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The US Cannot Crush Us, Says Huawei Founder (bbc.com)

The founder of Huawei has said there is "no way the US can crush" the company, in an interview with the BBC. From the report: Ren Zhengfei, founder and president of Huawei, described the arrest of his daughter Meng Wanzhou, the company's chief financial officer, as politically motivated. The US is pursuing criminal charges against Huawei and Ms Meng, including money laundering, bank fraud and stealing trade secrets. Huawei denies any wrongdoing.

Mr Ren spoke to the BBC's Karishma Vaswani in his first international broadcast interview since Ms Meng was arrested -- and dismissed the pressure from the US. "There's no way the US can crush us," he said. "The world cannot leave us because we are more advanced. Even if they persuade more countries not to use us temporarily, we can always scale things down a bit." However, he acknowledged that the potential loss of custom could have a significant impact. [...] Mr Ren warned that "the world cannot leave us because we are more advanced". "If the lights go out in the West, the East will still shine. And if the North goes dark, there is still the South. America doesn't represent the world. America only represents a portion of the world."

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  1. Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just want you to follow the law.

    You can do business any way you like within those confines. Not our problem if you can't hack it without hacking others.

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    1. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In China the law is a little different, it's hard for them to understand Western law.

    2. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      An amazing statement; for a shop keeper. But then Huawei's business partner makes Putin look like a little lost school girl.

    3. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In China the law is a little different, it's hard for them to understand Western law.

      Canadian officials said something similar when China asked to have the accused Huawei executive handed back to China immediately.

      Canadian officials kept emphasizing their separation of powers requires that the courts finish their job, barring some national emergency. In the Chinese system, if the leader(s) say "do X" you do X, no questions asked. Business hierarchies there are similar, I hear, at least more so than the USA.

    4. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Xylantiel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, Chinese executives seem to just betray the fact that they don't understand the rule of law and how an actual functional justice system works. Instead of saying that they will prevail in court against the charges, they say things that seem to imply that the CFO should be let off for entirely political reasons. That may be the norm in China, but in non-authoritarian countries that isn't how it works.

    5. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by PPH · · Score: 1

      Show them a National Security Letter. I'm sure they'll feel right at home.

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    6. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you chose to use American banks, you're bound by American banking law. It's really that simple.

      "follow international law, which China seems to " ... that's rich. Like annexing Tibet and creating your own EEZ by covering some shoals with sand. No, China doesn't follow any international law unless they find it convenient. Your propaganda is fucking hilarious.

    7. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Well, the next step is to arrest a CFO of an American company during a vacation in (say) Haiti. For anti-government propaganda.

    8. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Elon Musk isn't a CFO.

    9. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Hey, they were pretty smart to send Bieber away to the US.

    10. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Then they can stay out of the west until they can figure it out, or hire lawyers who do.

    11. Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by msauve · · Score: 1
      Chinese execs?

      ...Ren Zhengfei, founder and president of Huawei,...

      Please tell me that the CEO is named Stimpy.

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    12. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      He's the orange guy's greatest trade weapon now

    13. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by pezezin · · Score: 1

      Horrible healthcare? Dude, any country in the developed world has better healthcare than the USA.

    14. Re: Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy by pezezin · · Score: 1

      https://www.who.int/healthinfo...

      Norway is in position 11, the USA is in position 37.

      And no, I haven't lived in Norway, but I have some friends who have lived there, and what they say is totally the opposite of what you say, and they work in the healthcare sector. Also, I have American friends who, after living for years in Europe, were afraid of going back to the USA and getting any serious illness.

  2. Chinese Government speaking through Huawei again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's a little obvious when they don't EVER address the charges of theft, theft, theft, spying, fraud, etc, and then make blustering statements for their illegitimate cabalist criminal government directly like this. Fuck China, fuck Huawei.

    Sink em.

  3. no no! wrong question! by guygo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When asked, Mr. Ren did not wish to discuss the communist party members they were forced to hire in order to monitor their compliance with the Chinese government's diktat that all software companies must be available to be part of state intelligence collection operations. Instead he ended the interview.

    1. Re:no no! wrong question! by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Here in the U.S. we don't have a ruling Communist Party. So we do the above things less openly.

    2. Re:no no! wrong question! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Strangely I don't see interviews with Cisco CEOs asking them about the level of cooperation with the NSA or what steps they took to stop their products being intercepted during shipping for installation of malware implants.

