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California Governor Proposes Digital Dividend Aimed At Big Tech (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: California Governor Gavin Newsom proposed a "digital dividend" that would let consumers share in the billions of dollars made by technology companies in the most populous U.S. state. In his "State of the State" speech on Tuesday, Newsom said California is proud to be home to tech firms. But he said companies that make billions of dollars "collecting, curating and monetizing our personal data have a duty to protect it. Consumers have a right to know and control how their data is being used." He went further by suggesting the companies share some of those profits, joining other politicians calling for higher levies on the wealthy in U.S. society. "California's consumers should also be able to share in the wealth that is created from their data," Newsom said. "And so I've asked my team to develop a proposal for a new data dividend for Californians, because we recognize that data has value and it belongs to you." Newsom didn't describe what form the dividend might take, although he said "we can do something bold in this space." He also praised a tough California data-privacy law that will kick in next year.

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  1. Move your brand by AHuxley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To a low tax state that respects your right to innovate.
    Lots of other great US states have fast internet and low tax.
    Low power costs and an educated workforce that's ready.

    Escape the trash, waste, crime, new taxes and find a better state.
    They will let you keep your employee cafeterias too.

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    1. Re:Move your brand by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To a low tax state that respects your right to innovate.
      Lots of other great US states have fast internet and low tax.
      Low power costs and an educated workforce that's ready.

      I would just mod you up if I had any points, but I don't. One of the great truths in life that I learned a long time ago is that the rich (including corporations) are really good at protecting their money. This is why things like the "Fair Tax" movement in the USA will fail if it ever gets enacted. The rich have ways to buy things in ways that will avoid them paying tax. Similarly, there are limits to how much California can tax their high earning companies unless they are willing to watch them leave.

    2. Re:Move your brand by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Well, technically there is a way but I doubt anyone wants to go down that road.

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    3. Re:Move your brand by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      The "Fair Tax" would be a dream for the rich, resulting in massive savings for them. It's basically a flat sales tax on every damn thing. The rich spend far less than they make, and only a fraction of their spending is done in the US.

      Meanwhile the lower classes would be devastated by the sales taxes since they spend most or all of what they make on the basic necessities of living and participating in the economy, and almost all of that spending is local. You'd soon see them take on the kind of spending patterns that are common for people in Latin America and the Caribbean, which would be to do as much of their shopping as possible during an annual trip outside of the country and smuggle back a ton of stuff to avoid getting reamed by ruinous sales taxes.

      But the companies won't leave California so easily, and if they do, it would be better for the US as a whole to reduce the geographic income concentration of having all the tech megacorps packed into one region.

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    4. Re:Move your brand by lgw · · Score: 2

      Spending less than you make is only a viable method to getting rich if you already have a very generous income.

      Proven false by a great many people, including myself when younger. Heck, a buddy of mine was a security guard making $6/hour and saving half his pay (he did work a lot of hours), who inspired me to do the same. It's just a matter of priorities and optimization, assuming you have a full-time job. Not much you can do beyond subsistence if you're stuck with part time work, but that's not most people.

      Whether your religion is Rich Dad Poor Dad, or Mr Money Mustache, or one of the many other cults of savings, get the fervor and you can save. Plenty of proven recipes out there, but any way you do it is a matter of working to change your habits and finding pleasure in the abstract activity of saving (abstraction is very hard for some people, but again that's not most people).

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    5. Re:Move your brand by lgw · · Score: 2

      $130k is rich when you're making $6/hour!

      That's a big part of the various savings religions: focus on the cheap things that give you pleasure. The goal is financial independence and comfort, not impressing your neighbors.

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  2. Re:Born Parasites by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The rest of the USA needs to tell investors in CA what they have to offer.
    Imagine a state with clean streets.
    Low tax.
    Low power bills.
    Fast internet.
    No strange new city and state laws about how to run a business.
    Lower cost housing in nice communities.
    A transport network thats well designed and that gets people to work on time.
    Low crime and well paid police than enforce the law.
    No strange new taxes on wealth, productivity, profits, innovation, investment, creativity.
    Workers who can be hired on merit.
    College education that produces skilled workers not protesters.

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  3. Hmmm... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe the fact that companies aren't moving out of California means that the market has already spoken, and that making a shitty state low-tax doesn't make up for being a shitty state. Maybe those low-tax states should raise taxes and become better places to live to attract those companies.

    It's so strange to assume that really rich companies (or billionaires) care so much about saving 10% off their taxes that they'll take a heavy hit to their quality of life. I mean, they could save more than that by moving from a private jet to first-class or a 250' yacht to a 200' yacht. And they don't.

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    1. Re:Hmmm... by Syncerus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This article, taken at face value, suggests otherwise:

      https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/429623-americans-continue-their-march-to-low-tax-states

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    2. Re:Hmmm... by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe the fact that companies aren't moving out of California means that the market has already spoken, and that making a shitty state low-tax doesn't make up for being a shitty state. Maybe those low-tax states should raise taxes and become better places to live to attract those companies.

      It's so strange to assume that really rich companies (or billionaires) care so much about saving 10% off their taxes that they'll take a heavy hit to their quality of life. I mean, they could save more than that by moving from a private jet to first-class or a 250' yacht to a 200' yacht. And they don't.

      This, That low tax state is a low tax state because it's shitty already. Moving out to Bumfuck, Montana sounds good for a tax write off but then you realise how much up front you'd need to spend just getting the basics set up like power, internet, water. The capex in moving alone would kill the tax savings for a decade. Then you realise that 80% of your workforce doesn't want to move to the worst performing schools in the country and are looking for jobs at your competitors.. It costs money to hire people, even more money to hire people in places where they don't want to live.

