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Thirty-Million-Page Backup of Humanity Headed To Moon Aboard Israeli Lander (cnet.com)
Last week, a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket carried an Israeli-made spacecraft named Beresheet beyond the grasp of Earth's gravity and sent it on its way to the surface of the moon. On board Beresheet is a specially designed disc encoded with a 30-million-page archive of human civilization built to last billions of years into the future. From a report: The backup for humanity has been dubbed "The Lunar Library" by its creator, the Arch Mission Foundation (AMF). "The idea is to place enough backups in enough places around the solar system, on an ongoing basis, that our precious knowledge and biological heritage can never be lost," the nonprofit's co-founder Nova Spivack told CNET via email.
The disc aboard Beresheet is about the size and thickness of a DVD, but consists of 25 stacked thin nickel films that AMF insists can resist radiation, extreme temperatures and other harsh conditions found in space for billions of years. There is, of course, no way to test how long it will last, but if it survives as long as hoped, the disc may even be around longer than the moon itself. The top four layers are actually filled with 60,000 pages of tiny analog images that can be viewed with optical microscope technology that's been around for centuries. The images include a sort of users' guide explaining human language, the contents of the disc and how to access the deeper layers containing compressed digital data.
The disc aboard Beresheet is about the size and thickness of a DVD, but consists of 25 stacked thin nickel films that AMF insists can resist radiation, extreme temperatures and other harsh conditions found in space for billions of years. There is, of course, no way to test how long it will last, but if it survives as long as hoped, the disc may even be around longer than the moon itself. The top four layers are actually filled with 60,000 pages of tiny analog images that can be viewed with optical microscope technology that's been around for centuries. The images include a sort of users' guide explaining human language, the contents of the disc and how to access the deeper layers containing compressed digital data.
It could be like finding cave paintings I suppose... more of a cultural artifact than a practical one.
And one page of goatse
from what I understand, this is a private project with no relation with the state of Israel
"There is, of course, no way to test how long it will last, but if it survives as long as hoped, the disc may even be around longer than the moon itself."
Idiocracy is here. No one even questions that statement.
Changes are that anyone capable of locating, retrieving and accessing that data, does not need a backup of that data.
I'm shocked! Ratzo defends child molesters?!?!
Which crimes are those?
So off-planetary backups will be a thing now?
It's beyond hypothetical, so why would you need to "question" it as if a testable statement? We don't know the moon will survive past next week. The disc will last a long time, that was the point of the exaggerated nothing-statement.
IF it survives as long AS HOPED, the disc MAY even be around longer than the moon itself. Logically it's valid. It could happen. Is it stupid to say out loud? Yes.
"a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket carried an Israeli-made spacecraft named Beresheet beyond the grasp of Earth's gravity...
If the moon were beyond the grasp of earth's gravity, it wouldn't be the moon.
Never let a lack of data get in the way of a good rant.
Poop Ratzo, the anti-Semitic troll and bigoted Christian apologist, reiterates, again, how much he hates Israel and the jewish people.
Anything else new on /. the last 20 years?
There's a blank page at the end.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
That's going to make a great story plot for the movie made by the alien archeologists who will find the disc.
#DeleteFacebook
And bondage, domination and sadism are the solutions?
Ezekiel 23:20
Nothing like an anti-Semite implicitly supporting genocide.
Or do you really think the logical result of the "Israel has no right to exist" assertion these twits support is anything other than genocide?
Let's go right to the Palestinians themselves:
Mother Of Palestinian Knife Attacker In Praise Of Son: He Was A Butcher, Knew How To Slaughter
That's an actual Palestinian TV interview from Hamas with the mother of what civilized people call a terrorist.
Yep, that's what you brain-dead fools support.
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You can't assume the people involved in this project are racial supremacists just because of the current government in their country. This project is really cool, and shows what's possible now with a limited budget.
from what I understand, this is a private project with no relation with the state of Israel
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PopeRatzo just demonstrated he's an anti-Semitic jackass.
