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After Wells Fargo Outage, Customers Say Direct Deposits Aren't Showing Up (cbsnews.com)

Long-time Slashdot reader TheHawke writes that smoke at a data center triggered embarrassing an outage at America's third-largest bank. CBS News reports: Wells Fargo said that a systems outage prevented some customers from using its ATMs and mobile and online banking services, promising to reverse any fees people incurred because of the disruption. Although the bank said the issue was largely resolved on Thursday, customers said they were still having problems accessing their accounts on Friday, including their direct deposits.... The company blamed a "contained issue" at one data center, and said it wasn't a cybersecurity issue.

Wells Fargo said in a statement on Friday that "some transactions and balances were not visible in online banking or ATMs earlier today," but added that "the transactions were processed normally. This issue has now been corrected, and all transactions are now visible," it said. "We are experiencing higher than normal volumes so there still may be delays in online banking and contact center response times...." CEO Tim Sloan apologized for the outage, saying the recovery "was not as rapid as we or our customers would have expected."

66 comments

  1. how is creimette supposed to buy his cup-a-noodle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tonight if his thirty-three longtail revenue streams from his side business authoring DMCA takedowns can't direct deposit

  2. This level of incompetence should be criminal by damicatz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How the hell does a multi-billion dollar company not have geographically redundant data centers?

    1. Re:This level of incompetence should be criminal by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 4, Funny

      redundant data centers where cut to cover the fake accounts fines

    2. Re:This level of incompetence should be criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      cuts to increase revenue... That's high management.

    3. Re:This level of incompetence should be criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When is creimette going to get fines for his fake accounts? You tell me please mr. Joe Dragon.

    4. Re:This level of incompetence should be criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Insightful!

      Creimette World Corp Inc. is a multi-penny company and it possess many redundant long tail revenue streams to protect its current and future assets.

    5. Re: This level of incompetence should be criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they reserve the financial death penalty for such obscene levels of abuse

    6. Re:This level of incompetence should be criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a life retard! Cdreimer is gone!

      Cdreimer left /. after 20+ years and posted 100+ videos in 2018. His trolls are still butthurt about this.

      The thing to do for him: post more videos :)

    7. Re:This level of incompetence should be criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CROFLOL!

      So, you are the guy working in a Palo Alto Windows shop who thinks that he is going to make more money making stupid Microsoft certification videos that nobody watches instead of passing said certifications himself?

    8. Re: This level of incompetence should be criminal by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Better question is why does a [insert derogagory adjective here] company like this still have any customers?

    9. Re:This level of incompetence should be criminal by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      not have geographically redundant data centers?

      We've already got one, with backups even -- let's go buy something new.

      --
      If the universe is someone's simulation -- does that mean the stars are just stuck pixels?
    10. Re:This level of incompetence should be criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compliance!
      Best Practices!!
      Agile Processes!!!

    11. Re:This level of incompetence should be criminal by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the wonderful world of a corporate cashless society, where your fiscal security is driven by the cheapest most profitable solutions and you will pay compulsory corporate taxes on all your transactions.

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    12. Re:This level of incompetence should be criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They did have a failover, but for some reason they didn't kick in. And the single point of failure in this case was their DNS pointers. They failed to update DNS to redirect to their backups.

    13. Re:This level of incompetence should be criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A quick Google search shows that they have one in Alabama and another in Arizona. Also, if you do a job search for data center positions at WF, results for those cities and more turn up.

      Furthermore. according to this story, their entire Minnesota data center shut down after the Halon deployed, yet according to this story, the outages were intermittent. Maybe their DR switchover broke?

    14. Re: This level of incompetence should be criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a bank, not a tech company. They look at IT with disdain, as a necessary evil, offering some fancy items to appease their shareholders.

      In the back rooms, in internal meetings, IT budgets are tightly controlled, every cent is validated by the all powerful finance team, and everything that cannot survive the approval chain of many links, going up to the senior executives is delayed or canned.

    15. Re: This level of incompetence should be criminal by enriquevagu · · Score: 1

      Stretched VLANs are one example of a hot buzzword that can make your geographically distributed infrastructure become a single failure domain.

    16. Re: This level of incompetence should be criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, unless I pay off my home loan 20 years early I'm stuck with the fuckers. I didn't even pick them, my loan was sold to these criminals. They have double withdrawn, screwed up the escrow, told me different things each time I call, and to try and fix any issue can easily take 6 -15 hours on the phone. I never got back the overdraft fees for the bogus withdrawals, I had to pay the taxes escrowed twice in person and it still dosent add up but fighting for $40 is pointless, and I have no recourse even though Wells Fargo keeps screwing up thier end of the contract.

