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Judge Says Washington State Cyberstalking Law Violates Free Speech (engadget.com)

A federal judge has blocked Washington State's 2004 cyberstalking law after ruling that a key provision violated First Amendment protections for free speech due to vague terms. "Its prohibitions against speech meant to 'harass, intimidate, torment or embarrass' weren't clearly defined, according to the judge, and effectively criminalized a 'large range' of language guarded under the Constitution," reports Engadget. "You could theoretically face legal action just by criticizing a public figure." From the report: The ruling came after a retired Air Force Major, Richard Rynearson III, sued to have the law overturned. He claimed that Kitsap County threatened to prosecute him under the cyberstalking law for criticizing an activist involved with a memorial to Japanese victims of U.S. internment camps during World War II. While Rynearson would use "invective, ridicule, and harsh language," the judge said, his language was neither threatening nor obscene.

Officials had contended that the law held up because it targeted conduct, not the speech itself. They also maintained that Rynearson hadn't shown evidence of a serious threat -- just that the prosecutor's office would see how Rynearson behaved and take action if necessary. A county court had already tossed out the activist's restraining order against Rynearson over free speech. It's not clear whether Washington will appeal the decision. If the ruling stays, though, it could force legislators to significantly narrow the scope if it wants a cyberstalking law to remain in place. This might also set a precedent that could affect legislation elsewhere in the country.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation praises the judge's decision, adding: "This is all valuable speech that is protected by the First Amendment, and no state law should be allowed to undermine these rights. We are pleased that the judge has agreed."

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  1. Intimidation is the Point by Kunedog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They want a law like in the UK where they can harass people guilty of wrongthink; just look at what's happened to Count Dankula and many others. Long live the Bill of Rights.

    1. Re:Intimidation is the Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The really sad thing with the Count Dankula thing was the judgment brought against him even said that they could only do it if they ignored context, so that's what they were going to do. The UK should be embarrassed by the state of their legal system.

      And please idiots, don't bring up any whataboutisms, it's possible that a country should be embarrassed by their legal system even if others are doing worse and should also be embarrassed.

    2. Re:Intimidation is the Point by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The UK could certainly do with some clear protections for freedom of speech

      Freedom of speech is and will always be a problem. Some folks find that disagreement is harassing them. Some folks find that negative response to something they say or write is infringing on their free speech.

      I've seen some pretty wild accusations over time, from people getting people kicked from AOL because of simple disagreement - just report them as spam - to whining about their free speech rights being trampled after making a threat against a public official.

      To my thinking, we have a choice. We either grow a bit thicker skins, or prepare for the internet of no commentary.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    3. Re:Intimidation is the Point by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Most of the problems with people being harassed by criticism are to do with monetization, which is not a free speech issue. They aren't being silenced, they are just not being paid to speak.

      I can't see any way to force people to pay for stuff they don't want, that isn't ridiculously evil. Do we really want a Sargon tax?

      Demonetization indeed. The concept isn't so much removing the ability to make money for radical and violent content, it is simply disagreeing with someone, and it is pretty simple to get them demonetized. Just like the new ability to cut someone off via posts on their comments line.

      As far as Sargon goes - it's just a good example of how unsustainable the YouTube model is. There is noting violent or radically abhorrent to his vids, unless the offended person is like I described, unable to withstand views that differ with their own. The problem of course, is that some of the perpetually offended are of the mind to weaponize their outrage, and will attempt to demonetize anything they find not in lockstep with their ideology.

      So of course, the "other side" gets in on the act. So then you have liberal channels like David Pacman being demonetized.

      Then of course, the ideologues get advertisers in the mix.

      The YouTube creator concept is fatally flawed in respect to making money, and I believe that once that it is smouldering ashes, the idealogues will start working on banning any subject matter they find not to their liking. Ideology never rests.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    4. Re:Intimidation is the Point by RedK · · Score: 2

      Just to give some context.

