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'The Fundamental Problem With Silicon Valley's Favorite Growth Strategy' (qz.com)

Tim O'Reilly, writing for Quartz: The pursuit of monopoly has led Silicon Valley astray. Look no further than the race between Lyft and Uber to dominate the online ride-hailing market. Both companies are gearing up for their IPOs in the next few months. Street talk has Lyft shooting for a valuation between $15 and $30 billion dollars, and Uber valued at an astonishing $120 billion dollars. Neither company is profitable; their enormous valuations are based on the premise that if a company grows big enough and fast enough, profits will eventually follow.

Most monopolies or duopolies develop over time, and have been considered dangerous to competitive markets; now they are sought after from the start and are the holy grail for investors. If LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman and entrepreneur Chris Yeh's new book Blitzscaling is to be believed, the Uber-style race to the top (or the bottom, depending on your point of view) is the secret of success for today's technology businesses. Blitzscaling promises to teach techniques that are "the lightning fast path to building massively valuable companies." Hoffman and Yeh argue that in today's world, it's essential to "achieve massive scale at incredible speed" in order to seize the ground before competitors do. By their definition, blitzscaling (derived from the blitzkrieg or "lightning war" strategy of Nazi general Heinz Guderian) "prioritizes speed over efficiency," and risks "potentially disastrous defeat in order to maximize speed and surprise."

Many of these businesses depend on network effects, which means that the company that gets to scale first is likely to stay on top. So, for startups, this strategy typically involves raising lots of capital and moving quickly to dominate a new market, even when the company's leaders may not know how they are going to make money in the long term. This premise has become doctrine in Silicon Valley. But is it correct? And is it good for society? I have my doubts. Imagine, for a moment, a world in which Uber and Lyft hadn't been able to raise billions of dollars in a winner-takes-all race to dominate the online ride-hailing market. How might that market have developed differently?

114 comments

  1. Just follow the Trump model: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't pay your workers, cut corners, and if you fail completely just file for bankruptcy and let your creditors clean up the mess, multiple times, because you're a feckless coward who doesn't understand legitimate business.

    1. Re: Just follow the Trump model: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did not even need to read the article because the fundamental problem is it is in the way of me using a sun lamp to inspect creinettes unspeakable parts for areas that require intense physical therapy. And Silicon Valley tried to sell me stuff with all the good parts removed. Now, back to creimette. I have a real problem with what you are wearing creimette. It is going to get filthy. Now come over here and let me change you into something more angular and louder. Ith that the wight thpot?

    2. Re:Just follow the Trump model: by sexconker · · Score: 1

      The bankruptcy follows the failed company, not the people at the top.
      The creditors follow the failed company, not the people at the top.
      Yet the people at the top enjoy being at the top while it lasts, then get to safely glide over to sit at the top of the next venture.

      You seem to want corporations to hire CXOs based on merit and results, not politics, image, and nepotism. Good luck with that.

    3. Re: Just follow the Trump model: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimette! Your panties are disgusting! Take them off immediately!

    4. Re: Just follow the Trump model: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is creimette like the smurfette she was built in a lab from the dna of creimer to help his species survive
      otherwise he'll have to change sex like a seahorse and carry cockeggs in his back

    5. Re: Just follow the Trump model: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think just based on the name that creimette does tend to carry a significant quantity of creimer DNA inside her

    6. Re: Just follow the Trump model: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the worst part of this story is that it means creimer can reproduce
      if they all start writing ebooks it's the end of the english language

    7. Re: Just follow the Trump model: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LMFAO

    8. Re: Just follow the Trump model: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the answer was going to be - to many syringes on the streets

    9. Re: Just follow the Trump model: by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      "hire CXOs based on merit and results, not politics, image, and nepotism"

      That would spoil the whole point of the Surveillance Valley venture capital "startup" system. It's meant to be a jobs program for dumb as rocks Stanford grads and Ivy Leaguers who are too dim to land a real job on Wall Street. What, did you think they were trying to run a business or something?

  2. Is it time to by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

    resurrect fuckedcompany.com?

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  3. Premise is wrong. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Neither Uber or Lyft think they will ever be monopolies.

    This article is what you get when you do economic analysis based on reading Marx.

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    1. Re:Premise is wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You've obviously never done any actual economic analysis or read Marx...

    2. Re:Premise is wrong. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You believe they think a monopoly is even possible on ride hailing?

      It's marxist dogma that all business people want and expect to get an eventual monopoly. It's one of the dumbest things in Marx (and that's saying something). About the only thing dumber is the expectation that government will just disappear once given enough power.

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    3. Re:Premise is wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither Uber or Lyft really want to be ride-share companies in a gig economy, they want to be self-driving car-sharing companies to pursue a traditional monopoly.

    4. Re:Premise is wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prolapsed premise? Which specific Marxist monopolist error is ..... after all LYFT & UBER are two pieces of snatchazoom American horse-shit in no way compatible with a frisky Tennessee mare.

    5. Re:Premise is wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Running a business at a consistent loss for market share is definitely a sure fire to monopolistic practices. Where do you think the money is going to come from?

    6. Re:Premise is wrong. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Still nonsense. That's just double nonsense based on technical vapor and inane marxism.

      What are the barriers to entry?

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    7. Re: Premise is wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes,they do. Clearly both are pursuing that using a combination of saturation marketing and dirty tactics to undermine the other.

      Witness the gaming of each other's apps to disrupt drivers.

    8. Re:Premise is wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've supplied zero proof that Uber does not want a monopoly. Of course they DO, it's just not likely. Competition makes everything harder and profits go down. None of this has anything to do with Marxism in totem.

      You get one little notion in your head re: monopoly and you use that to paint the issue as if it's representative of Marxism, that's just simplistic. Then you go full Libertarian fearmonger-tard about the gubmint... sheesh.

      Analyze that. Go read more kiddo. Your spiel is not well founded and casual Libertarianism leads to early onset dementia.

