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The US Cannot Crush Us, Says Huawei Founder (bbc.com)

The founder of Huawei has said there is "no way the US can crush" the company, in an interview with the BBC. From the report: Ren Zhengfei, founder and president of Huawei, described the arrest of his daughter Meng Wanzhou, the company's chief financial officer, as politically motivated. The US is pursuing criminal charges against Huawei and Ms Meng, including money laundering, bank fraud and stealing trade secrets. Huawei denies any wrongdoing.

Mr Ren spoke to the BBC's Karishma Vaswani in his first international broadcast interview since Ms Meng was arrested -- and dismissed the pressure from the US. "There's no way the US can crush us," he said. "The world cannot leave us because we are more advanced. Even if they persuade more countries not to use us temporarily, we can always scale things down a bit." However, he acknowledged that the potential loss of custom could have a significant impact. [...] Mr Ren warned that "the world cannot leave us because we are more advanced". "If the lights go out in the West, the East will still shine. And if the North goes dark, there is still the South. America doesn't represent the world. America only represents a portion of the world."

140 comments

  1. Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just want you to follow the law.

    You can do business any way you like within those confines. Not our problem if you can't hack it without hacking others.

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    1. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In China the law is a little different, it's hard for them to understand Western law.

    2. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      An amazing statement; for a shop keeper. But then Huawei's business partner makes Putin look like a little lost school girl.

    3. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In China the law is a little different, it's hard for them to understand Western law.

      Canadian officials said something similar when China asked to have the accused Huawei executive handed back to China immediately.

      Canadian officials kept emphasizing their separation of powers requires that the courts finish their job, barring some national emergency. In the Chinese system, if the leader(s) say "do X" you do X, no questions asked. Business hierarchies there are similar, I hear, at least more so than the USA.

    4. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Xylantiel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, Chinese executives seem to just betray the fact that they don't understand the rule of law and how an actual functional justice system works. Instead of saying that they will prevail in court against the charges, they say things that seem to imply that the CFO should be let off for entirely political reasons. That may be the norm in China, but in non-authoritarian countries that isn't how it works.

    5. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by PPH · · Score: 1

      Show them a National Security Letter. I'm sure they'll feel right at home.

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    6. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny, considering the U.S. is hardly following the law either -- it's entirely politically and financially motivated. It has nothing to do with law.

    7. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you chose to use American banks, you're bound by American banking law. It's really that simple.

      "follow international law, which China seems to " ... that's rich. Like annexing Tibet and creating your own EEZ by covering some shoals with sand. No, China doesn't follow any international law unless they find it convenient. Your propaganda is fucking hilarious.

    8. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Well, the next step is to arrest a CFO of an American company during a vacation in (say) Haiti. For anti-government propaganda.

    9. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We've always been at war with China.

    10. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but no American CFOs are going to vacation in the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere.

    11. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arrest them in Thailand then. Not like they aren't fucking underage boys.

    12. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. For instance, as a Norwegian, how much the US/UK focuses on "the letter of the law" instead of "the spirit of the law" in courts is quite alien. (Here, ambiguities are usually dealt with by checking the documented work behind a law, so that a law is always interpreted in the manner intended by the people who wrote it.)

    13. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by youngone · · Score: 0

      ...they say things that seem to imply that the CFO should be let off for entirely political reasons.

      Like Oliver North maybe? The Chinese are just more honest about who gets let off and why.

    14. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oliver North? The man that was given immunity for his testimony, then had the courts intervene when the prosecutors tried to go back on their word and use his testimony against him?

      The guy that won out on the basis that the law was on his side? That guy?

      Maybe you aren't making the point you thought you were...

    15. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Elon Musk isn't a CFO.

    16. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You admitted he was guilty and sought a deal to keep his criminal ass out of prison. Typical Fox News faggots, omitting the crucial part. Guess what bitch? No lies of omission in Federal prison, it's all on display. Enjoy.

    17. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe that's the kind of thinking that put the US on top of the world (and formerly the UK) and Norway would be nothing but a bunch of idiot fishermen if they didn't have vast oil reserves. Even with their oil reserves, Norway's GDP is still smaller than Argentina. It's not as if Norway didn't try to extend their might, but by the middle ages they were an also-ran compared to the other developing nations in Europe.

    18. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American pedos fuck Chinese boys, they're more plentiful here. Then they are made into a traditional soup that brings good pedo luck. It's the UK that goes for Thais apparently. Ask Elon.