Trump is a Nazi but the Left hates the Jews. The irony never ceases to amaze.
Where truth and facts can't correct their record... that's the shelter they seek. Their lies are preserved from the corrections of the factual record.
'And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'
This might be taking the need to air gap your backup disks a bit too far. On the other hand, I wonder how long it will be before the disks are hacked and 30 million pages of data found lying around on the moon are exposed?
enough backups in enough places around the solar system, on an ongoing basis, that our precious knowledge and biological heritage can never be lost
So if civilisation does crash, the sum total of human knowledge won't be lost. We will know where it is: on the Moon. But until we regain that knowledge we will not be able to get back to the Moon to read it.
And by that time, it will be rather irrelevant as we will have already rediscovered it!
politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
Of course not, because Israel hasn't committed any.
I hope it doesn't contain a Koran, though, or any references to the hateful political system known as Islam, because those are not representative of humanity-like behavior.
Fascism. Communism. Socialism. Islamism. All discredited political systems ready to join the dung heap of history.
"B’resheet" means "In the beginning". It is the Hebrew name for what many know as the book of Genesis, being the first few words from it.
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I wonder if any of those pages will contain information about the crimes the state of Israel has perpetrated against all of humanity.
ftfy
What about the 30-billion page porn archive?
PopeCrapso can't hep it... he was born with a silver hoof up his ass
Well, one may assume the aliens know how to view that disc, and that they have a microscope. But what if that's not the case? Don't they want something to play it, make sounds, be self-powered etc. on contact?
...we just fly to the moon to learn how to reboot?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Trump is a nazi, the "left" can't stand the disgusting terrorist IRGUN/LIKUD Israeli government under also-criminal Bilbo Nyuttyahoo. Most jews vote Democratic because they see the Republicans for what they are - Nazi cowards.
It contains all of the relevant information, on exactly 0.00 pages. Now if it were to contain the crimes committed by the Palestinian leadership vs Israel and the Palestinian citizens, it would be a few additional discs...
I'm not, I'm saying as a nation they have a history of trying to rewrite history, like most. The Israeli govt treatment of Palestine is ongoing. That they're doing moon shot vanity dumps before trying to credibly fix that is of issue.
It's not entirely unreasonable to question the geopolitical environment from which such a "history preserving" endeavor spawns from. If it were America, China or Russia, similar questions would be raised.
Of course, in the case of the Voyager craft with its gold record and broadcast music stuff, that actually was headed out of the solar system - and it was the 1960's-70's when we had ideas about it being actually discovered.
Nobody has any reason to think a lunar kitsch dump will ever be discovered by anyone.
Of course Divesting and Boycotting in protest IS A RIGHT.
And so to is buying from a company (or country) because you agree with them.
Your BDS is failing miserably. In a couple years China will be a bigger trading partner with Israel than Europe. Not too long after that the rest of Asia (especially India, Sourth Korea and Japan) will also be a larger than the European market.
Whatever you think of Israel the Palestinians keep shooting themselves in the foot. And BDS isn't going to help them.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
If the world plunged into a Zombie apocalypse and 80% had their brain eaten, what flipping good is a library on the moon gonna do????
Assuming that we're no longer around, it's a fairly safe bet that any civilization capable of recovering the discs will be able to extract the information. It's hard to imagine aliens capable of traveling across the galaxy that are confounded by primitive data. Fully comprehending the information may be another matter, but I imagine they'll be able to puzzle out accessing it. We do live in the same physical universe, so it's not a stretch to imagine that they would have developed and used (or still use) similar technology themselves.
"Of course Divesting and Boycotting in protest IS A RIGHT." OF COURSE? Then why is Israel's govt through AIPAC pressuring countries around the world to pass laws against it?
Why spend millions and go out of their way to stifle that "right" if they have nothing to fear from it, as you claim? And why would you defend that?
middleeastmonitor.com/20180802-uk-controversial-anti-bds-motion-sent-for-legal-review/
This post was drafted in 2016; last updated 2/20/2019.
