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Call for Retraction of 400 Scientific Papers On Organ Transplantation Amid Fears That Organs Came From Chinese Prisoners (theguardian.com)
A world-first study has called for the mass retraction of more than 400 scientific papers on organ transplantation, amid fears the organs were obtained unethically from Chinese prisoners. The Guardian reports: The Australian-led study exposes a mass failure of English language medical journals to comply with international ethical standards in place to ensure organ donors provide consent for transplantation. The study was published on Wednesday in the medical journal BMJ Open. Its author, the professor of clinical ethics Wendy Rogers, said journals, researchers and clinicians who used the research were complicit in "barbaric" methods of organ procurement.
"There's no real pressure from research leaders on China to be more transparent," Rogers, from Macquarie University in Sydney, said. "Everyone seems to say, 'It's not our job.' The world's silence on this barbaric issue must stop." A report published in 2016 found a large discrepancy between official transplant figures from the Chinese government and the number of transplants reported by hospitals. While the government says 10,000 transplants occur each year, hospital data shows between 60,000 to 100,000 organs are transplanted each year. The report provides evidence that this gap is being made up by executed prisoners of conscience.
"There's no real pressure from research leaders on China to be more transparent," Rogers, from Macquarie University in Sydney, said. "Everyone seems to say, 'It's not our job.' The world's silence on this barbaric issue must stop." A report published in 2016 found a large discrepancy between official transplant figures from the Chinese government and the number of transplants reported by hospitals. While the government says 10,000 transplants occur each year, hospital data shows between 60,000 to 100,000 organs are transplanted each year. The report provides evidence that this gap is being made up by executed prisoners of conscience.
...was many centuries ago however... The science is still valid though which is what matters...
A while ago, a bunch of Nazi scientists did some very, very unethical research. It was the kind of thing that would turn most people's stomachs. But rather than throw it away, we kept it, and for two reasons.
First, it was new data. They studied things that nobody else was studying (with reason) and medical science learned a lot from this.
Secondly, throwing it away would mean that those who died during this died for nothing. At least this way their sacrifice led to something meaningful.
Provided that these studies are accurate, they shouldn't be rejected, purely because we don't like the source. Sure, stop more abuses and ensure that there aren't any more studies in this vein, but the data exists, don't just throw it away. Keeping it means that we know more and there's less call to repeat these studies!
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Unless the papers were on ethics of organ translation, why would they need to be retracted, is the research any less valid just because research involved unethically obtained organs? Papers usually get retracted if the contents are bs, fabrication or plagiarism, not for an ethics problem with the research itself. Science is practical like that, what is true is true, what is false is false, ethics are a completely separate topic.
The far lefties KNOW that China is unethical in many things. This is just more of the same that they continue to back. Basically, it is not much different than how Hitler, Tojo, Mao and Stalin operated.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
While most is purloined from elsewhere, the rest of it is tainted in the same way Nazi Science is tainted.
China is a Totalitarian Communist Dictatorship with a facade of a Capitalist Economy.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
For those posting with comments along the lines of: "Why doesn't it matter if innocent slaves were tortured, the science is valid?!"
Ethics in medical (any) science is a very important, and we shouldn't encourage third-world dictatorships to create more suffering by accepting unethical medical research.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-ethics-of-using-medical-data-from-nazi-experiments
Holocaust survivor Susan Vigorito found the use of the word "data" a sterile term. She was 3½ when she and her twin sister, Hannah, arrived at Auschwitz. They were housed for an entire year in Mengele's private lab in a wooden cage a yard and a half wide. Without anesthetic, Mengele would repeatedly scrape at the bone tissue of one of her legs. Her sister died from repeated injections to her spinal column. She claims that she is the real data, the living data of Dr. Mengele.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4822534/
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Ok, so the work was done using illegal, questionable sources, etc. But the work is done, is the science bad? If the science is good, there is ZERO reason to remove the research. Just stop doing the bad stuff and penalize the researchers, but there is no reason at all to lose the knowledge gained.
that many of those victims only crime was to be against the government doing/allowing stuff like this to happen.
Sadly, only Chinese people have any real chance of stopping the Chinese government.
Yes, it is. There's a reason nobody goes to China for medical procedures. It doesn't matter how much cheaper it is - nobody trusts Chinese, for good reason.
Don't understand, whats the problem? They got results and money, is there anything else? You wanted this, why you complain now
The data is public and I assure you will be reviewed and referenced, the difference is with public dismissal it means they will get no credentials or accolade (academics, even socialist ones love accolades). So it's a win win (except for the prisoners), the data has been published, but the unethical research will not be recognized.
The US isn't much better.
Obvious China shill
Organ harvesting from a Nazi-like Chinese government exists, and is going on. Discarding the research sends a message the practice must die out, and good ethical science will replace it like it was never there.
Continuing to allow this does exactly that. It continues to allow prisoners to have their organs unethically harvested in a macabre dystopian 3rd world manner.
You're an apologist. You should have your organs harvested.
Instead of throwing out the research, black out the reasearcher on the paper. Throw said researcher out of the scientific community so that they may never publish again. Then honor the victim by using his sacrifice to save lives.
