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Microsoft Brings AI-Powered Background Blurring To Skype (betanews.com)

A few months after adding background blurring to its Teams tool, Microsoft has brought the same option to Skype on the desktop. From a report: The feature serves two purposes. Firstly it helps to focus attention on the person that is speaking, but secondly -- and perhaps more importantly -- it hides any untidiness (or secrets) that may be going on behind the speaker. It's another push from Microsoft to move people away from Skype Classic to Skype 8. Background blurring makes use of artificial intelligence to pick out the subject of a video, having been trained to detect hair, hands and arms.

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  1. But I'm a bald quadruple amputee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But what about bald quadruple amputees like myself.

  2. I wonder if paid enough by bobstreo · · Score: 2

    Microsoft has another algorithm so the background blurring could be restored?

    I'm guessing there are plenty of governments and government agencies that would like to see more details...

    1. Re:I wonder if paid enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody in their right mind will use a video call in a place with visible secrets. (Skype support audio-only too.) Even with blurring, you don't know if they blur enough. Or if the blurring might be reversible.

      Even worse, the background may very well be necessary and part of the presentation. "Look at this map/list/oil painting/scenery/construction site/... As you see, we have a problem, so ..."

  3. Does it work for black people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Background blurring makes use of artificial intelligence to pick out the subject of a video, having been trained to detect hair, hands and arms" of white people only?

    https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/02/11/1055241/facial-recognition-is-accurate-if-youre-a-white-guy

    1. Re:Does it work for black people? by Dan+East · · Score: 2

      If it's contrast based then there could be problems. I just tried it wearing headphones, and it was blurring them along the sides of my face. Most of the people I meet with wear headsets, so that might get annoying. So I suppose if you have a light skin color and a light background, or a dark skin color and a dark background, then there could be issues. It's not like it's using a kinect or iPhone X style 3D scanner.

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    2. Re:Does it work for black people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It's not like it's using a kinect or iPhone X style 3D scanner.

      I have a flat face, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:Does it work for black people? by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      If it's contrast based then there could be problems.

      There's a simple solution to all of this. Ahem, my solution, which is by Obfuscant, which is mine, is: don't Skype with secret crap on the wall behind you.

      Apologies to Anne Elephant.

    4. Re: Does it work for black people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      N1ggers get their own n1ggerkype.

    5. Re:Does it work for black people? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Or, don't skype about business stuff with anyone except fellow coworkers.

  4. Can it detect boobs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I only look at boobs, so this face, hair and arms thing is useless

    1. Re:Can it detect boobs? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      I've been WAY ahead of them for years.

      I just make sure to NOT have an active camera on my work computer.

      No picture available....no issues.

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  5. In 5 more years... by monkeyxpress · · Score: 1

    You know what is going to be cool in five years time? Bokeh free photos. You'll be amazed by them! Using advanced AI processing and machine learning, your phone will be able to expand the depth of field of the camera to remove that annoying blurring that occurs around objects further away. Now everything in your photos will be crisp, clear and in perfect focus - just the way they appear in real life. 2 years later when Apple releases the technology, they will term it Liquid Definition Retina Photos. It is going to be amazing.

    1. Re:In 5 more years... by sjbe · · Score: 1

      Using advanced AI processing and machine learning, your phone will be able to expand the depth of field of the camera to remove that annoying blurring that occurs around objects further away.

      Wow, you think there will be cameras that somehow will defy the laws of physics?

      Now everything in your photos will be crisp, clear and in perfect focus - just the way they appear in real life.

      You have eyes that defy physics too? Cool!

    2. Re:In 5 more years... by ron_ivi · · Score: 1

      Yes. But not by accurately representing details from the unblurred original. Rather by creating fictitious but believable un-blurred details that may or may not have been there. https://www.fastcompany.com/90... https://www.wired.co.uk/articl...

    3. Re:In 5 more years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Wow, you think there will be cameras that somehow will defy the laws of physics?

      Not necessary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-field_camera

    4. Re: In 5 more years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those of us with a real camera just stop the aperture up and down to do this. Who needs some marketing buzzwords and overpriced phones?