    9. Re:Premise is wrong. by smoot123 · · Score: 2

      You believe they think a monopoly is even possible on ride hailing?

      It's marxist dogma that all business people want and expect to get an eventual monopoly.

      Is it possible? Sure, Lyft/Uber/Whoever just has to convince a legislature to grant them one. "We've decided to address the congestion issues in Manhattan by granting Uber an exclusive contract for ride-sharing services on the island (in exchange for letting us regulate their operations)." Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt.

      Do you mean, could Uber or Lyft get an effective monopoly (that is, over X% of the drivers and/or riders, where X might be anywhere from 60 to 99)? That's where I think Tim glossed over the point. The whole point of blitzscaling is the network effect. He mentioned it at the top but kinda dropped it after that. You blitzscale because you think you're operating in a market with a network effect. Ride sharing seems like that. Any given driver can really only have one app open at a time. If more drivers have Uber open, Uber riders will have shorter pickup times, so more riders will check the Uber app first. If there are more Uber riders, drivers will have shorter delays between rides so they'll make more cash. If Uber and Lyft started with a 50.1%/49.9% market split, I'd expect Uber to eventually crush Lyft, even if the services were identical.

      Think about it. You're leaving the bar and need a ride. Do you really want to check two apps to see which driver will do the better job? Or would you much rather check one app so you can get on with peeing/throwing up/getting jiggy with the hot babe you just picked up? Oh wait, this is Slashdot, nix that last option.

      So yes, It's possible Uber could become the defacto monopoly, just like Microsoft has a defacto monopoly on desktop computing. Sure, there are other products but no one is bothering to compete with them on just the desktop any more. Apple, for instance, competes with the entire ecosystem of iDevices and iSoftware so it's not like the competing products is just iOS and Windows 10.

      Regarding monopoly status, I'm sure every business person wants to dominate their market. "Dominate", for the companies I've worked for, means have something like 60% market share or greater. That's get-a-book-written-about-you territory. I don't think anyone thinks they have a realistic shot of a 90+% market share, any more than anyone thinks they have a realistic shot of playing in the National Hockey League. Sure, you can try but you really ought to have a plan B.

      Given how much attention is showered on near monopolies, my guess is many CEOs would just as soon have 60% market share with a bunch of ankle-biter competitors. That gets you most of the money with many fewer headaches. Sore ankles, perhaps.

    10. Re:Premise is wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no idea what you're blathering about. You don't understand Marxism any more than you understand general corporate micro/macroeconomics.

      The barrier to your entry in this discussion seems to be a legitimate education or founded point.

    11. Re:Premise is wrong. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Neither Uber or Lyft think they will ever be monopolies.

      Being in a duopoly is a pretty good position also. Life is easier when you have 1 competitor instead of 7.

    12. Re:Premise is wrong. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      As soon as they try to profit from their position, they are _done_. You install a new app, which all the drivers also use.

      Network effects only work when there is one natural winner.

      What we're seeing here is pursuit of dumb investor money. You should recognize it. They don't care about anything long term. All they want is the suckers money.

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    13. Re:Premise is wrong. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Every uber and lyft driver with the sense to hand out his cell number (for better rates) is already a competitor. As are the local cab companies, gypsy cabs and car shares.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    14. Re:Premise is wrong. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      What does 'want' have to do with anything? Expect is the appropriate standard.

      It is a fact that Marx's thin analysis of capitalism claims that all capitalism inevitably leads to monopoly. It's idiotic, but look around, plenty of dogmatic commie lens using idiots on /.

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    15. Re: Premise is wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BOOM!

      Nice to see people like you speaking up more.

      Early-onset dementia -- perhaps you're using that analogically but it's entirely possible in my mind that you're aware of how that's tangibly true. When these mindsets are held on to.

      Most people now on Earth who will live for the next thirty years likely will not be suscept to this -- not solely due to advances in science, more so due to that it is very hard to lie to oneself and believe it when one's perspective is so abrubtly and totally challenged. When collectively we experience shifts of perspective reality, nobody is excluded.

      This assumes we have yet "to see it all." For anyone to pronounce that we have, and that the events of the world are not mounting to effectively unprecedented heights of climax (that sounds funny), is delusionist.

      Programmed individuation and separation of generational contexts leaves the elderly largely out of control of their own lives, watching as all their familiar life contexts not only crumble away, but disappear often near-entirely from the world around them.

      I have personal experience with this. I have psychologically observed, intently and premeditatedly, my mother's father go through slow but progressive breakdown of his "mental facilities." Everyone can fathom why it is that conversations about rural agriculture and family values are vitally engaged in by those suffering Alzheimer's -- at least here in New Hampshire -- whereas much of the modern discord involving smartphone pictures, video clips, and "memeatic" references to so many popular media.

      Those of us attentively here for the first major letting-go of parts of the old world, that many of us here now hold as truths in their individual perspectives, will not suffer this degradation of life's meaning.

      Think about whether you'd like to recognize the world we live on in twenty, thirty years.

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      EAT IT UP AND USE YOUR BRAIN

    16. Re:Premise is wrong. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Individuals can't always be available at the right place at the right time. That's why Ublyft have big servers: efficient and timely allocation of resources. Yes, it's an option, but a limited one. And if the web ones get big enough, they'll buy out local cab co's.

    17. Re:Premise is wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet you think Marxism still applies to this argument in some way, because you're that retarded somehow. Amazing. Good luck, sorry they harvested your brain for research but it's probably better off without you.

    18. Re:Premise is wrong. by unity · · Score: 1

      "Regarding monopoly status, I'm sure every business person wants to dominate their market. "Dominate", for the companies I've worked for, means have something like 60% market share or greater. That's get-a-book-written-about-you territory. I don't think anyone thinks they have a realistic shot of a 90+% market share, any more than anyone thinks they have a realistic shot of playing in the National Hockey League. Sure, you can try but you really ought to have a plan B."