    17. Re: This level of incompetence should be criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I have no recourse". Remove this from your lexicon. Never say this to yourself. Replace this maxim with "I need someone to help me" and start your search for help - financial, civil, criminal, whatever. You have options, and there are always possibilities that you can't account for yourself. Find the others, get the help that you need to fight these bastards and conquer evil.

      Perhaps -- I'm just spitballing here -- find another lender and explain the situation. Ask them how it would be possible to transfer the debt from Wells Fargo to them, because you have had multiple problems with Wells Fargo, you can no longer trust them, and you would like a different lender. This might not help immediately, but maybe it can generate some other creative ideas.

  3. ANYONE still using Wells Fargo DESERVES WORSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You are supporting a criminal cabal masquerading as a bank! YOU DESERVE THIS.

    1. Re: ANYONE still using Wells Fargo DESERVES WORSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean, most banks are basically criminal canals so there's little masquerading to be had.

    2. Re:ANYONE still using Wells Fargo DESERVES WORSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off faggot. You deserve to be ass fucked in prison.

    3. Re: ANYONE still using Wells Fargo DESERVES WORSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds fun!

    4. Re: ANYONE still using Wells Fargo DESERVES WORSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell Trump how much fun he's going to have it, for LIFE.

  4. Third largest bank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They dont even have branches/atms in all the contiguous states. You'd think the third largest bank in America would have a larger presence.

    Sad they used to be good 25 years ago.

    1. Re: Third largest bank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sore about the other states, but last year they sold all of their Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio branches (and a few Wisconsin branches) to Flagstar.

  5. History Redux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If there's any way Wells Fargo can "cut corners," they will, to reward their loser executives with bigger bonuses. Customers are just an inconvenience that must be borne by Wells' customers.

    Some months ago, I suggested to my spouse it was time to abandon Wells. But, she declined...but, then, she hasn't had to deal with the arcane, fragile technology (and the double login every time you want on, and the Captcha AFTER You've Logged In TWICE; the Captcha is not yet back up at this writing). They also don't like having to deal with Customers' Quicken, so they summarily switched how you can download their transactions a couple of months ago to a clumsier technology (that saves them more money, no doubt, at customer satisfaction expense).

    Wells wants to avoid any COST for imposing these problems on customers...largely created by their subpar technology staff, and greed of executives for ever higher salaries, in lieu of paying for qualified technology staff who would insist on a lot more redundancy than they apparently have...or even listen to their customers when we can see how their disregard of customer satisfaction causes US problems, which they don't want to hear about! (Actually: A few months ago, they shut down a customer feedback bulletin board, because too many customers were being "rude" (a code word for making them own up to their own errors!).

    Buh-bye, Wells. You won't have this about-to-be-GONE customer to abuse anymore!

    1. Re: History Redux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. You must be completely out of breath after that. So sorry!

    2. Re:History Redux by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      Wow you are so spot on. But not customer, shareowners. and thanks btw

  6. What a shitshow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Henry Wells and Bill Fargo are rolling over in their graves. Have these guys ever heard of DR or a BC plan?

    1. Re:What a shitshow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Henry Wells and Bill Fargo are rolling over in their graves. Have these guys ever heard of DR or a BC plan?

      Short the stock and move over to Chase/Goldman/Citi/etc.

  7. Re: how is creimette supposed to buy his cup-a-noo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Creimette is going to read a book that reminds her of creimer

  8. Re:how is creimette supposed to buy his cup-a-nood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cdreimer told me he is having a Shake Shack cheese-burger tonight, asshole! Sure you can't afford it and be the one eating cup-a-noodle.

    Cdreimer left /. after 20+ years and posted 100+ videos in 2018. His trolls are still butthurt about this.

    The thing to do for him: post more videos :)

  9. Re: how is creimette supposed to buy his cup-a-noo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pounded in the butt by butthurt gay brontosaurus fitness experts

  10. Re:how is creimette supposed to buy his cup-a-nood by olsmeister · · Score: 1

    oh fuck shake shack. sign me up. immediately and add an extra hundo

  11. Still using a bank? by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who still uses banks? There's no reason for any regular person to use a bank, when there are plenty of great credit unions. None.

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    I don't respond to AC's.
    1. Re:Still using a bank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Want to know a secret? They all work together. They all use the same 3rd party software. Some write their own and glue it all together. But not much.