    19. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tibet has historically been part of China. America has historically not been part of Europe. So perhaps the Europeans should leave America first. Would also note SE Asian like Vietnam and the middle East like Iraq are not European so you should not be invading and annexing there either.

    20. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spirit of the law is used if there's ambiguity. If you're applying "spirit of the law" when the laws are quite clear, you're an idiot.

    21. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canada doesn't really count for a logical country though. They produced poutine and didn't give Justin Bieber's mom a post-birth abortion after he demonstrated how much potential he has to shit in the gene pool.

    22. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Hey, they were pretty smart to send Bieber away to the US.

    23. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Then they can stay out of the west until they can figure it out, or hire lawyers who do.

    24. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think when one country ignores all rules of IP its going to change the way the world works. Specially when that country is raping the benefits of that strategy.

      Letâ(TM)s be honest stealing IP has always been part of the game, corporate espionage has been around since the west India company... but if we allow one country to go all out in a free for all of corporate espionage, hacking and complete disregard for IP laws a new world order will be needed to protect western interests.

      Europeans have been ignoring this threat because China has been playing us against each other.... where do you think China is going to get their growth once they are done chewing on American companies.

    25. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In China the law is a little different, it's hard for them to understand Western law."

      Yeah, today you sign a peace treaty and tomorrow you renounce it. Accusations of wrong doings and acting on them without evidence. That's what Western law looks like now.

    26. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They finally got their revenge!

      If the US wants to get rid of Beiber, then they must agree to join the commonwealth and recognize the Queen!

    27. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America has been historically a part of various european countries most notably the united kingdom

    28. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "North was tried in 1988. He was indicted on 16 felony counts, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC.[29] However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU),[30] North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.[31]"

      So, yea, the ACLU saved North's ass from some fines and community service. Really, not being aware at the time, I can't say whether the sentence was just. Certainly, Oliver North was a pretty horribly shitty person no different than those that'd support ISIS, except in the whole being part of the government and being actually supported by others as part of a larger conspiracy in said government. Whether his part was enough to claim treason against him? It seems clear at the minimum he was a traitor.

      It's pretty funny though the spin, to claim the law was on his side. Nothing says "law on [your] side" like conspiring against the explicit will of Congress to aid the Contra let alone to do so by selling US weapons to Iran. The story is so absurd and the actual punishments were so light, the most amazing thing to me is not that it happened. It's that it doesn't just keep happening indefinitely since clearly the damage to those who participate is so light.

    29. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They absolutely understand it... this is just grandstanding.

    30. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good, try to remember that next time EU hands out large fines.

      The companies receiving those have gotten the warning first, but US companies are so used to ignoring warnings and paying insignificant fines as part of businesses that they think it is completely unfair when someone says "No, you have to follow the law or we'll fine you into bankruptcy."

      We don't want to punish you, we want you to follow the law so we don't have to.

    31. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by msauve · · Score: 1
      Chinese execs?

      ...Ren Zhengfei, founder and president of Huawei,...

      Please tell me that the CEO is named Stimpy.

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    32. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which laws? The US laws? They only apply to a CHINESE company when it does business in the US and only to those parts of the company actually present in the US.

      Disgusting. Trying to apply your laws to a company outside of your borders.

    33. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tibet has historically been part of China

      So because something used to be true, it must still be true? This is great to know. Historically I was in my mid 20s and was able to run a 5 minute mile. I must still be in my mid 20s and able to run a 5 minute mile.

      Oh wait, what was historically true doesn't matter today. It's called history, because it's something that happened, not because it's still happening.

    34. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've spent some time in Norway. It's a country run by Janteloven loving asshats that could learn a lot from countries that "follow the letter of the law". They prefer to use the "spirit of the law" arguments as excuses to keep the status quo and trample on individuality. What a f-ing utopia.

    35. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both are sad shitholes, but one isn't a secret.

    36. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huawei literally has an R&D budget that funds nothing other than industrial espionage. They haven't tried to hide this fact. That's what Chinese companies consider legitimate research and development: stealing IP from other companies.

    37. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please elaborate? As someone living in Scandinavia, the only parts I'd refer to as "shithole" is the cold and dark winters. The rest seems to work pretty well, and these countries regularly top the lists of e.g. happiest places in the world.

    38. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would be willing to venture that American business men (and women â" not to be discriminatory), make up a very small portion of the overall TAM for the services industry in Thailand. ;)

    39. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Communist China should unconditionally surrender to Taiwan.