      It depends on the market size. In a niche market 90% is definitely doable, especially if you are the one to recognize the need early and get entrenched to the point where any possible competitors would have to invest too much money to make it worthwhile.

    19. Re:Premise is wrong. by Dastardly · · Score: 1

      Uber and Lyft also have the problem that fleet management has economies of scale that Uber and Lyft cannot realize since individual drivers own and maintain their vehicles which do not have those economies of scale. So, basically, Uber and Lyft drivers have higher cost than other hire care services. So, Uber and Lyft have to pay enough for the individual drivers whose costs are higher than taxis to at least seem like they are making money otherwise drivers will stop driving. In order to try and create a monopoly they have to charge less than the taxis that have lower costs. So, they will lose tons of money. On top of that Uber and Lyft are destroying the barriers to entry that the taxi services have. So, if they get the monopoly and raise prices to where they are actually profitable with their higher costs, new taxi services will spring up and undercut them since they have destroyed barriers to entry in the hire care business.

      So, Uber and Lyft need to basically destroy the barriers to entry, so they can put the old hire car services out of business and get a monopoly, then get local governments to put those barriers to entry back in their favor. And, we will have a higher cost business charging everyone more. Enjoy your Silicon Valley Venture Capital subsidized hire car service while it lasts because it will either start charging a lot more or go out of business.

      Self driving cars is a Hail Mary in the hopes that it might somehow justifies the billions of venture capital money that Uber and Lyft have burned.

    20. Re:Premise is wrong. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      they try to get into being dominant.

      that's what they try. if they think that or not is irrelevant, since that's what they try to do and do it by being quicker. neither one of them knows for sure if they'll be profitable after they do that.

      look, for a good example look at gamestop. it's not like people have quit buying games, it's just that gamestop flooded the market with stores by opening new stores and buying up other stores to dominate the market - and they do dominate the market, but who the fuck knows if they'll make any money?

      the blurb neglects to mention the actual reason for trying to get big money to get BIG growth. these people are ran by people who think that the companys worth is tied to the growth - like, that the company would be valued at it's revenue level even if it made 0 dollars of profit, just because they have high growth numbers. they truly believe that. some investors believe that too, though that number will be getting less and less every year as people realize how stupid of an investment pricing strategy that is.

      also partially related to the demise of a bunch of youtube mcn networks. the companies were not worth their revenue because all of that revenue went straight out of the door. It's like paypal valuing themselves being worth the combined amount of transactions made through it. it's stupid, especially when revenue is such an easy number to cook in the books.

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    21. Re:Premise is wrong. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It's marxist dogma that all business people want and expect to get an eventual monopoly.

      And it's capitalist dogma that (a) monopolies will somehow be prevented by the free market without government interference, and (b) profit-making organisations welcome healthy competition even if it leads to them making less profit.

      The (alleged) marxist position seems a lot more realistic to me.

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    22. Re:Premise is wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uber can get a monopoly in one town. Doesn't affect the next town - because ride services are incredibly local. So you could have hundreds of these services and none displacing the others. NY taxi services doesn't compete with LA taxi services and so on. Same for app-based ride-share services.

    23. Re:Premise is wrong. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      It depends on the market. In small markets there can be _one_ driver. How many Uber rides in a row would you need to take with the same person before you worked a side deal?

      Local cab cos can continue to open far longer than Uber can stay capitalized. Most places don't have medallion systems. Even after Uber made their value drop, the total value of NYC medallions is a good fraction of Uber's market cap. That's one city.

      Monopolizing unregulated car hailing is just impossible. Watch for the eventual survivor to ask for regulation.

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  4. author forgets that people are selfish by Ionized · · Score: 3, Interesting

    author is focused on the overall market or societal impact

    Which of course doesn't matter at all to the founders & investors.

    blitzscale is the 'greedy' approach. entrepreneurs and investors typically just care about their own company succeeding, and to hell with what that means for the market in general or consumers. they WANT to build a monopoly, duh.

    1. Re: author forgets that people are selfish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is the answer to pretty much any question people might have about two person ile wide blitz scaling startups

    2. Re:author forgets that people are selfish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why anyone who admires Blitzscale should be thrown under the friggen jail as an example to others.

    3. Re:author forgets that people are selfish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The author doesn't "forget" that, it's pretty much the whole point - that (1) the system's incentives don't align well with the "public good" outcome, and (2) the corrective systems that, in the past, have been used to compensate for this are failing, possibly because of the accelerated timescale at which network effects now kick in.

  5. Foreshadowing? by jythie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ahm.. wasn't blitzkrieg something that ultimately did well as a short term tactic but failed as part of a larger strategy? Blitzkrieg is great if you care about winning the battle but don't care about losing the war.

    Which I guess is the point of their advice. If your objective is to be healthy enough to get a nice profitable IPO or buyout, but not healthy enough to survive past that, then it might be a great strategy.

    1. Re:Foreshadowing? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Insightful
      But the whole premise of Silicon Valley is that these ventures are basically Ponzi schemes, with a lottery like chance of success - but no penalty for the founder, of first or second round funders, because they get out with the big bucks and Joe public gets scammed - and who ever publicly admitted to being victim of a blatent scam - while investing someone else's money for a percentage of the losses.

      Especially when the losers just write it off as tax deductible. Who cares if the business is viable if its filling your wallet? (Scamming people is the American Way - don't like it? you are un-American!)

      In short, the real victims are the tax payers - everyone else involved wins enough to pay for at least half a dozen congress-critters.

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    2. Re:Foreshadowing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blitz was the tactic. Sea Lion and simultaneously Barbarossa was the strategy. Don't confuse the tactics with the strategy or you end up kissing Putin's cock on live Television in Helsinki.

    3. Re:Foreshadowing? by Livius · · Score: 2

      wasn't blitzkrieg something that ultimately did well as a short term tactic but failed as part of a larger strategy

      No, it succeeded as part of a larger strategy. That larger strategy, however, is a different matter.

