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Disputed NSA Phone Program Is Shut Down, Aide Says (nytimes.com)
According to a senior Republican congressional aide, the National Security Agency has quietly shut down a system that analyzes logs of Americans' domestic calls and texts. "The agency has not used the system in months, and the Trump administration might not ask Congress to renew its legal authority, which is set to expire at the end of the year, according to the aide, Luke Murry, the House minority leader's national security adviser," reports The New York Times. From the report: In a raw assertion of executive power, President George W. Bush's administration started the program as part of its intense pursuit for Qaeda conspirators in the weeks after the 2001 terrorist attacks, and a court later secretly blessed it. The intelligence contractor Edward J. Snowden disclosed the program's existence in 2013, jolting the public and contributing to growing awareness of how both governments and private companies harvest and exploit personal data. The way that intelligence analysts have gained access to bulk records of Americans' phone calls and texts has evolved, but the purpose has been the same: They analyze social links to hunt for associates of known terrorism suspects.
Congress ended and replaced the program disclosed by Mr. Snowden with the U.S.A. Freedom Act of 2015, which will expire in December. Security and privacy advocates have been gearing up for a legislative battle over whether to extend or revise the program -- and with what changes, if any. Mr. Murry, who is an adviser for Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, raised doubts over the weekend about whether that debate will be necessary. His remarks came during a podcast for the national security website Lawfare. Mr. Murry brought up the pending expiration of the Freedom Act, but then disclosed that the Trump administration "hasn't actually been using it for the past six months." "I'm actually not certain that the administration will want to start that back up," Mr. Murry said. He referred to problems that the National Security Agency disclosed last year. "Technical irregularities" had contaminated the agency's database with message logs it had no authority to collect, so officials purged hundreds of millions of call and text records gathered from American telecommunications firms. A spokesman for Mr. McCarthy's office said that Mr. Murry "was not speaking on behalf of administration policy or what Congress intends to do on this issue."
Congress ended and replaced the program disclosed by Mr. Snowden with the U.S.A. Freedom Act of 2015, which will expire in December. Security and privacy advocates have been gearing up for a legislative battle over whether to extend or revise the program -- and with what changes, if any. Mr. Murry, who is an adviser for Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, raised doubts over the weekend about whether that debate will be necessary. His remarks came during a podcast for the national security website Lawfare. Mr. Murry brought up the pending expiration of the Freedom Act, but then disclosed that the Trump administration "hasn't actually been using it for the past six months." "I'm actually not certain that the administration will want to start that back up," Mr. Murry said. He referred to problems that the National Security Agency disclosed last year. "Technical irregularities" had contaminated the agency's database with message logs it had no authority to collect, so officials purged hundreds of millions of call and text records gathered from American telecommunications firms. A spokesman for Mr. McCarthy's office said that Mr. Murry "was not speaking on behalf of administration policy or what Congress intends to do on this issue."
Government officials outright denied having such program in the first place, up until Edward Snowden revealed that this stuff was indeed real and in use. How can we trust them to tell the truth now?
of being recorded talking to Russia, undermining all his denials about having "no contact" and everything. World's dumbest traitor.
they "outsourced" that to facebook...
Google knows more about all of us than the NSA,
That ONE system isn't being used. They didn't mention the ones that ARE. They don't credibly claim that they've turned off XKEYSCORE and the entire chain. It's a very limited statement designed to say exactly what it says.
It's been superseded by a new, broader, more secretive, more intrusive, more brazenly unconstitutional program.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
They are spies. Their entire purpose for existing is to lie about what they are doing and why they are doing it. They have lied to us repeatedly over their entire existence
Do not believe them. I understand there are fine people in the NSA but this is their PR team. You know how much PR people lie... These are the PR people for spies.
The evidence Snowden presented was of comprehensive digital surveillance programs that were described as encompassing virtually all online activity by means of intercepting traffic and direct assistance of "partners" (Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, YouTube, Skype, and Apple). Responding only to the "telephone metadata" part was a lie by omission that the media willingly participated in.
The only wat the NSA would shut down a program is if it were obsolete. Presumably they don't need to specifically capture metadata anymore because they're now capturing the complete phone call through some other program.
POTUS: we are going to attack XYZ in 3 days at 4am local time.
