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Salon: Republicans Are Launching Fake Local News Sites To Spread 'Propaganda' (salon.com)

"The Tennessee Star claims to be the 'most reliable' online local paper in the state," reports Salon. "In fact it's just a GOP front." An anonymous reader quotes their report:
An investigation by the fact-checking outlet Snopes found that several new local news websites are actually being launched by Republican consultants whose company is funded in part by the candidates the sites cover. Politico first reported last year that Tea Party-linked conservative activists Michael Patrick Leahy, Steve Gill and Christina Botteri were behind the "Tennessee Star," a website that purported to be a local news website but mostly posted content licensed from groups linked to big Republican donors. Snopes discovered that the trio has since launched similar sites in other battleground states ahead of the 2020 elections: the Ohio Star and the Minnesota Sun...

The group behind the sites does not appear content with just three outlets. According to Politico, Leahy has purchased domain names associated with Missouri, New England, the Dakotas, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin, most of which are electoral battleground states that will be vital in 2020.

Kathleen Bartzen Culver, who heads the Center of Journalism Ethics at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, told Snopes that political operatives are free to launch their own news platforms, but it's a problem if they are trying to deceive readers into believing the sites are nonpartisan local news. "I have no problem with advocacy organizations creating content that reinforces the positions they take on public policy issues on the left, right or center. The issue comes in when they're not transparent about that advocacy," Culver said... "The information sphere is so polluted right now that the average citizen has trouble telling what is real and what is not," Culver told Snopes. "I find that very troubling within a democracy."

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  1. Now there's an old tradition. by sabbede · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One that goes back to our oldest elections, though I think those papers were mostly focused on slandering opponents.

    1. Re:Now there's an old tradition. by Archtech · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's 148 years since Mark Twain wrote this highly relevant satire:

      "Running for Governor"

      http://twainquotes.com/Galaxy/...

      Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

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    2. Re: Now there's an old tradition. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Republicans: Salon.com is a nutbar site.

      I’m sure it’s not Russian, though, because Russian intelligence wouldn’t design a site so rickety and hard to use. Try to read an article on it, and the page twitches up and down as if trying to avoid your eyes. When you browse it in Safari, you get that little warning that this page is using excessive resources and you should consider closing it.

      Salon can’tg Be Russian. It’s what you get when a bunch of critical race theory majors try to write code.

    3. Re: Now there's an old tradition. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Fortunately you don't need to take their word for it, you can easily confirm that these sites are fake by looking at them yourself. Here are the links:

      http://theohiostar.com/
      http://tennesseestar.com/
      http://theminnesotasun.com/

      Notice how they all use the same Wordpress template and have extremely similar content. All lack any information on who owns or operates them.

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    4. Re: Now there's an old tradition. by Type44Q · · Score: 2

      No to illegal searches of brown people near the borders!

      Independent here and I agree with a lot of your sentiments but [what little remains] of our middle class shouldn't be destroyed just because of the grossly unequal wealth distribution in another country (we already have our own problem with that).

      Creating healthy middle classes in Mexico and Central America instead of eliminating America's - a concept you never brought up by proponents of immigration... how strange.

    5. Re: Now there's an old tradition. by illiac_1962 · · Score: 2

      Poor helpless citizens. Too stupid to judge from themselves and get thier news from reputable sources like Fox News and CNN. Water the tree.

    6. Re: Now there's an old tradition. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Boy, I'd hate to introduce you to the local news sites around here that are most certainly not fake.

      You really must hate substantiating your claims or you would have done just that. Come on, give us a link. Just one.

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    7. Re: Now there's an old tradition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well TBH whoever named it "The Minnesota Sun" clearly knows nothing about Minnesota:

      a) Two major papers in the state that everyone knows, regardless of whether the papers themselves are in decline: (Minneapolis) Star Tribune and (St. Paul) Pioneer Press;
      a) Minnesota identifies with the North Star. Yes, it gets sunny here but we leave "Sun" for the Southwest US and Florida.

      So it's hard to imagine that too many people in MN would even give "The Minnesota Sun" a first glance, much less a second.

    8. Re: Now there's an old tradition. by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      Creating healthy middle classes in Mexico and Central America instead of eliminating America's -

      While I agree we in the US need to do what we can to build back up OUR middle class....