  6. Already on your smartphone by sjbe · · Score: 2

    This is already common tech in lots of smartphone cameras. When you use portrait mode, it is doing several things and one of them is often the simulation of the bokeh effect you get from good lenses. They are basically artificially blurring the background to simulate the effect and I imagine this is just a video application of the same basic concept. The lenses in most smartphone cameras are too small to have the depth of field necessary to blur backgrounds very effectively optically. It isn't that they are bad lenses, just that the laws of physics prevent them from doing this particular trick very well.

    Of course they have to pretend AI is somehow involved so they can punch their buzzword bingo card.

  7. moving away from skype classic.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, microsoft managed to move me and everybody I know away from skype classic by making it so bad it doesn't make any sense to use it for calls anymore. Everybody just uses whatsapp or something for video calls now. Mission accomplished?

  8. But does it work on black people? by yorgasor · · Score: 2

    Things like this are notoriously bad at picking out black people. Hopefully they've learned from past mistakes and they've trained the AI to be better.

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    1. Re:But does it work on black people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also bald people? The announcement lists "hair, hands and arms" - faces aren't even mentioned. Hopefully an oversight by their PR folks.

    2. Re:But does it work on black people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Black people don't use skype, why bother?

  9. Microsoft's own investment arm probably wants that by ron_ivi · · Score: 2
    Imagine the insider trading potential if M12 (Microsoft Ventures) has access to that.

    Every startup using skype with sales-forecasts on the "blurred" whiteboard showing aggressive growth may find it much easier to get funding.

    And M12 may start making supernaturally good investments.

    And they don't even need the details -- just a blurring AI that also returns a single bit: "yup, invest in this one", or "yipes, stay away".

  10. Not impressed by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Funny

    If they an teach AI to identify ugly people and blur their faces, we can talk.

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    1. Re:Not impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Then how the hell would anyone be able to hold a video call with you?

    2. Re:Not impressed by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Not at all, that's the point. I could work from home in my underwear.

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    3. Re:Not impressed by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Not at all, that's the point. I could work from home in my underwear.

      you know they invented these things called "telephones" which only transmit your voice, right? -_-

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    4. Re:Not impressed by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, and I was happy as long as they existed, but then they came up with this newfangled stuff called "video", and now my boss wants to look at me when he talks to me.

      No, I have no idea either why he, or anyone, would want to. I'm the happiest clam if I don't have to see someone's mug if I'm already forced to actually talk to him.

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    5. Re:Not impressed by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      If they an teach AI to identify ugly people and blur their faces, we can talk.

      But then we can't see your face.

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    6. Re:Not impressed by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      As stated above, that's the point!

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    7. Re:Not impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're using Windows, after the next update disable the camera driver and tell your boss that the Windows update screwed up the driver. totally believable (has actually happened in the past).

  11. Background blurring? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    So....focus then?

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    1. Re:Background blurring? by zlives · · Score: 1

      thats auto focus for you because AI

  12. NSA/CIA and deep fakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Eventually Microsoft will have collected enough image and sound analysis data of you, that their overlords can collect it and literally put your face and voice to any spoken words and claim it's real. It may not sound concerning to you, but there are always people in higher up and more important places that could be targets for these things.

    If you think the whole "deep fake" thing is not of interest to the U.S. government, then you probably think CIA is as harmless as a toy factory.

  13. malware - I can loneger remove skype from WIn10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I posted to reddit about it- its been removed from control panel - taskman under startups and even app store. (The skype setting to take Skype off start up has been removed as well.)

    The only options I have found is some shell code I haven't had time to look at....

    Not sure if I am part of a limited "Test" or a larger action.

    1. Re:malware - I can loneger remove skype from WIn10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is in preparation of next step, when the Skype (with web camera on) is always on. After all, people should not have anything to hide.

