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Facebook Ordered To Stop Combining WhatsApp and Instagram Data Without Consent in Germany; Company Says It Needs That Data To Fight Terrorism and Child Abuse (theverge.com)

Facebook has been ordered to curb its data collection practices in Germany after a landmark ruling on Thursday that the world's largest social network abused its market dominance to gather information about users without their consent. From a report: The order applies to data collected by Facebook-owned platforms like WhatsApp and Instagram, but also third-party sources that Facebook uses to flesh out its advertising profiles, including those of non-users. The Bundeskartellamt, or Federal Cartel Office (FCO), has given Facebook one month to appeal the landmark decision, which comes after a three-year investigation. If the appeal fails, the tech company will have to ensure these data sources are not combined without consent within the next four months. Although the ruling only applies within Germany, the decision could influence regulators in other countries. Gizmodo adds: Facebook insists that combining all of that data is actually great. In fact, the company says, it's keeping everyone safe from stuff like terrorism and child abuse. From Facebook's statement this morning: "Facebook has always been about connecting you with people and information you're interested in. We tailor each person's Facebook experience so it's unique to you, and we use a variety of information to do this -- including the information you include on your profile, news stories you like or share and what other services share with us about your use of their websites and apps. Using information across our services also helps us protect people's safety and security, including, for example, identifying abusive behavior and disabling accounts tied to terrorism, child exploitation and election interference across both Facebook and Instagram."

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  1. We can expect to see this more and more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When a company is doing something that will violate the law, in this case combining data, and is ordered to stop then invoke: "B-b-but TERRISZM!" Also don't forget to invoke child welfare ("FER TEH CHILLDRUN!!!") for extra effect.

    1. Re:We can expect to see this more and more by alexo · · Score: 2

      The regulators should counter by insisting that Mark Zuckerberg must be subject to daily anal probes, to combat terrorism and child abuse of course.

    2. Re:We can expect to see this more and more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, Facebook is wrong here.

      Facebook does not fight child abuse. The police (and possibly social services) deal with child abuse.
      Facebook does not fight terrorism. The military, the police, intelligence services and their various task forces fight terrorism.

      Facebook might occasionally get briefly involved when the above mentioned agencies show up with warrants and demand immediate & full access to a long list of suspect accounts. As well as their Facebook friends & followers & anyone they ever communicated with. "Just hand over some master credentials we can use - planes are in the air now, and they need to know where to drop the bombs."

      Facebook "fighting" anything - sheesh.

    3. Re: We can expect to see this more and more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      +2 and disabling accounts is bullshit, they need to be reporting these to the police if they suspect a crime and keep the account open to allow police to get a warrant and collect evidence

    4. Re:We can expect to see this more and more by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      That is not longer enough now it must include "Election Interference", you fucking nobodies who think you have the right to discuss politics publicly, you are all Russian bots when you disagree with the establishment, the only proof they need a https://mail.yandex.com/ account, just send one email and you are marked for life as a Russian Robot, in fact the most sound reason to have a Yandex email account in the first place, who doesn't want to be falsely branded as a Russian Robot, libel laws are much more powerful in some locales than others.

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  2. "Won't someone think of the children" by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

    by the Mark Zuckerberg himself is especially disgusting.

    1. Re:"Won't someone think of the children" by HexaDex · · Score: 1

      Damn, beat me to it! Immediate mental image of Maude Flanders...

    2. Re:"Won't someone think of the children" by sp0tter · · Score: 1

      fwiw that line belongs to Helen Lovejoy

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    3. Re:"Won't someone think of the children" by HexaDex · · Score: 1

      D'oh!!!

  3. "To Fight Terrorism and Child Abuse" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Facebuck actually cares about those?!?!

    ROFLMFAO

    1. Re:"To Fight Terrorism and Child Abuse" by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      Facebuck actually cares about those?!?!

      ROFLMFAO

      Facebook didn't say they were fighting *against* terrorism and child abuse.

  4. Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Facebook insists that combining all of that data is actually great".

    Yeah, right. And Facebook insists that Facebook is great, while the reality is that it is a steaming pile of shit. Facebook is long out of control.

    Did someone read Zuck's op-ed in several big newspapers, about two weeks ago? This guy is an arrogant twit and lies through his teeth -- or he is an idiot. Possibly both.

    I'm praying I don't meet this guy in one of the city's dark corners, lest I end up in jail.

  5. facebook is world police now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Especially in Germany they don't particularly like when someone who isn't actually a LEO pretends to be a LEO. Hey, maybe it's different for large corporations, right?

    1. Re:facebook is world police now? by green1 · · Score: 1

      Everything is ALWAYS different for large corporations.

  6. They know how to pander to EU governments. by oic0 · · Score: 2

    If they agree to report people for offensive speech and ideas too, they can probably cut a deal.

  7. The Four Horsemen Of The Infocalpse by ptaff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, invoking two of the Four Horsemen Of The Infocalypse to justify eroding privacy:

    • Terrorists
    • Organized Crime
    • Drug Dealers
    • Child Abuse

    This is a new low, even for Facebook.

    1. Re:The Four Horsemen Of The Infocalpse by balbeir · · Score: 1

      Damn, where do we fit the caravans in?

  8. Good... For Facebook by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Facebook insists that combining all of that data is actually great.

    I'm sure it is... for Facebook. For end users? Probably not so much.

    In fact, the company says, it's keeping everyone safe from stuff like terrorism and child abuse.

    That is such a non-sequitur I think my brain just broke.

    Facebook has always been about connecting you with people and information you're interested in.

    Noooo... Facebook has always been about monetizing you and the people and information you are interested in.

  9. Not Facebook's job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since when is it Facebook's job to protect us all from terrorism and child-sex-trafficking? WTF. I'd prefer to leave those activities to law-enforcement.

  10. Not both at once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think someone at Facebook realized the "Think of the children" and "Because terrorism" arguments always work in politics and had the idea to combine them. Not realizing that when you combine two powerful tools to manipulate stupid people it makes a mixture that just smells of bullshit.

  11. Re:Badthink is Terrorism and Nipples are Kiddie Po by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    Similarly, any image with part of a nipple is bad and censored. Clearly, they need to keep bad people off facebook.

    So it's resolved then. All people with nipples should be immediately removed from Facebook.

  12. Facebook is not the goddam ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    ... government. They don't give one flying rat's ass about anything but money.

    Facebook deflects worse than Trump.

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  13. WhatsApp had negative value, yet FB bought it by lgordon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A service that allows free encrypted phone and video calls and uses the contact list and phone numbers in order to make the calls? With no revenue generation? The only reason Facebook bought the company in the first place was because the users allowed access to their contacts. Other than that, the company had negative value.

  14. Solution by sexconker · · Score: 1

    If you want to stop terrorism and child abuse, just mandate all children be named Mohamed until they hit 18 years old.
    Anyone abusing them will get an instant fatwa on their heads. Terrorists will be too busy going after the child abusers to terrorize anyone else.

  15. Who commissioned them? by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    When did Fakebook receive a commission to fight terrorism and child abuse? If they have been doing such, how many convictions have they contributed to?

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  16. Huh by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

    When did Facebook become part of law enforcement? Otherwise, I'm really confused by Facebook's argument... Unless they've identified terrorists and child abusers as good demographics for advertisers...

  17. Ahh Facebook by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

    Hiding behind terrorists and pedophiles.