      The biggest 3rd party software? Excel.

    2. Re:Still using a bank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Credit unions are also banks. There is no difference in practice except for marketing purposes.

    3. Re:Still using a bank? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Who still uses banks? There's no reason for any regular person to use a bank, when there are plenty of great credit unions. None.

      I agree, but beyond that, who still uses Wells Fargo? It's a criminal conspiracy.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:Still using a bank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Who still uses credit unions? I convert all my money in to water and store it in my sink!

    5. Re:Still using a bank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me> Hi, I want to get a mortgage
      Credit Union> Sure, we only have 30 or 15 year fixed with 20% down.
      Me> I don't have 20% down
      Credit Union> Wells Fargo is down the street

      Me> Hi, I need to open an account to hold a security deposit for my tenant
      Credit Union> Huh?

      Me> Hi, I want to pay another person from my account. Do you support Person to Person transfers like Zelle?
      Credit Union> Should I print you a check?

      When credit unions can actually do what I need from major banks then sure. Otherwise, they're kinda useless.

    6. Re:Still using a bank? by Isaac-Lew · · Score: 2
      You do realize that credit unions can have outages too, right?

      https://wtop.com/local/2018/12...

      I split my direct deposit up - some goes to a bank, the rest to a credit union. That way, if one goes down I still have access to funds in the other.

    7. Re:Still using a bank? by DogDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In my experience, when credit unions make a mistake, they fix it. The depositors are the owners of credit unions.

      In my experience, when banks make a mistake, the depositors pay for the mistake. They don't care about the smaller depositors.

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      I don't respond to AC's.
    8. Re:Still using a bank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you honestly believe there's a difference, down at the your-money-is-in-a-datacenter level?

    9. Re:Still using a bank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. Credit unions are non-profit corporations owned by its members who vote for its executive board. The CU can only offer services to its members. If federally insured, bank deposits are insured by the FDIC while CU deposits are insured by the NCUSIF.

    10. Re:Still using a bank? by geek · · Score: 1

      Every one of those credit unions deposits your money into one of those banks you loathe so much. In the end, the banks get the money no matter where you put it.

      As for your customer service complaints, I know plenty of shit credit unions too.

    11. Re:Still using a bank? by DogDude · · Score: 2

      The difference is that the credit unions are answerable to ME. I'm an owner. Credit unions are member-owned non-profits. The banks are answerable to the shareholders. They don't care about me. It's a tremendous difference. My credit unions don't charge me fees, pay me great interest, and I can get them on the phone 24/7. I have yet to see a bank that comes anywhere close to that.

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      I don't respond to AC's.
    12. Re: Still using a bank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Credit unions are fine. But your local community bank should be where you go. That is, if the FDIC didnâ(TM)t close them all 11 years ago. Community banks make loans in your local community. When you use a big bank, chances are your deposits are being used to fund a loan on the opposite side of the country from you.

    13. Re:Still using a bank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong.

      I am not sure why this myth keeps getting repeated. I think you are confusing the Federal Reserve with banks and thrifts. The vast majority of CU deposits are insured by the National Credit Union Insurance Fund (NCUIF) which is managed by the Nation Credit Union Administration (NCUA). The NCUIF is a counterpart to the FDIC specifically for CUs and insures the same $250K of deposits per person, per institution for each account category. Besides managing the insurance fund, the NCUA supervises federally chartered CUs while state charted are supervised by individual states. A state credit union can choose to insure its deposits with a private insurer instead of the NCUIF. All federal CUs are members of the Federal Reserve and state CUs have the options of joining the Reserve.

  12. Not the First Time by jmcharry · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the 1980s I worked for a company that ran its payroll through Wells Fargo almost entirely through direct deposit since we were a branch on the east coast. One time they botched the ACH transfers so that money showed up in employees' accounts as expected then disappeared, resulting in bounced checks and ATM withdrawals. Without notifying anyone they printed paper checks and sent them to the companies involved (supposedly all with paydays that day). This resulted in numerous employees being hit with overdraft and bounced check charges, which we covered, but it probably tarnished their credit scores. I don't know if Wells Fargo ever reimbursed us, but I know we fired them.

    1. Re:Not the First Time by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      This resulted in numerous employees being hit with overdraft and bounced check charges, which we covered, but it probably tarnished their credit scores.

