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Parents Who Don't Vaccinate Kids Tend To Be Affluent, Better Educated (go.com)

schwit1 quotes ABC News: Vaccines are universally backed by respected scientists and federal agencies, but that isn't enough to convince every parent to vaccinate their children. The decision to fly in the face of near universal scientific opinion doesn't come as a result of a lack of intellect, however, as experts who have studied vaccines and immunology acknowledge that many parents who don't vaccinate their children are well-educated. They also appear to be the victims of a widespread misinformation campaign, the experts said.

Daniel Salmon, who is the director of the Institute of Vaccine Safety at Johns Hopkins University, said that existing research suggests that there are some common attributes that many parents who choose not to vaccinate their children share. "They tend to be better educated. They tend to be white, and they tend to be higher income. They tend to have larger families and they tend to use complementary and alternative medicine like chiropractors and naturopaths," Salmon said.

Salman also says outbreaks typically start when an American returns from a visit to Europe, where there are much higher rates of measles than in the U.S. But lower vaccination rates help it spread.

One study in August reported Russian trolls "seem to be using vaccination as a wedge issue, promoting discord in American society," though their campaign on Twitter failed to gain traction.

"I blame Amazon Prime," writes long-time Slashdot reader destinyland. "That 'misinformation' they're talking about is the pseudoscience documentary Vaxxed -- and Amazon is one of the top site's pushing it. The movie is not only free for all Prime members -- Amazon's actually featuring it on the front page showing free-with-Prime movies."

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  1. One-eyed among the blind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a pattern that I recognized. There's a class of people that are smarter than the US average, yet still rather stupid and arrogantly over-confident from an actually smart point of view.

    E.g. Randall Munroe of xkcd or Ricky Gervais are famous examples.

    They simply LOOK and ACT smart, but they aren't really that smart. They're just not utter and complete morons.

    1. Re: One-eyed among the blind. by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's plenty of issues people have with vaccines that are based in science, often from the vaccine companies themselves. It's a parent's choice to teach a child their culture, just the same to vaccinate or not... you cant shove a lifestyle onto anyone. One way or another...

      Unless you're planning on home schooling them. No proof of vaccination, no public schools or most colleges for you.

    2. Re: One-eyed among the blind. by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Antivaxxer kids are like dark humour - they never get old.

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    3. Re:One-eyed among the blind. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a class of people that are smarter than the US average,

      The title says "better educated" . . . not "smarter".

      Lots of folks are educated way beyond their intelligence.

      If your family is affluent enough to send you to Andover, Exeter or St Paul's . . . you're better educated.

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    4. Re: One-eyed among the blind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Found one of the educated ones.

      Vaccination is not a lifestyle choice, regardless of what the morons spouting anti-vaccination rumors say.

      Vaccination is a medical choice. You either assist society by exterminating destructive diseases, or you literally empower your dumb-by-extension children to accidentally infect and kill children with responsible parents, who are too young to be vaccinated.

      Does that mean you need to get every vaccine for your child? No. Chicken pox has a vaccine these days and it's not on the same tier as other diseases (though why risk it?). Measles though? That stuff will kill your child and, if not them, then your neighbor's younger child who cannot get it yet. Thanks to people making the decisions that you're describing, combined with immigrants coming from places without the vaccine, Washington State has had to declare a state of emergency.

      I actually agree that you should be free to avoid any and all vaccinations because that's what freedom allows. But that doesn't mean that you should be afforded the tax payer-assisted opportunity to then put your child into contact with everyone else's children in publicly funded places, like public school. And it definitely doesn't mean that when your child does get those diseases that the government should assist you financially to get through it.

    5. Re: One-eyed among the blind. by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So then they're off the hook for school taxes, right?

      LOL no. School taxes are based on owning property regardless of how many children you have in the household.

      The real value would be having 10 kids, same price as one.

    6. Re: One-eyed among the blind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you look at the pros and cons and there is no medical contraindication, but you still decide that your kids should not be vaccinated, then you can't blame it on science, you're just being a dumbass. This is not a lifestyle choice, the same way giving your children cigarettes is not a lifestyle choice. That's endangering a person in your care, and in the case of antivaxxers, many others too. If you and your kids are serious threat to the well-being of a population, that population is morally justified to defend against you. People are afflicted with lifelong handicaps due to that sheer idiocy. Some even die. This is not tolerable. People who do not have their kids vaccinated should be banned from medical insurance.

    7. Re: One-eyed among the blind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, they should be banned from medical insurance because they're taking the benefits of the group for themselves, but refuse to be part of the group when it comes to fighting epidemics. If they were only endangering themselves, it would not be an adequate reaction, but they're not and it would be.

    8. Re: One-eyed among the blind. by queequeg1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Good point. I live in a somewhat rural part of Clark County, WA (where the recent measles outbreak is taking place) and know a fair number of parents who are adamantly against vaccines. They tend to fall into one of two camps. First, there is a more religious group (Apostolic Lutherans being a significant portion but a number from a variety of Christian sects) that homeschools their kids (although even homeschooled kids will have a number of interactions with regularly schooled children). Relatively few of them will go to college. Instead, they generally move into a skilled trade after getting their GEDs. These people have generally been living in the area for generations and I seriously doubt that any level of education will change their minds. Closing them off from public schools/colleges will have little effect. I read their posts on the community Facebook pages and the shortsightedness and irresponsibility makes my mind reel. While they don't like measles, the prospect of infection isn't nearly enough to make them change their minds. I question whether anything more serious would. Second, there is a large community of first generation Russian and Ukrainian immigrants, many of whom tend to look with suspicion at anything any government asks them to do. I suspect this community will come around after a generation, if not sooner, since this group, although wary of government, tends to be more pragmatic and some of the measles infections have occurred in Slavic community centers and private schools.