      We have no obligation or duty to do this for other countries.

      Not sure where in the constitution the limited enumerated rights and obligations of our Federal Govt. is directed to help other countries...?

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    9. Re: Now there's an old tradition. by RedShoeRider · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To add to that, a little WHOIS:

      Domain Name: theohiostar.com
      Registry Domain ID: 2090314152_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
      Registrar WHOIS Server: WHOIS.ENOM.COM
      Registrar URL: WWW.ENOM.COM
      Updated Date: 2019-01-01T04:37:07.00Z
      Creation Date: 2017-01-15T20:10:00.00Z
      Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2020-01-15T20:10:53.00Z
      Registrar: ENOM, INC.
      Registrar IANA ID: 48 Domain Status: clienttransferprohibited https://www.icann.org/epp#clie...
      Registrant Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
      Registrant Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
      Registrant Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY

      It's the same story for the other two websites. All three are registered though the same registrant.

      I realize that's not completely odd, but what news organization has all of their registration information redacted?

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    10. Re: Now there's an old tradition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prairie_Mountain_Publishing

      Have at it. All of the local news sites owned by the same company. You'll see they're a division of an even larger conglomerate. Start going through the sites all owned by them and you'll see they are all strangely similar.

      Figure it's easier to just link the wiki page rather than the individual pages, as this provides a clear link that they're all owned by the same company, and also saves me posting a long list of links.

    11. Re: Now there's an old tradition. by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ONLY major news organization that does not actively try to twist every word that comes out of his mouth

      You mean, the only "news" organization that is willing to overlook his constant lies?

  2. it's kind of funny, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    for the party the coined the term 'fake news' (and 'alternative facts'), the Republicans seem to generate more of it than the rest of the world combined.

    1. Re:it's kind of funny, by nucrash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ironic that they use projection?

      As with Donald Trump's hiding of his grades when asking for Obama to show his, yeah, that's a conservative trait.

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    2. Re:it's kind of funny, by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2, Informative

      for the party the coined the term 'fake news' (and 'alternative facts'), the Republicans seem to generate more of it than the rest of the world combined.

      That's like giving Apple credit for inventing the smart phone, or Edison for inviting the light bulb.

      Trump may have popularized the expression "fake news", but it was already beginning to gain a foothold several years before he ran for President. He took a phrase he liked and ran with it.

      "Alternative Facts" however- that's ALL the Trump Whitehouse, they came up with that one.

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    3. Re:it's kind of funny, by bigdavex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The term "fake news" wasn't invented by Republicans.

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    4. Re:it's kind of funny, by aitikin · · Score: 2

      "Alternative Facts" however- that's ALL the Trump Whitehouse, they came up with that one.

      I thought it was Orwellian in nature?

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    5. Re:it's kind of funny, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Anyone who thinks the Republicans coined the term "fake news", needs to watch this youtube video.

    6. Re:it's kind of funny, by hey! · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not a *conservative* trait. Philosophical conservatism -- that is to say skepticism of Utopian schemes -- has a long and honorable history. Projection is a *radical* trait, which is why radical groups tend to splinter and break down when they're under pressure -- e.g. when they gain power and have to get things done. As their underlying differences are unmasked, they turn on each other ruthlessly.

      Conservative *branding* isn't the same thing as conservatism.

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    7. Re:it's kind of funny, by e3m4n · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually the rumor was that the reason the transcripts were never released was that he got a foreign student scholarship by claiming to be kenyan. It would have been fuel for the birther movement. Personally, knowing that his mother is a citizen, automatically makes him a citizen. McCain was born in Panama BTW. However, the transcript would be more damning, if true, than actually having been born in kenya. It would have shown some level of fraud in order to get into college. It would have been unclear how that would have been received. There are a lot of people struggling to pay for college. Lying to get a free ride, and potentially displacing someone who was legitimately eligible, would be an integrity problem for a president. Most people kept holding onto how they could invalidate his presidency based on some geographical limitation of where he was born. That would have never survived a SCOTUS challenge since his mother is a citizen, extending his citizenship as a right of birth.