      That's why this kind of innuendo is unhelpful at best. What matters is what we can verify. Does Cisco allow customers to inspect code? How much does it invest in security hardening? Why do we keep seeing hard coded backdoors in their products, and why haven't they systematically gone through every line and removed them yet?

      Those are the questions that matter.

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    3. Re:no no! wrong question! by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      The stuff being done at Cisco was harmful, and illegal. It also seems to have been targeted individually.

      I think this is an important exception.

    4. Re:no no! wrong question! by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Strangely I don't see interviews with Cisco CEOs asking them about the level of cooperation with the NSA or what steps they took to stop their products being intercepted during shipping for installation of malware implants.

      What about much?

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  4. BBC story=intrusive video ads by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 2

    The link to the story reminded me why I stopped reading BBC News online. Too many video ads, and when you scroll down they keep interfering with the text I am trying to read. Too disruptive, I closed down the webpage quickly.

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    1. Re:BBC story=intrusive video ads by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      The link to the story reminded me why I stopped reading BBC News online. Too many video ads, and when you scroll down they keep interfering with the text I am trying to read. Too disruptive, I closed down the webpage quickly.

      Interesting. Have none of that. Incidentally my browser has uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger installed.

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    2. Re:BBC story=intrusive video ads by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Too many video ads,
      Have none of that. Incidentally my browser has uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger installed.

      Noscript and addblock for me.

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    3. Re:BBC story=intrusive video ads by vyvepe · · Score: 1

      Get Adblock and uMatrix and you will not see any BBC adds.

    4. Re:BBC story=intrusive video ads by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      yeah, because that's secure

      You're watching the fucking news, not trading nuclear weapons.

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  5. Long history of bad behaviour by seoras · · Score: 5, Funny

    I remember back when Huawei started, I was working at Cisco, and Cisco took them to court for stealing the code to IOS and shipping it running on their own routers (which I think were also hardware copies of cisco routers).
    Cisco won because Huawei hadn't bothered to fix the typos in the IOS text. The Huawei routers had identical text errors in "their" UI. They also had Cisco's IOS bugs too!

    1. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Ironic considering how Cisco started.

      Bosack and his wife Lerner founded Cisco when both of them were still employed at Stanford. Bosack continued working at Stanford with Cisco co-worker and co-founder Kirk Lougheed, where they developed the company's first router. However, it was an exact replica of Stanford's "Blue Box" router and ran an unlicensed copy of the university's multiple-protocol router software, which was adapted into the foundation of Cisco IOS.

      In 1986, Bosack and Lougheed were forced to resign from Stanford over the product's development, and the university considered filing criminal charges against Cisco over the theft of its intellectual property. However, Stanford eventually agreed to license its router software and two computer boards to Cisco in 1987.

    2. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah but.
      Yeah but.

    3. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      [Huawei clones cisco HW and SW, complete with comment misspellings [also undocumented features and error messages].
      But Cisco was built on Stanford HW and SW designs (that they eventually licensed after being sued by Stanford.)]

      *sigh* What goes around, comes around.

      Reminds me of a couple others:

      The North American colonies built their initial tech (water-powered thread spinning mills, for instance) by hiring engineers from the Old World who designed and build mills and such, in violation of British patents (which were intended to keep the colonies as raw-material producers, dependent on the "mother country" for finished products).

      The movie studios that eventually dominated the industry were set up in California, to make it difficult for Edison to enforce his patents on his invention of motion pictures. (Similarly for the music industry and Edison's patents on sound recording.) Now we have MPAA & RIAA (which are themselves descendants of organized crime's jukebox extortion racket.)

      What goes around comes around.

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    4. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Did you think we wouldn't check your links? The second one points out that Cisco didn't win, they dropped their legal action. Later it emerged that they had been complaining about some generic C header files that were likely part of the compiler suite anyway, not even Cisco code.

      This isn't the first time you have made this bogus claim either. So the question is, why do you keep doing it? Do you still have some loyalty to Cisco, or is someone paying you to do it, or is this a hacked account now controlled by some NSA staffer?

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    5. Re:Long history of bad behaviour by seoras · · Score: 1

      Cisco did win because there was an out of court settlement.

      "The completion of the lawsuit comes after a third party review of Huawei's products, and after Huawei discontinued the sale of products at issue in the suit. Huawei has agreed to change its command line interface, user manuals, help screens and portions of its source code to address Cisco's concerns. Cisco agreed to suspend its patent infringement lawsuit when the third party review got underway so the settlement of the lawsuit comes as no great surprise.

      I'd call that a win and a proof of guilt.

      I'm not American and I'm guessing neither are you....

