Slashdot Mirror


Texas Lawmaker Wants To Ban Mobile Throttling In Disaster Areas (arstechnica.com)

Bobby Guerra, a Democratic member of the Republican-controlled Texas House of Representatives, filed a bill last week that would prohibit wireless carriers from throttling mobile internet service in disaster areas. "A mobile Internet service provider may not impair or degrade lawful mobile Internet service access in an area subject to a declared state of disaster," the bill says. If passed, it would take effect on September 1, 2019. Ars Technica reports: The bill, reported by NPR affiliate KUT, appears to be a response to Verizon's throttling of an "unlimited" data plan used by Santa Clara County firefighters during a wildfire response in California last year. But Guerra's bill would prohibit throttling in disaster areas of any customer, not just public safety officials. Wireless carriers often sell plans with a set amount of high-speed data and then throttle speeds after a customer has passed the high-speed data limit. Even with so-called "unlimited" plans, carriers reserve the right to throttle speeds once customers use a certain amount of data each month.

Despite the Verizon/Santa Clara incident, Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai has taken no action to prevent further incidents of throttling during emergencies. Pai's repeal of Obama-era net neutrality rules allows throttling as long as the carrier discloses it, and the commission is trying to prevent states from imposing their own net neutrality rules.

106 comments

  1. Livestream by JBMcB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good idea. Then all the yahoos live-streaming the disaster can flood the towers with nonsense traffic.

    Maybe have government plans that get priority over the general public?

    --
    My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
    1. Re:Livestream by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Insightful, but no mod points, so you get this instead.

      Typical State politician grandstanding on a topic he knows little about, but perceives it to be a hot button topic that might translate to political R & R... recognition and reelection.

      --
      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

      Ernest Hemingway

    2. Re:Livestream by sjames · · Score: 1

      Maybe force the carriers to actually have enough infrastructure to support the services they collect money for. We can call it "truth in advertising".

    3. Re:Livestream by omnichad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The infrastructure is fine. But wireless spectrum is limited and the link can still be saturated. It should have never been advertised as something capable of unlimited.

    4. Re:Livestream by sjames · · Score: 1

      You can improve the bandwidth a lot by deploying more smaller cells.

      But yes, they shouldn't be allowed to offer unlimited unless they are prepared to deliver it.

    5. Re:Livestream by dryeo · · Score: 3, Informative

      They can do like in Canada, rather then throttling, charge 25-50 cents a MB.
      I'd love to get throttled rather then charged an arm and a leg for going over my cell limit.

      --
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
    6. Re: Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the yahoos givingvtheir opinions about the first responders filling up the bandwidth with their yapping

    7. Re:Livestream by omnichad · · Score: 1

      That whole methodology of deploying more smaller cells (along with a few other improvements) is being termed 5G. There are a lot of towers right now as it is, though.

    8. Re:Livestream by PPH · · Score: 2

      I hope those 5G sites are fireproof, hurricane-proof, flood-proof, etc.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
    9. Re:Livestream by WhiplashII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They should pass a law that all bandwidth must double during an emergency!

      --
      while (sig==sig) sig=!sig;
    10. Re:Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Generally speaking government services like Fire have their own private radio network which can carry voice and data.

    11. Re:Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trotsky-slut Demo-prog bitch gonna make da BooBooz better. Pimp his vote-herding that's what.

    12. Re:Livestream by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      How much extra is it going to cause the greedy carriers to remove the caps for a couple of days?

      The monetary cost is not the issue. Congestion is. A disaster area is the place where caps are most justified. When disasters strike, there is often a surge of network traffic, beyond the normal level the infrastructure is designed to handle. The caps are needed to keep bandwidth available for emergency personnel.

    13. Re:Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope those 5G sites are fireproof, hurricane-proof, flood-proof, etc.

      I hope they are also riot-proof in areas where lots of níggers live. You know, the way you bust your ass and make a good living to avoid living in those neighborhoods? Yeah, those.

    14. Re: Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government passed a bill to implement a priority network for first responders and AT&T won the bid. It is called FirstNet

    15. Re: Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the Verizon shill.

      Your check is in the mail, Ivan.

      The infrastructure is not fine. Why do I get "1 bar" most places in the SF Bay area!?! Why does my phone not ring, and hours later there's a voicemail!?

    16. Re:Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good idea. Then all the yahoos live-streaming the disaster can flood the towers with nonsense traffic.

      Maybe have government plans that get priority over the general public?

      I don't think "you are over the hard limit and will go slow now" throttling has anything at all to do with congestion control.

    17. Re:Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Throttling and data caps are good now because politics!

    18. Re: Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BeauHD, as usual, never misses a chance to take a shot at Donald Trump or Ajit Pai for every article posted.

      Trump 2020

    19. Re:Livestream by Szeraax · · Score: 1

      No mod points, but this.

    20. Re:Livestream by Alypius · · Score: 1

      Bah. Then you'd get same idiots, but this time whining about "gouging" and "net neutrality." Their grasp (or lack thereof) of the concepts are irrelevant, because shut up.

