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France Considers Raising Taxes on Internet Giants (reuters.com)
France's Finance Minister has drafted a new law to tax internet giants, reports Reuters:
A three percent tax on the French revenue of large internet companies could yield 500 million euros [$568 million U.S. dollars or £429 million] per year, French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said on Sunday. Le Maire told Le Parisien newspaper the tax is aimed at companies with worldwide digital revenue of at least 750 million and French revenue of more than 25 million euros.
He said the tax would target some 30 companies, mostly American, but also Chinese, German, Spanish and British, as well as one French firm and several firms with French origins that have been bought by foreign companies. The paper listed Google, Amazon, Facebook and Apple (the four so-called "GAFA" companies) but also Uber, Airbnb, Booking and French online advertising specialist Criteo as targets. "A taxation system for the 21st century has to built on what has value today, and that is data," Le Maire said. He added it is also a matter of fiscal justice, as the digital giants pay some 14 percentage points less tax than European small-and-medium sized companies.
The draft law will be presented to the cabinet on Wednesday, and then presented to France's parliament, Reuters reports.
"The tax would also target the sales of personal data for advertising purposes."
He said the tax would target some 30 companies, mostly American, but also Chinese, German, Spanish and British, as well as one French firm and several firms with French origins that have been bought by foreign companies. The paper listed Google, Amazon, Facebook and Apple (the four so-called "GAFA" companies) but also Uber, Airbnb, Booking and French online advertising specialist Criteo as targets. "A taxation system for the 21st century has to built on what has value today, and that is data," Le Maire said. He added it is also a matter of fiscal justice, as the digital giants pay some 14 percentage points less tax than European small-and-medium sized companies.
The draft law will be presented to the cabinet on Wednesday, and then presented to France's parliament, Reuters reports.
"The tax would also target the sales of personal data for advertising purposes."
"He added it is also a matter of fiscal justice, as the digital giants pay some 14 percentage points less tax than European small-and-medium sized companies."
I'm sure they won't just add that 3 % back to the costs of their services in France, nope that money will just magically appear.
Everything above is my opinion....YMMV
The French have fast trains. The US does not.
The French have access to health insurance regardless of means -- if you lose your job and get sick, you won't end up deep in medical debt.
French universities are covered by the government, no need to save $200,000 in school funds starting when your kid is born.
What does the US have? Endless war, mass incarceration -- the money is used to do violence instead of helping fellow Americans.
France defaults to extra big taxation. Invest in France and enjoy that extra big tax. Who in France is getting all the new tax spending?
People who need healthcare, people who enjoy decent public transportation and high-speed trains, people who work to live and not live to work?
We do not want to become like the EU. Mr. President, you have the nation's support.
Yeah.. uh.. I'm a conservative, but I'd like to know why you think you get to make a blatant statement like that? There are a few people in this country who get the privilege of speaking for the nation.. President, Vice President, Speaker of the House, President Pro Tempore of the Senate (Congress is a coequal branch), and maybe Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (again, another coequal branch).
You get to speak for yourself and maybe your family.. If you're the Mayor of some city, I suppose you could speak for your city... But what the hell? How offensive would you find it if some liberal said "On Behalf of the US, I'd like to say we all love socialism".. Yeah... the level of ego to elevate yourself to that position..... I didn't vote for you.. nobody did... Do you get to speak from royal birthright?
Why the sudden need for more tax?
What services suddenly need extra tax money?
The French government deficit is projected to be 3.4% of GDP -- (By comparison, the US is projected to be 4.7% in 2019)
Most countries recognize that having ever climbing deficits is a bad thing. They can either cut expenses, or raise taxes to make up for the shortfall. The French government is choosing the latter, aimed specifically at huge corporations that historically haven't been paying their fair share. Note that it's only targeting a percentage of their profits realized within France. If Apple, Google, Facebook and the others don't like it, they can always choose not to do business in France.
Is this a new purview of the French government, to dispense fiscal justice? I assume there will be no juries or trials, making the French fiscal justice system a dictatorship?
Every country on the planet creates their own tax laws, with their own arbitrary rules. Any company that chooses to operate in a country is obliged to follow those laws, for better or worse. If they don't like it, they are free to leave or stop doing business altogether. That's literally how it has always been, everywhere. This is nothing new.
