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'Captain Marvel' Review Bombers Have Dropped Rotten Tomatoes Audience Rating To Lowest Among MCU Movies (comicbook.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: The fake Rotten Tomatoes review onslaught continues for Captain Marvel, giving the film the lowest-rating of all Marvel Cinematic Universe movies on the site nearly two weeks ahead of its release. As of this writing, Captain Marvel now has a 28% Audience Rating, a whopping 18 points below the next lowest MCU flick -- 2008's The Incredible Hulk. Starting earlier this week, a certain section of the internet -- for whatever reason -- decided to start filing fake negative reviews in an attempt to purposefully lower the film's Audience Rating.
Pushing identity politics agendas really just ends up alienating markets. There's so many great movies with female leads that did really well without ever having to push the "straight white male bad!" narrative that Larson tried, and then went into damage control mode after pressure from Disney.
Alien
Wonder Woman
Terminator
X Files
Hunger Games
Resident Evil
Rogue One
Mad Max: Fury Road
Avatar
Fifth Element
Annihilation
etc..
"a certain section of the internet -- for whatever reason -- decided to start filing fake negative reviews in an attempt to purposefully lower the film's Audience Rating."
I don't think it takes too much imagination to see why a 'certain section of the internet" is filing false negative reviews. Here's a hint, they're probably mostly male and don't want a Marvel movie with a female lead to threaten their fragile world view of what a lead can be.
These are "do you plan to see the movie" responses. Actual public movie reviews are only available AFTER the movie is released in theaters. Boring as hell movie trailers and sexist marketing hurt this movie. I imagine this movie will still do well but it will cast a shadow on future Marvel movies (similar to what Last Jedi did to the Solo movie). Someone at Disney needs fired for this mess.
https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/02/05/brie-larson-captain-marvel-is-my-form-of-activism
The movie was the biggest and best opportunity I could have ever asked for. It was, like, my superpower. This could be my form of activism: doing a film that can play all over the world and be in more places than I can be physically.”
Larson does get back to her idea of turning Captain Marvel into an opportunity to push her activism. “Inclusion has to be a choice; it’s not happening naturally. You really have to fight for it.”
I just wanna see an entertaining super-hero comic-book flick, not some preachy vehicle for Larson's "activism". Apparently many people feel the same. It's not all about you and your politics, Brie.
Perhaps, in our hyper sensitive, over victimized culture, people are tired of changes made solely in the name of "equality".
But the second comic book iteration of Captain Marvel was a different woman, Monica Rambeau. She first appeared in 1982 and held the Captain Marvel title 'til 1996, appearing again in other forms. (Source: http://comicbookdb.com/charact...)
I'm no fan of change for change's sake, but let's not pretend that the character has always been a white guy. I've got no reason to complain about Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel, and I'm looking forward to at least seeing the movie when it comes out, before I judge it too harshly.
This kind of outrage will help the movie, not hurt it.
Look at Nike. Did the ad with Colin Kaepernick, outrage, videos of people burning their trainers... And Nike's value increased by six billion dollars. The best part is that most people who boycott brands end up buying them again anyway.
What would have been a 24 hour news event at best turned into a days, even weeks long saga due to the outrage and the counter-outrage.
Now everyone is getting in on this new form of viral marketing, e.g. Gillette with their recent toxic masculinity ad. Marvel presumably didn't even plan this, and are now enjoying masses of free publicity and interest generated by the people who think they are sinking the movie.
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These are NOT reviews! STOP LYING!
Be quiet, you'll mess up the narrative. We're a victim, always a victim, somebody's out to get us.
Brie Larson: "I don't need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn't work about A Wrinkle in Time," said Larson. "It wasn't made for him."
So I guess your new flick wasn't made for me, either. I haven't logged anything with RT; I don't care WHAT they think. They're another site I completely ignore. (Earlier someone called me a Nazi for ignoring Huffington Post and Arianna -- I guess this makes me a DOUBLE Nazi. Cool, do I get an award I can hang in my garage next to my Confederate Flag? (That's sarcasm if you can't tell -- I don't have a garage.)