    4. Re:Foreshadowing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you get an innovative idea and can convince VCs to provide significant funding, then you wind up with a near monopoly because your are the de facto first in that niche industry. If your idea is not innovative and you can scale quickly but inefficiently, there is nothing to prevent a competitor with better business tactics to effectively out-compete you.

      The general purpose of rapid scaling it to shift from a prototyping operation operating at a loss to a production operation operating at profit. If that transition fails, the VCs eat you. One way to satisfy the gaping maw of the VCs is to IPO with enough hype to tide them over. That IPO is effectively introducing debt and new issues for what was formerly a private company. But you do need to eventually make a profit.

      Failures:
      MySpace
      Jawbone
      Theranos
      Any company pitching "Smart Suitcase"

    5. Re:Foreshadowing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They ran out of amphetamine, and then oil.

    6. Re:Foreshadowing? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      That freedom to try, design, fail, try again is what makes the US great.
      Vs the structures of a controlled Communist China and a tax collecting EU.
      The tax, regulations and laws of a EU nations when trying to start a business, keep a business, grow a business.
      Hire skilled people to work on merit? Hire a quota of below average workers under gov regulations. Due to the gov approval of starting the business?
      That freedom allows the US to change to any new and emerging situation. To scale get ideas up. To fully and quickly recover from ideas that did not work.

      China and the EU nations have no so such funding, legal and academic freedoms.
      Workers stay with a company. The company once approved has to fit within a set of Communist or EU regulations and laws.
      Reporting, tax and laws shape the company growth outside the USA.
      The ability and skill is what sets the US investment apart and makes it great.

      The freedom to invest, to win, to start again. To reinvent and to grow.
      To be free of Communist control and direct EU taxation.
      The freedom to find the best workers and create new products, services.

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    7. Re:Foreshadowing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not really. Blitzkrieg doesn't introduce any particular strategic weaknesses that didn't exist before. Sure it's expensive, but not as expensive as losing battles.

      It was so successful, it's informed basically every major military operation since it was invented. Even the Allies used Blitzkrieg tactics (at D-Day and beyond).

    8. Re:Foreshadowing? by rgmoore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ahm.. wasn't blitzkrieg something that ultimately did well as a short term tactic but failed as part of a larger strategy?

      Not exactly. Blitzkrieg, or the tactics that led to it, were something that worked really well against enemies who didn't have the tactics and equipment to counter it. Once the enemy had the tactics, troops, and equipment to counter blitzkrieg, it became less and less capable of producing the kind of dramatic results it did early in the war. To a considerable extent, this worked to Germany's advantage; they were on the offense when blitzkrieg was effective and on the defense when it had lost its effectiveness. The problem Germany had in WWII wasn't with their tactics but with adopting war aims that were beyond their ability to achieve. It was always a mistake to go to war with the world's largest country and the world's richest country at the same time.

      As far as the "enemies who don't have the tactics to counter it" part, I suspect we may already be past that point when it comes to VC trying to win monopolies. Everyone now knows that is the goal, and the competition is going to be trying the same stunt. At some level, the entrenched businesses that they're trying to supplant know it, too, and they're going to do everything in their power to slow the newcomers down. As an example, look at the political pushback existing taxi companies orchestrated against Uber and Lyft.

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    9. Re: Foreshadowing? by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Blitzkrieg relies on speed and technological advantage to succeed, and succeed it did. However, the comparison is very apt because what did the Germans in wasnt the failure of blitzkrieg. It was the failure of leadership to adapt to changing circumstances and increasing innovation and improvement by the enemy. Basically, innovate or die. If you are sufficiently big enough inertia can carry you a long way, but die you eventually will.

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    10. Re:Foreshadowing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Germany didn't really 'go to war' with the USSR and the USA. Germany went to war with Russia while America remained neutral (although helping to supply Canada and the UK, ahem). Following Pearl Harbor, Germany's war with the USA wasn't a war of Germany's choice, and the USA didn't make an decisive difference in the outcome of the war until after the USSR was on its way to defeating Germany. This is NOT to minimize the other Allies' important contributions, such as supplying Russia via Murmansk, tying up some German resources on the western front, and generally denying the air and sea to Germany.

      Germany's mistake was going to war with Russia period, then not winning a winnable campaign. The mistake was compounded by doing all of that before hostilities ceased with the *UK*. Because the UK and Canada successfully brought the USA into the European war, with a push from Japan.

    11. Re:Foreshadowing? by aybiss · · Score: 1

      "makes the US great"

      How's that going for you?

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    12. Re:Foreshadowing? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Better than Communist China.
      The tax rate in the EU.
      US freedom is great like that.

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    13. Re:Foreshadowing? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      The tax rate in the EU.

      You think the EU levies taxes? How cute!

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    14. Re:Foreshadowing? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Better than Communist China. The tax rate in the EU. US freedom is great like that.

      Is that a libertarian haiku?

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    15. Re:Foreshadowing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually now, once you get past the buzwordiness of it blitzkrieg is just how modern warfare works. Nobody calls it that anymore for PR reasons. Hopefully you are old enough to remember "shock and awe" same thing, different name. The reason the Germans had issues and ultimately lost had very little to do with what doctrine that had. It was more of a strategic supply, production and manpower issue. The allies learned the lessons of modern combined arms warfare (the technical term for blitzkrieg) and used it against the Germans quite effectively. The weakness of blitz is that it requires you maintain the initiative and move rapidly so the enemy can't react. If you are stalled or delayed you run the risk of the entire offensive stalling.

  6. Shorter mean time to failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pursuit of monopoly is just the natural goal of a capitalistic enterprise. Silicon Valley's all-or-nothing approach to business development means the business fails in months rather than years, which might not matter to investors or management (remember, you can always fail upwards) but employees and users suffer the most.

