a bunch of cucks! Just like the cucks supporting the Dems and LGBTQFemi-Terrorists who are selling out YOUR country. You damn fools. Keep sucking his dick. Keep licking the assholes of power and your children and grandchildren will be sex-slaves to the Chinese, Middle Easterners, and Russians. You fucking worthless cowards. Keep on dick sucking. Faggots!

    1. Re: BULLLLLLLLLSHIT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

  31. Re: ORANGE MAN GOOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please, you pussy republicans are scared of a few Mexicans. You actually think you'd be effective? You guys can't even send mail bombs properly for Christ sakes.

  32. Re: Orange Man Bad! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Orange man stupid!!!

  33. Let's call the whole thing off! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You say either and I say eyether
    You say neither and I say nyther;
    Either, eyether, neither, nyther
    Let's call the whole thing off!

    You like potato and I like potatoe
    You like tomato and I like tomatoe;
    Potato, potatoe, tomato, tomatoe!
    Let's call the whole thing off!"

    Apologies to George Gershwin, Ella Fitzgerald, Fred Astaire, and innumerable others.

  34. I'll believe it when it's done by Only+Time+Will+Tell · · Score: 1

    Foxconn (con?) has a history of making grand job pronouncements only to later scale back of evaporate altogether. I'll believe that they'll build this LCD factory only when it is done and up and running. I feel bad for Wisconsin citizens, they were sold a bill of goods (jobs, prosperity) by corrupt politicians and greedy companies.

  35. Trump's Involvement Is The Deathknell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Trump is involved, that's pretty much the Tell that this project is doomed. Trump announces victory and everything falls apart.

    I mean, it might have been doomed all along; there have been questions about the size and appropriateness of the tax incentives right from the beginning. Trump is really just the icing on the cake.

    Trump's Seal of Approval is more like the Gong of Doom.

    "Bring out yer dead! Gong! Bring out yer dead! Gong!"

  36. Investing by maxiposik · · Score: 0

    Speaking of investments, guys, can anyone help me to figure out a good p2p lending strategy? It's a new investment tool for me and it's always quite hard to figure things out at the very beginning?