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DST-Hating Reps in Washington State Vote To 'Ditch the Switch' (komonews.com)
In the state of Washington, the House has voted 89 to 7 to "ditch the switch, bring the light, and defeat the dark night," says one representative. KOMO reports:
Changing the clocks twice a year impacts the body's natural rhythms and is associated with a spike in heart attacks, strokes, and traffic collisions each year, according to the Washington State Department of Health's impact review. Extended daylight in the evening is also better for kids who play sports or who are active outside, Riccelli said. The bill now heads to the Senate for consideration.... The federal government would have the final say.
And meanwhile, one Pennsylvania newspaper has published a state representative's op-ed calling for Pennsylvania to help lead the resistance in America's Eastern Standard Time zone, complaining that "This weekend, we again will be forced to comply with an archaic tradition, one that offers no benefits." There is no national crisis that changing clocks helps to alleviate. In fact, there are more negative side effects from changing clocks than benefits. Studies have shown that automobile accidents, workplace injuries, heart attacks, strokes, cluster headaches, miscarriages, depression, and suicides all increase in the weeks following clock changes.
This government-mandated interruption of natural biological rhythms and sleep cycles can wreak havoc on job performance, academic results, and overall physical/mental health. Clock changes require farmers to make needless adjustments, as crops and animals live by the sunlight... During this legislative session, I will be working to advance this commonsense legislation that will not only end the antiquated ritual of changing clocks, but will also help preserve the health, safety, well-being, productivity, and lives of Pennsylvanians.
And meanwhile, one Pennsylvania newspaper has published a state representative's op-ed calling for Pennsylvania to help lead the resistance in America's Eastern Standard Time zone, complaining that "This weekend, we again will be forced to comply with an archaic tradition, one that offers no benefits." There is no national crisis that changing clocks helps to alleviate. In fact, there are more negative side effects from changing clocks than benefits. Studies have shown that automobile accidents, workplace injuries, heart attacks, strokes, cluster headaches, miscarriages, depression, and suicides all increase in the weeks following clock changes.
This government-mandated interruption of natural biological rhythms and sleep cycles can wreak havoc on job performance, academic results, and overall physical/mental health. Clock changes require farmers to make needless adjustments, as crops and animals live by the sunlight... During this legislative session, I will be working to advance this commonsense legislation that will not only end the antiquated ritual of changing clocks, but will also help preserve the health, safety, well-being, productivity, and lives of Pennsylvanians.
If this ever comes up for a vote I'll be first in line to abolish DST and the pointless back-and-forth with the clocks.
It's stupid and serves no purpose except to fuck up everyone's schedule twice a year.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
It's just a clock - all this BS is getting ridicules.
How about just getting out of bed an hour later, or going to bed an hour earlier. Jesus, grow the fuck up.
PS I live in Washington state.
A whole bunch of statistical correlations.
In the state of Washington?
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for retail? Studies showed people shopped more when the sun was out, so retail used to fight to keep DST. With retail's influence waning there's not a ton of campaign dollars to push it anymore.
True story, the Fast Food joints in my hometown successfully fought off projects to build freeways through town for years because they didn't folks hopping on a freeway to get across town and not passing their restaurants on the way to work.
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The only source of potential pushback I'm aware on this is parents who don't want their kids waiting for the bus in the dark (that happens with the DST-all-year option) Which they may not realize until after they've lived with it. The standard-time-all-year option ends up with everyone driving hoe from work in the dark more days per year. Let the royal rumble commence.
We of course could effectively have the DST-all-year solution and stay on standard time if all businesses and government offices changed their hours. Good luck with that.
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I was around the last time the USA got rid of daylight-savings time, in 1973-1975. It was total hell. Children went to school in pitch darkness and bitter cold, and people drove to work in the dark. I can't imagine who would want this again. You get rid of a one-hour change for a much worse difficulty every day for months on end.
These days, many more working people travel regularly than in 1973, when jet travel was so unreachable for the common man that rich people were called the "jet set". Most working people today deal with much worse than a one-hour change on a regular basis.
