Tobacco Use is Soaring Among US Kids, Driven By E-cigarettes (axios.com)

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Tobacco Use is Soaring Among US Kids, Driven By E-cigarettes (axios.com)

Posted by msmash on Monday February 11, 2019 @07:40AM from the growing-concerns dept.

Public health officials Monday said there's a growing epidemic of tobacco products currently used by children -- 4.9 million high school and middle school kids used tobacco products in 2018 up from 3.6 million in 2017 -- mainly due to a growth in e-cigarette usage. From a report: For the fifth year in a row, e-cigs were the most popular product amongst high school students, but in 2018 it reached unprecedented epidemic levels, with the addition of another 1.5 million kids, said Anne Schuchat, principal deputy director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "Current users" are defined as people who've used a tobacco product in past 30 days. "Frequent users" are defined as people who've used the product for more than 20 out of the past 30 days.

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e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by Anonymous Coward · 2019-02-11 07:52 · Score: 5, Informative

I personally doubt they are any better for you, but vape juice is definately not tobacco.
1. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by pegr · 2019-02-11 07:57 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Absolutely better for you. Nicotine is no worse for you than caffeine. It's the other nasties in tobacco that are bad for you.
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/s...
2. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by ShanghaiBill · 2019-02-11 07:59 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  I personally doubt they are any better for you
  They are certainly better that tobacco. Nicotine is bad, but the other stuff in tobacco smoke is worse, and you avoid that with vaping.
  The problem is that kids are stupid and naive, and they don't realize that vaping is just as addictive as tobacco. By the time they realize how stupid it is, they are hooked.
  We need to find a way to keep vaping devices away from pre-18ers. Maybe move to a prescription model. But that might mean less harm reduction for smokers. It is a difficult issue.
3. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by wiggles · 2019-02-11 08:09 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  That's not true. Nicotine is directly associated with increased stroke and heart attacks. It attacks the venous system.
  https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com...
4. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by slashkitty · 2019-02-11 08:15 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  As does caffeine!
  
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5. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by danlip · 2019-02-11 08:18 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  However, nicotine is much more addictive than caffeine. It would be a mistake to equate them. And there are a variety of other chemicals in the vapes, which may or may not be harmful. And nicotine itself may contribute to cancer too.
6. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by wiggles · 2019-02-11 08:19 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  No. Caffeine in the form of 4 cups or more of coffee per day actually has a preventative effect according to this meta-analysis:
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...
7. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by Oswald+McWeany · 2019-02-11 08:27 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  As does caffeine!
  Quite the opposite. Caffeine (and more broadly, the coffee that many people consume it in), has all sorts of wide ranging health benefits. There have been hundreds of studies by people trying to prove how unhealthy coffee (and caffeine) is, and all the studies ending up proving the exact opposite; that it actually reduces all sorts of illnesses.
  
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8. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by sjames · 2019-02-11 08:33 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  From your link:
  
  Conclusions: The use of NRT is not associated with any increase in the risk of myocardial infarction, stroke, or death.
  So no, nicotine minus the tar, particulates, and carbon monoxide is NOT associated with an increased of cardiovascular risk.
  Looks like you read what you (for some reason) wanted to read rather than what was written.
9. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by sjames · 2019-02-11 08:42 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  It actually isn't as addictive as tobacco. Cigarette smoke contains MAO inhibitors that potentiate the addictive properties of nicotine. Vape juice doesn't have those.
  Some vape juice doesn't even have nicotine.
10. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by cayenne8 · 2019-02-11 08:45 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  So no, nicotine minus the tar, particulates, and carbon monoxide is NOT associated with an increased of cardiovascular risk.
  BUT...you don't get the enjoyment of lighting one up on the vape thing.
  What was half the fun of smoking real cigarettes....carrying lighters, firing it up, etc....
  I guess the vape things are ok for quitting smoking....but really, once you get off the nicotine, they aren't nearly so much fun as real smoking that uses real fire, and other things like flicking ashes, etc...it kept your non-drinking hand busy.
  