Sure on my weekly trip to our HQ to Paris from Bordeaux (around 580km road distance), It takes 2 hours to get me at the center of Paris. "not dramatically fast compared to most other countries " you said ? Sure, let's see : Going from NYC to Pittsburgh that is around the same road distance of a Bordeaux-Paris, it will take you around 9 hours by train. Enjoy ! London to Glasgow, it's about 4 hours by train for around the same distance... Even with countries with fast trains you still get a major difference, Milano to Roma (573km) you will need around 3 hours ! 50% more .... sorry but I don't know in which planet (oops, country) you live in. If you wanted to bash TGV you could have gone for the comfort or the lack of connectivity on some east lines. But for the speed, the reliability or the price, no serriously get a clue.
Same thing about strike, lately train had more to suffer from impact of update of rail switches to full automatic that caused multiple black out at major paris station thant from any strikes. When there are major strikes, you know why trains are still ok in France ? Because, people will take the train to go to paris to have a huge demonstration ;-)
Nice French bashing and cliché combo attempt ;-)
Riddle me this... the places in the US that pride themselves on "light regulations" also tend to have the highest incarceration rates. Whereas incarceration rates in Europe tend to be 1/3 to 1/4 of the US average with similar or lower violent crime rates. If the US puts so many people in prison (proportional to population), is it really so lightly regulated?
The difference is that Europe is somewhat more economically regulated than the US, but those regulations generally affect larger corporations, not the average citizen. The US is home of Draconian social regulations that put people in prison, ruin their lives with arrest records, etc and so forth.
In all fairness, this should have nothing to do with the Internet giants. Given the massive degree of internationalization today, *all* companies should be taxed where they generate their revenue, rather than allowing stupid games with tax havens.
That said, what France is doing is borderline corrupt: targetting specific companies that (they think) represent untapped sources of sweet, sweet tax money. France is basically broke, attempts to further tax the populace led to the yellow-vests, and cutting bureaucracy or public services is politically impossible. They need more bread and circuses to stave off the collapse...
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
The problem is not only in tax rates, but in the fact that tax laws have loopholes that allow profits to be shifted to countries where that profit is only lightly taxed. In it's simplest form a company will shift all of its IP to a tax haven, then charge all of its national subsidiaries a license fee for the use of that IP, in order to reduce their profits close to zero. Many, many companies do this.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
The key word is not "3%" nor is it "Internet giants" - the key word is revenue.
This is what should've happened a decade ago. Taxing revenue instead of profits puts a clean shot right between the eyes of the majority of tax evasion schemes. It's a step long overdue.
And before the typical neo-conservative trolls shout it down: Remember that everyone BUT corporations is taxed by revenue, not profits. My income tax is based on my income, not on what's left at the end of the month. And so is yours. If we can survive that type of taxation, so can multinational corporations.
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France defaults to extra big taxation.
Funny how taxes are always huge, massive, unbearable no matter the actual number. 3% now. The same was said when someone proposed a 0.001% tax on stock exchange trades. Yes, that's a thousandth of one percent.
If you want a country with really high taxes, look to Switzerland. Last I checked (was there in summer last year), they were doing quite well for themselves. I seems - shocking, I know - that the fate of a country doesn't depend much on how it structures it taxes, but on how well it is run in total. Taxes are a small part of the equation.
Basically, in simple words: You are complaining about the price of food, without checking how much and what quality you get for it. Sure, this restaurant is more expensive than McDonalds, but you get actual meat in a size that doesn't leave you wondering if you already ate that burger or just imagine you did.
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So you do not want that big companies pay taxes? Strange.
One can say the same thing about the US.
Google. etc don't pay taxes. That is what they do. Governments can raise taxes to 9,000% it doesn't matter to them they won't pay.
Corporatism != Free Market
"France Considers Raising Taxes"
As far as disparagement of the President and the state and its symbols, I disagree with the law, but it's seldom prosecuted if ever. Also, keep in mind that children in the US have been arrested (or kicked out of public school) for refusing to pledge allegiance to the flag, so de-facto, US freedom of speech is limited even if the law officially guarantees it. I actually agree with hate speech/banned political parties considering Germany's history. Porn? It seems like the laws (in practice) are similar to the US for hardcore porn -- age verification and separate sections in stores. Soft porn/nudity isn't terrible restricted -- nipples aren't exactly rare on TV there. Public assembly seems to be subject to notification requirements, but permits aren't actually required. Contrast this to the US where every shitty little protest march tends to need a permit, or the cops go to full pig mode and start arresting people for obstructing sidewalks or similar "crimes."