  7. The problem is we've let venture capitalists by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    have too much money. So every time a competitor arises they just get bought out or buried.

    Once you've got more money than you can spend that's not money anymore, it's power. Folks figured this out in the 50s, 60s and 70s and reigned it in with high taxes and a ton of Wall Street regulations. Then Reagan came along and shit all over that. Clinton didn't help either.

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    1. Re:The problem is we've let venture capitalists by HornWumpus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Money is always power, duh. Even in amounts you could spend.

      The worse problem is power can be easily turned into money. Clintons are a perfect example. Neither ever held an honest job. Multi millionaires.

      Buying your competitors is a losing game without significant barriers to entry. It never ends and you can never profit. As soon as you try, the market is flooded with competitors.

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    2. Re:The problem is we've let venture capitalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So every time a competitor arises they just get bought out or buried.

      Considering that the Silicon Valley rising starts are notorious disruptors I disagree with this rather strange assertion.

      Folks figured this out in the 50s, 60s and 70s and reigned it in with high taxes and a ton of Wall Street regulations. Then Reagan came along and shit all over that. Clinton didn't help either.

      Funny, It seems that the stratospheric growth of computing and information technologies started in the 80s. Perhaps that isn't a coincidence.

      In my lifetime I've seen personal computing go from 8 bit home systems to a few kb of ram to eight core 64 bit systems with gigs of ram and hundreds of gigs of storage.. That fit in your pocket and are connected wirelessly to a high speed ubiquitous global network.

      That's had nothing to do with regulation and everything to do with lots of investors throwing money around.

    3. Re:The problem is we've let venture capitalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that is the death of innovation and distortion of free markets as the customers in this commoditized world of transport are not brand loyal but always looking for the best offering. Same goes for many other types of services undergoing the "Silicon Valley treatment".

    4. Re:The problem is we've let venture capitalists by epine · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The worse problem is power can be easily turned into money. Clintons are a perfect example. Neither ever held an honest job.

      Compared to Trump, Bill worked his ass off (but only if you count the many hours of the day and night he was wearing his reading glasses). Whatever the honesty of being POTUS then, it hasn't gotten better since.

      Trump's daily schedule v Obama and Bush

      A true social order where all the top jobs are honest jobs is called "socialism" (but only when armed with a large can of DDT++ to prevent outbreaks of Stalin or Mao fever, and an eternal regimen of diligent application which so far seems to exceed human capacity).

      So we're left with leaders doing hard jobs, if not honest jobs.

    5. Re:The problem is we've let venture capitalists by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Thats their money. They risked it on an idea.
      They supported and promoted idea using their name brand, wealth. The money made is theirs due to that ability.
      To enjoy. To invest in any way they want. To risk again on anther really great idea.
      Should that money go to a Communist party? To an EU government to redistribute to random people?
      In a direct wealth tax to some gov project?

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    6. Re:The problem is we've let venture capitalists by Can'tNot · · Score: 1

      Money is just one way of measuring your power over other people. In numbers, what is the numerical value of my ability to get you to do something, or to take your possessions? Money isn't the only measure of power, it isn't the only thing that matters, but it is certainly an important one.

      In that light, you can look at the consolidation of wealth as a failure of democratic principles.

    7. Re:The problem is we've let venture capitalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once you've got more money than you can spend that's not money anymore, it's power. Folks figured this out in the 50s, 60s and 70s and reigned it in with high taxes and a ton of Wall Street regulations. Then Reagan came along and shit all over that. Clinton didn't help either.

      True enough, but tax rates don't help when all of that accumulated monopoly power is sold off to foreign powers who use the platform to censor opposing political opinions in order to guarantee the election of officials who would never prosecute them.

  8. Too much money, too little substance by gweihir · · Score: 1

    The time-honored recipe for disaster. Why do humans never learn?

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  9. There is no market... by blahplusplus · · Score: 0

    ... the problem is that human beings are too limited intellectually to act in accordance with the economic doctrines preached in the universities. Most of us who have experience with mankind, know that our species is full of shit, the corporations are full of shit, the politicians are full of shit and humanity itself is full of god damn bullshit.

    Take videogames for example for the first 30 or so years of PC game history, we got complete games singleplayer+multiplayer in the same package until the internet arrived in the 1990's and companies started to rebadge PC RPG's as mmo's to confuse a gullible and stupid public to get them to pay for the same game multiple times while removing ownership. Watching valve and company steal videogames is broad daylight and watch the public fall all over themselves to give money to game companies for games they don't own just defies anything like a rational society.

    It's not in your interest as a gamer to basically pay to fuck yourself, but that's exactly what happened because you can't have a market with no accountability. You can't hold a company accountable that's 100's of miles away in an internet enabled age, so it's just one giant institution of software fraud and companies are making a killing.

    So silicon valleys model is just to make software everyone uses and make sure they never get to own or control it, and use that software to spy on and gather data from the dirty technology illiterate masses.

    1. Re:There is no market... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      look at the way the US innovated in computer design and selected the best workers.
      The way the UK responded to computer advancements with direct gov investment.
      What France wanted its gov to invest in for computer "eduction".
      Given freedom to import, people selected fun, creative, innovative and advanced US products and services.
      Better prices, more selection. Not been stuck on what some UK or French gov thought a "computer" should be for a decade.
      The best brands rise as people like their products.
      The brands that cant keep up, have below average workers, don't invest in a good way slowly fail.
      Should French and UK tax payers go and fund new computing to a gov set standard?
      A heavy new EU tax on all US computer products and services? So the EU can support its own gov supported computer brands?

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  10. Dance -- Good rid dance by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 0

    It took 100 years for competition to come along and kill the government-protected taxi market, charging too much and not doing enough.

    It's still fighting with mighty death throes

    Seriously, before whining, look at the long term effect of the previous government "solution".

