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Middle-Age Men Who Can Do 40+ Push-Ups Have Lower Heart Disease Risk, Study Finds (cbslocal.com)

A new study finds that active middle aged men who can do more than 40 push-ups at a time have a significantly lower risk of heart disease. From a report: Researchers at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health followed more than 1,100 middle-aged male firefighters over a decade. They looked at two specific measures: how many push-ups they could do and their exercise tolerance on a treadmill. They found that men who could do more than 40 push-ups had a 96-percent lower risk of heart disease than those who could do no more than 10 and their ability to do push-ups was a better predictor of cardiovascular disease than their stamina on a treadmill test.

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  1. From the 'No sh*t, Sherlock' department by nwaack · · Score: 5, Funny

    Soooo...people who are healthier have less diseases. Well done!

    1. Re:From the 'No sh*t, Sherlock' department by AvitarX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the fact that it's a better measure of cardiovascular health than a treadmill is pretty relevant, and not actually intuitive.

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    2. Re:From the 'No sh*t, Sherlock' department by belthize · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And every day the ability of slashdot readers to make it past the headline before delivering their knee jerk response grows less and less.

      The study involved 1100 firefighters and showed that number of push ups was a better indicator than standard treadmill tests. The advantage is that it's a trivial test anyone can do and requires no special equipment.

    3. Re:From the 'No sh*t, Sherlock' department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Perhaps the results would be more generally applicable if the pool included professions _other_ than firefighters (which is a self-selected cohort for the most part).

    4. Re: From the 'No sh*t, Sherlock' department by mnemotronic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just forty...

      I can do 1 or 2. Maybe 10 girlie pushups. Most of the ladies in my "core fitness" class at the gym kick my flabby ass on pushups and situps. I got 'em beat on farting and smelling like an old man though ...

      "Hey sweetheart! Wanna grab an espresso or energy shake after class? Maybe go back to my place? I'm pretty good at massages. Huh? Yea, ok, No problem. Maybe next week, ok?"

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    5. Re:From the 'No sh*t, Sherlock' department by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Informative

      is it though? all it shows us is that upper body strength and potentially having less fat around upper body strength is a better indicator of health then lower body/leg strength.

      No, all it shows is that older people have more cardiovascular events than younger ones.

      The ones who could do fewer push-ups were older. By 13 years.

      (see the first row in table 1 of the article, here: https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/am... )

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    6. Re:From the 'No sh*t, Sherlock' department by fazig · · Score: 2

      It's weird, since sustained exercise like running, cycling, swimming, rowing have been the traditional cardio exercises.

      And as an strength athlete (cycling) I can confirm that the daily 1 hour cycling session (~25km through not so flat terrain) does get my heart pumping quite a bit.
      I also do my 50 push-ups in the morning to get my circulatory system running. This is exhausting and gets my heart beating at a higher rate than cycling. But this happens only during the short time of perhaps 2 minutes.

      The former also burns a lot more calories than the latter and makes me sweat a lot more.

    7. Re:From the 'No sh*t, Sherlock' department by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      That's likely why it's a better indicator of cardiovascular problems. Short duration high intensity exertion requires the same of your heart. Lower intensity cardio requires your heart to work at less than its maximum, but over a longer period of time.

      A maximum effort treadmill test might do as well. Just turn up the speed until the subject goes flying off.

    8. Re:From the 'No sh*t, Sherlock' department by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      How much better is it though? They omit that detail from the summary and leave your mind to make some assumption that probably inflates the difference. It appears as though that's a result that was observed after the fact rather than a hypothesis that was considered initially. As such, it warrants a controlled study specifically designed to test only that hypothesis. Otherwise you run the risk of odd results showing up that aren't really being studied.

      For example, if they tracked hair or eye color for all participants, they may have discovered that men with blonde hair and brown eyes only needed to do 20 push-ups to get the same results. Not because those characteristics actually influence anything, but because if you have enough factors under observation you're more likely to see the occurrence of events with a low statistical probability as a result of random chance.