Much easier and less costly. Plus Utah has the anti-spying laws which prohibit helping the USA's huge data warehouse there from cooling water and other infrastructure needs for all that EMC storage.
and wonder why nasa needs a phone in space and do a double take
i'm not gris btw
not that there's anything wrong with that
They just outsourced it.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/03/11/the-making-of-the-fox-news-white-house
You wouldn't like people who used fan fiction paid for by your political opponent as the basis for turning the entire US intelligence gathering powers against you either.
Because that's what the fantasy-based ("uncorroborated" and "unconfirmed") Steele dossier is - Hillary-paid-for fan fiction.
And the FBI used it as the basis of at least four FISA warrants, and deliberately used it to brief Trump so they could then leak it to the press.
I don't believe you. The. End.
... after James Clapper lied to Congress.
Sorry, I mean "simply forgot" to mention it as his lawyer puts it. "Oh, you Congressmen were asking questions about that surveillance program? I thought you meant another one."
It was so nice of Edward Snowden to remind him about it. And what thanks does he get?
--- "We've always been at war with Eastasia."
No congressional authorization and almost certainly unconstitutional if all of the facts were declassified, and not a peep except from Rand Paul. Trump uses a law they wrote to have the military use construction funds to build his wall? ROAAARRRR MUH CONZTITUSHUNZ!!!
Until about 2016, a lot of us on the right didn't place too much stock in the MIC conspiracies, but I think the last 2.5 years have pretty much settled any dispute about whether or not we live in a welfare-warfare state.
We shut down that one and are using something much more effective now. It even detects people writing treason on webs
They don't need it anymore. They got something better.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
In other news, an unnamed man was found hanged in his apartment. Police don't suspect any sort of foul play and aren't looking for any perpetrators.
It really is shut down.
They have a new and improved program now, hosted in a newly built datacenter/tap.
The old program is shutdown. This new one is a whole other level.
They can just buy this information from google, like everyone else.
Not really surprising. people are moving to internet based communications. calls and texts have moved to the background. I'm sure they have enough internet based spying systems operational.
This is probably the main site:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center
Video of a hilarious occasion when a group highlighted to the world what's happening at that location (note that, unlike what is mentioned in the video, the site's storage capacity is exabytes, not just petabytes):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsEkmHRbThk
> Why would Trump associates continue pursuing a back channel nine days before the inauguration?
See for example the Cuban missile crisis. Which would have been the nuclear war, had it not been for back channels facilitating a peaceful resolution by letting leaders on each side know what the other one would accept and not accept via official communications.
You copy-pasted a lot of stuff about "December 1" and "days before the inauguration". That's when Trump was the president-elect. When he was about to take control of the nuclear football (the big button). It would be extraordinarily reckless for him to NOT start opening lines of communication at that point. Like end-of-world reckless. A US president damn well better have a way to get a message to someone to who can whisper in Putin's ear, and vice-versa.
"The intelligence contractor Edward J. Snowden"
AKA the "great hero" who blamed USA for doing "stuff" & went to live in RUSSIA!!! A country w/ a really long history of doing "stuff"!!! :-)
You mean that program they said didn't exist because they would never do something like that?
Ok. 2 possibilities.l
1. It's a lie.
2. They rolled it into a new program.
"might not ask Congress to renew its legal authority,"
Yeah, so who watches the watchers? We have no good reason to trust this or any other agency. None.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
A spokesman for Mr. McCarthy's office said that Mr. Murry "was not speaking on behalf of administration policy or what Congress intends to do on this issue."
If the old program is shut down then what was it replaced with? Only telling half the truth is a big part of security work...
This works on who exactly?
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there is no way, at all, the government is relinquishing that data ever.
The Republicans or the Democrats have 0 intention to repeal the patriot act.
Big brother is watching and he likes what he sees, the world for the taking when he's ready to squeeze.
"The agency has not used the system in months, and the Trump administration might not ask Congress to renew its legal authority, which is set to expire at the end of the year, according to the aide, Luke Murry, the House minority leader's national security adviser," reports The New York Times.
Theyâ(TM)ve likely just found newer, less legally challenging ways to achieve the goals of the original program. They are doing something with their SLC data center...
Ken
Twitter? Facebook?
Favorite scene in Person of Interest - when Finch reveals that his company created one of the most popular social media sites. "Why bother spying on people when they will just give you their information?"
Sure they are telling the truth... probably about 10% of the truth. Which is at best misleading.
I have no trouble believing that the exact system is no longer being used in precisely the way it was being used ten years ago.
Is there a replacement system that does something similar?
Why have somebody whisper it is Putins ear when he can shout it himself or tweet it?