    8. Re:it's kind of funny, by Ksevio · · Score: 2

      It wasn't originally being used "against Republicans" it was used to describe the fake news stories that people were sharing from random Wordpress sites that were things like "Hillary Clinton Runs Pedophile Ring out of Pizza Joint". Republicans (mostly Trump) then latched on to the term and started using to describe (true) stories they didn't like as a way to discredit them.

    9. Re:it's kind of funny, by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 4, Informative

      As with Donald Trump's hiding of his grades when asking for Obama to show his, yeah, that's a conservative trait.

      Or the President, who has spread memes from Stormfront, saying that the Democrats are the party of antisemitism.

    10. Re:it's kind of funny, by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who are "the Democrats"? I know a lot of people who belong to the Democratic party. I can't think of a single one I'd describe as a socialist. I haven't seen any polls suggesting they're unusual in that.

      Maybe you mean the party leadership. Are you claiming Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are socialists? Seriously??? Sorry, but no. Not even close.

      So when you say "the Democrats", I guess you mean some group that doesn't include either the party leaders or most members of the party. That's a very interesting use of language.

      Maybe you just don't understand what socialism is. Maybe you somehow got the idea that Elizabeth Warren proposing to break up big tech companies makes her a socialist? It doesn't. If she were a socialist she would want to nationalize them, not break them up. The goal of breaking up monopolies is to increase competition. That's a totally capitalist goal, and basically the opposite of socialism.

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  3. WHY is this on /. ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This has nothing to do with nerds. Nor is it news...
    Salon is the biggest piece of shit masquerading as journalism out there right next to Mother Jones and The Daily Stormer. Who gives a rat's ass what they think?
    Do better, /.

    1. Re:WHY is this on /. ? by xpiotr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's here because it matters.
      Fake News sites like this, gives troll accounts a "valid" source to point too.
      So when ever "references needed", this will be the answer.

    2. Re:WHY is this on /. ? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep, it's an effective online debating tactic too. It forces you to waste time and effort debunking the site or building a case against it. And then they just move on to calling you part of the legacy fake media and an idiot for taking the blue pill.

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  4. When did slashdot become used as a political site? by Munky101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When did slashdot become a politics site where propaganda sources are allowed like salon? Np, we do not want this in our nerd news. Keep this crap on twitter.

  5. Re: So, balance it out a little by pecosdave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Salon is one of the worst left wing ones pretending to be neutral.

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  6. Re:So, balance it out a little by lessthan · · Score: 5, Informative

    No. None of what you said is true. Even "Let the GOP have one too." Fox News is a prominent "news" source, wholly run for the Republican party. You have got to be troll to claim to be unaware of Fox. You might not know of Sinclair, which is also a conservative news organization, that has been buying up local stations. They are converting local news programs into propaganda machines for the Republicans. So the right is not hurting for "news" outlets.

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  7. Stop posting this crap on Slashdot. by satan666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why are political news on Slashdot all of a sudden? Actually there has been an increase of this garbage. I don't give a fuck if you are Republican, Democrat, anarchist, whatever, don't post your garbage here. Fuck off already.

  8. Yeah, and CNN-MSNBC-CBS-ABC are liberal fronts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe Salon doesn't know this but it been like FOREVER that CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc are all in bed with the democrats. Clinton or Obama says something and the media forwards it on as truth but if Bush or Trumps says something they are suddenly obligated to "fact check" and doubt everything the say and filter it to the people with "the Republican is claiming that allegedly water is wet and the sky is blue but we have some political pundits here who disagree with those outrageous claims".

    1. Re:Yeah, and CNN-MSNBC-CBS-ABC are liberal fronts by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe Salon doesn't know this but it been like FOREVER that CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc are all in bed with the democrats. Clinton or Obama says something and the media forwards it on as truth but if Bush or Trumps says something they are suddenly obligated to "fact check" and doubt everything the say and filter it to the people with "the Republican is claiming that allegedly water is wet and the sky is blue but we have some political pundits here who disagree with those outrageous claims".

      If the Republican's want people to stop accusing them of lying and fact checking everything they could, you know, try to stop lying.

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    2. Re:Yeah, and CNN-MSNBC-CBS-ABC are liberal fronts by Ogive17 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You sound like a 6 year old that got busted for doing something wrong and using the excuse "well Billy did it first!"...

      Fox News makes my skin crawl. I don't ever watch MSNBC. I visit CNN but typically avoid any political story (which can be hard).

