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A Coalition of Giant Brands is About To Change How We Shop Forever, With a New Zero-Waste Platform (fastcompany.com)

In the not-too-distant future -- as soon as this spring, if you live in or near New York City or Paris -- you'll be able to buy ice cream or shampoo in a reusable container. When you're done eating a tub of Haagen-Dazs, you'll toss the sleek stainless steel package in your personal reuse bin instead of your trash can. Then it will be picked up for delivery back to a cleaning and sterilization facility so that it can be refilled with more ice cream for another customer. From a report: Loop, a new zero-waste platform from a coalition of major consumer product companies, will launch its first pilots this year. "While recycling is critically important, it is not going to solve waste at the root cause," says Tom Szaky, CEO and cofounder of TerraCycle, a company that is known for recycling hard-to-recycle materials, and one of the partners behind the project. "We run what is today the world's largest supply chain on ocean plastic, collecting it and going into Unilever and Procter & Gamble products and so on," Szaky says. "But every day, more and more gets put in the ocean, so no matter how much we clean the ocean, we're never going to solve the problem. That's really where Loop emerged ... To us, the root cause of waste is not plastic, per se, it's using things once, and that's really what Loop tries to change as much as possible."

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  1. Is stainless steel better than cardboard here? by spth · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cardboard is cheap, light and easily recyclable. Is using stainless steel really better for the environment?

    After all it needs extra collection and cleaning infrastructure (while there is an established paper / cardboard collection and recycling infrastructure), and has a much higher initial energy cost. The added weight (and thus higher emissions from transport) also needs to be taken into account.

    1. Re:Is stainless steel better than cardboard here? by spth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course there are products where the inner packaging / container can't be cardboard (some of them mentioned in the article).

      There the reusable containers might make more sense (though I'd still like to see a comparison of environmental impact vs. more traditional approaches, such as reusable glass bottles).

    2. Re:Is stainless steel better than cardboard here? by Lanthanide · · Score: 2

      I recently bought Thai takeaway food - a massaman curry - that came in a recycled cardboard pottle with a plastic lining, which said on it that the plastic lining was made from plants not from oil.

      It didn't indicate it was recyclable or compostable, though.

    3. Re:Is stainless steel better than cardboard here? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      though I'd still like to see a comparison of environmental impact

      You can get a rough idea of the resources consumed by looking at the cost. If it is expensive, then it is either consuming a lot of resources or generating a lot of profit. I doubt it is the latter for reusable containers.

      Is the cost of making, transporting, cleaning, inspecting, repairing, sterilizing, refilling, and redelivering these containers really a win for the environment? How many times do they have to be used to break-even, before they are dented, damaged, or thrown away by a Republican?

      I am skeptical.

    4. Re:Is stainless steel better than cardboard here? by Shotgun · · Score: 2

      Recycling paper products is STUPID.

      Yeah. I said it.

      Paper is never made from old growth forest. A paper mill doesn't want your randomly sized tree trunks that the owls were homesteading. The want small, evenly sized pines from a tree farm. They don't want the processing headache of not having every trunk being nearly the exact same size, and the trees are farmed like corn.

      The energy expended sending trucks around to pick up the "stuff" and then process it is significant.

      A modern landfill is not a place to "fill the land". It is a waste processing system that convert bio mass to energy. A hole is coated with clay, perforated pipes are laid, and "stuff" is piled on top. More pipes are laid, and the whole thing covered in plastic. Leachate is pumped in with enzymes that will break anything organic down into methane. The methane is collected through the pipes and pumped to a generator. Collecting the paper with last night's food scraps requires only ONE truck, fewer people, and the whole gets converted to very green electricity.

      Stop the recycling nonsense.

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  2. Been There, Done That by Mikkeles · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sorta like the returnable, refillable stubbies for beer that we used to have; right?

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    1. Re:Been There, Done That by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      And pop bottles, and milk, and, and, and, and, and. We still do this with beer bottles. Though hard liquor has in many cases moved to plastic as well, and they've tossed a deposit on them. Welcome to 70 years ago guys, where the future is yesterday and this was all done in the name of 'saving money' with telling everyone it was with consumer convenience.

      The pop bottles were a fun one, my great aunt worked at a store that handled them exclusively. If you didn't wash them out,you got 5c/return. If you washed them out, you got 15c/return. Which was more then the cost of a bottle of pop.

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  3. Glass bottles by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a revolutionary idea... hear me out. If soda companies would distribute drinks in glass bottles - pretty thick bottles so they're tough and hard to break - and include a "deposit" surcharge when the beverage was purchased, then when the customer returned the empty bottle they would get the deposit back. Then the softdrink company could sterilize the bottle and reuse it over and over!