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
ISIS, Iran, Russia and China want the democrats back so much!
They can gut the country, remove it's identity, all the time doing SJW mental gymnastics.
Left nowadays is kind of a political version of flat-earthers. It doesn't have to make sense, just shout loudly enough and call anyone a Nazi who doesn't agree with the madness.
"Mr. Murry...disclosed that the Trump administration 'hasn't actually been using it for the past six months.'" That sounds a whole lot like leaking current intelligence methods. I'd suspend Mr. Murry's clearances for awhile.
wink wink
Lol. Just lol. Ray Morris, you're a fucking TRAITOR.
Any time the news is NOT about government expanding intel into individual people's lives I for one will take as a win for everyone in this country.
Usually the government expands this stuff and then they almost publicly BRAG about. The fact that the bragging might be receding and and attempt to portray a whiff at privacy at least leaves young minds open to the ideal that government should not be invading our every choice.
Bush and Trump did so many brazen things over this and both parties in DC LOVED it. Boo that!
So I say, turn your smoke detectors down for once and enjoy an isolated, narrow victory.
That's a good question. There are several reasons, some of which are unique to international relations and some of which apply to any negotiation, and you can use yourself.
In high-profile political relations, one thing very important to the leaders is to look like they won. In many cultures, they want to look "tough". They don't want the appearance of giving in. In fact, for their career it's often better to not make a deal at all than to look like they gave in. For their countries, making a deal is normally better. Looking tough is a low priority. There are things that are important talking points to the leader's political base, and there are things that actually matter. So there is a difference between what the leaders want to show on Twitter and what is actually good in the political relationship.
It's not unusual for staff to exchange appearance, words, for concrete things. "He doesn't mind giving you most of what you want, if you give us these things, but he needs you to publicly be hesitant, act like he drove a hard bargain." So one leader gives up the political points of bragging, acting like he won, in exchange for getting what his country wants. Timing matters. "He has to stay tough for now because we're also negotiating with Iran. After the Iran negotiation is over, he can take a softer position".
At work we're in negotiations with a supplier. The supplier starting out saying they want to raise the price they charge us by 400%. They think we are dependent on them. It wouldn't have hurt if one of our engineers bumped into one of their engineers at a conference and mentioned that we're testing open source replacements and there is no way our boss is going to agree to anything like 400%. Also an increase more than 35% requires a ton of paperwork on our side to get it approved. Our guy could quietly hint to them that our boss would probably do 35%, but 36% would be a much harder sell. That's kinda what happened, though not exactly.
Managers get a certain budget approved for raises every year. They can then apportion those raises among their people. Before you ask for a raise, do you think it would be helpful to know if your manager has a big pool available this year, or a small pool? A back channel can tell you, so you start the direct negotiation with the manager from a workable starting point. I learned that this year my manager didn't get his usual bonus because thr company is trying to cut payroll expenses for a year. Do you think that's useful information if I'm thinking about asking him to get me a lot more money?
I'd say more about that last point, but it's NEXT week that I have a meeting planned with my manager and someone at work reads Slashdot. Let's just say that my plans are affected by back channel info about what he can and can't agree to.
The old system is replaced by a different suite.
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Are you really that dim? You can't necessarily shout everything you know. That's called being stupid.
Instead, each side is playing both internal and external politics. Trump has to take a "I won't take in shit off of that Kim, guy" stance internally, while being agreeable to Kim externally. Kim has to take a "I'm standing up to the evil America" stance internally, while being agreeable to Trump externally. What they both do is negotiate a stance that allow both leaders to save face internally, while dialing back the threat of nuclear war externally.
Not being able to see and understand how this works with actual humans illustrates a lack of maturity.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
It's pretty much a given that they are not "ending" this program, they are just "hiding" it again.
Without the supreme court shutting it down?
NSA was cranking along connecting 98% of all spoofed numbers to other spoofed numbers when they suddenly realized that 100% of their data was crap.
It's not the TLA part that is the meme. It's the affiliate link at the bottom of all the posts and the something positive hashtag. It's Creimer spam though I'm guessing it's actually the trolls who ran Creimer off this site pretending to be Creimer, like those APK imposters.
Not funny at all. The parties swapped after 1964. Eisenhower was a laizefare democrat by today's standards.
So what about live witness testimony ON CAMERA where Eric Trump said the Russians really really like golf and financed all their stuff?
Your lies aren't the slam-dunk denials you think they are.