    21. Re: Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Who will pay the Bills Bill? Bill?

      ^v^v^v^v^v^\\\|||///_:LeauHD:_\\\|||///^v^v^v^v^v^ /s e n i o r \v/ k i t t e n\

    22. Re:Livestream by Firethorn · · Score: 2

      Infrastructure may NOT be fine, actually, it is a disaster zone, after all. Half the towers might have been knocked out, but you have a massive call increase for people checking out that their relatives and such are okay.

      That's why temporary throttling during a disaster may be necessary to provide minimum service to all.

      --
      I don't read AC A human right
    23. Re:Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Another idiot who thinks everything is a black & white issue. You're a moron. You cannot comprehend the fact that in a disaster area maybe it's a good idea to prioritize emergency or first responder traffic and perhaps demote non-essential traffic during peak loads on the system?

      Normal traffic will still be carried when the system can handle it.

      Sorry. you fucking snowflake, your Instagram photos are not as important as the data/voice traffic generated by someone directing firefighters or rescue personnel or simply trying to arrange for delivery of body bags or medical supplies.

      Chill the fuck out, the world doesn't revolve around your useless, oxygen wasting, ass. NOBODY gives a fuck about what you want.

    24. Re:Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. Everyone should be forced to build networks that will carry hundreds or thousands of times more traffic than would ever be used in a normal situation.

      Sure the community has a population of 200 and is served by a single cell tower, but that tower should have to be able to carry traffic for hundreds or thousands of emergency personnel who may never actually use it. Maybe some day there will be a forest fire and the flood of firefighters may descend on the area.. Or maybe they won't.. Rather than responding to the emergency by simply prioritizing certain traffic/data for some limited amount of time we'll just overbuild everything.. That outta result in super reasonable service costs...

      You're a cunt without two brain cells to rub together.

    25. Re:Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can improve the bandwidth a lot by deploying more smaller cells.

      At significantly increased costs (materials and lease/land costs) for each new tower. (Just as an example) If you had tower spacing of 2 miles and you decreased that to just 1 mile, you'd have to double your tower builds. That's 2x more land to lease/rent, 2x as many towers to put up... twice as much equipment to buy..

      But yes, they shouldn't be allowed to offer unlimited unless they are prepared to deliver it.

      Right. It's totally immoral to advertise your system based on 99.99% of scenarios. It's totally lying to claim unlimited even when the system may be seeing a totally unusual demand load for a, relatively, short period of time.... Like during a fucking disaster..

      You do realize that, during a disaster, authorities can impose curfews right? That doesn't mean you don't live in a free country.. Having a short period of less freedom during extraordinary times/circumstances doesn't define the norm.

      It's like sex during marriage.. Yeah, most of the time (at least early on) you're gonna get a lot of it.. Missing one night because she has a headache doesn't give you the right to bitch about a lack of sex... Having a disaster impede on your "unlimited" bullshit for some short amount of time is the same fucking thing. Grow the fuck up...

    26. Re:Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Excellent point.. It's like the morons who bitch when some shop tries to raise prices on items during a disaster, which has the effect of preventing hoarding.. Then they bitch about the fact that some asshole, who got to the store before them, bought up all the fucking batteries or first-aid kits, or whatever.... Rather than allow the price to be raised to a point where some asshole can't buy ALL of the items, but can only afford one or (insert arbitrary number here), thereby forcing a more even distribution of the items, they'd simply prefer the government to step in and encourage hoarding by artificially keeping prices below market demand.

      Every goddamn time there's a fire out here, the assholes all run to the stores and strip the shelves bare of batteries and bottled water.. Well, some do.. The first few in the door usually wipe out all the stock... Everyone else gets to stand around like an asshole.

      Allow prices to spike during shortages and people will quickly figure out the economic (if nothing else) benefit of stocking up BEFORE the emergency.. Nobody wants to try to start their battery hoard when they're selling for 10x normal price..

    27. Re:Livestream by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      Generally speaking is the exact opposite of extraordinary circumstances.. Maybe their network is down? It's a good thing that the civilian network can function like a backup or alternate system.

    28. Re:Livestream by sjames · · Score: 1

      Yes, big fat surprise, infrastructure costs money. That's why consumers are willing to pay for the service the infrastructure provides.

      The thing with wireless is that they're not ready to provide unlimited 99.99% of the time. They are quite explicit that they will provide you "unlimited" bandwidth, but after the first 2GB or so they'll LIMIT you to dial up modem speeds.

      Of course, before that they just claimed unlimited and silently limited you anyway.

    29. Re:Livestream by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Don't forget UPS's. How long do they work without power?

    30. Re:Livestream by mysidia · · Score: 3

      Congestion is. A disaster area is the place where caps are most justified.