    40. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      He's the orange guy's greatest trade weapon now

    41. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about horrible healthcare, rampant xenophobia, and excessive bureaucracy just to start. Also, since many people in Scandinavia think that's it's a perfect utopia and are absolutely blind to their problems means it will not get fixed anytime soon.

    42. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why Scandinavia loves that. When it's not convenient for them, they can use it to quash the influence of foreigners and keep the status quo: obey the super-white, bigoted oligarchy or else.

    43. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it wrong when indigenous populations would like to retain the culture in the land theyâ(TM)ve lived in for thousands of years?

      Oh, you lot only care about that when people arenâ(TM)t white.

    44. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by pezezin · · Score: 1

      Horrible healthcare? Dude, any country in the developed world has better healthcare than the USA.

    45. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite the opposite. By the way, have you had the opportunity to live in Norway? I have. Their healthcare is a farce. I had to come back to the US for proper treatment of a fracture.

    46. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by pezezin · · Score: 1

      https://www.who.int/healthinfo...

      Norway is in position 11, the USA is in position 37.

      And no, I haven't lived in Norway, but I have some friends who have lived there, and what they say is totally the opposite of what you say, and they work in the healthcare sector. Also, I have American friends who, after living for years in Europe, were afraid of going back to the USA and getting any serious illness.

  2. Chinese Government speaking through Huawei again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's a little obvious when they don't EVER address the charges of theft, theft, theft, spying, fraud, etc, and then make blustering statements for their illegitimate cabalist criminal government directly like this. Fuck China, fuck Huawei.

    Sink em.

  3. Stop punching yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only one who's doing the crushing, is yourself, through several bad practices

  4. Is this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this an episode of Sense8?

    1. Re:Is this... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I dunno. Is it incredibly awful and you're only watching it because it's an easy way to test if your display chain is properly handling Dolby Vision through Netflix / over the network?

  5. no no! wrong question! by guygo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When asked, Mr. Ren did not wish to discuss the communist party members they were forced to hire in order to monitor their compliance with the Chinese government's diktat that all software companies must be available to be part of state intelligence collection operations. Instead he ended the interview.

    1. Re:no no! wrong question! by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Here in the U.S. we don't have a ruling Communist Party. So we do the above things less openly.

    2. Re:no no! wrong question! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Strangely I don't see interviews with Cisco CEOs asking them about the level of cooperation with the NSA or what steps they took to stop their products being intercepted during shipping for installation of malware implants.

      That's why this kind of innuendo is unhelpful at best. What matters is what we can verify. Does Cisco allow customers to inspect code? How much does it invest in security hardening? Why do we keep seeing hard coded backdoors in their products, and why haven't they systematically gone through every line and removed them yet?

      Those are the questions that matter.

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    3. Re:no no! wrong question! by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      The stuff being done at Cisco was harmful, and illegal. It also seems to have been targeted individually.

      I think this is an important exception.

    4. Re:no no! wrong question! by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Strangely I don't see interviews with Cisco CEOs asking them about the level of cooperation with the NSA or what steps they took to stop their products being intercepted during shipping for installation of malware implants.

      What about much?

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  6. BBC story=intrusive video ads by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 2

    The link to the story reminded me why I stopped reading BBC News online. Too many video ads, and when you scroll down they keep interfering with the text I am trying to read. Too disruptive, I closed down the webpage quickly.

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    1. Re:BBC story=intrusive video ads by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      The link to the story reminded me why I stopped reading BBC News online. Too many video ads, and when you scroll down they keep interfering with the text I am trying to read. Too disruptive, I closed down the webpage quickly.

      Interesting. Have none of that. Incidentally my browser has uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger installed.

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    2. Re:BBC story=intrusive video ads by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Too many video ads,
      Have none of that. Incidentally my browser has uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger installed.

      Noscript and addblock for me.

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    3. Re: BBC story=intrusive video ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately no such blockers to get rid of ads in the podcasts. Which used to be ad free not so long ago. Used to listen to a bunch of them, but not anymore.

    4. Re:BBC story=intrusive video ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try using a UK VPN. We don't get any of that shit here, perhaps because we pay an annual fee for the BBC.

    5. Re:BBC story=intrusive video ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any non-UK IP addresses visiting the BBC get served with adverts.

    6. Re:BBC story=intrusive video ads by vyvepe · · Score: 1

      Get Adblock and uMatrix and you will not see any BBC adds.