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"ditch the switch, bring the light, and defeat the dark night"
I'm voting AGAINST the darkness, and FOR the light! Who's with me?! /s
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I was around the last time the USA got rid of daylight-savings time, in 1973-1975. It was total hell. Children went to school in pitch darkness and bitter cold, and people drove to work in the dark. I can't imagine who would want this again. You get rid of a one-hour change for a much worse difficulty every day for months on end.
These days, many more working people travel regularly than in 1973, when jet travel was so unreachable for the common man that rich people were called the "jet set". Most working people today deal with much worse than a one-hour change on a regular basis.
Technically, that was actually year-round Daylight Saving Time, i.e., elimination of standard time, not elimination of DST. But the first link suggests that's also what is proposed here (they technically don't hate DST, just the change--and so-called "standard time," in which we actually now spend less time of the year in than DST--is usually the one people object to). This would indeed make the morning sunrise later with respect to the clock, an issue in winter for many regions of the US, the argument usually being that children would go to school in the dark in the morning (I'm not sure the "going to work" argument would hold up since where I live, it's already dark after work during standard time by late November, so it's either one or the other).
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And be done with this. No fucking reason to keep doing it anymore!
Sorry, I lived somewhere ACTUALLY cold with real winter darkness that has never had DST for 40 years. I have been on the idiot clock (DST) for the last 5 years and an hour of sunlight here or there isn't worth the month I am now messed up every year.
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Depends on where you live, as in latitude and longitude. My Province is wide enough that there is an hour difference between the east and west parts. One part gets screwed either way when sunrise varies by an hour across the time zone.
Then there's the north where the sun comes up at maybe 10:00 and sets at 2:00 or worse. Doesn't matter where you set the clocks, it's usually dark and cold.
I'm dreading the next week as I'll be getting up an hour early and love this news as my Premier basically said, "whatever California, Oregon and Washington does, we'll do as we should all be in sync". Feds aren't involved here either. Don't understand why your feds get to say what timezone a State is in.
There's also a private members bill in the legislature to create a new time zone along the coast, always on DST. Might even pass if the Greens support it.
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At the very least, you know for sure that school-aged kids would be adversely impacted by this during the middle of winter, by not having exposure to sunlight before they start their day.
But hey... I'm sure that the convenience of an extra hour of daylight at the end of the day is going to *far* outweigh the medical issues associated with the lack of morning sunlight, amiright?
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I was around the last time the USA got rid of daylight-savings time, in 1973-1975. It was total hell. Children went to school in pitch darkness and bitter cold, and people drove to work in the dark. I can't imagine who would want this again.
I prefer driving to and from work in the dark than driving there and back with the sunrise and sunset blinding me for most of my drive when "winter time" suddenly begins. You tell me which situation is more dangerous.
I'm not sure hell is the right word for it. My friends and I enjoyed having an excuse to take a flashlight to school.
I was a part-time researcher at a college in Norway for three years. I'd come out in the summer and work for a month or so. There were 2 or three hours of darkness at night. But this was obviously a lot less of a burden than the 9 hour time change every time I flew there and back.
These days it is not unusual for me to go from California to Europe every month, or at least to another US time zone. You learn jet-lag regimens, how to time your flights, you get the right drugs from your doctor (never Ambien - I think it makes people sleep-drive and kill their children). I wonder if these people complaining about a 1-hour change never even cross the country.
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The original reason for DST: Stores and parks did not want to change the signs that said when they would open, but they wanted to be open during daylight. However, this history does not mention that: Daylight Saving Time history.
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DST is a waste of time. It is time for the U.S. to abolish it.
Yeah that has a lot to do with the issue, derp.
Would you rather make us all suffer as you do, and change the clocks 9 hours every six months?
The proper hour to set your clock should be such that solar noon never, ever occurs before 12, and leave it there.
And up north, don't start school before 9 am. Kids should be allowed to sleep a little later anyway.
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Yeah that still has a lot to do with the issue, derp.
They want to keep Daylight Saving Time year-round, not abolish it.
Previous efforts had been to establish Standard Time year round, but it turns out people prefer that hour of sunlight in the evening rather than the morning.
