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Netflix Makes Statement In Wake Of Steven Spielberg's Attempt To Block Streaming Giant From Oscars (deadline.com)

Netflix has addressed Steven Spielberg's concerns, after the legendary director indicated he'd throw his weight behind making Oscars harder to reach for Netflix films like "Roma". From a report: The streaming giant didn't name Spielberg directly in its tweet, but considering his views on Netflix films and the Academy Awards, it seems like the statement is associated with the director's thoughts about their participation as contenders in award season. "We love cinema," the official Netflix Twitter account wrote. They continue with a list of things they loved including: Access for people who can't always afford, or live in towns without, theaters; letting everyone, everywhere enjoy releases at the same time; and giving filmmakers more ways to share art. "These things are not mutually exclusive," they concluded in a tweet that could be considered a clap back at the filmmaker. IndieWire reported last week that Spielberg, who serves as the current governor of the Academy's directors branch, intends to argue in favor of changing the Oscars' rules to prevent streaming services from entering the campaign field at the Academy Board of Governors' next meeting. Because Netflix is a home-viewing platform, critics like Spielberg say that it's better-suited for the Emmys, which celebrate TV, a medium inherent to home-viewing.

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  1. Gen X vs Millennials again by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Old man yells at cloud.

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    1. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More like, "Old man succeeds and becomes wealthy, pulls ladder up behind him so nobody else can follow."

      Fuck Spielberg. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

    2. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is unfair though that the same movie can be up for an Oscar and an Emmy. If Netflix wants an Oscar then they need to show the film in a cinema.

    3. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by msauve · · Score: 5, Informative

      "If Netflix wants an Oscar then they need to show the film in a cinema."

      You're obviously not aware that Roma (and others) had a theatrical release before they started streaming it. So, Spielberg's sour grapes amounts to, uh, sour grapes.

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    4. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by hispeedzintarwebz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is it not as simple as feature length films being eligible for Oscars and serialized, 30-90 minute multiple-episode series being eligible for Emmys? Seems the differentiation should be focused on content type rather than method of delivery.

    5. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Funny

      we consume 100% at home or friends.

      Don't your unconsumed friends ever get suspicious?

    6. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by A+Smilodon · · Score: 2

      Spielberg is a baby boomer.

    7. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by G00F · · Score: 2

      we consume 100% at home or friends.

      Don't your unconsumed friends ever get suspicious?

      Ha! Dunno why, but this actually made me laugh.

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    8. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But why the "Oscars"? We already have the Emmy awards for television. If people stop going to the cinema then the Oscars should just decline in interest rather than trying to morph into something else. Or maybe the Golden Globes gets more status over time than the Oscars. But just because home television is popular is not a reason by itself that home television movies should be considered for a cinematic award, a better reason is needed than popularity.

      The dividing line between television and cinema is pretty easy to see, and so the divide between Emmys and Oscars should be too. The problem only comes with an existing grey area: the movie is shown in a cinema but can also show up television (later on video as with many indie films, or concurrently in the case of streaming). Roma was only up for consideration because it was indeed shown exclusively in the theaters (for three weeks). Where this is annoying Spielberg and maybe others, is that this was primarily a streaming movie and the cinema portion was just a tiny blip done as a technicality to get an Oscar consideration.

      Spielberg just gave his opinion, others in the academy will disagree. But the rules belong to the academy and it's up to them. But Netflix did seem to be playing very close to the edge of the rules here.

    9. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by Kiwikwi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Roma (and the others) had an artificially limited theatrical release in order to make it eligible for the Oscars, to generate interesting on the festival circuit, and to satisfy the desires of the director for a "real" screening.

      Here in Denmark, Roma could easily have carried a multi-theatre multi-week theatrical release... instead it was screened exactly once for a festival spot (a screening which sold out a month in advance). What's keeping these movies out of theaters is not a lack of interest among theatergoers, but a decision by Netflix to shore up their content monopoly.