      Trump is a lying SOB.. anyone still in denial is a moron. He is likely the worst human being that we've ever put in a federal position. He doesn't give a shit about America, he cares about Trump and money. Well, maybe he cares a bit about America because he can lie his ass off and get away with it.

      I don't blame people for voting Trump over Clinton.. could Hillary be less likable? But the veil has been lifted and it's time to move on.

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  9. Re:The real fake news is the headline by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Simply because a website sources some of their news from large national sources does not make it fake news. Local news companies source stories from Reuters and the Associated Press all the time. Why do you think you can find the exact same article in a range of news outlets?

    Presuming news to be fake simply because it comes from a different political perspective is hubris at best.

    I'm sure a local news service founded by a man with the following description (taken directly from his publisher's website):

    Michael Patrick Leahy is an innovative leader in both the tactics and strategy of grassroots conservative new-media activism. As cofounder of Top Conservatives on Twitter, Leahy helped to form the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition....He lives in Tennessee

    will be a bastion of fair, accurate and unbiased reporting. And, while I can see him being concerned about local news in TN since he lives there, it is hard to see what ties he may have to Missouri, New England, the Dakotas, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin, as mentioned in the summary. Unless he is just really concerned about local news.

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  10. Re: So, balance it out a little by pecosdave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know Fox is basically controlled opposition and that any time one of their, in many cases real conservative hosts, start talking too close to the core about what's wrong they get shit-canned right? Fox news is right-wing news with a restraining bolt.

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  11. Re: Likely true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Republicans of today are not what they claim to be. I'm old enough to remember the 70s. I grew up with people who remember WWII. Today's "conservatives" are anything but. A conservative would never endorse homosexual marriage. There would be zero waffling on the issue. A conservative would not happily go to war at the drop of a hat. A conservative would not want a wall built, because it means more government meddling. True conservatives are penny pinchers. True conservatives want term limits, no lobbying, and far less meddling in foreign affairs. If Ron Paul would have been elected, we would be a lot better off. Not saying he was the panacea, but we don't have true conservatives in office. True conservatives wouldn't make deals with the left. There is not a single true conservative in office in America at the federal level. All of them have shown their true colors in some way.

  12. Naturally by Koby77 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course, if a bunch of Democrats get together and put together a biased newspaper, then it's okay?

    1. Re:Naturally by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course, if a bunch of Democrats get together and put together a biased newspaper, then it's okay?

      It's not just OK, it's virtuous! The dems might as well just go ahead an launch a newspaper actually called The Virtue Signal.

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    2. Re:Naturally by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      Of course not, if Democrats did something similar they should be called out too. This has less to do with the political party at fault and more to do with the fact it's happening at all. So, if you've got any examples of stuff like what's listed in the article, feel free to call them out.

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  13. Re: So, balance it out a little by omnichad · · Score: 4, Funny

    If that's restrained, I don't even want to know what they be like totally unhinged.

  14. Bold Move by ilikethings · · Score: 2

    Salon is going to lose a lot of readers by publishing something so contrary to blindly held beliefs of their readership.

  15. Re:So, balance it out a little by e3m4n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its probably true, but Snopes is no longer a reliable source. They compromised integrity for partisanship a couple years ago and its going to take a long time to regain credibility. Snopes is supposed to call out misinformation. Deciding to rank certain and provable false claims as a 'we arent sure, its possible but we just dont know' for DNC related stuff was a stupid ass move. If your going to call out misinformation, you have to have a religious level of commitment to the truth, regardless where it leads you. Using influence to sway opinion was never what the site was intended for. Thats an abuse of trust that is hard to regain. I have never seen them call a truth a lie, but I have seen them abuse the in-between-ratings and thats poor journalism if you ask me.

  16. Re: So, balance it out a little by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, the so-called "facts" should not be trusted. The so-called "theories of evolution" are a lie. The so-called moon landings are a hoax. The so-called "space" does not exist. "Free markets" and "trickle down" are not fantasies, but actually work. Both the victims and the perps share the blame. It ain't bigotry and racism when we do it. Religious fundamentalism of our kind is good.

    And so on.