      No.... Nothing in the text of the bill really indicates carriers cannot manage congestion in fact the only restriction it gives is "service provider may not impair or degrade lawful mobile Internet service access in an area subject to a declared state of disaster" ----- So they can still manage their network, in fact they could still throttle to slightly lower top speeds which are not slow enough to constitute impairment. Failing to manage congestion in its own right can be considered impairing access through neglect. The issue is throttling after a certain monthly quota --- they can still utilize means of prioritizing the traffic of emergency services and those with lower total usage.

      The throttling the carriers normally due is based on arbitrary monthly caps in the total amount of data used --- access is greatly impaired (throttled to a ridiculously slow speed) after reaching a monthly quota that has nothing to do with congestion or network management, because nothing stops 10000 people who have not used up their data allowance from coming on simultaneously and maxing out the local tower capacity.

    31. Re: Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could we not just deploy faster internet infrastructure? Remember the point Google made several years back during Google Fiber rollout that if the internet speeds hit a certain point, traditional streaming connections would be unnecessary. 4k video probably pushed that number out a bit, but we are approaching the point where humans can't notice a quality difference above a certain resolution, and what else do normies do on the net other than shit-post propaganda and stream video?

    32. Re:Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats what I was going to say.. I understand not throttling but you MUST put a priority for those who work with emergency servcies... they NEED the service as those livestreaming shit can get the rest of the bandwidth.

    33. Re: Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And idiots like you never miss an opportunity to unconditionally defend everything Trump or his cronies have done. Welcome to the age of TDS; Looking forward to the future - America will get the dictatorship it deserves.

    34. Re:Livestream by omnichad · · Score: 1

      We're talking about how the infrastructure is now, not how it might be.

      It might mean that temporary prioritization is fine during a disaster. But that's far from throttling an emergency service team who's over their data cap and giving priority to ordinary users who are under their monthly cap. And it's not like Verizon advertises anything that's not "unlimited."

    35. Re:Livestream by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Throttling IS degradation of service, BY DEFINITION. This bill can be read as prohibiting throttling to ensure enough bandwidth for emergency workers, though it would not prohibit throttling users who reached their caps. It's poorly written, even if not poorly conceived.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    36. Re:Livestream by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it quadruple? Depends on whether you're talking about square miles or radius. If it's radius, then you have to double across two axes (like doubling horizontal and vertical screen resolution is quadruple the pixels).

    37. Re:Livestream by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Throttling IS degradation of service, BY DEFINITION.

      Negative. Degradation, by definition is to degrade which means to pass from a higher grade or class to a lower, example: causes the meat to degrade in quality

      The service provider has business choices about what levels of service they offer, And if they throttle all users to data-rates which are still within the same grade or class, for example if they throttle every subscriber to a bitrate that subscriber has purchased, then by defintion: their service has not been degraded.
      They can also make minor changes, such as throttling a user who would normally be allowed 10 Megabits to 9 Megabits, And that is not a degradation in service if the base plan rate for their service is "8 megabits" ----- such minor changes or occassional deviation in performance allowed for within the normal variability of subscribers' plans and Actual performance do not rise to a level of `Degrading' or `Upgrading' a customer's service.

    38. Re:Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Horrible and stupid idea
      1) How are 'government' plans identified?
      2) What if a government-plan device is doing non-essential traffic
      3) What about many other groups and private citizens who are doing 'emergency' work, like calling in a heart attack or fire but are not on the government plans?
      4) What is to prevent government from downgrading or blocking all non-government plan devices to quell, interfere, or isolate the public or protesters or anybody the government doesn't like?

    39. Re:Livestream by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      I highly doubt that when there are a lot of people do live stream all at once, the speed you are talking about is actually workable. I would expect that there will be a lot of lagging/buffering when there are thousands of people do the live stream in the same area. Also, remember that it is "mobile Internet" not a wire internet. Thus, it is also involve cell tower network, not only on wire. You are too optimistic in this case.

      Furthermore, the bill is vague. What does it mean by "impair" in the bill? Where is the line? The bill could open up many different lawsuits...

    40. Re:Livestream by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      The idea of "government plans" that get priority is hardly new. It's called "FirstNet" and it exists today. There's also a government "plan" that gives priority over long distance services once a connection to the local network has been made.

      Horrible and stupid idea 1) How are 'government' plans identified?

      Trivially? It's a flag in the database.

      2) What if a government-plan device is doing non-essential traffic

      Impossible to determine; therefore assume it is not.

      3) What about many other groups and private citizens who are doing 'emergency' work, like calling in a heart attack or fire but are not on the government plans?

      What happens to all the people who are trying to deal with known, existing emergency issues when Bob calls Uncle Billy to tell him "he's ok, the disaster hasn't hurt him, and by the way what about those Boston Celtics -- aren't they doing great?" The resource is limited in times of emergency, it is better to allocate known responders the capacity so the known responders can deal with known emergencies. Lots better than winding up with an unusable system for everyone.

      4) What is to prevent government from downgrading or blocking all non-government plan devices to quell, interfere, or isolate the public or protesters or anybody the government doesn't like?

      They can't block all "non-government plan devices", only the ones operating on Band 14.

