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Facebook Ordered To Stop Combining WhatsApp and Instagram Data Without Consent in Germany; Company Says It Needs That Data To Fight Terrorism and Child Abuse (theverge.com)

Facebook has been ordered to curb its data collection practices in Germany after a landmark ruling on Thursday that the world's largest social network abused its market dominance to gather information about users without their consent. From a report: The order applies to data collected by Facebook-owned platforms like WhatsApp and Instagram, but also third-party sources that Facebook uses to flesh out its advertising profiles, including those of non-users. The Bundeskartellamt, or Federal Cartel Office (FCO), has given Facebook one month to appeal the landmark decision, which comes after a three-year investigation. If the appeal fails, the tech company will have to ensure these data sources are not combined without consent within the next four months. Although the ruling only applies within Germany, the decision could influence regulators in other countries. Gizmodo adds: Facebook insists that combining all of that data is actually great. In fact, the company says, it's keeping everyone safe from stuff like terrorism and child abuse. From Facebook's statement this morning: "Facebook has always been about connecting you with people and information you're interested in. We tailor each person's Facebook experience so it's unique to you, and we use a variety of information to do this -- including the information you include on your profile, news stories you like or share and what other services share with us about your use of their websites and apps. Using information across our services also helps us protect people's safety and security, including, for example, identifying abusive behavior and disabling accounts tied to terrorism, child exploitation and election interference across both Facebook and Instagram."

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  1. Re: Shitty smelly parasites hindu-chimps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh I think people are smart enough to take care of themselves without this kind of interference.

  2. We can expect to see this more and more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When a company is doing something that will violate the law, in this case combining data, and is ordered to stop then invoke: "B-b-but TERRISZM!" Also don't forget to invoke child welfare ("FER TEH CHILLDRUN!!!") for extra effect.

    1. Re:We can expect to see this more and more by alexo · · Score: 2

      The regulators should counter by insisting that Mark Zuckerberg must be subject to daily anal probes, to combat terrorism and child abuse of course.

    2. Re:We can expect to see this more and more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol Zuckerborg is FAR too rich to have to worry about regulators and laws.

    3. Re:We can expect to see this more and more by sconeu · · Score: 0

      Only works in the US (and the UK)

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    4. Re:We can expect to see this more and more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, Facebook is wrong here.

      Facebook does not fight child abuse. The police (and possibly social services) deal with child abuse.
      Facebook does not fight terrorism. The military, the police, intelligence services and their various task forces fight terrorism.

      Facebook might occasionally get briefly involved when the above mentioned agencies show up with warrants and demand immediate & full access to a long list of suspect accounts. As well as their Facebook friends & followers & anyone they ever communicated with. "Just hand over some master credentials we can use - planes are in the air now, and they need to know where to drop the bombs."

      Facebook "fighting" anything - sheesh.

    5. Re:We can expect to see this more and more by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 0

      When a company is doing something that will violate the law, in this case combining data, and is ordered to stop then invoke: "B-b-but TERRISZM!" Also don't forget to invoke child welfare ("FER TEH CHILLDRUN!!!") for extra effect.

      Governments have been doing this for decades. As soon as laws are passed they immediately begin abusing it beyond the rationalizing scope.

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    6. Re: We can expect to see this more and more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      +2 and disabling accounts is bullshit, they need to be reporting these to the police if they suspect a crime and keep the account open to allow police to get a warrant and collect evidence

    7. Re:We can expect to see this more and more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Facebook has always been about collecting as much personal private data about everyone we possibly can (whether they are signed up with us or not) and making as much money as we can selling that information to anyone who will pay for it!"

      There, fixed that statement for ya!!

    8. Re:We can expect to see this more and more by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      That is not longer enough now it must include "Election Interference", you fucking nobodies who think you have the right to discuss politics publicly, you are all Russian bots when you disagree with the establishment, the only proof they need a https://mail.yandex.com/ account, just send one email and you are marked for life as a Russian Robot, in fact the most sound reason to have a Yandex email account in the first place, who doesn't want to be falsely branded as a Russian Robot, libel laws are much more powerful in some locales than others.

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    9. Re: We can expect to see this more and more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Facebook "fighting" anything - sheesh.'

      Faceboot spends lots of effort fighting against free speech.

    10. Re:We can expect to see this more and more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terrorism and childpornography? Damn, who gave Facebook the passwords to the constitution.

  3. "Won't someone think of the children" by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

    by the Mark Zuckerberg himself is especially disgusting.

    1. Re:"Won't someone think of the children" by HexaDex · · Score: 1

      Damn, beat me to it! Immediate mental image of Maude Flanders...