  17. You are right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Correct. The GOP managed to...

    Get Buzzfeed to run a story that Trump told Cohen to lie to Congress, which CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, ... all ran as well.
    They then got them all to run the story on how racist the kids from Covengton were despite overwhelming evidence showing otherwise. Now WaPo and CNN are both being sued for $250 million for these "Fake News" stories.
    The GOP followed that up with all those same outlets running the fake Jussie Sommellet story as well.

    They are getting good at planting blatantly "Fake News" stories in NYT, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and so on. They have gotten so good at it those news outlets have lost all credibility.

    So you are correct GOP has managed to destroy the left's credibility on issues.
    OR
    The left is so dip shit stupid they can't figure out a fact to save their own lives.

    Which is more believable?

    1. Re:You are right by ilsaloving · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or maybe you're intentionally confusing ambulance chasing journalism with intentional propaganda.

      I've been generally avoiding the news cause I'm sick of of all this, but your post is yet another example of the right trying to muddy the waters in order to establish a false equivalence.

      Some quick google searching shows that the Mueller articles in question all discuss things like, "If Buzzfeed's assertions are true..." or "According to Buzzfeed", etc. Most importantly, barely a day later there are new stories referring to how Mueller's office specifically contradicted what was reported previously.

      This was ambulence chasing and yes, the media outlets should have known better, but apparently the story was too juicy for them to help themselves.

      But as usual, you take one instance and extrapolate that to be standard modus operandi of "the left".

      Meanwhile, look at what the right is doing. They have a full feedback machine where bullshit stories are invented out of whole cloth, repeated by major right-wing networks, repeated by *the president*, and suddenly all republicans are treating it as fact. The sheer number of times that this has happened is astonishingly large, and instead of having checks and balances to curb disinformation, you all step over yourselves to embellish the lies further because you care more about feeding your outrage machine than having an informed populace.

      And this happens to such an extent that it triggers the truely paranoid into action, like that whole nonsense with the child prostitution thing happening in a pizzaria.

      Hell, I've found myself *still* arguing with idiots over the size of the crowd during Trump's inauguration.

      This is a fundamental difference between "the left" (which by US standards also includes the centrists) and the right. At least attempts are made at getting the story correct, even if there's an initial WTF moment. The right instead doubles-down on the lie than admits they were wrong.

    2. Re:You are right by cybrthng · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The "Convington boys" were bused to an anti-abortion march and allowed to wear MAGA hats by their school. Many things failed to create the circumstances that lead to those boys feeling the need to do what they did and none of those failures were the media. Making boys as part of their school field trip decide the fate of women's reproductive rights was failure number one and failure number two as allowing school children to wear MAGA hats and incite the coverage they deserved their own own actions. Why would school bus boys from OK to protest women's reproductive rights and allow them to wear MAGA hats and then let them get involved in making political statements that they then sued to hide? Why would these boys or the school need a PR Firm?

      What you are doing is projection. You're blaming others for your own actions as if being a liberal or having liberal media is the problem. The media reported on these kids and if they didn't want to be used for the propaganda they shouldn't have been sent for propaganda.

  18. So Slashdot is...... by Zorro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is Full On Venezuela Communist Now?

  19. Not projection, tactics by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's an old Soviet tactic that was borrowed and perfected by a GOP operative named Karl Rove. Take whatever your faults are and accuse your opponent of them. It puts them on the defensive and distracts from you and your problems. It wouldn't work if we had a media that wasn't owned lock, stock and barrel by mega corps but, well, we do.

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  20. Re: So, balance it out a little by skam240 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it's funny you pointing to Salon's political bias (which it certainly does have) while making claims of an eminent communist revolution in this country. You either don't understand what communism is or have a personal political bias so far departed from reality that you're consciously choosing to characterize the mild Leftist push the Democrats are actually experiencing as communism.

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  21. Re:When did slashdot become used as a political si by e3m4n · · Score: 2

    the difference is that our old debates were about us discussing how we are marching right toward an orwellian future. This blind loyalty to one side is new. I mean who would ever suspect that the company making radar detectors was the same company selling the radar enforcement equipment to law enforcement. Or that the anti-virus companies released virus' to drive product demand. Oh wait, we heard that and it totally made sense. Tell someone that their picking a side in a 1-sided battle and no matter who you pick your going to get the same result, they think your crazy. The more they can get us to sign up for the blame game the less work they have to do. The ultimate goal is to keep it 50/50 so as to always claim the other side is the reason nothing gets done. We fall for it, they collect paychecks and backdoor cash. We get screwed in the end no matter which way the wind blows.

