Facing Opposition, Amazon Reconsiders NY Headquarters Site: Report (washingtonpost.com)

Amazon.com is reconsidering its plan to bring 25,000 jobs to a new campus in New York City following a wave of opposition from local politicians, The Washington Post reported Friday [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; alternative source], citing two people familiar with the company's thinking. From the report: The company has not leased or purchased office space for the project, making it easy to withdraw its commitment. Unlike in Virginia -- where elected leaders quickly passed an incentive package for a separate headquarters facility -- final approval from New York state is not expected until 2020. Tennessee officials have also embraced Amazon's plans to bring 5,000 jobs to Nashville, which this week approved $15.2 million in road, sewer and other improvements related to that project. Amazon executives have had internal discussions recently to reassess the situation in New York and explore alternatives, said the two people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly about the company's perspective.

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Objecting to the give-away

[XXongo]

What they're objecting to, of course, is not the jobs being brought in, but the massive taxpayer funded give-away that New York politicians promised (without any oversight) to give Amazon to tempt them to come, along with the tax breaks they promised as well, to make sure that they don't pay for it.

A billion here, a billion there-- it adds up

Re:Objecting to the give-away

[Anonymous Coward]

A tax break is not giving them money.
It's simply refraining from taking it from them.

High taxes == companies, jobs, and people leave your state.
On the one hand they want to tax the living daylights out of everyone and everything and use that money to buy votes. Yes, that's what food stamps and other forms of welfare are: nothing more than corruption.

Well, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Sooner or later you'll discover that there's nobody left to pay the taxes and then things will be hard for the freeloaders.
NY is a beggar. They and their politicians need someone like Amazon to come pay taxes in their state. Amazon is a chooser. They get to decide what is best for their company and their employees-- are high taxes good for them?

No, high taxes aren't good. It's so obvious that even the NY politicians know it as evidenced by the fact they tried to give Amazon a deal where they wouldn't tax them so much if only Amazon would please please please bring jobs and tax money to their state. So now that the New Yorkers are getting all self righteously greedy about how much tax money they thought they were going to get from Amazon they've reneged on the deal and surprise surprise, Amazon is thinking they don't really want to get shafted. Well gee whiz! Who'd'a thunk it?

But I have a question for the New Yorkers: what's better? A little extra tax income and a bunch of jobs or no extra tax income and no extra jobs?
Fools.

Oh, no wait, I should laugh! I'm not a New Yorker so it's no skin off my back if those imbeciles shoot themselves in their greedy self-righteous foot.
Hey, Amazon, come to my state instead! I'd love a little extra demand for my labor and I know my fellow citizens would too.

Re: Objecting to the give-away

[nomadic]

Amazon needs a large, highly-educated workforce, and I'm not sure the people they need would be willing to move en masse to Amarillo, Texas.

Re:Objecting to the give-away

[b0s0z0ku]

Yadda yadda yadda, taxes bad. Taxes pay for things like education (NY state has some great schools and colleges), public transportation (I love trains!), and a social safety net. Those things actually make places livable. You know what's bad? Squandering $6 trillion on the Federal level on military homicide sprees and security theater. Wars and nudie scanners don't actually make places more livable.

Re:Objecting to the give-away

[alvinrod]

A tax break is not giving them money.
It's simply refraining from taking it from them.

Be that as it may, it's still asking other businesses which are being taxed so subsidize Amazon who is getting preferential treatment. I think that high taxes are idiotic and usually counter-productive, but if some city or state wants to enact them, then they should be applied fairly and evenly to all who live and do business there. If those cities or states find that it drives out businesses, then they can vote to reduce the tax rates.

Re:Objecting to the give-away

[Anonymous Coward]

A tax break *to a specific company* is picking a winner, which the government shouldn't be doing. If they cut taxes for *all companies*, that's one thing... that's not what was happening here.

Re:Objecting to the give-away

[b0s0z0ku]

Taxes are great when they're used to pay for useful services like education, public transit, infrastructure, and public health care. Taxes suck when they're squandered on security theater, wars on moral panics like drugs, or wars abroad. Yeah, yeah, the latter is Federal, but NY sends much more money to DC than it gets back, so it adds up. Time to REALLY put America first and stop squandering tax money on nonsense.

Re: Objecting to the give-away

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually the statistics demonstrate that people with higher educations tend to favor Democratic policies and ideals. That's not "the left" that's a fact. People in Amarillo are less educated per capita than in some other places.

As far as "what 1/2 of the country" thinks about that, you really don't decide nor does it realistically follow that they'd all feel exactly the same about it. I have several sub-higher-education friends in red states, all reasonably nice folks.

You, on the other hand, are an example of an uneducated prick railing against reality and crying about the FACT that people in Red States are generally a lesser-educated workforce in general. Coal mines, oil extraction, manufacturing.

That's not to say those things have no value, but to think they have a value as great as or greater than higher-educated professionals is just to hold your breath and shove your head up your red state blathering asshole.

Re: Objecting to the give-away

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually the statistics demonstrate that people with higher educations tend to favor Democratic policies and ideals. ....

In other words, people who grew up sheltered, never had to work for a living, and had mommy and daddy around to pay for college?

Education != intelligence

Just look and the current Marxist bae of the left - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She's so "educated" that she had to 404 her "New Green Deal" off her web site in less than 24 hours, because it was bog-standard election-losing leftist STUPID drivel like "everyone is entitled to economic security whether they want to work or not."

AOC is so fucking "educated" with her economics degree paid for by her parents from Boston University that she's TOO FUCKING STUPID to know how unemployment works:

Ocasio-Cortez said, "Unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs. Unemployment is low because people are working 60, 70, 80 hours a week and can barely feed their family."

So you wanna spout crap about "education"? That STUPID shit is from someone who graduated summa cum laude with a degree in economics.

In other words, "education" today is fucking worthless.

You watch - after dragging Democrats down with her Marxist/Communist/Socialist FWEEEE STUFFFZZ!!!, AOC is gonna get primaried and shitcanned in 2020.

Re: Objecting to the give-away

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually the statistics demonstrate that people with higher educations tend to favor Democratic policies and ideals. That's not "the left" that's a fact.

Democratic results by a democratic survey by a democrat college? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that they came away with the result they wanted. Search youtube or the internet and you'll find it has been debunked but you wouldn't know that by listening only to foul mouthed democrats.

Re:Objecting to the give-away

[alvinrod]

I think this just shows the real problem with taxes. Half of the things you think are great, are not good use of tax dollars according to another group of people. Some of what you want to spend more taxes on is going to be considered squandering tax money on nonsense by others. No one has a problem identifying the wastefulness of government spending in the things the consider to be bad, yet seem to believe that such could not happen with those things that they want tax dollars to fun. Once you legitimize government largess, it's no wonder that people will crawl out of the woodwork to direct some of it towards themselves.

And New York seems to consider it a fine idea to take from those who have most and redistribute to those who have less. They are one of the richer states, so shouldn't they be happy that more federal money is being spent on the states that contribute less? Everyone loves the notion of taking from those who have more, but most don't realize that they're quite far up the ladder themselves and there's a whole wider world that has much, much less.

Re:Objecting to the give-away

[ShanghaiBill]

Gamergate.

So Amazon engineers are misogynist because some gamers once were?

Since when does playing games make you "tech"?