    9. Re:From the 'No sh*t, Sherlock' department by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Soooo...people who are healthier have less diseases. Well done!

      I outsource my push-up doing . . . does that count . . . ?

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    10. Re:From the 'No sh*t, Sherlock' department by Luthair · · Score: 3

      I wonder whether push-ups happen to reflect overall fitness, or if one were to train specifically to do push-ups whether that would break the correlation.

    11. Re:From the 'No sh*t, Sherlock' department by TimothyHollins · · Score: 5, Funny

      It was a thorough study. The all-female research team had to personally watch 1,100 firefighters undress and do 40 push-ups.

    12. Re:From the 'No sh*t, Sherlock' department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Yeah they say in the 'Association of Push-ups and CVD-Related Outcomes' section of the results that even after adjusting for age, push-up capacity was associated with lower risk for CVD events, but go on to say that the results in table 3 were only significant for one of the groups (21-30 push-ups vs 0-10 pushups). So basically once they adjust for age, their effect seems to mostly go away. My data analysis skills aren't what they once were, but they're data doesn't seem to support the claim they're making as well as they are trying to say it does.

    13. Re:From the 'No sh*t, Sherlock' department by retroworks · · Score: 2

      The weight I've gained at mid-50s takes a bigger toll on my push ups than it takes on my treadmill. I think it's physics.

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  2. So I should be good until by Snotnose · · Score: 3, Funny

    ohh, noonish. Maybe mid-afternoon bagel if I don't exert myself.

  3. I can do 40 pushups by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Funny

    a year. Does that count?

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  4. What if we do yoga daily for 30 minutes? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Funny

    Asking for a friend ...

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    1. Re:What if we do yoga daily for 30 minutes? by fortythirteen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not the same. Muscle mass plays heavily into these results. More muscle => higher metabolism => better heart health. These types of studies, usually done by people who aren't fitness experts, omit key correlations, such as the dietary habits of someone who cares to be able to do more than 40 pushups, and how that helps heart health as well.

      Note: this doesn't mean that more muscle is automatically good, but you have to get into bodybuilder/powerlifter territory before it starts having a negative impact.

    2. Re:What if we do yoga daily for 30 minutes? by mfnickster · · Score: 3, Funny

      Additional work from martial arts tae kwon do forms.

      Yeah, that's why I gave up martial arts. I couldn't stand all the paperwork. :-P

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    3. Re:What if we do yoga daily for 30 minutes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Exercising with a bunch of fit 20-something year old women in form fitting, skin tight clothes is totally gay. You should do something manly like wrestling, where you roll around on the ground with sweaty, half naked men.

  5. silly harvard studies... by js290 · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the Harvard "more push-ups = less heart disease" study, the group that could do 31-40 push-ups had a HIGHER rate of heart disease than the group that could do 21-30 push-ups, even though the 21-30 guys were older and heavier. Anyone still think this study is meaningful?

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    Pushups And Heart Attacks: The Usual Harvard Nonsense

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  6. 40 is not a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "People who are somewhat physically fit are healthier than fatty ding dongs"

    This is sure to trigger the Healthy At Any SIze crowd.

  7. Proxy for obesity? by reanjr · · Score: 2

    Wouldn't this just be a proxy for obesity? It's generally much easier for small guys to do more pushups.

  8. Middle-age or Middle-aged? by fat+man's+underwear · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm pretty sure the fact that a man in the 1300s could do push ups has little to do with my health?

  9. Analysis of Factors by dslauson · · Score: 2

    There are two factors here:

    • Upper body muscle strength
    • Upper body mass

    I have a feeling most men reading this will focus on the first part, but I have a feeling the second part is the more important. If you are overweight, it becomes much harder to do a push up, regardless of how strong your arms and chest are. The correlation between obesity and heart disease is well documented. So this isn't really anything new.