1. 26 states have already enacted legislation that targets boycotts for Palestinian rights.
Anti-boycott laws have been enacted in the following states: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky* Louisiana*, Maryland*, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New York*, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, and Wisconsin*.
*The governors of Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, New York and Wisconsin signed anti-boycott executive orders.
Visit www.righttoboycott.org for an overview of anti-boycott legislation.
2. Activists have successfully defeated anti-boycott legislation in several states.
For example, in 2018, activists in Missouri defeated an anti-boycott bill. Anti-boycott bills in Washington State and Montana failed to advance in 2017.
In 2016, activists defeated anti-boycott bills in Maryland, Virginia, and Massachusetts. A Maryland coalition defeated the same bill again in 2017, after which the Maryland governor issued an anti-boycott executive order. In New York, activists successfully stopped two anti-boycott bills from passing the legislature before Governor Cuomo signed an anti-boycott executive order.
At the federal level, pressure from civil liberties groups and concerned citizens succeeded in preventing Congress from passing the Israel Anti-Boycott Act (IABA) in 2018.
3. Other states and the federal government are still considering anti-boycott bills.
Anti-boycott bills are pending in some states, including Missouri and Mississippi, along with amendments to existing anti-boycott laws in Arizona and Texas, in response to litigation challenging those laws.
Go to https://palestinelegal.org/federal for information about anti-boycott legislation pending in Congress.
4. Even some county legislatures have waded into the debate.
Some counties have also considered anti-boycott measures. For example, Rockland and Nassau Counties in New York passed anti-boycott ordinances or resolutions. A proposal in New Castle County, DE, failed to pass.
5. Keep in mind, none of the anti-boycott bills and laws take away your right to boycott for Palestinian rights or to advocate for such boycotts.
Instead, these initiatives rely on one, two, or three of the following components:
Blacklists. Some of the anti-boycott bills/laws require the creation of blacklists of activists, non-profit organizations, and/or companies that are engaged in boycotts of Israel (including, in some cases, “territories controlled by Israel”). It's 21st century McCarthyism.
Interestingly, putting together a list of boycott supporters isn’t as straight-forward as some lawmakers expect, as Illinois discovered. The lack of procedural clarity on who is subject to such singling out and punishment for their political views is one of the big legal issues with these laws. But even addressing the procedural flaws would not overcome the underlying First Amendment concerns raised by these blacklists.
Prohibition on government contracts. Some of the anti-boycott bills/laws aim to punish individuals, non-profit organizations, and/or companies that support boycotts for Palestinian rights by prohibiting the state or local government from entering into contracts with them. So, for example, under some anti-boycott laws, the United Church of Christ or the Presbyterian Church (USA) could be prohibited from contracting with the state to run social services like soup kitche
So was the Cave of the Patriarchs Massacre.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
You are welcome on my lawn.
Take your pick:
https://www.independent.co.uk/...
You are welcome on my lawn.
The disc is a format type including material, not just a single object. The discs, plural, as a readable data format may outlast the moon. Dither as you need to be upset about this, but it changes nothing about the hypothetical.
Someone's gotta be there to tell them to turn it off and turn it back on again.
someday millions of years from now some ETs will discover a disk with a bunch of old testament style begats of a bunch of dumb humans that went extinct because they could not keep their environment clean and stable
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
Oh wait, that's the Palestinians who are deliberately targeting civilians. But that's good, because Israel is bad, because anti-Semitism is good when you realize that jews are white and therefore privileged and evil.
I kicked in $20 to the project when I first heard about it. It was competing for the Google Lunar X Prize. The project doesn't have state backing, but several state owned enterprises have made in-kind and other sorts of donations, especially expertise, particularly Israel Aerospace Industries. The original cost of the project ballooned to $100 million, which shows that even a bare-boned project like this is exorbitantly expensive. To my knowledge *none* of the other X-Prize teams made it this far.