And, if the US Congress won’t allow it, the fallback is that Washington State move to Mountain Standard Time year round.
I live in Washington State, and I support this message. And yes, I was a kid (in Washington State, no less) the last time the US as a whole tried this... and I don’t remember it being problematic for me.
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The original reason for DST: Stores and parks did not want to change the signs that said when they would open
The park nearest to my house has a sign that says "Closed one hour after sunset".
I'm dreading the next week as I'll be getting up an hour early and love this news as my Premier basically said, "whatever California, Oregon and Washington does, we'll do as we should all be in sync".
California, Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia should form their own country.
(I'm a Washington resident, and I'm not sure if I'm joking or not...)
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Yeah I was going to school back then, and I don't recall it being "hell" either.
You know what was hell? Back when we failed about 10 school levies in a row, and our school district implemented a split-schedule high school. I was going from 7am to 12 noon, and then for sports had to come back to school at 5pm. Now THAT was a pain in the keister.
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Children went to school in pitch darkness and bitter cold, and people drove to work in the dark.
This makes no sense since DST does not apply in winter. Are you being sarcastic? Is DST somehow shifting the tilt of the earth's axis?
You don't want to commute in darkness? Then move to a lower latitude. I lived in a far-north country once, and know how much long winter nights suck.
A 1-hour shift in winter clock setting would only solve that problem for a narrow band of latitude anyway.
Or get your local school system to adapt. How can you blame a summertime clock shift?
The correct way to fix that is to change what time school and work starts. Not to change everyone's clocks. 7am or 8am may have been pitch darkness where you were. Other places it was fine. The places which are affected by longer night (higher latitudes, further west in the time zone) can simply change the start times for school and business in winter. If you insist on changing the clocks, everyone is affected - even people in areas where the time change offers no benefit and is tremendously inconvenient.
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The correct way to fix that is to change what time school and work starts. Not to change everyone's clocks
Except that it's much simpler to change the clock than to change every schedule, or worse, only part of the schedules.
If you insist on changing the clocks, everyone is affected - even people in areas where the time change offers no benefit and is tremendously inconvenient.
Then those areas can choose not to change the clock.
In Australia the summer day is long and very hot. DST helps separate trades people and office workers on the road. One wants to avoid most of the heat of the day a and the other wants a little day left over.
I think Seasonal Affective Disorder is also influenced by this, especially during winter when day becomes much shorter.
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Those children also had an hour of extra daylight for activities at the end of the day; you know, when they were doing things instead of just getting ready for school; that's a lot more useful. And 9-5 means coming home in the dark in the winter; that sucks. I find it hard to believe anyone gets upset about having to go to work in the dark vs. still having daylight left after work.
I can't image who wouldn't want this. Kids and adults alike, that extra hour of daylight after school or work is way better than simply having it be light in the morning where you're not doing anything other than getting ready and traveling to school/work.
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Children went to school in pitch darkness and bitter cold, and people drove to work in the dark.
If ONLY there were a way to make it so that school, work, and so on, starts an hour later. Sadly, it takes an act of congress for the local school district or a business to decide to open and shut an hour later... oh, WAIT. NO IT DOESN'T. These are changes that can be made at the local level, and also incrementally.
"This month, instead of first period (or when you need to be here, or clock in, etc.,) being at 8:00AM, it's 8:30AM." Then a month later, it'll be 9:00.
Solved.
If you fucking traitors try that shit, the US government will crush you just like it did last time you scum tried it. We burned a path hundreds of miles long through your territory to show you you'd been defeated. We meant to cause a famine and mass death just to put a point on it, but it turned out you could eat black-eyed peas so it didn't happen. Evidently the lesson has been forgotten. Still, if you need another lesson we'll be willing to oblige.
Through YOUR territory? You maybe should consult a map. Cali, Oregon & Washington are no the fuck where NEAR the "Confederacy". THEIR territory perhaps, and oh, PS, by the way... that was a DIFFERENT TIME. Different time AND different place. Different country, really.
Since the regime pretending to be the US government right now seems hell bent for leather on destroying the US, if several states decided, "fuck it, we're out," they'd probably LET THEM GO, because that will further Putin's agenda of weakening or destroying the United States.