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11. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by Ol+Olsoc · 2019-02-11 09:01 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  As does caffeine!
  Quite the opposite. Caffeine (and more broadly, the coffee that many people consume it in), has all sorts of wide ranging health benefits. There have been hundreds of studies by people trying to prove how unhealthy coffee (and caffeine) is, and all the studies ending up proving the exact opposite; that it actually reduces all sorts of illnesses.
  In moderation though - I have a friend who damn near died from palpitations brought on by coffee consumption.
  As well, the puritans who are shitting their pants because the tobacco users have found a loophole in vaping need vaping to be made as socially unacceptable as tobacco products.
  As a coffee addict, I can tell you that they are hoping to latch onto it as the next thing to be eradicated.
  
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12. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by Ol+Olsoc · 2019-02-11 09:02 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  From your link:
  
  Conclusions: The use of NRT is not associated with any increase in the risk of myocardial infarction, stroke, or death.
  So no, nicotine minus the tar, particulates, and carbon monoxide is NOT associated with an increased of cardiovascular risk.
  Looks like you read what you (for some reason) wanted to read rather than what was written.
  It is the modern purist's version of reefer madness. The puritans don't need actual facts.
  
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13. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by sjames · 2019-02-11 09:06 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Well, it is believed that the ritual of smoking is a significant contributor to the addiction.
14. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by ShanghaiBill · 2019-02-11 09:19 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  In moderation though
  Nearly all caffeine users have little difficulty keeping their use in the "good" range. But for nicotine, there is no "good" range, and it is far more addictive.
  
  As well, the puritans who are shitting their pants because the tobacco users have found a loophole in vaping
  Nonsense. We are only shitting our pants over kids getting ahold of vaping devices. Adults can do what they want.
  Do you really think that putting a highly addictive and harmful product into the hands of kids is acceptable? They are too stupid and naive to understand the consequences.
15. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by Ol+Olsoc · 2019-02-11 09:21 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  We need to find a way to keep vaping devices away from pre-18ers.
  Unilateral permanent confiscation of the vaping device when they are caught, a criminal record that stays on file for the next 7 years even though they are a minor, and the threat of losing access to public education if they are caught again might do the trick, at the very least, it will put the parent(s) or guardians in the loop who might be better equipped to deal with whatever further disciplinary actions are required.
  Holy fuck, you left out summary and immediate execution.
  I suspect you are Poeing, but if not, I think it was W.F. Buckley, ont of my two favorite conservatives, who suffered fro glaucoma and went offshore to treat it with devil's lettuce that said:
  " Marijuana laws have unquestionably destroyed more lives than marijuana ever did." reminds me of your suggestion.
  
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16. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by Tawnos · 2019-02-11 09:37 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  > for nicotine, there is no "good" range, and it is far more addictive.
  Are you sure about that? From what I've read, there's a potentiating effect of the nicotine caused by MAOIs in tobacco. Further, I have a very hard time finding studies about the health effects of nicotine that isn't from tobacco (smoked, chewed, or otherwise ingested). The health effects of nicotine sans tobacco seem akin to those of caffeine.
17. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by cayenne8 · 2019-02-11 09:55 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Well, it is believed that the ritual of smoking is a significant contributor to the addiction.
  Oh, absolutely the ritual.
  While I'm glad I quit smoking....it really WAS nice to smoke in bars while drinking. You can still in most places down here....and it is tempting.
  There's also the social aspect of it....maybe diminishing,
  BUT...I found at work as they made you smoke outside, I often was talking with co-workers I don't sit near and getting scuttlebutt, I also found myself talking with people MUCH higher up on the totem pole than I, and while I had their ear, I'd give my views on things as well as getting inside info on how things were going. Often I got selected for things due to familiarity driving I believe in part, by them knowing who I was out in the "smoke hole" with them.
  