    7. Re:BBC story=intrusive video ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, because that's secure

    8. Re:BBC story=intrusive video ads by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      yeah, because that's secure

      You're watching the fucking news, not trading nuclear weapons.

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  7. Long history of bad behaviour by seoras · · Score: 5, Funny

    I remember back when Huawei started, I was working at Cisco, and Cisco took them to court for stealing the code to IOS and shipping it running on their own routers (which I think were also hardware copies of cisco routers).
    Cisco won because Huawei hadn't bothered to fix the typos in the IOS text. The Huawei routers had identical text errors in "their" UI. They also had Cisco's IOS bugs too!

    1. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Ironic considering how Cisco started.

      Bosack and his wife Lerner founded Cisco when both of them were still employed at Stanford. Bosack continued working at Stanford with Cisco co-worker and co-founder Kirk Lougheed, where they developed the company's first router. However, it was an exact replica of Stanford's "Blue Box" router and ran an unlicensed copy of the university's multiple-protocol router software, which was adapted into the foundation of Cisco IOS.

      In 1986, Bosack and Lougheed were forced to resign from Stanford over the product's development, and the university considered filing criminal charges against Cisco over the theft of its intellectual property. However, Stanford eventually agreed to license its router software and two computer boards to Cisco in 1987.

    2. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No! All lies! No my previous Bosack and Lougheed!

      *sigh* What goes around, comes around.

    3. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah but.
      Yeah but.

    4. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A university researcher taking his research with him from a system which reasonable people consider abusive is a far cry from state-backed industrial espionage.

      There's so many Chinese trolls on these articles. We were so good at quashing the Russian trolls last election. Now we have to do it all over again.

    5. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but it's okay when 'mericans do it.

    6. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      [Huawei clones cisco HW and SW, complete with comment misspellings [also undocumented features and error messages].
      But Cisco was built on Stanford HW and SW designs (that they eventually licensed after being sued by Stanford.)]

      *sigh* What goes around, comes around.

      Reminds me of a couple others:

      The North American colonies built their initial tech (water-powered thread spinning mills, for instance) by hiring engineers from the Old World who designed and build mills and such, in violation of British patents (which were intended to keep the colonies as raw-material producers, dependent on the "mother country" for finished products).

      The movie studios that eventually dominated the industry were set up in California, to make it difficult for Edison to enforce his patents on his invention of motion pictures. (Similarly for the music industry and Edison's patents on sound recording.) Now we have MPAA & RIAA (which are themselves descendants of organized crime's jukebox extortion racket.)

      What goes around comes around.

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    7. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We were so good at quashing the Russian trolls last election"?

      ha... haha.. hahahaha...

    8. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Did you think we wouldn't check your links? The second one points out that Cisco didn't win, they dropped their legal action. Later it emerged that they had been complaining about some generic C header files that were likely part of the compiler suite anyway, not even Cisco code.

      This isn't the first time you have made this bogus claim either. So the question is, why do you keep doing it? Do you still have some loyalty to Cisco, or is someone paying you to do it, or is this a hacked account now controlled by some NSA staffer?

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    9. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by seoras · · Score: 1

      Cisco did win because there was an out of court settlement.

      "The completion of the lawsuit comes after a third party review of Huawei's products, and after Huawei discontinued the sale of products at issue in the suit. Huawei has agreed to change its command line interface, user manuals, help screens and portions of its source code to address Cisco's concerns. Cisco agreed to suspend its patent infringement lawsuit when the third party review got underway so the settlement of the lawsuit comes as no great surprise.

      I'd call that a win and a proof of guilt.

      I'm not American and I'm guessing neither are you....

    10. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd call that a win and a proof of guilt.

      You must have an agenda if you're supporting anything to the contrary. Shame on you for providing evidence.

  8. Huawei like many by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

    "businesses" in China are the government.Having any Chinese business in your infrastructure is what it is.
    If you do not mind the Chinese Government/Military having complete access your good.
    If the Chinese Government/Military having complete access is a problem you have some issues to deal with.

    Same applies to US, Russia, EU, the list goes on for each and every Country.

    just my 2 cents ;)

    1. Re:Huawei like many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      parsing error.

      get off my fucking lawn.

    2. Re:Huawei like many by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      To be fair, a given CEO may not know about and/or cannot control the meddling of a government(s) into their company for espionage purposes. They may try to focus on making good reliable products, but being a citizen usually carries other non-negotiable obligations.