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    1. Re:Dance -- Good rid dance by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Wiki has an interesting read on deregulating the Taxi industry. Generally seems to result in higher prices, lower wages for drivers, lower profits for companies and in the more extreme free markets, lots of deaths from the cartels that arose to defend their routes. Did seem to work OK in New Zealand though.
      There's a reason those regulations (dating back to the 17th century) arose. The real problem is corruption in the form of corrupt regulations. This seems quite pronounced in America where the free market includes the freedom to buy politicians.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  11. financial imbalance by DogDude · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It comes down to the fact that we've got such a wild imbalance between the super wealthy and the regular people, that the super wealthy literally have nothing to invest in. They don't care about investing tons of money in unprofitable companies because, really, who cares if they lose money? They've got more money than they'll ever need. Why not just own a wildly unprofitable company so you can show off to your friends? Regular people (you and I) need our investments to actually earn money. I know that I only invest in profitable things. Real estate, profitable companies, etc.

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    1. Re:financial imbalance by tsqr · · Score: 1

      They [the super wealthy] don't care about investing tons of money in unprofitable companies because, really, who cares if they lose money? They've got more money than they'll ever need.

      The super wealthy didn't become super wealthy by not caring if they lose money. Really, that's a very silly premise.

    2. Re:financial imbalance by DogDude · · Score: 1

      You're right. They generally become super wealthy by inheriting it. (https://inequality.org/research/selfmade-myth-hallucinating-rich/) (https://www.economist.com/buttonwoods-notebook/2014/03/18/inherited-wealth)

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    3. Re:financial imbalance by tsqr · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. Of course, somewhere up the line of antecedents, someone had to start with no inheritance. From the first article you linked:

      UFE defines as “born in the batter’s box” those Forbes 400 rich who hail from poor to middle-class circumstances. Some had nothing growing up. Others had parents who ran small businesses. About 95 percent of Americans, overall, currently live in these “batter’s box” situations. Just over a third, 35 percent, of the Forbes 400 come from these backgrounds.

      Just in case you missed the point, roughly 95% of Americans live in circumstances substantially similar to the starting point of some of the wealthiest people in the world.

    4. Re:financial imbalance by crt · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, the majority of the money in VC funds comes not from super-wealthy individuals (although family offices are in there), but from institutional investors like pension funds and endowments which make money for a much broader group of people.

    5. Re:financial imbalance by DogDude · · Score: 1

      And the point is, regardless, once you get there, the financial and tax systems are such that unless you're as dumber than a Trump, you'll likely be able to keep your wealth, and keep growing it indefinitely. And most people in this country can't spare $400 for an unexpected bill. It's the largest divide in the modern world. It's pretty damn massive.

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  12. Yes, it's bad for everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is bullshit, it has nothing to do with offering service, and I hope that the day comes when every single one of these companies is regulated into the ground.

  13. Investors are now dreamers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like the Solyendra debacle or Tesla or many other new types of companies who instill a dream into investors and not much reality. But it doesn't matter because dreamers somehow have eternal faith in the company they support. Its never if they will make money but when. But sometimes that when never comes.

  14. Uber valuation is insanity by manu144x · · Score: 5, Insightful

    120 billions? :)) For a company with no profits, and with absolutely nothing proprietary that can't be replicated easily as long as you throw money at it to operate at a loss (like Uber does)?

    Anybody that has a few hundred millions can come out with lower commissions, pump advertising like there's no tomorrow and people will jump immediately.

    This is basically just people who lost a ton of money on Uber so far, and are now waiting to get out ASAP with other sucker's money. Hopefully at a profit, but if they can recoup anything they'll probably be very happy.

    1. Re:Uber valuation is insanity by 1ucius · · Score: 1

      I'm skeptical too, but ... I suppose the theory is that Uber can bankrupt the startup via predatory pricing, then return to monopoly profits afterwords.

      The major airlines have been relatively successful with the strategy over the years

    2. Re:Uber valuation is insanity by TFlan91 · · Score: 2

      I'll call you an Uber for Fyre Festival

    3. Re:Uber valuation is insanity by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      with absolutely nothing proprietary

      Hold on there, I haven't finished my patent search for "ordering a cab .. with a computer!"

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    4. Re:Uber valuation is insanity by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      For a company with no profits, and with absolutely nothing proprietary that can't be replicated easily as long as you throw money at it to operate at a loss (like Uber does)?

      They have a gigantic user base. Just getting someone to use your app in the first place is a massive advantage, and is really the hardest part getting this stuff off of the ground these days. That alone is worth something. Whether it's worth $120 billion is another question.

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    5. Re:Uber valuation is insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A $120B mailing list! Can you imagine the spam that could generate?

  15. Ueber and Lyft have no network effect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I predict neither company is going to achieve monopoly because there's no network effect in ride hailing. In fact, it's likely if one or the other tries to raise prices very much, competitors will pop up over night.

    Currently, most drivers use BOTH services. One service can't suddenly get more drivers because they don't actually employee drivers, they're all independent.
    Riders also use both services for the very same reasons.

    There's no lock-in with the app, and no real learning curve. Switching to one or the other doesn't matter. There's no downside to switching, since there's no Facebook or Twitter like effect where switching to a competitor is "costly" since you leave all your "friends".

    There's no real technological advantage of one over the other, and realistically can't be. Finding a ride isn't a hard problem, like say Search is. A student in an advanced CSCI class can solve the problem.

  16. Explain where the money evaporates ?? Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real question is... after all those years, how can Uber NOT BE PROFITABLE ???
    Where the money goes ???
    they just have to develop ONE freaking application... how the hell are they burning all those billions dollars they earn with their million non paid drivers ???
    I mean, on Each and every ride, Uber get his own cut of profit !!!

    Can anyone explain me where the money goes beside prostitutes and cocaïn ???

    1. Re:Explain where the money evaporates ?? Please by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uber has _16,000_ employees. To write and maintain a couple of apps and some infrastructure.