      It shouldn't tarnish their credit scores until they're reported to chex systems, which doesn't happen until they freeze your account for nonpayment. BofA pulled that trick where they don't process deposits but they do process withdrawals, which resulting in them reporting me... cocks.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    2. Re:Not the First Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not about "credit scores." If you bounce a rent check once or are a single day late on rent a lot of landlords will demand your rent in cashier's checks only in perpetuity both to cover their ass and to encourage you to get the fuck out.

      Your credit score actually matters about twice in your life, when you are getting a mortgage on a house.

    3. Re:Not the First Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your credit score actually matters about twice in your life, when you are getting a mortgage on a house.

      Renting, credit score. New utility account, credit score. New credit card, credit score. Increase limit on credit card, credit score. New job, credit score. Security clearance, credit score. Car loan, credit score. Refinance any debt, credit score.

    4. Re:Not the First Time by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      You forgot car insurance and homeowners insurance, both adjusted by your "insurance score" which is essentially your credit score weighted differently.

  13. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone actually believe anything Wells Fargo says anymore?

  14. I still get paper checks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Itâ(TM)s nice to have that flexibility. When the bank fucks me over I can take my next live check to a new bank.

  15. Has there been a run on the bank? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

    This is the sort of thing that tends to cause bank runs. I know if I had been a WF customer I'd be transferring every penny to a different bank and moving my direct deposit.

    Banks are something we need to have 100% trust in.

    1. Re:Has there been a run on the bank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have any trust in WF after all the fake account issues, then you're in denial about reality and you'll view this issue as WF doing a good job preventing a minor issue from spreading into impacting all accounts. The fake accounts were due to corporate culture, not from a rouge employee. Cultures like that don't chance until you cut off their heads and let them bleed out. When you refill it with new blood, then you can watch them for awhile to see if all the bad blood has gone. Until then, they aren't trust worthy. Since that never happened, you can be assured there's still lots of corruption going on in WF.

      The annoying thing is you can't prevent a bank from selling your mortgage to WF nor are there many banks where you can have multi-million, non-secured credit lines. When dealing whose those sums of money, these issues are simply tiny hurdles that you have to put up with.

  16. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... are people still banking with this sleazy company? After all the BS they pulled on customers I would think this is the last bank anyone would want to deal with.

  17. Phone system had correct balance / deposit info. by TigerPlish · · Score: 2

    Yesterday I didn't get my usual email at 3 am saying my DD was in. The app (when it worked, which was rare) was missing things like DDs and transactions from the day prior.

    A phone call to the system showed all was OK. Balance was as expected, deposit went in for the correct amount.

    But here's something to consider: Before you pick a new bank -- and I'm sure more than a few will because it's bloody obvious WF has no working BCP or DR strategy and inside info indicates the company is so fragmented there are several different rogue IT factions going on -- before you pick a new bank, FOLLOW THE FUCKING MONEY.

    For example: Barclay's and a few other Brit / Scots banks are owned by Saudis or other Arabs. Immidate disqualification.

    Chase is just as crooked as WF. So's Citi. Chase and Citi are so old and corrupt they date back all the way to JP Morgan and others of his little circle of friends.

    I'm either going to go credit union (I wish I could do Magnolia Federal again in Biloxi, I had them for a while when I lived there and they were 100% sweetness, never a mis-step, never a frown, never any shenanigans)

    I think my next bank will be Banco Popular de Puerto RIco - BPPR - they still have the old BPPR-in-a-circle logo, they still have their old Brutalist HQ building in Hato Ray, PR.. as far as I know, ownership is 100% Borinqeño, and they have enough ATMs and branches in SoFla to suit my needs.

    I'm done with the Big Boys. They're all fuckign crooks.

    --
    The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
  18. Kubernetes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kubernetes?

  19. PSA to always have cash on you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This seems like as good a time as any to remind folks to always carry a nominal amount of cash on their person. No transactions for Wells Fargo were taking place as a result of this and it made it difficult for bank customers to access their money.

  20. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet the money IS going into someone's account.....

  21. Wells (The) Fargo -- WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The direct deposits were there all along. It's just that they were deposited into the fake accounts Wells Fargo created in customer names without their permission so that bank employees could make their insane quotas.

  22. Leopards eating my face? by theurge14 · · Score: 1

    Why are people still using Wells Fargo? Seriously?

    Is this not the same Wells Fargo that just had that huge class action lawsuit for all those sham accounts their employees were opening on customer's accounts without their knowledge all to satisfy a bunch of sales goals within the company?

    And you can't be bothered to close your account and find another banking method?

    Stop enabling this behavior and then acting shocked when it happens.