If the universe is someone's simulation -- does that mean the stars are just stuck pixels?
There's no background, just a link to the page. And as another poster pointed out it's not reviews, it's the "Want to See" rating.
/. links for one more ad impression. Shame on you /. editors.
It's possible somebody is using bots or just plain organizing a movement against the film for some reason or another (I can't imagine what, sure it's a female lead but so what? It's not like Supergirl gets this treatment or that the gender swapped Batman or something).
Without context this looks like more click bait meant to exploit the ongoing SJW debate on the Internet. It shouldn't have been greenlit. It's an obnoxious attempt to get more folks clicking
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Reviewers who get invited to early private screening are almost always overly positive. They want to keep being invited to those things to maintain their "status". Studios don't invite people who might be critical. Same thing happened with The Last Jedi.
Whiny loser incels on a rant about white mail privilege and how they feel their tiny penises are holding them back.
I'm afraid I have little tolerance or patience for the indignant straight white males who feel the world is stacked against them -- and I say this as a straight white male.
Deal with it, and stop blaming everyone else for your problems.
It is indeed unfortunate that white men are only represented in leading roles in Marvel films via Steve Rogers, Bruce Banner, Tony Stark, Peter Parker, Thor, Wade Wilson, Eddie Brock, Frank Castle, Stephen Strange, Peter Quill, and Scott Lang. Equality is nice and all, but the Marvel Cinematic Universe has only had fifteen movies starring white men, three with ensemble casts, one with a black man as lead, one with both a man and a woman in title roles, and zero with leading women. Isn't that enough? Shouldn't women be happy as supporting characters and, 5% of the time, secondary protagonists?
It's also terrible that the film writers chose to stick with the 2012 canon of Ms Marvel taking on the role of Captain Marvel, becoming the first -- sorry, the... fourth? female Captain Marvel, a role that had previously been exclusively reserved for men since the character's inception in 1967 -- whoops, the Monica Rambeau storyline from 1982 to 1993 -- sorry, the Phylla-Vell era Captain Marvel's end and replacement in 2007. This is unprecedented revisionism just for the sake of views. Male roles should remain male roles.
some juvenile Fedora wearing basement dwellers no doubt have a problem with female leads
Bad movie after bad movie has gone to this excuse, but it's largely bullshit. Yes, there's some tiny group like that. No, they don't matter. That's not why people didn't like the sad Ghostbusters reboot, That's not why people didn't like The Last Jedi.
A large subsection of the comic-book movie crowd are apparently intimidated by leading ladies.
A non-zero subsection, but there's no reason to believe it's "large", except as a worn-out excuse for a bad movie. No, moviegoers don't hate women. Comic books especially have always led entertainment when it comes to diversity, and comic book fans have never had a problem with that.
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Oh, but these are the interested people, the ones interested in posting a biased and sexist agenda.
Look at Nike. Did the ad with Colin Kaepernick, outrage, videos of people burning their trainers... And Nike's value increased by six billion dollars.
Nike knows their audience. Colin Kaepernick is popular with the sort of people who buy Nike. They market well to their niche.
That same message doesn't "play well in the suburbs". Boring mainstream culture is not a fan, and football overall has suffered diminished audiences. Gillette's ad was a mistake IMO, because it's the boring mainstream culture that buys most razors, but since people almost never switch household brands as an adult, they may be gambling that it will play well to teens and not hurt mainstream sales.
Same message, two different demographic groups, two different results.
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Sites like RT that allow user ratings are easily gamed and apparently there is nothing we can do about it. No-one has managed to filter this kind of thing, the best tools we have are manual intervention or disabling user ratings.
Sure there is, and you're doing it right now. You pretend that the honest expression of mass opinion is fake, because you disagree with it. No more cognitive dissonance to trouble your enclosed world view. Problem solved.