I hope they make it. I was reading that the other times have told the SpaceIL team they are rooting for it. If they pull off a successful landing it creates the private lunar transport industry. If it fails, the industry may die in the womb.
thats religion for you, the religious nuts are turning the world in to hell while dreaming of a heaven that does not exist.
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
I was going to say something about the USS Liberty attack, but then, that never actually happened and if it did was just a 12 hour accident complete with 10+ coverups. Normal freedom stuff.
The crime of being the only real democracy in that part of the world. The crime of treating women and homosexuals as equals. The crime of allowing Christians, Jews, and Muslims to happily coexist without persecutions of one or more of them. Those are all horrible things, according to some.
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
Defending your country against Islam isn't a crime.
It's survival, and humankind's necessity.
The crime of allowing Christians, Jews, and Muslims to happily coexist without persecutions of one or more of them.
...unless they were born next door. In which case, take their property, build a wall to keep them out, bulldoze their greenhouses, and build settlements on their land which are internationally understood to be illegal.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
It's not ideal, but ironically, it's less likely to be turned into a smoking crater than the place it came from.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Well, when these neighbors keep launching explosive rockets, hoping to kill as many civilians as possible, that changes the picture a bit. Do you know HOW they got control of those lands? Hint: their neighbors wanted to wipe them out.
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
OMG -- it'll last for BILLIONS and BILLIONS of years! That's wonderful! But will the guys supporting RAR / WinZIP / ARC / ?Q? also be around that long? It'd be awful to have an ARC file but on a Mac with no way to decode it. (They could at least handle a LBR file.) Easy Alien Computer Hacking.
Then again, they'd better watch out after decompression -- the RIAA and MPAA will be after them as well, since the copyright duration extensions will still be active.
If the universe is someone's simulation -- does that mean the stars are just stuck pixels?
One needs to be on Mars, with another sunk deep into the seas of Triton. And if we ever locate Planet Nine, a third copy could go there.
Of course it'd be best if each came with some mechanism to protect the archives...
#DeleteChrome
... for 5.25" floppy disks in December 1985, conveying the slogan: "Professionals avoid all risks. Scotch 3M disks are safe."
In the background of the slogan, the full page was filled with an image of the starting Challenger space shuttle.
PopeRatzo just demonstrated he's an anti-Semitic jackass.
He was not dissing jews. He was dissing Israel. But people like you respond to criticism of Israel with the charge of anti-semitism, because it sparks more outrage.
IMHO the government of Israel -- in fact any country's government -- is fair game for rational criticism of its policies and actions. Such criticism is not a hostility towards race, ethnicity, or religion, even if some try to imagine it to be so.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Well, when these neighbors keep launching explosive rockets, hoping to kill as many civilians as possible, that changes the picture a bit.
You know what changes the picture a bit? Expansionism. In fact, it changed the borders.
Do you know HOW they got control of those lands? Hint: their neighbors wanted to wipe them out.
Wait, are you talking about the Israelis, or the Palestinians? Because you could equally use that description in any direction.
I think that this sums up the situation better than anything else. But you could equally well have asked TE Lawrence.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Thirty million pages doesn't seem like much, really. The linux kernel source code is now over 25 million lines, which would be roughly 500,000 pages. So 20% of the entire knowledge of humanity is encompassed by the Linux kernel?
I don't think so. Thirty million pages is at best an exemplar of current knowledge, but nowhere near anything worthy of being called a "backup".
If you're a zombie and you know it, bite your friend!
You seem to lack knowledge of history. Not long after Israel was created, there were armies massing on their borders ready to invade, and wipe them out.
If Canada had amassed thousands of tanks, and tens of thousands of armed troops right at the Canada/US border, getting ready to invade, wouldn't that make you a little nervous? If a war started, would be be wrong to grab a little of Canada as a "buffer zone" to help prevent a future invasion?
Yes, you are partially right. I agree that Israel should not really expand into those lands. But as to the rest of it, if Palestinians routinely try to kill Jews, should the Jews just let them?