    2. Re:"Won't someone think of the children" by sp0tter · · Score: 1

      fwiw that line belongs to Helen Lovejoy

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    3. Re:"Won't someone think of the children" by HexaDex · · Score: 1

      D'oh!!!

  4. "To Fight Terrorism and Child Abuse" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Facebuck actually cares about those?!?!

    ROFLMFAO

    1. Re:"To Fight Terrorism and Child Abuse" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't. They just learned to speak politics.

    2. Re:"To Fight Terrorism and Child Abuse" by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      Facebuck actually cares about those?!?!

      ROFLMFAO

      Facebook didn't say they were fighting *against* terrorism and child abuse.

  5. Facebook Keeping Homeland Secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God bless them for caring so much. I feel safe and secure using Facebook. Without them those pinko commie Russians and Chinese would meddle in our elections. Fake Russian news might even acuse us of meddling in Venezuela's politics. Such thinking just can't be allowed in a civilized society... .. and remember to always obey the authorities when they tell you to stay in your office instead of running out of the burning skyscraper. LOL
      ae911truth dot org

  6. combining all that data is great ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... because we are making lots of money with this.

  7. Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Facebook insists that combining all of that data is actually great".

    Yeah, right. And Facebook insists that Facebook is great, while the reality is that it is a steaming pile of shit. Facebook is long out of control.

    Did someone read Zuck's op-ed in several big newspapers, about two weeks ago? This guy is an arrogant twit and lies through his teeth -- or he is an idiot. Possibly both.

    I'm praying I don't meet this guy in one of the city's dark corners, lest I end up in jail.

    1. Re:Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll give you an alaibi :-)

  8. facebook is world police now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Especially in Germany they don't particularly like when someone who isn't actually a LEO pretends to be a LEO. Hey, maybe it's different for large corporations, right?

    1. Re:facebook is world police now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially in Germany they don't particularly like when someone who isn't actually a LEO pretends to be a LEO. Hey, maybe it's different for large corporations, right?

      Fuck Germany, kraut.

    2. Re:facebook is world police now? by green1 · · Score: 1

      Everything is ALWAYS different for large corporations.

    3. Re: facebook is world police now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "DERP, I'm a DERP!"

      - You

  9. Facebook's mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To connect you with terrorists, child abusers, right-wing populists, influencers, specialists in manipulating elections, propaganda bots, fake news and ads?

  10. They know how to pander to EU governments. by oic0 · · Score: 2

    If they agree to report people for offensive speech and ideas too, they can probably cut a deal.

  11. The Four Horsemen Of The Infocalpse by ptaff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, invoking two of the Four Horsemen Of The Infocalypse to justify eroding privacy:

    • Terrorists
    • Organized Crime
    • Drug Dealers
    • Child Abuse

    This is a new low, even for Facebook.

    1. Re:The Four Horsemen Of The Infocalpse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, invoking two of the Four Horsemen Of The Infocalypse to justify eroding privacy:

      • Terrorists
      • Organized Crime
      • Drug Dealers
      • Child Abuse

      This is a new low, even for Facebook.

      Don't forget Nazis and alt-right.

    2. Re:The Four Horsemen Of The Infocalpse by balbeir · · Score: 1

      Damn, where do we fit the caravans in?

  12. Good... For Facebook by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Facebook insists that combining all of that data is actually great.

    I'm sure it is... for Facebook. For end users? Probably not so much.

    In fact, the company says, it's keeping everyone safe from stuff like terrorism and child abuse.

    That is such a non-sequitur I think my brain just broke.

    Facebook has always been about connecting you with people and information you're interested in.

    Noooo... Facebook has always been about monetizing you and the people and information you are interested in.

  13. hahahahahahaha, amazing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you imagine expecting a private company to be responsible for fighting terrorism or child abuse?

    They have one obligation, to themselves. This is both good and bad. But companies are not and can not be moral centers.

    1. Re:hahahahahahaha, amazing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you imagine expecting a private company to be responsible for fighting terrorism or child abuse?

      Well, there is Blackwater - used to fight something in Iraq? Possibly terrorists?

  14. Facebook - the new government watchdog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF? Facebook needs my kids data to keep them safe? Fuck you, Mark.

  15. Badthink is Terrorism and Nipples are Kiddie Porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember, any unapproved political speech is terrorism and censored aggressively on facebook. Similarly, any image with part of a nipple is bad and censored. Clearly, they need to keep bad people off facebook.

  16. Think of the Children! Think of the terrorists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, right.

  17. Not Facebook's job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since when is it Facebook's job to protect us all from terrorism and child-sex-trafficking? WTF. I'd prefer to leave those activities to law-enforcement.

  18. Not both at once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think someone at Facebook realized the "Think of the children" and "Because terrorism" arguments always work in politics and had the idea to combine them. Not realizing that when you combine two powerful tools to manipulate stupid people it makes a mixture that just smells of bullshit.