    9. Re:One-eyed among the blind. by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is "authorities" also told us to give up butter in favor of trans-fat laden margarine and keeps alternately telling us eggs are good and eggs are of the devil. Then the people who brought out that smoking is harmful and then somewhat exaggerated the claims for 2nd hand smoke have started going off about 3rd and even 4th hand smoke (I'm not kidding).

      All of that really has left a vacuum that is now being filled by cranks and quacks.

  2. Educated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think educated the word that you're looking for. How about uselessly credentialed?

  3. Study must be deeply flawed by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Either this 'study' is deeply flawed, or it's actually the product of the Russian trolls it speaks of, since this makes precisely zero sense, someone not vaccinating their kids against common diseases is among the obvious definitions of 'unintelligent'. Don't really give a damn what anyone thinks of what I just said, either, so don't bother.

    1. Re:Study must be deeply flawed by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful
      We have a typical case of "only the dangers I see are important".

      As measles and polio and rubella and all the other illnesses we vax again are (thanks to the vaccination) no longer in plain sight, people tend to underestimate their risk. As we easily can imagine the piercing hurting the child, the wound becoming infected, the child misreacting on the vaccines and so on, we tend to overestimate their risk. Thus we want to protect the child against the perceived danger and not against the real danger.

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    2. Re:Study must be deeply flawed by gtall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No it isn't an obvious definition of unintelligent. As someone above mentioned, it could easily result from the affluent thinking the proles need the vaccines so they can surf the herd-immunity. If anything, it is self-absorbed selfish behavior.

  4. Huh? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Randall Munroe seems fairly well educated in technical areas. Did I miss something? And, from my understanding,he's open and upfront that his comics aren't based just on his knowledge but that he has to do research fro them.

    And I never heard anyone claim Ricky Gervais is particularly smart. Maybe you were confused by his accent into thinking people thought he was smart?/p:

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  5. Educated but stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Higher educated, does not mean not stupid.

  6. bullshit by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's plenty of issues people have with vaccines that are based in science

    Like what, exactly?

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    1. Re:bullshit by smoot123 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Adverse effects (usually around one in a million for most vaccines for severe adverse reactions, one in ten for most mild ones). Correlation here is risk calculation and game theory, not "stupid parents".

      First of all, remind yourself that wealthy parents in upper middle class tend to have only one child. That means that "all their eggs are in one basket".

      I think it's closer to two children but that doesn't really change your point. Both rug rats are precious snowflakes.

      What I think is missing is the alternative risk. Say there's a one in a million risk for a serous complication (I have no idea whether that's correct and what the complication might be. I do know autism isn't one of the possible complications.) What are the chances of getting measles without the vaccine? Apparently slightly higher than one in a million because we have more than 300 cases in Washington alone.

      Given that measles can kill you, I'm not sure it's all that clear cut that your snowflakes are safer without the shot.

  7. Education is not equal to intelligence by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've met people who have plenty of fancy letters after their names, and they're dumb as rocks. They studied deep in a single field, but can only regurgitate knowledge, not integrate and extrapolate.

    The more life I experience, the more I realize just how truly rare intelligence is.

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  8. Re:Not really by Sique · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because your freedom ends when it endangers my life.

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  9. It's not that simple by DogDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looking back, wasn't that always the case?

    No, I don't think it's that simple. Religion, by definition, is deliberate ignorance: believe something that has no basis in reality because it has no basis in reality. I don't know a whole heck of a lot of truly smart people who are also religious. I honestly don't know if I know any.

    But, religion is becoming passe. It's dying off quickly in more educated, modern societies (ie: Europe). Without religion, some people still have some sort of innate need to believe in something irrational, because the idea of "this is all there is" is just too much (or not enough?) for them. I think that these people who need something else, but who can't buy into the magical sky wizard thing are grasping at all sorts of things, and some of those things are online Internet conspiracies.

    Personally, I think that life as we know it is plenty interesting enough for me, so I don't understand why so many people need to look past that and believe in some sort of silly mumbo jumbo.

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    1. Re:It's not that simple by apoc.famine · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So, what part of the south are you from, Dallas May?

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  10. social media responsible ? by swell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry to drag social media into the fray again, but it may have undue influence. The poorest, most ignorant people don't use social media much. When the doctor, or some authority, tells them to get vaccinations, they obey.

    But those steeped in social media see lots of opinions, lots of controversy, lots of fake news. When an authority tells them to get vaccinations, they think they know better.

    'All's fair in love and war', they say. Raising children is a very emotional activity. Parents tend to be protective and sometimes paranoid about obscure threats to their children. Rationality is sometimes overlooked when they find urgent online pleas to avoid vaxxing.

    I work with illiterate adults, helping them to be readers. They are very docile and will do what doctors tell them to do. The rest of us are too smart to fall for that blind obedience trap.

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  11. Re:Not really by William+Baric · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No, it doesn't. According to the CDC :

    In 2015, 5,376 pedestrians were killed in traffic crashes in the United States. [...] Additionally, almost 129,000 pedestrians were treated in emergency departments for non-fatal crash-related injuries in 2015."

    Good luck trying to convince people that they should not have the freedom to drive a car, to take the bus, or to transport goods in trucks because it endangers your life.