  22. Re:So, balance it out a little by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    How about some specifics. Your accusations are too general to evaluate. And a couple of mistakes doesn't necessarily mean the whole kit and caboodle is rotten. They are run by people, and people make mistakes. I've disagreed with the scoring myself on occasion.

  23. Re:Can you list some hard examples? by e3m4n · · Score: 3, Informative

    sure, It was pretty dissapointing when it happened. I did not know before then it was just a husband and wife and after they got caught, it then came to life all the photos with high level players in politics, specifically left leaning. While Im digging that up though, read this. Its not political but it is from a left-leaning site that outed them for doing the same pretending a false is a 'maybe true' thing, this time for monsanto.

    https://foodbabe.com/do-you-tr...

    I find it highly concerning that googling 'snopes fails to report false' that the first 5 hits are articles written BY SNOPES about how non-biased snopes is. Thats like putting the fox in charge of the chicken coup.

  24. Re:Can you list some hard examples? by e3m4n · · Score: 3, Informative

    heres an earlier forbes article where they outlined other credibility issues with snopes

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/k...

  25. Re: So, balance it out a little by skam240 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I think it funny that you believe that AOC is "mild Leftist"."

    I think it's funny that you think that AOC is the entirety of the Democratic party and not just one of 235 Democratic house members who represent's only one of New York's 27 congressional districts. Is the entire Republican party libertarian because the people of Kentucky elected Rand Paul to the Senate?

    " What they want is to take my money so that the politicians can decide who deserves it."

    Every government, no matter where on the political spectrum, does this. It's what governments do and the odds are fairly certain you're in favor of government doing this in some sort of context so you can quit with the delusion that only those on the Left practice what you describe.

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  26. Re:Can you list some hard examples? by e3m4n · · Score: 3, Informative

    crap I hate citing this source, because using a right-leaning source to discredit an alleged left-leaning one is subjective at best... the takeaway is that you'll need to independently verify the claims outlined here..

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/0...

    it its true then its a very recent excample of what I saw them do a couple years ago. Are you any good at using the wayback machine? I never used it and would need to verify this screenshot that showed they were both on the board of that PAC.

  27. Did anybody even look at the site mentioned? by bob4u2c · · Score: 2

    Go ahead, take a quick look, I'll wait. Quickly scanning a few of the stories should tell you how the site leans. While the stories are not out and out right fake, they are misleading. Much like almost every other "news" source I've ever seen, I'm looking at you CNN, Times, FOX, New Yorker, LA, etc... What is not said is often just as important as what is said. All this illustrates is that you should never rely on news from one source. Try to compare at least three different sources, with different takes on the news, and the truth is somewhere in the middle.

    Also I don't know how much digging was needed; just look at the Contact Us -> Privacy Policy. It clearly states this is a product of "Star News Digital Media, Inc" and lists all the associated websites. Really it looks like some company started a business selling political sites to candidates. It wouldn't surprise me if they offer the same type of sites to the other party and make money from both side.

    This also reeks of the common "Voters Guide" that each party mails out to me every voting year, of which the slant is so bad even my kid knows something is up (and he's only 9).

    P.S. The weather forecast is hilarious, "Today is forecast to be Much Warmer than yesterday."

  28. Re:Can you list some hard examples? by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 3, Informative

    here is one where WaPo attacked their credibility and I wouldnt call WaPo right-leaning at all.

    https://www.washingtontimes.co...

    That's the Washington Times, not Washington Post. Washington Times was created as the conservative alternative. It was created be Unification's Revered Moon, and a prominent proponent of the Obama birther conspiracy.

  29. Re:Can you list some hard examples? by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    It appears to be a character attack on employee(s) of Snopes. Judge the content by the content. Where is the evidence the content itself is systematically wrong or biased? If character attacks on editors are the best you have against it, your argument is weak and you have homework to do.

    Something along the lines of, "Article 13 says Bob Smith was in NJ on March 3rd, but these 5 court documents clearly show Bob was in NV."