    41. Re:Livestream by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      You might be, but I was looking at the thread topic and proposed law, which were specifically for disaster areas.

      --
      I don't read AC A human right
    42. Re:Livestream by omnichad · · Score: 1

      A disaster area isn't known in advance would be the point. And the proposed law says nothing of infrastructure.

      https://capitol.texas.gov/tlod...

    43. Re:Livestream by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Worse, it doesn't make a provision for emergency services, so it will actually make their service worse because consumers who have exceeded their cap will be a bigger burden.

    44. Re:Livestream by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Well, they have plenty of time to correct the vagueness -- the bill has only just been filed by author, and still would have to be reviewed by committee.

      Also... there is the matter of what "Internet" is --- Internet is a global thing, and much of the carriers' edge infrastructure actually providing the access is likely located in other states besides Texas.

      The state of Texas has no legal authority to regulate or affect how a carrier manages their infrastructure located in other states:
      the internet peering that occurs in various states between multi-state entities is Interstate Commerce, And as the people in the Texas legislature ought to be well-aware of: regulating Interstate commerce is outside the purview of Texas, since the constitution says that only the US congress may do that, this proposed Texas law can also be read as unconstitutional.

  2. Great plan by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone will use tons of data even though half the towers are offline due to the hurricane (or whatever) and public safety officials will be limited by network congestion.

    Better suggestion: leave the network management to the guys who know how to do it.

    1. Re:Great plan by ilsaloving · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      "Leaving the network operation to the people who know how to do it" is what led to the current situation. Verizon throttled them *because they could*, completely irrespective of the actual situation and putting lives in danger.

      Maybe your libertarian ideals mean it's acceptable to murder people for the sake of a quick buck, but thankfully not everyone thinks like that.

    2. Re: Great plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about you go to lp.org and read about what libertarians really think, and stop projecting your murder fantasies on other people

    3. Re: Great plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about you libertarians stop being apologists for widescale homicide?

    4. Re:Great plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone will use tons of data even though half the towers are offline due to the hurricane (or whatever) and public safety officials will be limited by network congestion.

      Turning half the towers offline to create a false scarcity is what this law addresses. Too bad you only read the inaccurate summary, not the actual text, huh?

      Better suggestion: leave the network management to the guys who know how to do it.

      And who would these people be, and how would they do it?

      Oh wait, they decided to allow live streaming while cutting off public safety!

      Nice plan.

    5. Re:Great plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That isn't what lead to Verizon nor anyone else throttling. Lack of planning and outright GREED did. Public safety communications should NEVER depend on the private sector. If the US Government suddenly gave a dam about this perhaps they should look very carefully into the managers behind such lack of planning. It's not meant as a blank cheque for Motorola or Ericson to provide radios, it's a fucking wake up call. Do SOMETHING more then harshly worded letters, fine the bastards.

    6. Re:Great plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything depends on the private sector. If you don't make it, you can't bake it. What is your contribution Bosco ? Tecknology ... finance ... management ... or pimping the vote-herded nibberz ?

    7. Re:Great plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone will use tons of data even though half the towers are offline due to the hurricane (or whatever) and public safety officials will be limited by network congestion.

      Better suggestion: leave the network management to the guys who know how to do it.

      When you get throttled because you went over your plan data for the month, that is because of network congestion?

    8. Re:Great plan by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      In that case, should there be laws requiring ATMs to not limit withdrawls based on account balances in areas in a disaster zone, or gas stations or supermarkets not allowed to turn away people for lack of payment ability?

      Where should this responsibility end?

    9. Re: Great plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Citation? Oh wait, that never happened. Maybe you're thinking of Nazis and fascists and communists and Klansmen?

      Libertarians just say, if the government needs a service from a company, it needs to pay for it. So if the government paid for priority service during emergencies and at disaster areas and didn't get it, there needs to be an appropriate consequence for that derelict company. But if the government didn't pay for the quality of service they need, the blame is on the government. Learn the lesson and fix the system.

      Either way, this situation has been brought to you by the 2 big parties: Democrats for making net neutrality an executive branch thing instead of a law while they had control, and Republicans for reversing the executive branch action while they had control.

      Maybe before you blame libertarians for everything, you ought to elect some into office first.

    10. Re: Great plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " if the government needs a service from a company, it needs to pay for it" - And realists apply that both ways, because they understand economics and how things get done in the real world, idiot Libertarians lol.

      I mean in PRINCIPLE Libertarianism is a useful thought experiment. In the real world it's simply a layer of abstraction to remove the real-world costs they externalize from their simplistic "I want, therefore take" logic. Everything balances.

      If Libertarians paid their taxes like normal people would they really BE Libertarians really? Ha.

    11. Re:Great plan by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      They should just pass a law that in the event of a disaster, everyone in the disaster area who wants to gets a free instantaneous teleport to anywhere else in the world. Think of all the lives that would save!

      And it makes as much sense as this proposed law....

      --
      The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
    12. Re:Great plan by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      That's a moronic argument and you damn well know it.