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Boneheaded patriot retards love the War for Independence but hate the idea that anybody could leave their shit country with shittier traditions.
Some places benefit more from DST than others. Here in Ireland where there's only 7 hours of light in winter, DST moves those hours so those 7 hours occur at the more useful time of day. For summer we get 7 hours of night, so the change allows for better night time hours.
So here DST is very useful.
Location is everything when discussing DST, yet I've never seen a survey that links desire to keep/remove DST linked to location, specifically latitude and distance from your time-zone defining longitude. (i.e. latitude and what time local solar-noon occurs).
I think this will show an obvious correlation, should it be undertaken.
As for the heart attacks nonsense, while it can be shown that the number of heart attacks does increase on that particular day, it can also be shown the they do *not* increase for that particular week. The number of expected heart attacks fire that week is the same as any other week, they just occur earlier -- they would have happened anyway. Watch this video for the maths: https://youtu.be/XZGs5Im9f8Q
Those of us who rise before sunrise (which is most people I know) understand that daylight is not saved. It is robbed from the morning daylight. Only an ignorant Congressman who has never seen a sunrise could possibly call it Daylight *Saving* Time. By the way, DST in the US is so long now that it practically coincides with the school year. If we went back to year-round standard time, any school district that wanted to could simply change their hours. Then nearly everyone could get the schedule that they want. Problem solved!
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DST (and for that matter, the legality of marijuana) is a perfect example of why laws, and I mean all laws, should have expiration dates where when due to expire, Congress has to vote to re-up them.
Because many laws once passed, even if society reaches a point where they're no longer desirable, continue to stick around just because no one is willing to expend the political capital needed to take them down.
For the love of Pete, leave the clocks forward. There is no reason at all why the Sun should already be up when I go to work in the morning, and be nearly set when I get off work in the afternoon. It's the dumbest shit I have to deal with in life - having no usable daylight because we insist on immature, stupid teenage sophomoric ideas when it comes to sleep (duuuuuude I hate getting up early because I'm stuck in fucking teenage land in my head)...
Grow the fuck up. Get up and go to work in the morning. Get done with that shit before the sun goes down so you can enjoy some daylight. Leave the clocks forward.
Boo fucking hoo. In the northern states in the winter, the day is NOT FUCKING LONG ENOUGH to both go to school/work and come home in the daylight. You're just picking one over the other.
The benefits to daylight after work/school are undeniable. The science is settled on this and if you disagree you are a fucking moron.
The real solution is solar time. Everyone has GPS clocks these days. Keeping time is not hard.
I've done this with custom firmware on my clocks where the length of the second is not fixed, but rather is based on the math that puts the sunrise at the same clock time every day, year round. No fuss, no muss.
Our current concept of timekeeping is completely antithetical to our biology. We naturally want to get up with the sunrise, and the only reason we don't is because a) we insist on staying up past our biological bedtime doing stupid shit and b) we have an artificial method of keeping time that is bad for our health.
Ever since I started living on Solar time, my blood pressure has dropped 40 points, I've lost 60lbs, I no longer have food cravings, and I feel much more rested and relaxed all the time.
Without DST, sunrise in New York City would happen at 4:29am on July 1st. So most people you know rise before 4:30am? Good for you, but for most people you don't know, sunlight between 4:30am and 5:30am would indeed be wasted if not saved by DST.
Is it really that hard for stores - ect to change opening times?? that it matters which way the time is stabilized?? I vote to make US Standard time uniform at CST or Coordinated Universal Time. Then when we do things can be a local issue. The sun will still rise at the time it wants to regardless of what we call the time.
You know the purpose of time zones is so that every area has solar noon at around noon on the clock (more or less). If you live in a northern latitude, you get more daylight in the summer, and less in the winter. Big deal. Most people I know get up around 5am, so yeah, if I lived in New York or Chicago, during a month per year the sun would rise before I did. Big f'ing deal. That's better than the semi-annual diruption.
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This makes no sense since DST does not apply in winter.