  10. Same thing by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Bike riding is leg pushups so you are fine.

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  11. A fairly high bar... by Jamori · · Score: 5, Informative

    40 unbroken, consecutive, full-range (chest touches the floor) pushups is really a fairly high bar athletically, probably on the order of top ~1% of the total population

    The study indicates this corresponds to the top ~10% of firefighters, a group who on a whole are already known to be in vastly better shape than most of the population. This corresponds with my own anecdotal observations -- at my local crossfit gym, we test for max pushups once a year or so, mostly for fun. 40+ unbroken pushups easily corresponds to the top ~5% of that self-selected high fitness crowd as well.

  12. Badly done analysis by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 3, Informative

    ^^^^^

    Somebody mod this up.

    Yes, the firefighters who could do the fewest push-ups were older (average age 48.4, compared to 35.1 for the ones who could do 41+ pushups) and were more likely to be smokers.

    At the end of the 10 year study period, the firefighters who could to 41 or more pushups were still younger than the ones who could do less than 10 had been at the start of the study.

    Older people have more cardiovascular events.

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  13. Better mental health by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

    Middle aged men who don't feel the need to check if they can do 40+ push ups have better mental health

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  14. Re:Clickbait Science by viperidaenz · · Score: 3

    Also, from the article:

    The results do not support push-up capacity as an independent predictor of CVD risk

  15. Re:I can't even do 10 but I'm healthy as a horse by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

    25mph average speed over 100 miles, solo? Ha. A top-tier Pro road racer (Tour de France level, that is) at their peak level of fitness for the year would have a hard time pulling that off as a solo rider, even on a totally flat-as-a-board course (before you say it: the peloton travels faster than any solo rider). An averagely-talented amateur might be able to average 25mph in a 10 to 25 mile time-trial (assuming they have a TT bike and stay 'aero' the whole time). I take it from your comment you're not a road racer who trains all year 'round? Sorry but you couldn't do 100 miles in 4 hours. The first full Century I did, about 10 years ago, I did in somewhere between 6 and 7 hours. A few years ago I and a couple teammates did a local Century, and we did it in between 5 and 6 hours, and that's trading off drafting each other.

    "..proud of yourself."
    LOL I'll be 'proud of myself' when I actually earn a spot on the podium at a road race. But that doesn't mean I don't have a strong, healthy heart, regardless of how many pushups I can't do.

  16. Confirming other observations: strength is healthy by Deaddy · · Score: 2

    It is nice to see more confirmation in this direction. Almost all research in the past decades was focussed on the health benefits of endurance training, however strength seems to be a better indicator for health than endurance, e.g. as noted in this longterm study, even when equating for lifestyle choices like smoking (so it's not that stronger people just make better decisions).

    Grip strength seems also to be a good (and easy to measure) indicator. Also the stand-sit test which has become common practice in geriatry is practically a measure of strength.

    Why muscle and strength (of course one has to exclude enhanced athletes with supraphysiological amounts of muscle) is so healthy is still not totally clear, but there are already two factors standing out, which cannot be replicated by endurance type of training: The first benefit is better mobility and protection against injury, in particular in high age. Second, when you are hit with a wasting disease, or just stop eating like you used to and get into a protein deficit, your body can take those aminos from your muscle instead from your precious vital organs. In particular atrophy in the heart is very hard to reverse (a struggle many recovered anorexics have).

  17. Nearly impossible to correct. by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2

    No, all it shows is that older people have more cardiovascular events than younger ones.

    No, it shows that the ability to do push-ups was a better predictor of cardiovascular disease than their stamina on a treadmill test.

    No. It shows that ability to do push-ups is a good predictor of... age.

    That's what the article says, and the table you linked to does nothing to contradict it. Age is the easiest thing in the world to control for.

    Age is very hard to correct for in cardiovascular studies, and when you "correct" two groups that are pretty much non overlapping (the difference in means is larger than the standard deviations), it is effectively impossible. Cardiovascular events are very highly nonlinear with age, and the age they happen to use here is one where the many-push-ups groups is of an age where cardiovascular events are very very rare. Most of the events you're going to find are going to be with the population that is a standard deviation older than the mean.

    And in any case, since this "adjustment" of the data is critical to the results they give, they should have documented how they did that adjustment.

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