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
No one else read Isaac Asimov? I'm ashamed of y'all. First foundation!
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
Who's actuarially counting the costs...lololol
You seem to lack knowledge of history. Not long after Israel was created, there were armies massing on their borders ready to invade, and wipe them out.
If you want to talk history, let's go back a bit further. The Jews got kicked out of that area, and then were reinstalled by force. How do you expect the neighbors to have felt about that?
Yes, you are partially right. I agree that Israel should not really expand into those lands. But as to the rest of it, if Palestinians routinely try to kill Jews, should the Jews just let them?
Would they try so much without the 1967 expansion?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
It's like an Ogre?
It has layers...?
If an external party created a Native American state in the middle of manhattan, displacing New Yorkers, I'd expect that they'd be massing armies to take back "their" land as well. The historic persecution and rightfulness of the land ownership wouldn't change that.
I'm not involved in Israel/Palestine and don't have much of an opinion on what's right, only that the situation seemed inevitable.
Canada actually *did* amass an army at the US border once. In response, the US pre-emptively declared war and invaded. This resulted in the War of 1812. It's mostly forgotten now because the peace agreement which ended it included both sides ceding all captured territory, so very little was actually changed.
Defending your country against Israeli occupation isn't a crime. It's survival, and the region's necessity. captcha : struggle
I think we need to address both the Indian BIA land management / situation and use that to carrot-or-stick the right wing government in Israel to similarly improve and address its detente / insurgency situation as a military occupier.
I think those are very related issues that would make the world a safer place to deal with and ease unnecessary suffering at minimal cost, and to great benefit.
I'm not trivializing the issue or expecting rainbow butterflies, but putting an idiot like Kushner in charge is beyond hilarious satire of itself, it's truly unreal.
I'll give Russia this - bravo, you have changed history. You have given us a traitor insurgency of our own. The Republican sellouts are yours, take them.
If we loose all that, we are likely to perish all together. So probably that's a record for another species to discover.
4wdloop
We accidentally sent a blank master to the factory, do you think we're too late?
The disk is simply nano-patterned nickel inside a quartz layer. Analog recording. Viewable by any optical microscope or loupe.
There's no Israeli occupation.
It's the Palestinians who don't belong there.
I'm sure if they feel so put upon, there are plenty of Islam-infected countries that would take them.
Palestinians, stop whining. Just leave.
I wonder if any of those pages will contain information about the crimes the state of Israel has perpetrated against Palestinians.
No, hopefully it's only full of real history.
A black rectangular monolith with sides having dimensions with the ratios 1:4:9.
And by "their" greenhouses, you of course mean the ones the Israelis built and gifted to the palestinians?, The same ones that the palestinians then destroyed while rioting that they haven't yet been able to liquidate all jews. Yeah. Those greenhouses.
At least it will be easier to retrieve than the backups on my ZIP drive.
Recycle PCs and build a wireless community network www.hillsborough.org.nz
And bondage, domination and sadism are the solutions?
You say that like its a bad thing.... ;)
Warms my heart to see the anti-Semites spreading islamist propaganda modded-up on Slashdot.
No, wait. It makes me violently ill.
Pop some EMP's, kill off most of the population that will freak out if the grid goes down, their phones/computers stop working, they can't drive to Starbucks. Then once things die down, someone goes and gets the backup and we hit the reboot button LOL.
Does it include the truth about WW2? Or just the Jewish version?
“Last week, a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket carried an Israeli-made spacecraft named Beresheet beyond the grasp of Earth's gravity”
That's a novel way of describing orbital mechanics. Neither the spacecraft or the moon is “beyond the grasp of earth's gravity”, what they are is in orbit.
This is not true. "Thirty-Million-Page Backup ..." There are no 'pages'. With radiation and temperatures that will destroy the media long before any life will be able to FIND it let alone understand it, this is nothing but propaganda as those who can't do anything of value find new ways to scream, "look at me, I'm smart!".
I'm surprised that the Democrats didn't propose this first. Oh wait, they might have sent the idea.