    3. Re:Huawei like many by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

      Ah complete deniability you would think these individuals are US government employees, DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA or national security people I mean individuals with their misplaced integrity

  9. Re: KenDoll everyone knows you're a criminal apolo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Flynn is the worst of the worst, believe me

  10. "And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by michaelcole · · Score: 1

    What does this mean? "And if the North goes dark, there is still the South."

    1. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

      Maybe he's an avid fan of Game of Thrones.

    2. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      He's alluding to his willingness to let everyone outside of Hong Kong die en masse to prove a egotistical point about cellphone patents.

    3. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by michaelcole · · Score: 1

      Mmmm... That doesn't make sense. Anybody else?

    4. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I took it to mean, the Southern Hemisphere. In this context it probably mostly consists of South America and Africa.

      Australia and New Zealand of course geographically fall into the Southern Hemisphere. Australia has traditionally tended to go along with American policies; New Zealand has more history of independent foreign policy. This time though it's unclear what they will do. The Aussies have clearly branded themselves as being in the Asian hemisphere and they do a lot of business with China.

      TL;DR, no idea what Australia and New Zealand will do here. Anyone?

    5. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's pointing out that if/when the US self-destructs, South America will remain an interesting place where one can sell technology.

    6. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      It means they think we don't have subsurface interdiction of their tankers.

      Which we do.

      No supplies for China.

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    7. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by williamyf · · Score: 2

      Once you read the whole quote in TFS it makes sense.

      The West is North America (USoA, CAN) and Europe. the east is Asia (please bear in mind that Russia strands europe and Asia), and perhaps a tad of the Arabic countries.

      the north is again NA and EU, while the south is South America and Africa. Oceania (Oz, NZ) are another matter.

      disclaimer: Used to work for Huawei in my home country, the chinese smetimes have a poetic way to speak... Specially when threatening/threatened.

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    8. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      When North America destructs, and all the CMOS gates rupture in the process, the South Americans can make computers. Out of salvaged TTL gates.

    9. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      NZ initially declared that they would not use Huawei for 5G infrastructure build, then China started unsubtley threatening NZ industries (holding up goods at ports, denying landing to planes on their way to China) and the govt did a volte face.

      Lesson is: be more subtle about rejecting Chinese equipment for your critical infrastructure if you are a small trading nation.

    10. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In case you were unaware, USA isn't the world. USA is just a part of the Americas which include North America, South America and Canada.

    11. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TIL Canada is not part of North America
      Is that because of the magnetic pole displacement ?

    12. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canada is America's hat.

  11. Re: Chinese Government speaking through Huawei aga by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't steal ideas, they are not property.

  12. Righto. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like this punk hasn't heard of the Space Force. Grab your purity seals, it's time to deep strike for FREEDOM.

  13. Hardly surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given how egotistical and "business motivated" the leaders of America and Russia are, it was only due time before others like them also started talking big and lob piss-colored snowballs back their way. We're all reaping what we sowed.

  14. Re: Chinese Government speaking through Huawei aga by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously you're not smart enough to have anything worth stealing in that regard...

  15. Stop writing "US", it makes titles hard to read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's an acronym, so you have to write U.S. or U.S.A.
    "US" is the same word as "Us" or "us". We/Us/You/etc.

    1. Re:Stop writing "US", it makes titles hard to read by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Also, was it Paul Allen or the Woz who sponsored the US Festival? I can't remember.

  16. Re:He's right, you know. by budsetr · · Score: 1

    Well, why didn't they rule the world 2000 years ago when they were a 3000 year old monoculture and everyone in the West was barbarians?

  17. NAS and GCHQ vs the political world by AHuxley · · Score: 0

    The security services say no.
    The telcos like the low, low, low prices to construct their new 5G networks with flexibility.
    The political leadership has to opt to back their security services, their powerful telco brands?
    Who will win?
    NSA? MI5?
    The telcos who really need 5G ready soon?
    Go full Communism?
    Political trust in the understanding the NSA and GCHQ has of global networks and Communism?
    Can the FBI and MI5 work with their staff, contractors and informants walking around with 5G tech?
    Why the sudden lack of faith in the NSA and GCHQ?
    Do the CIA and MI6 have plans for 5G networks globally that they see as more important than domestic FBI and MI5 and GCHQ/NSA questions.
    Who is swaying the West political leadership to go full Communist?

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    1. Re:NAS and GCHQ vs the political world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^^ Who trusts this illiterate blathering faggot? Bueller?

  18. So naive by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    This is only the beginning.

    You messed with the wrong people, sunshine.