      Never underestimate large company inefficiency. They are almost as bad as governments.

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    2. Re:Explain where the money evaporates ?? Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're worse than all of the above, unemployed, rambling online for free accomplishing jack shit. You're a moron.

    3. Re:Explain where the money evaporates ?? Please by zlives · · Score: 2

      welcome to blitzscaling, or as we used to call it in the olden times, throwing money at a problem.

    4. Re:Explain where the money evaporates ?? Please by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Communication overhead scales on the order of N^2. Not a good plan.

      Not that you are implying that 'throwing money at a problem' is a good plan.

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  17. Trump's only job was cheating on his taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you want to blather about the Clintons like that's not Putin's cock in your mouth, jizzing money all over your faggot traitor face, Trumptard? Get shot please traitor, back to Moscow with you.

  18. commies rule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the billions raised by Uber and Lyft hadn't materialized, the money still wouldn't have gone to poor people to start their projects because the government only allows capital to be acquired by those who can pay lawyers a million dollars to get the government's permission to raise capital.

  19. Not a New Problem by Mr_Blank · · Score: 2

    This rapid growth at all costs strategy is not new. The robber barons of the gilded age would literally kill the competition if given the chance. In more recent times Jack Welch, the CEO of GE from 1981 until 2001, was famous for his "#1 or #2" strategy.

    Here is an excerpt from the 2003 article The Competitor: Jack Welch's Burning Platform:

    Devising a Business Philosophy
    In pursuit of growth, Welch wanted only those businesses that were number 1 or 2 in their markets in the GE portfolio.

    As a result of this restructuring, the business could employ more aggressive tactics, such as in pricing, and have the resources to develop new products.

    Without the Number 1, Number 2 strategy, Welch said, inflation would start to impede worldwide growth. There would be no room for a mediocre supplier of products and services. Successful companies in such a slow-growth environment would be those that searched out and participated in growth industries and insisted on being number 1 or number 2 in every business they were in. They would need to be the number 1 or number 2 leanest, lowest cost, worldwide producers of quality goods and services, or they would have to have a definite technological edge in some market.

    He downsized the GE payroll, ending the “no layoff” policy that had characterized the company and many other large U.S. firms. He sold $12-billion worth of businesses and purchased $26-billion worth of others. And, he pared GE’s workforce from 412,000 to a mere 229,000.

    To Welch, keeping people in place who contributed little or nothing to the company represented a failed strategy. It was a major reason why a company under-performed. GE’s key competition in the early 1980s was coming from overseas enterprises that paid their employees less and achieved higher productivity rates. To compete successfully with such companies, GE had to upgrade equipment and cut employee rolls.

    1. Re:Not a New Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is an excerpt from the 2003 article The Competitor: Jack Welch's Burning Platform:

      Devising a Business Philosophy
      In pursuit of growth, Welch wanted only those businesses that were number 1 or 2 in their markets in the GE portfolio.

      Taken at face value, this doesn't make sense to me. If you want businesses that can grow, you don't want them to already fill the room the most or the second-most. You'd want a lot of room left to grow in.

      Without the Number 1, Number 2 strategy, Welch said, inflation would start to impede worldwide growth.

      I have no idea how that is supposed to work. Anyone want to enlighten me? It sounds like a mostly meaningless buzzword salad to me.

      There would be no room for a mediocre supplier of products and services.

      Going for "#1, #2" does not guarantee an absence of mediocre products and services. The biggest companies in a market tend to be dominant and arrogant, not particularly good at maintaining the high standards that might have helped get them there.

      My reading is that Welch equated "success" with being the biggest at all costs, in the most markets, but that doesn't imply that what you're doing is going to be good for the customer. Instead of attracting custom through quality, you're focusing on (effectively) taking the customer's choice away by being the "(second) most looming" choice in any market, regardless of how this came to be.

      I'm sure /.ers can think of companies who maintain being the biggest by dint of relentlessly bullying everyone and everything, including competitors, related manufacturers, and customers.

      Anyway, mr. Welch legacy either didn't pan out or didn't last, since GE needed bailouts not too long after.

  20. Amazon by DogDude · · Score: 1

    That's what Amazon is doing. Unfortunately, it's working.

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  21. Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't monopoly the entire purpose of intellectual property? Why would you expect companies built on it to be anything other than monopolies in practice and philosophy? It is so mundane, most people here don't really see any alternative.

  22. Network effect by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 2

    Actually most rideshare drivers have both the Uber and Lyft apps running at the same time. When they accept a ping on one app they set the other to offline until the ride is complete so they can protect their acceptance rate. There is actually another app, called Mystro, that manages this process for you. It also allows the driver to set various preferences and automatically prioritize certain rides over others. Mystro is supposedly working to incorporate other gig services like Door Dash, Postmates, and Uber Eats.

  23. SQL server, the Microsoft product? by snadrus · · Score: 1

    ...is another crap product (at the start) that got out faster.

    Overall, society gets a new concept faster. We are able to rationalize about the woes in public.

    Otherwise you have "Magic Leap" where we don't know what we are going to get until we get it, and it's usually missing the mark.
    That's worse for investors, buyers, and society.

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  24. Monopoly profits by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 1

    I think the limiting factors on monopoly profits (in an unregulated market) are the size of the barriers to entry and the amount of money the customers have.

    Clearly, the customers can afford much higher prices. They've been paying higher prices to taxi services for years.

    Barriers to entry for a ridesharing service trying to compete with a monopoly provider (either Uber of Lyft, whichever wins) don't seem that high to me. They have to put together an app and then advertise the shit out of it. That seems doable in the age of venture capital.

    Also, we don't live in an unregulated economy. The FTC considers a company to be a monopoly if they serve (I think?) 70% of their market Then they get extra scrutiny and prohibitions on anti-competitive behavior.