    Now, get this... imagine if milk was also sold in glass bottles. And, in tune with the modern convenience of Amazon where things are delivered right to your door, the milk could be delivered right to your home. Here's the kicker... you could leave your empty milk bottles right at your door, so the delivery person could then pick up your empty bottles for reuse! Zero waste!

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    1. Re: Glass bottles by Binkleyz · · Score: 2

      Well done, sir.

    2. Re:Glass bottles by coastwalker · · Score: 2

      Also I am not keen on paying a whole new industry to clean Stainless Steel containers when I could just take my own clean plastic tub to the shop and have it filled instead. I am not convinced that this "new" idea is going to work.

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    3. Re:Glass bottles by mentil · · Score: 4, Funny

      Indeed. We could even call this hypothetical delivery person a 'milk man', maybe dress them all in white to denote their station. They could even service lonely housewives, for extra efficiency. I'll get on this, right away!

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    4. Re:Glass bottles by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why only glass? In Germany I pay a deposit on plastic bottles, as well as glass bottles.

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    5. Re:Glass bottles by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      The truck that takes the beer from the brewery to the pub/supermarket can return to base empty.

      Or it could take back last week's bottles, since it's going there anyway. It's not going to double the fuel consumption, not even close.

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  4. Another thing that would help by MikeRT · · Score: 2

    Is going back to giving poor people staples and not a credit card to buy delicious, low-nutrition processed food that comes in a very trash-heavy packaging. It would also be a lot healthier for them.

  5. Re:OMG they could do it for milk too! by spth · · Score: 2

    From the article: "The model is similar to milk deliveries in the early 20th century,".

    Still getting the model to work for more products than just milk can make sense.

    I am not fully convinced though. There are a few brands participating, but it is not something universal, and I feel this will only really take off if there is a certain critical mass. They claim "50-75% better for the environment than conventional alternatives", but I'd like to see the details (e.g. what they compared to - cardboard vs plastic vs glass, etc).

  6. Re:Sterlized means sterile by youngone · · Score: 2

    If they were to set up in the city I live in, they would use 100% hydro-electric electricity, so it would use no fossil fuels.

  7. Re:New York pizza by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    New York style pizza IS greasy cardboard.

  8. And repurposeable too by Flexagon · · Score: 2

    My father, who was a research chemist, once told me that the old, thick, returnable Coke bottles actually made good reaction vessels (think beakers), precisely because they were strong and could take the abuse of regular use.

  9. Re:Sterlized means sterile by toddestan · · Score: 2

    You use electric heaters, and then the electricity can come from anywhere.

  10. But... by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that's not the American way. Anyone who buys food & goods in reusable packaging is a traitor & a failure as an American. Consumerism means that we measure our success by how fast we can dig stuff up out of the ground & turn it into pollution. No country comes close to the success that the USA has achieved to date.

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  11. Where is most waste going into the ocean from? by Zobeid · · Score: 2

    They're launching this service in New York and Paris now? I'd think waste streams in the USA and France are relatively well controlled. My understanding is that most of the ocean plastic is going down the rivers in developing countries, or did I hear wrong?

  12. Round and round we go by holophrastic · · Score: 2

    We started here, a long time ago. I remember grocery-store drop-offs of reusable containers. Obviously glass bottles are the most obvious one.

    We decided that disposable made a lot more sense. It wasn't just about hygiene.

    Disposable packaging meant that there could be a lot less package of the "refills". You were always welcomed to use your own reusable containers. Buy ice cream "refills" in very little, very light, very disposable packaging.

    If now the disposable packaging is already too much, that's a real problem. But the solution isn't to revert to heavy reusable containers being produced, transported, cleaned, shipped, damaged, and contaminated.

    I don't want someone else's ice cream container. But I really don't want huge items of garbage in my bins either.

    And do we really need to have this same discussion again? You're going to send a truck to my door, to collect my metal box, to transport it with fuel, to clean it with toxic chemicals and potable water. Toxic chemicals that were produced in a factory, potable water that's needed elsewhere, fuel from equally terrible places, all of which is better than a few grams of cardboard?

    If you want to get rid of cardboard packaging without producing any waste, just wet it and throw it onto street. Heavy traffic will break it down in about ten minutes. Light traffic in a week. The forest in a few days.

    The problem is as it always was. We produce waste that no one else eats. The fun of plastic. Paper was never the problem.

    But we ditched plastic grocery-store bags with reusable nylon ones. Because somehow we forgot that paper bags were fine for almost everything. And we really forgot that the grocery store has a dumpster full of cardboard boxes to give away. And we completely ignored the ten little plastic bags of fruit and plastic-wrapped styrofoamed meats inside of the nylon bags.

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