    10. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      It was in a cinema, but for a limited time, and several academy members were a bit annoyed at how short this was. Ie, it felt like a technicality to them. In addition, there were several other things that academy members complained about. I don't have all the rules so I'm not sure how many of them were skirted here or if these were just sour grapes (ie, one complaint was the large amount of money spent on promoting the movie to the academy).

      I don't think Spielberg's complaints are "sour grapes". There is a valid complaint here because Roma isn't widely considered to be a theatrical movie but a television movie.

    11. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by mattyj · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Spielberg gave his opinion, _as the guy that heads the governing board that decides such things._

      I'd like to know his opinion on shorts, which show in a few theaters in LA and NY environs two weeks before the awards.

      The Academy Awards predate television and were a place for both long-form and short-form media long before the Emmys were around.

      I'm not sure what the solution is, but most films/movies are made through the studio system, large or independent, then find distribution on TV or in theaters later.

      The problem is that movie theaters are a racket that are in cahoots with big studios to keep non-traditional studio fare out of the theaters in the first place, which is why Netflix had to directly rent auditoriums to be Oscar eligible. They were not skirting the rules, they were busting up a monopoly. And I welcome the practice.

      Maybe I'm dumb and don't have a memory, but I don't recall Roma being up for any Emmys. I don't recall any movie being up for both an Emmy and an Oscar. I don't know if it's an unwritten rule, but if it is I think a nice compromise would be for both governing bodies to allow a film to be up for one or the other, not both.

      Spielberg is and always has been the mouthpiece for the big studios, and he's just the figurehead the studios are putting forth to protect themselves from more nimble 'rogue' studios like Netflix from eating their lunch.

    12. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, you you and Spielberg agree - the Oscars have nothing to do with honoring art, it's just about marketing and sales.

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    13. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by es330td · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm all for keeping walled gardens out of the Oscars.

      If the Oscars are supposed to be about recognizing the best work in a field, why should it matter where it is shown? Is a work of art any less valid because it is performed for a select audience?

    14. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by tsqr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because made-for-TV movies have been around for a long time and had been mostly crap for a long time.

      If they're crap, no one would be worried about them "unfairly" winning Oscars. What am I missing here?

    15. Re:Gen X vs Millennials again by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not sure what the solution is

      The solution is simple. Stop watching shitty awards shows. Thankfully, the masses are starting to take my advice.

  2. Sore Loser by Virtucon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry, this whole thing is about protecting territory. With falling ticket revenues these big producers need to think about story quality rather than raping Indiana Jones.

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  3. My screen is as big (view wise) than a theater by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    In a lot of movie theaters today, aren't the screens rather small? I use a projector and I tend to think the field of view for the movies I watch is not really that much different than movies theaters I've been in (apart from IMAX of course). With so many very large screen TV's around these days it seems like this would be true of a lot of people.

    I would say without hesitation the audio is WAY better than most movie theaters as I can hear it instead of a muddy mess.

    And of course, it doesn't have other people distracting you while watching...

    If you really value the cinematic experience, value the home theater for that is where people are truly WATCHING movies as opposed to just killing time.

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  4. This could end up marginalizing the Oscars by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 2

    Imagine for a moment: Netflix produces a really great indie film. They farm it out to Cannes, Sundance, and a couple of other festivals, and it wins awards. Then they stream it. Now a Palm D'Or winning film is utterly ineligible for Oscar contention, but cleans up at the Emmys. Hollywood is outraged. Netflix issues a statement telling the Academy to go suck on Green Book and Driving Miss Daisy.

  5. TV & Cinema Distinction Becoming Irrelevant by divide+overflow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given the convergence of video and film production and the ubiquity of digital distribution the distinction between "Television" and "Cinema" is becoming harder to define. This inevitably leads to arguments over the boundaries between the two and turf wars between those with a stake in one camp versus the other. They will battle it out to protect their "hereditary fiefdoms," even as their defining characteristics merge and the distinctions become ever more intangible.