  14. Actual use - coherent intent identitfication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    - Give MS millions of hours of video + audio + chat transcripts
    - Apply ML / AI
    - MS can now correlate facial expressions, voice stress, computer recognized speech with intention
    - MS can now correlate video with attention paid to the screen/job

    Sell to employers to monitor:
        - First round: Airline pilots monitored via camera, facial recognition, etc for sleepyness / slack behavior
        - Second round: Offshore call centers monitoring workers for attention to the job
        - Third round: Everyday office workers monitored for attention to the job
        - Fourth round: Large scale scoring of people based on facial expression recogniton, voice analysis, speech analysis, etc.

    Think the old number of keystrokes monitoring done for 1980s data entry workers and then apply that same coarse measurement to just about every office worker.

    Large banks do extensive monitoring and correlation of tellers from job application tests to how they perform in the job and by tens of thousands of trials, now have geared employment screening tests to weed out what the bank calls less productive workers.

    Sounds odd but you will see a job interview process as being a psychological test done via video first, then successive rounds of more tests, followed by three or four layers of screening by computer algorithms and long later an interview with a human.

  15. Hey Bob, I noticed you have the blur enabled... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. Is that a bong behind you, I can just barely make it out.

  16. Killer App - Deepfakes by ghoul · · Score: 1

    Lots of companies try and do interviews on Skype to make sure the person they talk to remotely is the person who turns up. Especially in the contract workforce there is not always a in person interview. And there are many unscrupulous contracting bodyshoppers who have someone else take the interview. If Microsoft can provide a Skype Professional version which can do real time deepfakes on Skype than they can sell many licenses.

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  17. invisabity to cameras anyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you wondered where the future tech for invisibility to cameras comes from. Adversarial markings for AI image compression or blurring.

    Quick patent it.

    1. Re:invisabity to cameras anyone by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Think of the bandwidth saved if every complex background is never sent and the AI just has to send the face down a network?
      Everyone gets the same MS created background depending on detected light conditions.

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  18. I just clean my whiteboard before the call. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But thanks Google Chrome team for giving an insight into your roadmap ;)

    1. Re:I just clean my whiteboard before the call. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > But thanks Google Chrome team for giving an insight into your roadmap ;)

      (Erases "5,000 troops to Colombia" from board before dialing...)

  19. LOOK, MORE A.I.!!!!!!11 by nwaack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pretty soon anything that runs on a computer or smartphone is going to be called artificial intelligence.

    1. Re:LOOK, MORE A.I.!!!!!!11 by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      People have been saying for years that I have artificial intelligence!

    2. Re:LOOK, MORE A.I.!!!!!!11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, they've been saying you're "robotic." The word intelligence is never used.

  20. LOL ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Background blurring makes use of artificial intelligence to pick out the subject of a video, having been trained to detect hair, hands and arms.

    Oh, please please please give us a button we can click so that hair, hands, and arms is all that you see ... that would be awesome.

    Just this floating mullet and arms.

    kthanksbye

  21. Bandwidth/video quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gradients are hardwork for video codecs, and look shit unless the bitrate of the stream is high enough. Thanks Microsoft.

  22. But nobody uses Skype by Jamori · · Score: 1

    That's great and all... but in my experience, effectively nobody uses Skype.

    I have a Skype contact list of ~250 people, and in most weeks the number of other people I see signed in and actually active is zero.

    My belief is that this started when Microsoft made the decision at some point to obscure the 'online' status, such that even people who haven't signed in to their account in months or years appear "online but away". If everyone consistently thinks their friends are online but have just stepped away -- when in fact the messages are never going to reach them -- the service becomes devalued. This self-perpetuates for a while, until you get where we are today -- nobody uses it.

  23. People are still using Skype? by labnet · · Score: 1

    Everyone I know has dropped using skype and gone to whats app or zoom.
    Microsoft may be great at locking people stockholm style into legacy products like office but they are making very little headway into mobile, web, and social media. Karma!

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  24. This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone rely on an algorithm to hide their secrets?

  25. skype by ennis99 · · Score: 1

    it's been a long time since I stopped using skype, I always found that the quality of the calls was mediocre ____________________________________________________ https://www.icloudcentral.com/ https://tweakbox.mobi/ https://getappvalley.com/