      The problem is you just literally made everything up out of thin air.

      That's not good context. That's you making shit up.

      Sargon never used the N word to refer to Black people. He was refering to White Ethno-nationalists. You know, the people you are now defending against mean ol' Carl Benjamin. How dare he offend actual racists right ? My god you're a trainwreck.

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      "Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
      Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
  2. Anyone else come here now just for the trolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does anyone else mainly come to /. now out of morbid curiosity to see whether or not the trolls have vandalized the comments?

    1. Re: Anyone else come here now just for the trolls? by Highdude702 · · Score: 2

      Glad I'm not the only crazy here.

  3. Harassment and Stalking suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    How is interacting with ones and zeros on a screen someone else a hundred miles away voluntarily posted stalking them in any meaningful sense? I guess directly sending threats back at them is bad but I don't think I'd use the word 'stalk' for that. Sounds like an oxymoron everybody just accepts to make something sound worse than it usually is like giant ant or honest lawyer.

    1. What you or I would use the word for doesn't matter a lot. They write a law which uses the word, so then that's what the word means, for legal purposes, within the jurisdiction. Kind of like how grenades and IED's are included in "weapons of mass destruction" under federal law, even though they're not. It doesn't make sense but isn't worth getting upset over 99.99999% of the time.

    2. It's pretty bad. Lots of people (MANY disfunctional people who form unhealthy bonds) harass and stalk like crazy from hundreds of miles away. Sometimes with spyware, but also crap like calling someone's boss or place of work repeatedly for decades whenever you find out where they work. Calling relatives. Calling friends. Emailing. Harassing on social media. Contacting friends about people through social media. While the in-person is more immediately terrifying, the remote is still not ok and can be terrifying depending on the behavior. This stuff causes more harm than almost anything you see discussed on the nightly news or in the press.

    1. Re:Harassment and Stalking suck by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is no question that the behavior you describe is what the Washington legislature was trying to address. But, as is typical of politicians, they tried to grab too much power for themselves. This is evidenced by the fact that Clarence Moriwaki was able to actually obtain a restraining order, and, worse, that investigators recommended that Rynearson be charged with cyberstalking! Because of a political disagreement. On Facebook.

      That's not a solution to the cyberstalking problem. It's a source of greater problems (censoring the speech of your political opponents). Because that's how the law was used in this case. If Rynearson had not initiated his lawsuit, the government would have continued to silence him. In fact, they are still threatening him in this case, the prosecutor's office saying they would wait to see how Rynearson behaved in the future (they're monitoring him).

      Pretty blatant overreach.

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      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
  4. I'm proud to be American by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is why I love my country. We can speak opinions that are offensive to others. We can hurt the feelings of people who don't agree with our opinions. On the flip side, we tolerate other people who hurt our feelings and who don't agree without our opinions. We can criticize our government. We may not always be able to hold our government accountable, but we can talk about what we don't like. We worship God the way that we want to worship God. We can choose not to worship God.

    We are free!

    1. Re:I'm proud to be American by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2, Informative

      We can speak opinions that are offensive to others. We can hurt the feelings of people who don't agree with our opinions. On the flip side, we tolerate other people who hurt our feelings and who don't agree without our opinions.

      That sure as hell isn't recognizable as a description of America today.

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      How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
  5. Because the Supreme Court said so by raymorris · · Score: 5, Informative

    The court in this case I bound by precedent of the US Supreme Court. SCOTUS ruled that the state can regulate and prohibit obscenity.

    One could argue that SCOTUS should reverse that ruling, but a local county court can't.

  6. Speech codes by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

    just that the prosecutor's office would see how Rynearson behaved and take action if necessary

    This reminds me of Patreon's excuses for their selective enforcement of policies and subjective policing of creators. They called it "Manifest Observable Behavior." (really) So, the MOB rules.

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    "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
    --- Jerry Garcia