  6. Huawei like many by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

    "businesses" in China are the government.Having any Chinese business in your infrastructure is what it is.
    If you do not mind the Chinese Government/Military having complete access your good.
    If the Chinese Government/Military having complete access is a problem you have some issues to deal with.

    Same applies to US, Russia, EU, the list goes on for each and every Country.

    just my 2 cents ;)

    1. Re:Huawei like many by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      To be fair, a given CEO may not know about and/or cannot control the meddling of a government(s) into their company for espionage purposes. They may try to focus on making good reliable products, but being a citizen usually carries other non-negotiable obligations.

    2. Re:Huawei like many by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

      Ah complete deniability you would think these individuals are US government employees, DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA or national security people I mean individuals with their misplaced integrity

  7. "And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by michaelcole · · Score: 1

    What does this mean? "And if the North goes dark, there is still the South."

    1. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

      Maybe he's an avid fan of Game of Thrones.

    2. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      He's alluding to his willingness to let everyone outside of Hong Kong die en masse to prove a egotistical point about cellphone patents.

    3. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by michaelcole · · Score: 1

      Mmmm... That doesn't make sense. Anybody else?

    4. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I took it to mean, the Southern Hemisphere. In this context it probably mostly consists of South America and Africa.

      Australia and New Zealand of course geographically fall into the Southern Hemisphere. Australia has traditionally tended to go along with American policies; New Zealand has more history of independent foreign policy. This time though it's unclear what they will do. The Aussies have clearly branded themselves as being in the Asian hemisphere and they do a lot of business with China.

      TL;DR, no idea what Australia and New Zealand will do here. Anyone?

    5. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      It means they think we don't have subsurface interdiction of their tankers.

      Which we do.

      No supplies for China.

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    6. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by williamyf · · Score: 2

      Once you read the whole quote in TFS it makes sense.

      The West is North America (USoA, CAN) and Europe. the east is Asia (please bear in mind that Russia strands europe and Asia), and perhaps a tad of the Arabic countries.

      the north is again NA and EU, while the south is South America and Africa. Oceania (Oz, NZ) are another matter.

      disclaimer: Used to work for Huawei in my home country, the chinese smetimes have a poetic way to speak... Specially when threatening/threatened.

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    7. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      When North America destructs, and all the CMOS gates rupture in the process, the South Americans can make computers. Out of salvaged TTL gates.

    8. Re:"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      NZ initially declared that they would not use Huawei for 5G infrastructure build, then China started unsubtley threatening NZ industries (holding up goods at ports, denying landing to planes on their way to China) and the govt did a volte face.

      Lesson is: be more subtle about rejecting Chinese equipment for your critical infrastructure if you are a small trading nation.

  8. Re:Is this... by sexconker · · Score: 1

    I dunno. Is it incredibly awful and you're only watching it because it's an easy way to test if your display chain is properly handling Dolby Vision through Netflix / over the network?

  9. Re:He's right, you know. by budsetr · · Score: 1

    Well, why didn't they rule the world 2000 years ago when they were a 3000 year old monoculture and everyone in the West was barbarians?

  10. So naive by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    This is only the beginning.

    You messed with the wrong people, sunshine.

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  11. Who cares what Ren said? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    The burning question is what did Stimpy think about it?

  12. Re:Stop writing "US", it makes titles hard to read by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

    Also, was it Paul Allen or the Woz who sponsored the US Festival? I can't remember.

  13. Cue bomber with giant anvil! by Chas · · Score: 1

    "Hey Tim!"
    "Yeah?"
    "They said we couldn't crush them!"
    "I dunno! I've got the sights lined up perfect!"
    "Bombs away!"

    *DOPPLER WHISTLE*

    *SPLAT!*

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  14. Re:He's right, you know. by jbrown.za · · Score: 1

    The Han dynasty, which existed 2000 years ago was a golden period for China. They ruled over an area larger than the Roman empire. It just wasn't the part of the world we typically learn about in western history (and religion).

  15. Re:He's right, you know. by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Exactly. When I lived in Korea ('85-94), my wife used to brag about their ~5000 year old culture. My response back then was that they were still a bunch of backward fucks. Which was true at the time since the economy there didn't really start to expand until after the '88 Olympics, and most everything produced there was simply a copy of something made elsewhere...trademark/patent infringement was common and nobody seemed to care. The interesting thing to me was watching the incomes skyrocket, and jobs move away to China and elsewhere. Similar to what had occurred in Japan. Now that we're seeing the Chinese wages increase, I wonder where the factories will move.

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