Did you miss the part where he said "the last time the USA got rid of daylight-savings time"? Apparently this was a "summer time year round" situation. I would have been a little kid on a 30-minute school bus ride at the time (rural school because living in a subdivision in the middle of nowhere), so that's probably why I don't remember it. I was in the middle of Central Time at the time, and ended up settling down around the same longitude in my adult life. But I did spend one year on the eastern side of Central Time, and holy crap the sun came up early. It may only have been half an hour, but I noticed it.
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Just because something was invented in some way doesn't mean that it can't be further improved with a redefinition.
DST is great for me, I like long summer nights; but unlike other businesses, for the old drive-in movie theatres, DST wreaked havoc.
This makes no sense since DST does not apply in winter.
Did you miss the part where he said "the last time the USA got rid of daylight-savings time"?
Nope.
Apparently this was a "summer time year round" situation.
Ah, I did miss that part. This would be the problem then, advancing the clock. No reason not to abolish DST.
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...the less your opinion about daylight saving matters.
People whose lives are comfortable blow minor things up so they have something to complain about. Taking advantage of as much daylight as we can is a good idea. These idiots will be the first to complain that it's dark in the winter.
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From Jan - Jun daylight hours increase by about a minute a day. Then from July-Dec they decrease by about an hour a day.
So why don't we just program the clocks to jump from 11:59 to 00:01 from Jan to Jun and hit 11:59 twice from July to Dec. Then the sleep disruption would be so gradual that it wouldn't matter.
Rebels are rebels no matter where they come from. Be warned, we Americans will stomp the living shit out of you if you try anything. You're not going anywhere. We genocided the natives so you could immigrate there, we can wipe the slate again and replace you with new immigrants, no problem.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Rebel territory. It doesn't matter which part of the US tries some shit. We'll fuck you up no matter where you are. One country, indivisible although I'm sure you missed that part of the Pledge because whatever America-hating school you went to skipped that. We're America, bitch, and we will burn down your cities and rape your women. Don't try anything, you're not going anywhere.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Don't understand why your feds get to say what timezone a State is in.
Time-keeping affects interstate commerce, which is part of the federal government's perview.
Except that it's much simpler to change the clock than to change every schedule, or worse, only part of the schedules.
Retail stores stay open later during the holiday shopping season, restaurants vary their hours during Friday/Saturday/Sunday, Walmart never closes, etc. It's not as if schedules are carved in stone. Around here, even the Target stores can't all agree on the same closing time.
If you want to get up an hour earlier in the spring/summer, ask you boss to let you come in an hour earlier or become self employed. It's a little unreasonable to expect an entire country to fall in line because you think it's the only way to get your employer to let you shift your work schedule with the changing daylight.
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I wonder if these people complaining about a 1-hour change never even cross the country.
A real good chance they are retired and living in the south, where the daylight/Dark cycle is less variable. Some of them are so localized they don't even want time zones, only the time where they happen to reside. That sounds like a strawman, but I've had arguments with the selfsame people in here.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I'm in Florida and we have too much fucking sun here. If I didn't have responsibilities which require me to be awake during normal human hours, I'd be nocturnal because the only time this place is actually habitable during the summer, is at night.
Not only would I love to see DST abolished, but if Elon Musk could put a bunch of tinfoil in space or something to block out some of the sun over Florida, that would be great.
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Sounds like BREXIT.
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Why can those entities who fear the dark set their own starting/ending hours to whatever they'd like? Why does everyone, forever, have to mess with their clocks and sleeping habits twice a year? This is wasteful of human time, and (if sleep is so important) can't be good for our health.
And most people I know get up around 9AM ... not sure what you actually want to say.
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... daylight saving time becomes a bigger political issue than, say, proper healthcare for Americans.
This issue comes up twice a year, every year, then disappears just as quickly as the sun sets on an arctic day in December. Until there is concerted year-round pressure on congress to change it, this issue will continue to come up twice a year every year.
What are they going to do, roll tanks across the border of states that dare defy the time change?
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DST has never bothered me in the least. You get up 10 minutes earlier each day for the week before, and snap, you're instantly adjusted.
I love DST. I can't understand how and why the US suddenly has become a nation of wusses.