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  4. Re:Born Parasites by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How do you pull all of this off? You want low taxes, but at the same time you want to offer a load of services that would have to be paid for with taxes.

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  5. Re:State wide Stock Fund? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

    The state of California is actually a huge institutional investor, and probably owns billions of dollars of tech stocks.

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  6. Re:"Share some of those profits" by parkinglot777 · · Score: 2

    It is obvious that you, AC, doesn't own or work in a big company. Your comment seems to come from a small (or individually own) company point of view.

    It all depends on how deep the big tech companies have their root in where they are. Besides, they will have to look for other locations and that would take some times. I highly doubt it is easy for any big tech companies to simply pack their stuff and go right now. They have to adapt to the situation and may plan to move if necessary, but it wouldn't be in the near future.

  7. Re:Businesses won't leave... by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't follow your logic:

    H-1B population, they will go where the jobs are. If major tech companies move to some small rural town in Arkansas, they will move there. Being on a Visa, usually means the Visa holder isn't as settled as citizen are so getting up and moving to where ever the work is, is nearly their lifestyle.

    Housing costs is a MAJOR issue in California, such tight control isn't needed in states where you can buy a home with over 2000sq/ft and and acre of land pay less then two thousand dollars a month on a normal 30 year mortgage.

    By what other amenities are you talking about? How does this compared to other well populated states, New York, New England states, New Jersey....
    New York State, actually has a stricter gun safety law.

    California isn't bad, but tech companies are not stuck there, and if California makes life too difficult or unprofitable, companies can move out without major consequences.

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  8. Re:Born Parasites by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

    How do you pull all of this off? You want low taxes, but at the same time you want to offer a load of services that would have to be paid for with taxes.

    There's plenty of cities in different states, that have MUCH lower taxation, yet are able to provide plenty of city services (police, fire, schools, etc).

    These places also don't tell you how to run your business.

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  9. Other people's money by bradley13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There they go again: politicians buying votes with other people's money.

    If they have a genuine interest in protecting people's data, all they need is to copy the GDPR. It's one of the few truly good things to come out of the EU parliament: companies must have your explicit permission in order to collect and use your data.

    But that's not what this proposal in California is about. This is about sounding good, winning political brownie points by promising to hand out someone else's money.

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  10. Re:Born Parasites by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Informative

    Now we're talking. Can you name some of those places, maybe there's something to be learned.

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  11. Re:Just buy their stock by imperious_rex · · Score: 2

    As a dividend investor, I couldn't agree more. Want to profit off a company's profits? Buy their stocks. However, most of the CA based big tech companies don't pay dividends. Of the five FAANG (Facebook Apple Amazon Netflix Google) companies, only four are based in California and only Apple (APPL) pays a dividend (a paltry 1.7% at that). For everything else, the "buy low, sell high" strategy is the only option for investors.

  12. Re:Born Parasites by pak9rabid · · Score: 2

    How do you pull all of this off? You want low taxes, but at the same time you want to offer a load of services that would have to be paid for with taxes.

    Easy, drop all the bullshit entitlement programs and focus on services that benefit productive members of society.

  13. If they could do that they already would have by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    companies don't move to high cost of living areas because they want to. They do that because all the talented college grads want to live there.

    My Kid is finishing up college and wants to move to one of the pricey cities in Colorado. As an old dude that doesn't make sense to me since I don't want to pay $2k/mo for a decent apartment but if I was young I'd want to live in a big, fun city.

    For lower tier jobs workers go where the work is. But for the higher tier stuff it's the other way around. See here

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  14. Re:"Share some of those profits" by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't get fed by looking at eggs, ya know?

    You get fed by owning a share of the goose. Not sitting around waiting to be fed by the egg thief.

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  15. Re:Businesses won't leave... by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    I expect he sees the nation from the California perspective. (like we see in Hollywood)
    The Standard Good American life, California. (Full House)
    The tough inner city life style with oddly very large appartments, New York City (Friends/Sienfield)
    Hillbillies, and struggling lower middle class. The rest of America. (Married with Children/Rosane)

    Either that his post was meant to be sarcastic to try to show how Liberal California is, because Fox News is based in New York City, so California is the whipping boy of the LiBeRaL Agenda.

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  16. What'd I say? by CaptainDork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Right here?

    Declare private data to be IP and copyrighted by the entity creating the IP.

    Calculate the value of the IP by examining the revenue generated from it.

    Pay royalties to the owners of the private IP whenever and wherever the data is used/reused, in perpetuity.

    For those who don't wish to sell their IP, allow them to opt out. Any private IP harvested will be theft.

    I have to think of everything and stuff.

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  17. Re:No Thanks by lgw · · Score: 2

    We already got Toyota and State Farm from the (nastiest) bay area. Both have relatively sane blue collar workers. Don't want a bunch of feely feels tech (wannabe) millionaires coming in here and making even more waves, driving up the cost of living and turning the state even more liberal. If ya wanna be a foam speckled progressive, at least try to stay in Austin.

    Austin is the designated Californian Containment Zone in Texas. Please respect our boundaries.

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  18. Re:Share by gtall · · Score: 2

    It isn't a question of building more damn houses, it is a question of where to build more damn houses. If you can build them just south of East Where-Am-I and it takes two hours to commute to a job, that sort of puts a damper on your plan to build more damn houses.

  19. Re:Businesses won't leave... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    California has a gun homicide rate of 3.3/100k. That is above average, worse than 31 other states.

    Gun violence in the USA by state