      "Lets compare an effectively unlimited resource with extremely limited resources! Yeah, that totally makes sense!"

      It is truly depressing that we're on slashdot, yet apparently not a single person commenting on this story understands that INTERNET IS AN UNLIMITED RESOURCE. The only restriction is the total bandwidth available at a given time, and at no point has Verizon complained that this is an issue.

      So a few people immediately jump on, "What is everyone is watching youtube?" Yeah, because if I'm in the middle of a raging fucking forest fire,my first thought will be "Holy shit! I can burn through my monthly data in 5 minutes! Lets get crazy!"

      Seriously people. What is WRONG with you? The level of conservative idiocy in the comments on this story is beyond the pale. "No! We must protect Verizon! We must support corporate welfare even if it endangers lives!"

      Conservatives are so callous it makes me sick. Did you people have "Ha! Fuck people!" parties each time a pharmacutical raises the price of a drug by 3000% too?

    13. Re: Great plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe before you blame libertarians for everything, you ought to elect some into office first.

      Except you have one little problem: convincing people to vote for you. Being an apologist for mass murder is one severe impediment in most cases. Though admittedly, there are folks who will cheer it on, especially when you target the folks they don't like.

      Which is, of course, the root of the issue, you don't understand how people work.

      Hence the whole problem with your politics, it is too asinine.

    14. Re: Great plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libertarians just say, if the government needs a service from a company, it needs to pay for it. So if the government paid for priority service during emergencies and at disaster areas and didn't get it, there needs to be an appropriate consequence for that derelict company. But if the government didn't pay for the quality of service they need, the blame is on the government. Learn the lesson and fix the system.

      Libertarians actually say a lot more than that, they would actually disapprove of the government requiring a company to offer products under terms inherently acceptable to the consumer, or even making penalties for deliberate and willful exploitation through fraud.

      Remember, you did try to dissolve the FDA. Some of us, however, know what companies will do.

      Unfortunately, the Republicans will dismiss or encourage it. They did defend Enron.

      Either way, this situation has been brought to you by the 2 big parties: Democrats for making net neutrality an executive branch thing instead of a law while they had control, and Republicans for reversing the executive branch action while they had control.

      This is a fallacious understanding of the problem since "laws" are as alterable as any other action of government, and the fact is, Republicans actions are quite demonstrably flawed. Your misapprehension of the subject is why I say you are an apologist for wide-scale homicide.

      You and the rest of your faction are just wild eyed idealists screaming into the wind. At best. At worst? As corrupt as the conservatives.

      Sorry.

    15. Re:Great plan by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      It is truly depressing that we're on slashdot, yet apparently not a single person commenting on this story understands that INTERNET IS AN UNLIMITED RESOURCE.

      That has got to be the absolute stupidest thing I've seen on /. in a long time. The issue is not "INTERNET" (all caps?), it is wireless connectivity, and anyone who has been at a large public event before wireless providers started putting in COWs (cellular on wheels) knows that wireless is NOT an unlimited resource.

      The only restriction is the total bandwidth available at a given time, and at no point has Verizon complained that this is an issue.

      Really? It is so well known a problem that providers do bring in COWs when events are pre-planned, and AT&T (as the provider for FirstNet) has plans in place to drop COWs and even airborne cellular systems into disaster areas to deal with the demands of just the first responders.

      No, I guess Verizon hasn't discussed any of this with YOU, so that means they've never even thought about it.

      The proposed law is the second stupidest thing I've seen in a long time, because it would prohibit FirstNet. The argument that it would not be degrading anyone's service is the third stupidest thing, since preventing someone from accessing the wireless network altogether is pretty much "degrading service" at 100%.

    16. Re:Great plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's bitztream the autism-hating, custom EpiPen-hating, Musk-hating, Qualcomm-hating, Firefox tabs-hating, Slashdot editors-hating Slashdot troll!

    17. Re:Great plan by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      It's only stupid if you ignore inconvenient things like 'reality'.

      We arn't talking about public events where there is a ridiculous number of people concentrated in a tiny area that would completely overload a tower. We're talking about wide-scale disasters like forest fires where the current population is running for their lives.

      Why would Verizon need to talk to me directly? If they were actually having bandwidth issues, don't you think they would have gone to the news with that for their defense? I haven't seen one single article where Verizon said, "Yeah, unfortunately we had to limit bandwidth because we lost our towers and the remaining ones became saturated." But this isn't even relevant, as is your "point".

      Finally, and this is the single most important point that you seem to be going out of your way to ignore, is that Verizon tried to charge them more money for the privilege of not getting throttled. So the issue was *never* a technical one, and *everything* about Verizon trying to gouge a public service organization during a time of crisis.

      Here's even a link for you if you can't be bothered to look yourself: https://arstechnica.com/tech-p...

      So maybe you should spend less time accusing other people of being stupid and a little more time actually trying to understand the actual situation, hmm?