  19. Re:Badthink is Terrorism and Nipples are Kiddie Po by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    Similarly, any image with part of a nipple is bad and censored. Clearly, they need to keep bad people off facebook.

    So it's resolved then. All people with nipples should be immediately removed from Facebook.

  20. Facebook is not the goddam ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    ... government. They don't give one flying rat's ass about anything but money.

    Facebook deflects worse than Trump.

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    1. Re:Facebook is not the goddam ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ORANGE. MAN. BAD!

  21. Myanmar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But Facebook don't seem to be concerned about the terrorism & abuse, including children, that it's facilitating. In fact FB's business model of sowing social & political division, in order to keep more users online for longer to increase their share price, is more than likely exacerbating the problems there.

  22. Time to arrest Facebook. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've clearly stated that they are doing the job of law enforcement, despite not being police.
    They've clearly stated that they are doing the job of private investigators, despite not having a P.I. license.

    This makes them vigilantes.

    Vigilantism is illegal.

    Arrest them all.

  23. So if you use FB... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you're a terrorist or a pedo.
    Surprised?

  24. it would be great.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be totally fantastic if that was the only thing they did..
    But FB cant keep their sticky fingers out of the cookie jar and do only that...

  25. WhatsApp had negative value, yet FB bought it by lgordon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A service that allows free encrypted phone and video calls and uses the contact list and phone numbers in order to make the calls? With no revenue generation? The only reason Facebook bought the company in the first place was because the users allowed access to their contacts. Other than that, the company had negative value.

  26. Bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What they say ...

    Facebook has always been about connecting you with people and information you're interested in. We tailor each person's Facebook experience so it's unique to you ... Using information across our services also helps us protect people's safety and security

    What they really mean ...

    Facebook has always been about collecting your information, information about what you're interested in, and information about who you know. We use each person's Facebook information to show you ads to make money ... Using information across our services also helps us maximize profits

    Facebook is an ad company ran by a fucking asshole, let's not lose sight of that.

    They don't care about keeping you safe and secure, they care about monetizing your information.

    Fuck all of the greedy douchebags who work for Facebook.

  27. Re:Badthink is Terrorism and Nipples are Kiddie Po by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only perky ones. They are unwholesome.

  28. No, he's doing it as a joke! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't it be the first thing you'd use as an argument? Given that they use it all the time for every bullshit.

    It can only going be good. Since they have to admit that the "fight terrorism" and "think of the children" pseudo-arguments are bullshit, to get their way. :)

    Let those motherfuckers struggle amd wind like an eel.
    At least Zuck may do do us a service for once in his life. Even if it is just to protect his own sleazy ass.

  29. Solution by sexconker · · Score: 1

    If you want to stop terrorism and child abuse, just mandate all children be named Mohamed until they hit 18 years old.
    Anyone abusing them will get an instant fatwa on their heads. Terrorists will be too busy going after the child abusers to terrorize anyone else.

  30. Who commissioned them? by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    When did Fakebook receive a commission to fight terrorism and child abuse? If they have been doing such, how many convictions have they contributed to?

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  31. And that's why we can't have encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The irony of states that oppose encryption so they can fight terrorism and child porn being told FaceBook can't decouple data because Facebook needs it to fight terrorism and porn is a balm for my soul.

  32. The new authority by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook is trying to convince us that they are the new police in town. When it comes to crime or profits, Facebook will ignore the crime for profit every time. Facebook is not your great crime fighting company. They are a holy turd at best.

  33. Huh by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

    When did Facebook become part of law enforcement? Otherwise, I'm really confused by Facebook's argument... Unless they've identified terrorists and child abusers as good demographics for advertisers...

  34. Ahh Facebook by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

    Hiding behind terrorists and pedophiles.

  35. Re:"Won't someone think of the MONEY" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTFY...

  36. Tech companies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...need to just pull completely out from all EU countries. All of them. Let's see how they fare without access to most of the useful tools on the net they can use.

    Top it off my MS pulling all user licenses and suing companies in the EU under EU law.

    f the EU

    1. Re:Tech companies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here they are, the obligatory, "f the EU" retard.

      Day 1: MS(e.g.) pulls out of EU
      Day 2: MS shares slump due to loss of massive EU market
      Day 3: Massive and ultimately successful lawsuit from shareholders based on destruction of shareholder value.

      MS etc. know this, that is why day 1 is not going to happen.

      Anyhow, with you being a retard I expect this is far too difficult to understand.

  37. WhatsApp USED actually be a good product! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    USED to be. Facebook destroys everything it touches out of greed and evil. Too bad to, a bunch of us used to really like whatsapp.