    The plebeians won't care, having little investment in the outcome as their hardware capabilities provide them more and better options for data consumption and the media giants become more brazen in their attempts to capture consumers and lock out competition.

  6. No films qualify for the Oscars then by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Because Netflix is a home-viewing platform, critics like Spielberg say that it's better-suited for the Emmys, which celebrate TV, a medium inherent to home-viewing.

    Theater ticket sales in 2017 were $11.1 billion for the U.S. + Canada, $40.6 billion worldwide.

    2017 sales of the same movies on disc and digital format were $20.5 billion for the U.S., $47.8 billion worldwide. Compounding this is the fact that disc and digital movies are cheaper per viewer. So each dollar spent on disc and digital formats represents more viewers than a dollar spent at the theater.

    People view theatrical release movies predominantly in the home, not in theaters. It's been this way since the 1980s when movie rentals on videotape became a thing. If you honestly make "viewed in theaters" vs "viewed at home" the distinguishing factor, then no film (except those intentionally withheld from disc and digital distribution) qualifies for the Oscars.

  7. Oscars are for political grandstanding now... by nwaack · · Score: 2

    ...and nobody watches them anymore. Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, et al should make their own streaming media award show that doesn't have any of that political crap.

  8. Kinda weird coming from Spielberg... by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 2

    The fact is that, considering the size of modern TVs and quality of modern home audio, most of us have setups at home that are just as, if not more (When you factor in the overpriced tickets and food; and the awfulness of the crowd that only the Alamo Drafthouse bothers to do anything about.), enjoyable than the theater for most movies.

    SOME movies do command a theater showing. But many donâ(TM)t. Picking on a few WW2 flicks, for example: The Darkest Hour and The Imitation Game were fantastic. But I see no compelling reason why I should have gone to see them on the big screen. And indeed I did not. Dunkirk and Saving Private Ryan, OTOH, absolutely did and DO command theater attendance.

    The weirdness here is that much of Spielbergâ(TM)s work does fall into the category of âoeMust see it in the theater.â If, for example, he were to re-release the Indiana Jones Trilogy into the theater, I absolutely would buy tickets and see it on the big screen. Something still good, but much less spectacular, like The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind... not so much.

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  9. Who Cares? by WindowsStar · · Score: 2

    Oscars have been dead for years. They always vote for some crappy movie no one liked.

  10. Death to the Megaplex by Baleet · · Score: 2

    Mike Stoklasa of Red Letter Media said it best, to paraphrase: I can't wait for the megaplexes to die. I agree totally.

    For decades, the moviegoing experience has gotten worse and worse, with the exception of Alamo Drafthouse. There are no other brick and mortar movie theaters I can stand to go to. In most of them, you have to listen to mouth-breathing, nose-picking yahoos who have to explain the movie to their even dumber friends in real time. Given that the entirety of the the modern marketplace is based on selling me an experience in which I never have to experience discomfort, why in holy hell should I have to put up with that crap?

    Even the dine-in theaters that try and imitate Alamo are lame. Big seats and fancy food and drinks that are poorly made, not quite fresh, and indifferently served detract from the experience, not enhance it.

    Instead, big screens (or projectors) and sound systems are better than ever and getting less expensive all the time. Invite some friends over (or not!), and pause for bathroom breaks or to freshen drinks, rewind to watch that scene or hear that line again, and not have to listen to idiots (except for the ones you are friends with and make exceptions for).

    So much more wrong with Spielberg's thinking, but that is just the brick-and-mortar cinema part.

    I hope art houses stay around forever, and I will visit them every chance I get, in NYC, Philly, Austin, San Francisco, or wherever I find them. Seeing small independent auteur films with like-minded non-nose-pickers (who don't mind reading subtitles) is an experience that I count as one that makes life worthwhile.

    Not so the megaplex.