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    -- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
  19. RoTfLmAo @ CHINA! apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & why? You're COPYCATS & THIEVES known so WORLDWIDE & proof in MY case?? Easy: CHINA copied me (vs. DNS down/redirected) doing hosts files hardcoded favorite sites is how!

    Who did it 1st: China or me? I did - dates are my proof https://theregister.co.uk/2017... w/ the FACT China rampantly STEALS U.S. Intellectual properties & military secrets!

    * IMITATION truly IS the SINCEREST FORM of FLATTERY!!!

    (... & proves hosts work vs. DNS faults in tracking you via dns request logs (since you avoid it & resolve FASTER locally using hosts) + DNS being downed OR Kaminsky REDIRECT security flaw misdirected poisoned (or vs. DNSChanger))

    US DHS issues DNS redirect is HUGE danger (not w/ hosts vs.) https://threatpost.com/gov-war...

    APK

    P.S.=> Bottom-line - FACT: THIEVES, like YOU China have ALWAYS CRUSHED THEMSELVES inevitably... apk

    1. Re:RoTfLmAo @ CHINA! apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No you are rolling around on the floor laughing because you keep having strokes

    2. Re:RoTfLmAo @ CHINA! apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet you stalk him by unidentifiable anonymous not validly disproving his statements of fact.

  20. Re:He's right, you know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have enough gangs and rednecks in the US to shoot anybody who behaves like a "Mohammedan savage". The US might fall anyway for a number of reasons, but that is not a likely cause.

  21. Who cares what Ren said? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    The burning question is what did Stimpy think about it?

  22. Re: Chinese Government speaking through Huawei ag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The idea that ideas can be property is one the serves the capitalist ideology. There ownership is king. The thing is an idea is not property because that is something physical and an idea is not in sense. The very idea that ideas are property at it's end point leads to totalitarianism where ultimately the thoughts and contents of minds must be controlled to create this narrative that ideas are property.

  23. Challenge Accepted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Game On

  24. Burn 'em to the ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're a Chinese government-run covert cyberwarfare company clearly and objectively and they should all be put against the wall and shot.

  25. If the North goes dark by jennatalia · · Score: 0

    Then Kenshiro will just travel to the South to face Shin. Shin's Nanto Koshken is no use compared to Kenshiro's Hokuto Shinken.

  26. Re: He's right, you know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blacks and spics.

    You don't need moslem invaders.

  27. hypocrisy strikes again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Not our problem if you can't hack it without hacking others."

  28. Re:He's right, you know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a battle between two groups of savages, the Chinese will prevail.

    The actual lesson from history is more complex. The Chinese like to forget about how Genghis outsmarted them. Nice troll though.

  29. This is all wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because the US has a beef with Iran doesn't mean that other countries cannot trade with them in technology the US doesn't want them to have. US law STOPS at the borders of US territories. Full stop. A US law cannot be enforced in another sovereign country or territory. The US needs to seriously drop its hubris and meddling. Stuff like this and the Monroe Doctrine need to be retired. The US, along with Liberia, are also the only countries in the world that collect taxes from citizens who are working overseas from fully foreign firms. America is like Apple--they have done nothing of value in years. Were I a millionaire, I would have been gone years ago.

  30. Cue bomber with giant anvil! by Chas · · Score: 1

    "Hey Tim!"
    "Yeah?"
    "They said we couldn't crush them!"
    "I dunno! I've got the sights lined up perfect!"
    "Bombs away!"

    *DOPPLER WHISTLE*

    *SPLAT!*

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    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!
  31. Re:He's right, you know. by jbrown.za · · Score: 1

    The Han dynasty, which existed 2000 years ago was a golden period for China. They ruled over an area larger than the Roman empire. It just wasn't the part of the world we typically learn about in western history (and religion).

  32. Interesting article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Came across this a while ago. Enjoy: https://www.theguardian.com/wo...

  33. Re:He's right, you know. by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Exactly. When I lived in Korea ('85-94), my wife used to brag about their ~5000 year old culture. My response back then was that they were still a bunch of backward fucks. Which was true at the time since the economy there didn't really start to expand until after the '88 Olympics, and most everything produced there was simply a copy of something made elsewhere...trademark/patent infringement was common and nobody seemed to care. The interesting thing to me was watching the incomes skyrocket, and jobs move away to China and elsewhere. Similar to what had occurred in Japan. Now that we're seeing the Chinese wages increase, I wonder where the factories will move.

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    Just another day in Paradise