Seriously people are so illogical these days. I can even tell you why other researchers are keen on this. Once research is thrown out, the conclusions are up for grabs, you can get your name out by doing a study with predetermined results and your name ends up in the history books. All on plagiarized theses. Hows that for ethical?!
And know you know how the mega-wealthy intend to live forever. Let's see ... an old rich dude dies today of liver failure, or an impoverished "prisoner" guilty of somehow offending TPTB dies today. Decisions, decisions ...
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(unaltered, provably non-deepfake, good chain of custody) or it didn't happen.
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Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
Unethical practices and procedures = unethical research and products. You're a moron. It's ok that you want to be a moron, there is an entire GOP made just for you that doesn't actually value human life either, nor ethics. You'll fit right in.
Meanwhile if someone should find value in your organs, harvest away right? I'm all for your decision - over your own body. Decide you want to be research material and we'll cart you right off. Que problema? Done.
It sounds like not only does "P"RC execute more people than all others combined, but even the figure used for that most alarming conclusion appears to be grossly underestimated. Wikipedia says executions are "down" to "only" 12000 a year, but 60k-100k (hospital transplant data) - 10k (donors) transplants = 50k-90k "discrepancy" DISGUSTING PRC!! Assholes! I feel sorry rfor ank and file Chinese people who have to live with such a brutal, oppressive, realpolotiking, lying, and just SHITTY government.
You mean wait until it needs YOUR organs. Or your mother's eyes. The problem with slippery ethical slopes is they don't tend to get better before they get much, much, much worse. This is MEDICINE we're talking about!
You mean no proof/argument is given, and they want to get rid of all the research?
The worse part is even if they did, it wouldn't change anything. China would continue doing what they are doing, and continue just publishing their research in Chinese journals for their benefit.
That includes multiple rapists, serial killers, etc. Falun Gong is a shell over insurrection, but it is nothing in comparison to hard criminals.
In a young Chinese girl. Is that part of this study?
they have no rights. we need to start using some of our MILLIONS of wastes-of-space for scientific experiments too. instead we leve it up to libtards who would rather give rapists and murderers the easy life in comfy, luxury prisons like they do in failed europe.
Even IF China is using the organs of executed prisoners without their consent, and timing their executions for the convenience of wealthy clients who buy their organs... is there any real evidence that China is actually doing it to anyone who wouldn't have probably been sentenced to death had they been convicted of doing the exact same thing somewhere like Texas or Florida?
China's government might be oppressive, but it has murderers, rapists, and street thugs, too. And it's not entirely unreasonable to expect that they have approximately 4 times as many as the US (in reality, I think they actually have about twice as many incarcerated criminals as the US, and execute about 2-3 times as many people per year as Texas and Florida did a decade ago... the point before the supply of lethal injection drugs dried up and both states had problems keeping up their formerly brisk schedules).
Look at it this way... if the feds were going to execute Timothy McVeigh ANYWAY, wouldn't it have been even more deliciously BETTER if he went to his death knowing that his organs were all going to earmarked for people belonging to the ethnic groups he despised? It would be like one final, satisfying bitchslap on his way to the grave...
Basically the US hide all war crime the japanese did at unit 731 in exchange of the results exclusively. Now THAT is unethical and immoral (the russian did something similar they gave slap of the hand prison penalty). As for prisoner... If you are doing death penalty , and there is no incentive to push for it solely for organ donation, then frankly I see as more ethical to enforce organ donation so that the condemned at least repay its debt to society, rather than let the organ rot just "because" some feel it more ethical. As if letting people on a list die is more ethical. That remind me of people wanting to stop donation of anancephallic baby organ to baby on organ transplant waiting list.
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Slaves first shrimp and organs
This is the inevitable result of allowing sociopaths to torture animals, day in and day out. Obviously they feel nothing when causing others unimaginable pain. So why would they stop with animals?
Next you'll tell me how DOCTORS conducted experiments on children in Nazi death camps. Shocking news!!
China are Commies, it's in the name !!
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A large amount if contemporary research is based on nazi experiments.
It's almost like no one reads history books anymore.
We cannot reverse what was done. If the scientists unwittingly used data from forced transplants, they are neither guilty nor complicit. If they knowingly violated ethical guidelines, they can be censured or blacklisted.
We have two choices: whether or not we use this data in the future now that we know about its provenance, and whether or not we use the knowledge that was gained earlier.
I believe that this call for retraction is an overstep and a mistake. Censure the scientists who knowingly benefited from organ harvesting, but do not purge this knowledge from the scientific record (which is essentially what a retraction does). Pushing science and medicine backwards has a cost as well, and that cost ultimately falls on everyone.
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Yes it sill happens. After the Falun gong arrests and executions the quality of of organs coming out of china improved dramatically. The Chinese Communist deny they are harvesting organs from executed prisoners.
Comparing the Nazi tests from 80+ years ago to a war crime currently being committed is misguided.
Because YOU would be evil for the harvesting.
Finally an example of where it doesn't really apply. This is some appalling stuff. All of it should be thrown out.
As someone pointed out, while the previous example doesn't exist anymore so the data can be used, whereas the current example does exist and we shouldn't be encouraging/condoning this behavior and should be actively censuring them.