DST is almost exactly opposite the school year. School runs through the winter, usually starting late august and ending June. DST runs through the summer, starting in early March and ending in early November. It doesn't coincide at all, unless you are confused and think that winter is when we enter DST...?
Maybe people will be willing to lift a finger to kill Nazi time. I'm speaking of course for other countries and post Trump USA...
It's a German WAR TIME creation to save fuel. It's actually WW1 when nobody had electric light; but people objecting to calling it Nazi time would have educate others just how even more pointlessly stupid it is for us to have War Time.
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Why not just split the difference and permanently move clocks 1/2 hour forwards/backwards during one of these cycles?
I love how impartial the headline is. Nothing like supporting your agenda by establishing contrarians as haters right from the get go.
But, put me in the haters camp. I fucking hate DST and definitely want it abolished.
Time needs to be anchored to the position of the sun. Noon is when the sun is directly overhead. I'm OK with maintaining it regionally(timezones). Anything else is utter horseshit furthered by morons.
The switch to DST should be only be in the summer months. Start late May, wrap it up by early August. It is fully light early in the morning, most folks will have been up for hours, and it makes sense to get on with the day.
I empathize with you, seriously, but the problem I mentioned becomes quite serious the further north you go. I can imagine that in the southern states, such as Florida, this is less of an issue because the difference in the amount of daylight received between summer and winter is not as wide as it is once you start going further north. Basically, anything north of about the 45th parallel is going to start to experience problems with the sun rising too late in the day in the winter if DST is adopted year 'round. Not to mention the fact that in the middle of summer, especially as you go even further north, the sun is already setting very late. Does anyone really *NEED* the sun to still be up at 10:30pm, for example? Again, the closer you get to the equator, the less likely this is to be an issue, but Washington state is certainly far enough north to be impacted by this. Also, there's Canada, which would have significant economic incentive to follow suit, and would experience the effects even worse.
While the problems that DST creates with the adjustment of sleep schedules are severe,they are at least relatively shortlived... tending to take no more than a few days to typically resolve, particularly if one makes an concerted effort by perhaps going to bed slightly earlier the next night to give their body as much as maybe an extra 15 to 30 minutes to make up for the lack of sleep the previous night. The effects of insufficient sunlight exposure in the morning is by comparison far more subtle, but the effects are also going to also be far more long lasting. Exposure to sunlight increases seratonin levels, which in turn will boost melatonin production later in the day, both of which are extremely important in regulating a healthy sleep cycle. If you delay the production of serotonin until late in the day, then melatonin production is similarly delayed. Now imagine instead of not getting a good night's sleep for only one night, and needing perhaps as much as maybe a week to recover from it, you extend that by not getting a good night's sleep for several weeks on end. You wouldn't get the sudden trauma at all by keeping the clocks further ahead like you do with the semi-annual DST one-hour shift, but you'd still get the effects of people not getting a decent night's sleep for many weeks until the sun started coming up earlier again.
I am 100% in favor of abolishing DST, but I am categorically against keeping the clocks pushed ahead even during the winter.
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But the railroads are less politically powerful than they used to be, and the airlines all schedule via computer, so they can adapt with minimal problems. (Probably less that an MSWindows update.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Yes, but that would better be accomplished when the sun is actually up. So schedule an appropriate recess, or PE period. And the timing of that could be adjusted for local conditions.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
The original reason for DST: Stores and parks did not want to change the signs that said when they would open, but they wanted to be open during daylight.
I understand, but again, it's just not a good enough reason to engage in this ridiculous clock-changing ritual.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Actually, I ended up with a smart phone because I was in a hurry, and didn't have time to shop. I find it much worse as a phone than my prior phone, which was designed as a phone. The address book is useful, and the clock, i.e., appointment reminder is useful. The rest....no.
Next time I'm going to (attempt to) ensure I have time to get something that's better as a phone, and forget this idiocy of having it also be a camera and pocket computer. The screens too small for the second function, and a larger screen would make it less portable. And I *FAR* prefer a real keyboard.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I don't anybody up North who likes DST. I live above 45.