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18. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by sjames · 2019-02-11 10:10 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  The social aspect at work is very definitely there. Indoors, you couldn't even get 10 seconds with the boss's boss. In the smoking area you could shoot the breeze w/ the CEO.
  When I did system installs, I found that a trip to the designated smoking area was sometimes a great way to break through a management log jam.
19. Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco by hairyfeet · 2019-02-11 12:23 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Considering that thanks to our busted AF border pretty much any kid in the USA can get crack, meth, and heroin less than 20 minutes from their house? Yeah really not so worried about one puffing on an ecig, nope.
  BTW if the local teens are any indication (have a grandson that vapes, call 'em "smoky" as you can find him and his buds by the fog bank) the vast majority of 'em? Yeah using no nic, in fact talking to my local vape shop their #1 sellers by a huge margin is no nic, which I assume is relatives getting it for teens as most of the adults I know are on 3mg or 6mg nic.
  
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Does that really count? by thereddaikon · 2019-02-11 07:52 · Score: 5, Insightful

Yeah kids shouldn't be using vapes but should it be considered a tobacco product when it doesn't have tobacco in it? The biggest issues I see with them are that they often contain nicotine which is addictive, and the Fed's refusal to regulate them properly means they could have god knows what in the vape juice. Instead of having the pearl clutching knee jerk of they are evil maybe the FDA should actually regulate the things properly so we can ensure that they don't have unsafe chemicals in them.
1. Re:Does that really count? by garcia · 2019-02-11 08:00 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  No, it shouldn't count; however, they still lump these products together.
  That said, there is some evidence e-cigs help others to quit actual tobacco use, even though the FDA has not yet .
  Kids are going to experiment with shit, regardless of controls and limits; we should probably be glad they're experimenting with this delivery method as opposed to what every prior generation has for the last 100+ years.
2. Re:Does that really count? by Anonymous Coward · 2019-02-11 08:15 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  So what, adults should only be able to choose from flavors such as Buttered Ass and Steamed Kale? Things that are "appealing to kids" are also appealing to adults. How about we stop trying to ban everything 'for the children', because it's making the world pretty lame for the rest of us.
3. Re:Does that really count? by Hognoxious · 2019-02-11 08:53 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  It also damages their fitness for a long time before it kills them, which reduces output from the mines.
  
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4. Re: Does that really count? by Type44Q · 2019-02-11 10:04 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  Buttered Ass and Steamed Kale
  Together or separate?
Are those numbers really that bad? by cordovaCon83 · 2019-02-11 08:11 · Score: 4, Interesting

If I'm Reading this right, about 15% of American adults smoke these days, compared to about 42% of adults in 1942. Granted, this story is about teenagers that will soon be adults, and a million more than expected is not a number to be scoffed at, but really when we start getting numbers down that low, I don't know how much more outrage is necessary. The number is never going to be zero percent, no matter what the Puritans wish.
Almost as if this is targetted to addiction by WillAffleckUW · 2019-02-11 08:15 · Score: 4, Informative

Almost all nicotine addiction occurs in middle school (not, as many believe incorrectly, in high school and college), and there are people working for the tobacco addiction industry who know this and are doing what they can to addict the next generations of addicts.
And, don't lie to yourselves, you're addicts.
Me, I do socially acceptable addictions that are common in Seattle instead.
Bubble tea ftw!

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1. Re:Almost as if this is targetted to addiction by PolygamousRanchKid+ · 2019-02-11 08:58 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  Me, I do socially acceptable addictions that are common in Seattle instead.
  Bubble tea ftw!
  So that is what hipsters call masturbation these days.
  
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Are they actually bending the truth like this? by LostMyAccount · 2019-02-11 08:42 · Score: 3, Insightful

As far as I can tell, the people with a vested interest in opposing cigarettes are also vehemently opposed to e-cigarettes, despite their much lower risk profile.
Time and again I find myself reading "news" stories where e-cigarettes are lumped with tobacco use, and many anti-tobacco activists swear up and down that if you vape candy-flavored vape juice FOR SURE you will switch to Marlboro Reds at the first opportunity.
I just don't see how this could be the case -- I smoked for a decade and *liked it*. In the years since I quit I have tried a few cigarettes out of nostalgia and been absolutely repulsed by them. When I smoked I rolled my own, and occasionally a "light" cigarette smoker would want to try one out of curiosity or because they were out, and almost universally they hated them. If an actual cigarette smoker is turned off by a slightly harsher actual cigarette, then the idea anyone who has only or mostly vaped switching to tobacco seems absurd.