Hostility to Israel is commonly used by Nazis and other anti-Semites to disguise their ugly bigotry.
I'm not sure they're that good at disguising their bigotry, but okay.
You may not be anti-Semitic. But you're OK with being on the same side as anti-Semites. No platform.
I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.
I daresay that racists didn't vote for Obama. But that doesn't mean that voting for Obama's opponent means you're "OK with being on the same side" as racists. You may have disagreed with Obama's policies in good faith, and voted for someone else. That's not why racists didn't vote for him.
And for the record, you are correct that I am not anti-Semitic. Quite the contrary. I grew up worshipping a jew. And I am in a long-term relationship with one.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
>> Not long after Israel was created
Peacefully? Or by waging and winning wars against the existing inhabitants?
"I don't hate Jews, just the state of Israel" is the way nearly all Jew haters have tried to camoflage their virulent racism.
Israel is the only place on Earth where Jews are truly safe. Even in the USA, where the Democrats are now embracing Islamic immigrants, the party has decided that demographics mean more Muslim voters in the future than Jewish voters, so the Jews are gtradually being tossed under the [political] bus.
If you want to HONESTLY criticise the GOVERNMENT of Israel, have at it. But the idea of destroying the only Jewish nation on Earth by Boycotting and Divesting and Sancioning is NOT honest criticism of the government there. BDS is just the newest attempt to help the Palestinians (a "race" that did not exist before Yassir Arafat and his pals made it up, as he admitten in a "60 Minutes" interview in the 1970s) take ownership of the land of Israel (which existed as a Jewish state long before any nation existed in Europe or the Americas) and drive the Jews into the sea.
If ANY "occupation" needs to end, it's the Arab, Egyptian, Lebanese, and Jordanian squatters occupying parts of Israel under the made-up name "palestinian". Palestine was just a made-up term derived from the Philistines and used by the Romans as an insult for the region while they occupied it. There are at least 45 Muslim nations, but there is only ONE Jewish nation and that one Jewish nation is TINY. There's only ONE truly "holy place" to the Jewish people, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, whereas Islam has Mecha, Medina, and more. The land were Jerusalem is located is not even mentioned in the Koran, and Islam is about 700 years younger than Christianity which itself is far younger than Judaism. I have yet to hear a single logical explanation for why Islam needs the land Isael is located upon or how any Islamic claim to that land could possibly pre-date the Jewish claim.
I'm not Jewish, incidentally, I just detest stupid and/or dishonest people playing with history in order to justify their racism and bigotry and desire for genocide. I'm particularly disgusted by American leftists who routinely call Trump and his supporters "racists" and "antisemites" and then themselves support the BDS movement while claiming it's not about Jew hatred.
To be more precise, hostility to the *government* of Israel is not the same as hostility to Israel, Israelis, or Jews.
I really don't care about the Israeli-v-Palestinian conflict. It's a grand battle of Dicks v Assholes to me. I have noticed, though, that supporters of Israel - and sometimes even people representing the Israeli government - are very quick to shout "Antisemite! Nazi!" the moment anyone dares to criticize their beloved country, or even shows insufficient enthusiasm in supporting it.
Back in WWI and II we called that "the resistance" you know, resisting the oppression and occupation by an invading force. The fact that israel exists in that location is one of the problems created by the brits. As with most conflict locations throughout the world. The jews were offered land to start a new country on but for some reason they much rather take occupied land. The thing is, their book tells them they have a right to that land, that is wrong, religion has no real world value. People supporting that are dumb and by their logic the whole of Europe should revert back to their borders from 2000 years ago. That's stupid. In short, borders should go back to what they were in 1947, you know, the one were Palestine existed and israel didn't. #BDS #holocaustindustry #apartheidisrael (oh and those "rockets" are sold as fireworks in the rest of the world)
Most Arab states don't even recognize the sovereignty of the state of Israel. They all pretty much refer to them as Jews.
We should also give North America back to the native peoples.