    18. Re:Great plan by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      We're talking about wide-scale disasters like forest fires where the current population is running for their lives.

      And trying to call other people using fewer towers while doing this "running". You don't think it is reality that there will be damage to towers and less service? You don't think it is reality that people who are trying to evacuate are also trying to call other people to arrange transport, find them so they can make sure they get out too, and calling people outside the area to let them know what is going on?

      Don't know about your planet, but humans on Earth do that kind of stuff, even during a disaster. Especially during a disaster.

      Why would Verizon need to talk to me directly?

      Who said they did?

      If they were actually having bandwidth issues, don't you think they would have gone to the news with that for their defense?

      "Go[ing] to the news" works great -- after everything is over. Simply cutting load is what happens when it needs to happen. There is an existing program which handles this shedding of load, which would be prohibited by the Texas law. The program is federal law, this is state law. Guess which one will take precedence? Guess which one makes the other moot and invalid?

      Finally, and this is the single most important point that you seem to be going out of your way to ignore, is that Verizon tried to charge them more money for the privilege of not getting throttled.

      And if you go past your limit, you do. During a disaster, it can happen even if you haven't gone past your limit. This proposed law is patently absurd because it will only force the problem to be worse, not better. And it flies in the face of existing national, federal programs that deal with first responder access to data.

      So maybe you should spend less time accusing other people of being stupid

      Apparently you'd rather play victim instead of understanding the difference between calling ideas stupid and calling people stupid. We're talking about an idea of a law being stupid. I could have called the author stupid but did not. He's probably not stupid, just ignorant. And his ignorance means he wrote a stupid law. And that law happens to be the subject of this discussion, not some specific action by Verizon in the past. We're looking at a bigger picture here. Can you keep up?

    19. Re:Great plan by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      blah blah blah hypothetical scenarios that didn't actually happen

      Apparently you'd rather play victim instead of understanding the difference between calling ideas stupid and calling people stupid. We're talking about an idea of a law being stupid. I could have called the author stupid but did not. He's probably not stupid, just ignorant. And his ignorance means he wrote a stupid law. And that law happens to be the subject of this discussion, not some specific action by Verizon in the past. We're looking at a bigger picture here. Can you keep up?

      I dunno, can you stop being a "I must win the argument at all costs even if I have to make stuff up" asshole long enough to actually read your own writing? How exactly am I playing the victim? Actually, you know what, I don't know what you're talking about nor do I care. You're clearly too busy inventing hypothetical scenarios to look at the actual events that led up to why this law was being introduced.

        The "big picture" is that he introduced a law *in direct response to something Verizon did*. Okay? Is that really so hard for you to grasp? This law is EXACTLY because of "some specific action by Verizon in the past". I mean, seriously, how the hell did you manage to miss that part?

      If Verizon didn't do what they did, this law wouldn't be in play. PERIOD.

      There were no bandiwdth issues. Ok? Let me say it again. There were no bandwidth issues This is about Verizon trying to gouge during a crisis and a law maker is rightfully giving them the middle finger, and he is right to do so. Don't like it? Go cry to your corporate welfare friends at Fox News. Or maybe Putin. Whoever your handler is.

  3. The Problem with preventing any throttling by BenFranske · · Score: 2

    I would tend to support prohibitions on throttling for any emergency service and recovery personnel but it seems counterproductive to prevent throttling of typical consumers. During an emergency is exactly the best time to triage and prioritize some communications over others. Given that networks, wireless ones in particular, have limited total capacity I would not want to see emergency service and recovery service traffic taking a backseat to someone in the area watching YouTube videos. It seems emergencies are exactly the sort of thing QoS is designed for! It just needs to be applied properly giving the bandwidth resources to the people who will help the most other people.

    1. Re: The Problem with preventing any throttling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I bet this guy mumbled surrounded by idiots Just before he proposed the bill.

    2. Re:The Problem with preventing any throttling by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"I would tend to support prohibitions on throttling for any emergency service and recovery personnel"

      I wouldn't. Not if they bought a plan that does throttling. I fail to understand the public outrage that an agency bought a plan of X GB and then throttling and then got upset about it. If that is not an appropriate plan for emergency service workers, then it should not be what they purchased.

      It would be like entering a fire truck rental agreement that could go 100 miles a week and would would not start after that or would run at half speed after a week. Then yelling and crying when you go over 100 miles in a week. Duh.

    3. Re:The Problem with preventing any throttling by geggam · · Score: 1

      Too many civilians are acting as first responders for this to be a good idea. Better idea would be to require everyone to maintain a telephone line to be used during emergencies.

      We pay taxes to support just that

    4. Re:The Problem with preventing any throttling by BenFranske · · Score: 1

      I don't mean priority on their personal service, I mean that what you would want to prioritize is their agency/organization owned service devices (i.e. the data connections in firetrucks, etc.)

    5. Re:The Problem with preventing any throttling by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      It seems emergencies are exactly the sort of thing FirstNet is designed for!

      FTFY.