I'm sure Captain Marvel will do well at the box office
It will do well or poorly based on whether it's an entertaining film. Nothing more. It didn't need any special marketing, as everyone already knows what a Marvel movie is.
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That's the power of democracy. It's not rule by assholes who imagine they're smarter than everyone else. That's why it's the least bad system that's ever been tried.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Most of the people who have heard of Captain Marvel probably think "Shazam".
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A large subsection of the comic-book movie crowd are apparently intimidated by leading ladies.
The problem isn't leading ladies but plausibility. Women in general are not physiologically strong. An exceptional female is at the level of a merely above average male. Superman is supernaturally strong, but he also looks like he works out. The same is true of Captain America. Much is made visually of his musculature. Same with Black Panther. Each of these presents an image that strong men have bodies that appear to have enlarged muscles. There is a mental disconnect between the visual of a woman physically dominating men and the same happening in reality. The reality is that in a fight with Natasha Romanov a tank would take her first punch on his raised forearms, grapple her to the ground and beat the $#%^ out of her. I think this is a large part of the appeal of a hero like Katniss Everdeen. She is smart, focused and skilled in the use of weapons. This is a believable female hero.
The SJW culture is trying to tell us that men and women are equal and Hollywood is trying to confirm through film. Our brains are telling us "Something just isn't right here..."
It appears as if this movie is being specifically targeted with down votes.
It's almost as if Brie Larson made an OOPSIE and people are reacting to it... and then being labeled "trolls" for daring having an opinion that's different than the accepted narrative...
https://movieweb.com/captain-marvel-brie-larson-inclusion-controversy/
Where have we seen that before uh ... ? This is typical 2016+ damage control. Says something dumb. Get called out. Walk it back but at the same time paint anyone you displeased as "Russian" or "Troll" or "Gamergater" or any other pejorative term you can think of to make it seem like all the backlash was illegitimate.
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Feminists have a fucked up idea of what "strong" is. Asshole is asshole. We don't like male assholes either.
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This is a crock of shit. Ask any comic book moviegoer if they hate Aliens because the lead character is a woman. Or whether they hate The Bride from Kill Bill. And I'd wager almost any comic book moviegoer who has watched Room has a positive impression of Brie Larson's amazing performance in that movie.
If the movie and character are compelling, no one cares if the lead is a female.
What people don't like is having identity politics being shoved down their throats in the absence of content (i.e., making the lead characters of Ghostbusters female, making that premise the entire draw of the movie, and trying to capitalize on the outrage supposedly created by male chauvinists).
40k+ for a Marvel movie, compared to four movies I've never heard of? That looks like some seriously cherry-picked data manufactured for outrage.
Avengers Endgame has over 10k with a 98% "want to see" score, and that doesn't even come out for 2 months. The last Avengers movie has 52k.
No, moviegoers don't hate women. Comic books especially have always led entertainment when it comes to diversity, and comic book fans have never had a problem with that.
To amplify the point, no one had a problem with Ripley gunning down Aliens - it was an awesome movie and perhaps one of the best SF movies of all time.
No one has a problem with Black Widow tricking Loki into revealing his plans, or largely holding her own against the Winter Soldier. I saw both of those and was impressed at how female characters in Marvel movies are *not* useless. Including Maria Hill gunning down the attacker on the helicarrier bridge. (Also of note: no one cares that Nick Fury is played by a black man, it's extremely well done.)
There's an interesting article(*) on Breitbart that sums up the current situation: a) Hollywood engages in hatred towards half the country, and b) this wouldn't be a problem if the movies were any good. As it turns out they're not any good, and this is just us hating you back.
From the article:
Yes, we’ve been insulted, and we’re sick of it. But I can overlook a lot of insults if you give me something worthy of praise. Maria Callas insulted a lot of people, but we still wanted to hear her sing. Can we say the same about the films nominated for Best Picture?