It is nice for a short while in the winter but the impact of being north is so great that it quickly means NOTHING to get that hour... it's dark again. Plus where I am we have clouds 2/3 of the year anyhow and so much light pollution that it's never really dark anyhow.
The UV we need for our Vit D doesn't happen even at noon this far north because at that angle the UV bounces off the atmosphere. For the transition months the only UV exposure time is around noon and we will never learn to have large lunch breaks like other cultures...
The holistic solution would be to limit everybody to 30 hours per week per job at full time pay. Then people have more day light. Holidays no longer become huge sales days because the economy will boom all the time instead of just a few times when people have vacation. Kids will have parents again...(2 alternating shifts = 1 full parent.) Robots won't take up as many jobs as quickly... and we'll be closer to the future predicted 50+ years ago where technology actually made our lives better.
No this won't happen because productivity gains are forbidden to be felt by anybody but the owners (and those laid off.)
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Children went to school in pitch darkness and bitter cold, and people drove to work in the dark.
So change the times those things happen and leave the rest of us and our clocks alone.
Wouldn't dropping DST for a specific area break a lot of existing code?
As the old Indian said:
Only a White Man would believe that cutting a foot off the top of a blanket and sewing it on the bottom would make the blanket any longer ...
All the evidence I've seen on time-change related effects suggests that none of these effects are on the margin, viewed in annual aggregate. This is like banning the straw toss in Saudi Arabia, because every fistful of straw lofted into the air kills six camels (these are not healthy camels, destined to survive another month).
If we implemented the time change as six steps of ten minutes over a week, the spike almost certainly vanishes.
Now that 70% of the population—and nearly 100% of people under the age of forty—get their primary time signals from cellphone towers, a progressive regime could be implemented with little difficulty. So let's get rid of the thing because the implementation of the thing poses annoying problems. Not always a bad line of reasoning, but let's be honest about what this actually is: hardly anyone who is getting anywhere near the recommended level of sleep has a heart attack over rising an hour earlier than normal.
We carry canaries into a coal mine precisely because they're good at croaking under the least duress.
I've always viewed this kind of ridiculous medical argumentation as the tagline in a Save the Canaries campaign—probably sponsored by the paramedical profession—who really don't like getting up an hour earlier than normal on the busiest day of the year.
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Your impotent threats scare nobody, faggot lol.
Don't know or care if it is true...but... "Only white man could cut bottom off blanket, sew it on top and think he have longer blanket". This "daylight savings time" idea is something that needs to go away. Before 24/7 connectivity and what not, when people (and businesses) wanted more time AFTER work, to do things, it was ok. But, it's time to shelve DST.
Not true at all! DST was invented by Benjamin Franklin. To sell more candles.
It was total hell. Children went to school in pitch darkness and bitter cold, and people drove to work in the dark. I can't imagine who would want this again.
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Please let me drive to work in the dark, fuck driving anytime the sun is close to the horizon. It's dangerous.
Funny how all the advertisers of abolishing DST praise the extended daylight in the evening and don't mention the reduced daylight in the morning! Ask people in the street and they will agree that summertime is great, wintertime is dull, so let's abolish wintertime and go for summertime all year round! What is not mentioned often is the fact that the total hours of sunshine is fixed and quite limited in the winter when you live in the north.
Personally, I'm all for abolishing the switching back and forth, but living at a latitude with 8 hours sunshine in the winter and 16 hours in the summer, I must say that I would really hate sunrise at 9:00 am in the winter. So I would rather keep the current standard time and drop the shift in the summer. That, however would mean that nobody gains light in the evening, but instead looses the long, bright evenings in the summer in trade for a ridiculously early sunrise at 4am.
Ultimately, one should not forget that living up north, the lengths of the days changes dramatically through the year and DST has the important effect of reducing the overall fluctuation of the sunrise, which is quite critical in our modern world where the time for getting up in the morning is mostly dictated by the clock.
Only an ignorant Congressman who has never seen a sunrise could possibly call it Daylight *Saving* Time.