    6. Re:The Problem with preventing any throttling by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      (i.e. the data connections in firetrucks, etc.)

      A lot of the "data connections" for fire responders are personally-owned devices, since a lot of the response (outside urban areas) is by volunteer firemen.

  4. net neutrality is a political only issue by js290 · · Score: 1

    The technical reality is during a disaster you want the DSCP markings to be honored (exact opposite of neutrality). E911 gets highest priority non control plane markings.

    --
    "Tempers are wearing thin. Let's just hope some robot doesn't kill everybody." --Bender
    1. Re:net neutrality is a political only issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop being rational. The current political climate calls for ignorance, stupidity, irrationality, anti-semitism, denial of basic science, and pretending economics doesn't matter.

      And the Republicans are bad too.

  5. Or you could pass a different law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or you could pass a law that requires first responders to pay attention to the plans they purchase in the first place and select the appropriate one.

    1. Re:Or you could pass a different law by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You mean like instead of Above Unlimited or Beyond Unlimited, they should get the No, Really Unlimited Unlimited package? Did Verizon even give CA first responders an option that prevented throttling in that case?

    2. Re: Or you could pass a different law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh that would be what people without mental retardation call u limited.

    3. Re:Or you could pass a different law by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"Did Verizon even give CA first responders an option that prevented throttling in that case?"

      THAT is the real question. It is stupid and silly for the agencies to complain that they bought a plan with X GB then throttling.... and THEN complained about the throttling, done exactly as stated in the contract. THAT WAS THE PLAN THEY BOUGHT. And if the government worker(s) entered into that very, very industry-standard agreement without understanding it, then they are very, very incompetent.

      If you can't handle throttling, then:

      1) Get a plan with X GB and then it charges per MB.
      Or
      2) Get a plan that is 100% metered.

      Now, if none of the suitable carriers have such a plan AND are unwilling to create such a plan for emergency agencies (which seems unlikely), THEN perhaps the FCC should step in.

    4. Re:Or you could pass a different law by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Now, if none of the suitable carriers have such a plan AND are unwilling to create such a plan for emergency agencies (which seems unlikely), THEN perhaps the FCC should step in.

      The price per MB for overage is outrageous (even at Verizon's old .002 CENTS per KB). If you think that taxpayer dollars shouldn't be spent on outrageous plans, then perhaps the FCC should step in.

    5. Re:Or you could pass a different law by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      The price per MB for overage is outrageous (even at Verizon's old .002 CENTS per KB). If you think that taxpayer dollars shouldn't be spent on outrageous plans, then perhaps the FCC should step in.

      0.002 CENTS per KB is on the expensive side, but not outrageous. It only becomes outrageous when there are numpties involved who can't do maths and turn 0.002 CENTS per KB into $2 per MB, because to them thousand times 0.002 cents is two dollars, not two cents.

  6. Throttling is irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cellular networks could not even handle the traffic when Osama Bin Laden was supposedly killed. It was impossible to send a text or make a call. How about backtracking to the consistent failure of their outsourced pajeets and other corner cutting measures rather than blame a throttle boogeyman?

  7. Seems very shortsighted by Improv · · Score: 1

    I'm all for net neutrality in the general case, but during an emergency we have the unfortunate mix of likely having higher demand and lower supply for traffic. Throttling nonessential traffic seems commonsense so essential traffic will make it through. The alternative might be an effective telco blackout during emergencies.

    --
    For every problem, there is at least one solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.
  8. We're ALWAYS in an emergency. by Kaenneth · · Score: 1
  9. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THe poor fools who need help can get through

  10. murmuring comforting words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... would prohibit wireless carriers from throttling ...

    Disaster areas don't need high-speed data, they don't need unlimited data, they need everyone else to get off the information highway so relief and rescue crews can do their job. Texting and even twitter uses far less bandwidth than a couple of local yokels murmuring comforting words to each other. Disaster areas are the only place where consumer data needs to be de-prioritized.

    ... prohibit throttling in disaster areas of any customer ...

    A disaster should not be an opportunity for customers to use more data: That would be encouraging bad behaviour.

  11. Idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It couldn't have been the agency being cheap asses and assuming that they could get free data when they wanted it. Oh, and that's exactly one incident. This socialist power grab, by the way, would make the situation worse, but go ahead and feel smug about stealing from people because progressive.

  12. Why throttling? by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think law makers need to sit down with telcoms and the two need to work out why and when throttling is appropriate.

    Especially in an emergency situation when EVERYONE is trying to use it, greedily, and without throttling, you just end in a situation where no one can use it at all.

    So basically, understanding why throttling is taking place, before you start making laws about something you potentially have no f'ing clue about.

    1. Re:Why throttling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think law makers need to sit down with telcoms and the two need to work out why and when throttling is appropriate.

      Especially in an emergency situation when EVERYONE is trying to use it, greedily, and without throttling, you just end in a situation where no one can use it at all.

      So basically, understanding why throttling is taking place, before you start making laws about something you potentially have no f'ing clue about.