A specific instance cited in the article is Spike Lee's "BlackkKlansman" (nominated best picture this round) compared to "Giant" (1957). Spike Lee's movie casts whites as evil while doling out liberal doses of shame and humiliation, while at the end of "Giant" the audience is visibly rooting for Rock Hudson fighting with a racist diner owner.
Same message, good (versus bad) delivery.
Maybe this is why movie attendance is low, and oscars attendance is really low: the movies are crap, we're sick of the insults, and we don't like being brow-beaten with your social justice message.
(*) Yes, it's from Breitbart, get over it. It's an insightful article that largely describes the problem, and attacking the source is not the same as discussing the content.
sound like a misogynist
What is the misogyny? Are you saying that women in general are physiologically as strong or stronger as men? This is the problem with pushing so hard on ideology that you disregard reality.
Sure, it may be about a comic book superhero but stating a simple fact is not misogyny. You could have said that fact is irrelevant to the movie because of Comic Book superhero and therefore human physiology doesn't matter. Would have been great. I would have agreed. No issue.
But no, you had to go with "facts are misogyny" because some reason in this day and age it's sexist to state a simple physiological verifiable fact about humans. There is a reason why trans women in sports is an issue now. Because idiots like you think ideology trumps reality. Fallon Fox gives her opponents a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head in the 1st round because of the benefits of growing up male. We had sex segregated sports for a reason.
Women are, in general, not as physiologically strong as men. That is irrelevant to a movie about a comic book superhero but that is still a fact.
^ This. And this isn't being called out nearly enough. Brie Larson specifically called out white men; she doesn't want to hear from them. She specifically mentioned reviewers, but people are taking it to mean "I want to see less white men (in regards to my movie)". Why would I give money towards someone as blatantly sexist and racist as she is?
But it's funny. All the people in this thread moaning about incels and such, if Larson made comments like these about any other group, they'd be furious. No, it's hip and socially acceptable to demean white men today, and this is just another example of that narrative. And when this racism and sexism is called out, it usually just leads to doubling down ("can't be racist against white people", etc.).
I can't say that's the sole reason that the "want to see" score is so low. I would mostly attribute it to that. I'm sure there are a few incels. But there have been lots of leading women in sci-fi/fantasy movies (see all the examples that have been posted in this thread), so that seems unlikely.
So, again, it's not about a woman in a leading role. It's about racist and sexist comments made by Brie Larson.
of how impressive the majority of the Marvel movies have been.
I am not a comic nerd, but I knew who Iron Man was. To be honest, I wasn't all that interested in seeing it when it came out, I caught it on DVD (Netflix). Needless to say, I was pretty blown away by how much I liked it. Then along comes Guardians of the Galaxy. I thought it was the beginning of the end of the Marvel movies when I saw the trailer for it. I thought they had scraped the bottom of the barrel. I didn't even see it until the 2nd movie came out on DVD, and because the reviews were good, we watched them both. Again - very surprised at how much I like them. Same with the Deadpool movies, and with Punisher on Netflix. Marvel keeps surprising me with how good they can make these movies/shows, with just the right amount of action and humor. Maybe it's because I don't really know anything about those characters is what makes it good for me, there is nothing for them to spoil.
I'll watch Captain Marvel when it comes out on DVD regardless of reviews.
I watched Aquaman with my wife because of Jason Momoa, so we're watching Captain Marvel because of Brie Larson. It's called compromising.
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The movie is shit, people said they aren't interested.
Nobody has seen the movie... how do you know it's shit?
Why must everything have an agenda with you newfags?
I don't know what a "newfag" is, but *I* don't think everything has an agenda. *This* has an agenda, it's quite obvious. Nobody goes to RT and downvotes every movie they don't want to see. They only go to RT to downvote a movie when they have an agenda.
Ah, the comment we were all waiting for, the one that proves that the original story really does have a point, and negates everyone's comments about it just being that people aren't that bothered.
You can even visualise the frothing at the mouth over the gall that a woman could attempt to play a superhero...
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