Actually you can thank an entomologist from New Zealand for the definition, and then thank god that your "ignorant" congressmen don't make up new words for existing defined concepts further causing confusion all to pander to a few Cranky Old Pedants.
any school district that wanted to could simply change their hours. Then nearly everyone could get the schedule that they want.
You say you're a cranky old engineer but apparently you think that everyone in the country is a school student. Curios. A tad "ignorant" making your post ironic. But more than anything curious.
Some outside workers shifts start at 4:30 AM during summer in the mid Atlantic to take advantage of improved productivity in the cool mornings. During winter the shifts swings to 7:00AM.
The Boss will likely allow this if someone does the cost benefit analysis.
I hope that when DST ends, we can finally have a conversation about the hours we send children to schools. Rather than the current state of acting like it is easier to change WHAT TIME IT IS, EVERYWHERE, than it is to adjust a school schedule
Last time I checked, it was because he thought it was funny and didn't seriously think anyone would try it.
First off, kudos for taking a serious effort against time-switching. Bad idea though to go for DST year round. Just go back to standard time year round. Why? 1) It's astronomically (literally astronomically) stupid to define 12pm as one hour past when the sun is at its highest point in the day. 2) Doing this requires permission from the US Congress. A state can unilaterally shift to standard time year round.
It seems standard practice in America to refer to DST as "standard", which always makes these articles confusing for everyone else.
The public rifle range near me has a sign saying they close at sunset. I don't recall when it opens.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
Let's forget DST and the the time zone stuff and just make UTC universal for the whole country! ;-)
so shift the time permanently by half-an-hour and split the difference
Nothing in the laws prevents schools, businesses, or anyone else from changing their hours. If they want to keep their schedules aligned with the sun, they are free to do it. If that really makes a difference to what they do, they might find that changing a dozen or two minutes two to four times near the equinoxes gives better results than changing by an hour twice a year. The rate of change of the day's length is greatest near the equinoxes.
Mine opens at 9 (10 on Sundays) to keep good relations with the neighbors.
Let's boil this down to what it truly is. They don't want to keep daylight savings time. They want to switch from Pacific time to Mountain time, even though they live on the Pacific coast.
And now we can see just how ridiculous this idea is. Let's put Colorado on Central Time, Oklahoma on Eastern Time, and Florida on Atlantic Time. Mind blown.
This is about as pointless as Trump's postcard-sized 1040. (They didn't actually simplify your taxes. They merely rearranged the deck chairs.)
So far as I know, DST is and adjustment made FOR farmers, not one that requires "farmers to make needless adjustments".
The Monthly Approach
Change the time 10 minutes every month, forward or backward as needed.
The Daily Approach
Change the time by about 20 seconds per day and then fix things up on New Year's Eve/Day.
This would be a boon to employment as manufacturers of anything with a clock would need to add wifi or some tech to get the nuclear time, or add +20/-20 second buttons to their devices. It's a win for the economy and an easy change to handle with regards to sleep patterns.
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Or... you could admit that we shouldn't be trying to force that kind of asinine attitude on our bodies in the first place, and forcing everyone to not have any morning sunlight just because some people think that having more sunlight in the evening is better. But evolution is not a democracy. Regardless of what people *think* might somehow be subjectively "better", we are biologically adapted to function at our best during the daytime, and depriving people of morning sunlight in exchange for more evening sunlight is a vain proposal that gives precisely zero thought to the measurable impacts that it would have on physical health of absolutely everyone during the winter.
I get that some people already have to be at work really early and don't get any sunlight during their morning commute already during the months of December and January, but pushing DST year-round will force those effects upon a *FAR* larger segment of the population. Instead of just one or two days of increased accidents right after an abrupt semi-annual time change, with the clocks permanently pushed an hour ahead you will instead get a slow ramping up of accidents associated with a lack of restful sleep as you get into late November and December (quite distinctly larger than the effects you already get associated with poorer road conditions), which will peak towards the end of the year, and then slowly ramp back down in January and early February as the sun starts to rise earlier and earlier again. "Recess" isn't going to fix that.
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The headline is backward. The vote in the Washington State legislature was to go on daylight saving time year-round. They wouldn't need federal approval to go on standard time year-round.