      It's more like the American telecoms in particular need a good and proper spanking.

    2. Re:Why throttling? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I think law makers need to sit down with telcoms and the two need to work out why and when throttling is appropriate.

      They already have, at the national level. This is not a state-level regulatory function AT ALL. Not only is the proposed Texas law stupid on its face, it is trying to regulate a national process.

  13. Shithole Country Riddled With False Advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What an African-level pile of shit you guys have.. congrats!

    The lack of consumer protections BIGLY encourage me to invest in America, fo sho!!

  14. Re: Somalia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should move there, youre perfect for it!

  15. he should by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    also forbid traffic congestion

    --
    I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
  16. But... but their intentions are Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never judge a socialist by the result, only by the goodness of their moral signaling or intention!!!!11

  17. Very badly thought through by gnasher719 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here's the facts: We want emergency services to be able to communicate during an emergency, without restrictions. We want emergency service to pay just like everyone else. We don't want massive infrastructure that the end user pays for, and that is useless 99.9% of the time, except in emergencies.

    So what telcos should do: Offer a plan exclusively to emergency services with the following rules: 1. They pay for their data and call allowance just like everyone else. 2. When they exceed their data allowance, for example due to an emergency, the bill for that is sorted out later, but they are NEVER capped and NEVER throttled and NEVER blocked. Also, they should get priority of networks are congested due to high traffic.

    Of course that doesn't give a firefighter the right to watch videos all the time with a 500MB plan. They will not be capped, or slowed down, or blocked, but they will pay the bill.

    1. Re:Very badly thought through by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      2. When they exceed their data allowance, for example due to an emergency, the bill for that is sorted out later

      This suggestion co-sponsored by the Full Employment For Lawyers political action committee, who are more than willing to help sort it out later in court. Ambiguous Laws Are Our Speciality (tm)

      --
      Chelloveck
      I give up on debugging. From now on, SIGSEGV is a feature.
  18. What else is in the bill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good,

    Now, what else is buried in the bill that they are not disclosing to us all?

  19. Um by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um. HOld on. No. How about public service employees that need to rely on public telecommunications networks in safety of life situations, buy a fucking upgraded Safety Of Life Guaranteed data plan? And then, maybe the company will provide that unthrottled service as they race to risk their life to save people from burning up in flames. Like, if they choose to offer it. Which means either profitable for them to, or bad for profits if they don't. We'll see how much fuss you make about it on social media before deciding the latter.

  20. Big goverment bullshit from dumbocrat party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More big goverment bull shit from the liberal left who want nothing more than 100% socialism to destroy country. We all in Texas STRONGLY voted to STOP this kind of big government libtard fatcat corrupt union globalist influence in the nation. And just like how net nutrality is a terrible idea past its time so is this. All regulation of amazing telecommunications industry always to result in bigger bills, higher taxes and more liberal agenda shoved down everyones throats. It will be good to see this effort defeated because Texans are real hard working americans like us and strongly behind republican freedom instead of democrat slavery.

  21. Emergency services !== public networks by cordovaCon83 · · Score: 1

    Government services shouldn't be adding extra load to commercial networks during major catastrophes. Someone tell the government to stop being cheap. For everyone else - I can understand some situations in an emergency where internet services might be required but for the most part the average citizen should be focused on evacuating safely. Don't check Waze for updates - read road signs and listen to emergency services' directions. You should not be relying on commercial services during emergencies as a general rule...

    1. Re:Emergency services !== public networks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government is spending BILLIONS of dollars on new narrowband digital radio networks that are perfectly capable of carrying data for them. There is no earthly reason why Public Safety should be using consumer networks for anything.

      I think you're being totally unrealistic about Internet during disasters. If anything we should be leveraging the reliability of the cell network (which is FAR greater than the reliability of radio and TV, especially during disasters) to deliver timely and important information during disasters.

  22. Networks can't handle high utilization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The networks simply can't handle what this idiot is proposing. Oversubscription has been a thing since deregulation. You can't guarantee access to a finite resource where there is demand in excess of the supply. You must reduce demand or increase supply. You can't eat your cake and have it, too.

  23. Ups and downs of throttling and cell service by TheHawke · · Score: 1

    The ups: great when you got service.

    The downs; if the cell towers didn't blow down from the storm or simply got wiped off the map. Several key towers were toppled or ruined by Harvey when it hit, pretty much killing all service in the Rockport/Fulton/Holiday Beach area for at least 2 full months after. There was only one tower that stayed in service and it was way down the road from town by Aransas Pass. The poor thing was so inundated with traffic, that data was a slow dog, and more than a few calls were dropping like flies.

    But AT&T was sporting in removing the caps and giving us grace periods on billing. Dunno about Sprint or Verizon tho...

    --
    First rule of holes; When in one, stop digging.
  24. Won't somebody please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Won't somebody please think of the First Responders ?!?!

    -Helen Lovejoy

  25. I see by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    So bandwidth can magically be created out of nothing. Because legislation!

    A gig in every pot!