    For these reasons, I agree that we are unlikely to see a true monopoly. I don't think Uber can kill Lyft. I think we wind up with a Microsoft/Apple situation, where the two companies differentiate by culture, and price follows. Many drivers already prefer Lyft because Lyft riders are more likely to tip than Uber riders.

    1. Re:Monopoly profits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A new competitor must see a chance to make money though.
      I think we are safe from a monopoly as long as the ride sharing services can't force their drivers to drive only for them. If they can somehow exclude that the drivers work for others, then it's over.

  25. Re: then return to monopoly profits by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 1

    The problem is that the barriers to entry are too low to ever let them really get groovy with the predatory pricing. Especially if they can't kill Lyft. Killing Lyft would bring close FTC scrutiny, so they might not even try.

  26. You're a moron Huxley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not a businessman, not an economist, not a historian, not a scholar. A moron.

  27. IT consumer needs simplicity and universality by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

    I would argue that the network effect is a benefit to the consumer in the area of IT services or devices.

    This technology is so complex that the average non-engineer couldn't wade through a litany of incompatible choices. And would get stuck in islands of unusability. So, what, I have to install 10 ride-sharing apps, depending on where I'm going to be, and carry 5 different kinds of payment card to use them, because each service uses a different payment infrastructure?

    Probably the ideal end-state, as far as the consumer is concerned, is a duopoly, to ensure competitive improvement and price competition, but also with regulated mandated interoperability / mobility of data, eventually, once the tech is mature enough and market well defined enough to enable that.

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  28. monopoly is such a harsh word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just call it an "economic moat" like Warren Buffett does. He is said to only invest in companies where he sees an economic moat.

  29. When the working class spends it by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    the power is diluted drastically. That's because you're mostly spending on necessities (food, housing, healthcare, education, transportation and communications). In other words, you're not in a stronger bargaining position by making purchases since were going to make those purchases anyway. Not so for the ultra rich.

    Yeah, the Clinton's suck eggs and you'll never go broke hating on them. But buying competitors rules. Again, you can count on the working class to need certain things. You can buy your competitors and jack up prices. If all else fails you liquidate your purchase like they did with Sears and then stick the government with the debt from pensions and the like. It's a win-win.

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  30. You don't understand how venture capital works by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    there is zero actual risk. That's because:

    a. They only invest when the probability of a big payout is high or when it's guaranteed (often by the government in the form of bail outs).

    b. They use the losses to offset taxes paid on the wins.

    c. If all else fails they game the system. Like art dealers, where they buy a painting for $1 million, then another from the same artist for $2 million, declare demand for the paintings makes them worth $10 million each, donate them to a gallery and write off $20 million on their taxes for a net of $4-6 million. If you ever wondered where ridiculously overpriced art came from this is it.

    The system isn't broken, this is how it was built to work, and folks like you let it be built that way because of blind faith in capitalism.

    As for who that money should go to, how about the people who earned it? e.g. the working class.

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    1. Re:You don't understand how venture capital works by virtig01 · · Score: 1

      b. They use the losses to offset taxes paid on the wins.

      Offsetting taxes is not the same as profiting. You still need gains in excess of the losses to make profit.

      That's where the risk is.... VCs need hits in excess of strikeouts. And they need to occur in the correct order. And the time horizon isn't infinite... there is risk to holding investments before they can be monetized.

  31. Check my post once more by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    it's only a measurement of power past the point where you can spend it. Until then it's a means to the end of obtaining the goods and services needed to live a nice life.

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    1. Re:Check my post once more by Can'tNot · · Score: 1

      I read your post, I was correcting you. "Obtaining goods and services" is just another way of saying, "Getting other people to do things for you and give your their stuff." In other words, it's influence. Power. The more money you have the more you can do this, but there's no point where it flips from not being about power. It's always a measure of power no matter how much of it you have.

      Not that I was disagreeing with you about the other part. I wasn't really commenting on that.

  32. Not according to your link... by virtig01 · · Score: 1

    They generally become super wealthy by inheriting it.

    That's not quite what your inequality.org links says.

    22% had inheritances up to $1M
    11% had inheritances over $1M
    7% had inheritances over $50M
    21% made the list solely through inheritance ($1.1B+)

    What's "super wealthy"? Getting an inheritance "up to $1M".... that's like, everybody. And 12% of US households are worth over a $1M, so I think it takes more than that to be "super" wealthy.

    Secondly, getting an inheritance doesn't mean you didn't make your billions yourself. Bill Gates came from a rich family, but he was a billionaire before his parents died. The Forbes 400 is mostly people who started as thousandaires and millionaires who then did something to become super wealthy.

  33. Bad for Society?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How could anything with "Blitz" in the title be bad for society?

  34. Only Wall St. Funny Money makes this possible! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wall St creates an enormous amount of money -- literally through its commercial banking operations -- that allows the funding of these mega deals. Without the leverage of these money creating loans the valuations would be more in line with economic reality. Wall St lives on leverage, but to create leverage an asset must be found against which a loan can be made. Without an asset to purchase no loan can be made and no Wall St debt added to the system. But, almost all assets are now leveraged to the hilt. So, to keep this Ponzi Scheme -- Ahem I meant system -- going Wall St needs to find new assets. What better place than Silicon Valley with all those bright, shiny, new startups! A loan can only be made against the value of an asset, so the more valuable the asset the bigger the loan and the bigger the debt instrument, and more fees for Wall St.

    A moment of reflection will show that this is truly a Self Perpetuating Ponzi scheme. A new asset is created that is disconnected from real economic value. I.e. the startup IPO. That asset is purchased by leverage created money, which makes it artificially attractive, so the price of the asset goes up. The increased "value" of the asset can then be used to back more money creating leverage loans. Rinse and repeat...until the bust comes.

  35. This is something I think folks don't realize by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    the King didn't need the peasants to buy his product. He just owned everything and the peasants did as they were told. We're returning to monarchy, we've just changed the names from Kings, Queens and Duke/Duchess to CEO/CFO and principle shareholder.

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