Hostility to Israel is commonly used by Nazis and other anti-Semites to disguise their ugly bigotry.
You may not be anti-Semitic. But you're OK with being on the same side as anti-Semites.
Yeah, right. Your logic is a pathetically obvious attempt to prevent any criticism of the politics of stealing peoples homes and land for no better reason that it says in a badly-written book that the magic sky man said it was okay.
Hey, Hitler massively and purposefully increased the ownership of guns in the non-Jewish population of Germany. I guess that means the NRA is on the same side as anti-Semites, right?
No platform.
Stick your platform up your ass you poor excuse for a human.
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
If he starts any post with a mention of US companies by a post asking about the crimes of the US, then he's an equal opportunity critic. If he singles out Israel and not any other nation, then the question which needs to be asked as "but why them?", and considering that whatever Israel does it is not nearly the worst, the *real* answer is usually "because Jews".
I'm not saying he is an anti-semite, and even if he is I doubt he is so consciously... hell, I'm even sure he has plenty of Jewish friends. But if someone has one single negative agenda they're vocal about and it happens to be Israel? Chances are that this is the root cause. Take the "birthirism" thing with Obama... not all the vocal supporters of it were racist, but it's pretty clear that there's a correlation there that isn't coincidental. There are degrees to this thing.
Anyways, back to the original point, a push for BDS is kinda bad. I was fine with BDS's agenda until they started targeting Jews that weren't from Israel. At that point, anyone who supports them is at least OK with anti-semetism to a certain degree.
Well said sir
Financially - of course it affects Israel and Israeli companies. But the issue is less the money than the debate over the legitimacy of the state. If Israel has done wrong (and you can list a series of events) then so has Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran ... and the list goes on. Hey, how about China.
I don't think Israel's list of crimes surpasses these other countries. And Israel has the same right to exist as all the rest of the countries in the world.
Going back to talking strictly on the economic end - BDS isn't going to accomplish anything of note. The hit on GDP is in the west is minor at best since exports and trade between the EU and Israel has been rising steadily over the past 20 years. Same with the US.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
We should also give North America back to the native peoples.
I have pointed out many times that the way we treated the natives was abominable. Whether it was literally genocide or not, when you boil it down, that's what's left in the bottom of the kettle. But sure, do that! I'm a quarter Mexican, which means I am one, partially anyway. Don't let the door hit you. Or did you mean full-blood natives? Because this land would look funny with just a few hundred people on it.
More seriously, Jews already lost that land, and then were reinstalled by force by the USA. Great Britain conceived of the notion but was then talked out of it, more or less by TE Lawrence. Sounded like a good idea to US, though. Israel is literally an example of giving the land "back" ... to people who were never more than a minority in the region.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
This is a horrible idea and risks our species as well as each nation's national security.
Around the turn of the century, I found myself on a neo-Nazi mailing list for some unknown reason. It felt weird when it and I were saying the same thing about current events. It didn't happen often, but it happened on a few occasions.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
...instructions on how to build a quartz silica glass disc reader.
I guess that Americans, Australians, most south American should return to Europe and leave the land to the rightful owners ... Indians, Aboriginals, Inca, Maya ... ownership of land has changed numerous times throughout history for (most) pieces of land ... don't cry about that
Sounds like I hit a nerve with a Nazi sympathizer. Fuck off, Adolf.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
I wonder if any of those pages will contain information about the crimes the state of Israel has perpetrated against Palestinians.
This would be a valid question if those pages contained information about the crimes the Palestinians had committed against Israel.
Since this is a knowledge project and not a political project, I would expect the answer to both questions is: No.
(No, I am not interested in arguing about who started it, both sides are fucking pathetic. I could get behind glassing the entire area with nuclear bombs and forgetting about the stupidities and atrocities happening there on a daily basis.)
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
Nobody gives a shut if you boycott Egyptian goods, and there certainly isn't an Egyptian lobby getting legislation passed to make boycotts against them illegal. AIPAC needs to be registered as a foreign agent.