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US Tells Germany To Stop Using Huawei Equipment Or Lose Some Intelligence Access (theverge.com)
The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the United States has told Germany to drop Huawei from its future plans or risk losing access to some U.S. intelligence. The U.S. says the Chinese company's equipment could be used for espionage -- a concern that Huawei says is unfounded. "The Trump administration has been pressing allies to end their relationships with Huawei, but Germany, moving ahead with its plans, has not moved to ban the company from its networks," reports The Verge. From the report: According to the Journal, a letter sent from the U.S. Ambassador to Germany warns the country that the U.S. will stop sharing some secrets if it allows Huawei to work on its next-generation 5G infrastructure. The letter, according to the Journal, argues that network security can't be effectively managed by audits of equipment or software. While the U.S. plans to continue sharing intelligence with Germany regardless, the Journal reports, officials plan to curtail the scope of that information if Huawei equipment is used in German infrastructure.
We couldn't even buy american even if we wanted to, as there is no US equipment vendor that offers 5G equipment. The choice is either Huawei, Ericsson or Nokia (ZTE is too dodgy even for most european companies)
Yes yes. It's going really well for the Brits. You can see that.
Poor people living there. It must have been great listening to the populist propaganda back then, though. Is costing them and will cost them their welfare state.
But whatever. If you look at the stock market in the EU, you notice that we've mostly passed the pain already. The UK has not, though. The EU country's economy is going fine and continuing. As expected.
Why do I speak English? Well, because you don't speak any other language. And I'm communicating to people like you. It's kinda a tradition in Europe to try to speak the language of the person in front of you. It's a form of politeness. Usually if the person in front of you notices that you have difficulties speaking their language, they'll try to make a friendly and social compromise with you on a language you both know.
Very often that is English. That's because internationally English is the current lingua Romana. When that lingua Romana switches to some other language, you bet that we will switch too. And that this website wont be dominantly in English.
But English is a relatively simple language. So why not? I'm fine with it.
You seem to be to only one who wants to turn that into a sign of superiority for the US. Well, actually, the US got English as their mother tongue from foreign invasions from Europe in the past. You do know that, don't you?
Oh and for the record. The commander and military force who liberated my village was Canadian.
The guy has a statue. We remember the soldiers who died for us every year with the whole village. Respectfully organized by the village counsel and federal government.
Some of them stayed here and they got housing from out government. They nowadays have a family, children and grandchildren. They are all integrated in our societies. And they are very much respected by our society. They just live among us, enjoying the freedom their grandfathers fought for. Just like our grandfathers did. Alongside with them.
"Trump doesn't even know Cisco exists or what it does."
He doesn't need to know anything about Cisco. If some lobbyist passes him a note to bash Huawei in exchange for 20k bookings per year in his hotels, plus a hefty contribution to his 2020 campaign, I trust he will do it, no questions asked.
The comments are always full of whattaboutism with Cisco. That's a red herring to the discussion. And to the arrogant Europeans who think they can live without US intelligence because Orange Man Bad. Enjoy losing access to all of those satellites, drones, ELINT platforms and more. Its a hard pill to swallow but Europe's military is tiny and you simply haven't invested in those platforms. Without access to US assets you have little to no intelligence gathering capability on your own. I also don't think there is anything unreasonable about the requirements. Would you have said the same thing in the 60's if the US refused to share intel over Russian built radios? Why do you think Chinese built hardware is acceptable for official purposes. You have your own tech companies, buy their hardware.
And, of course, you have proof of this?
The NSA project is called Tailored Access Operations: http://www.spiegel.de/internat...
Cisco got so pissed about it they went to visit the president to complain: https://www.techdirt.com/artic...
Warning of an erosion of confidence in the products of the U.S. technology industry, John Chambers, the CEO of networking giant Cisco Systems, has asked President Obama to intervene to curtail the surveillance activities of the National Security Agency.
So, why do you think it's a good idea to pay China for equipment that likely has back doors,
Again, that's a false premise. As of now, your question should be phrased: Why do you think it's a good idea to pay China for equipment that has no indication of backdoors or security issues except unfounded claims from someone backing a competing vendor?
Huawai would be in position to put a back door into any of their equipment with a firmware update, even if they don't exist now. Why take that chance? And how would you be able to know if they did? I seriously doubt they'd let you build the code from source...
They will if they want to sell it to Germany and if it is necessary to pass the security audit. And with no reliable information performing such an audit for ANY possible vendor is the only way to go.
Clearly Huawai would do as the government requires, and if that was to hide backdoors in their firmware updates, you can bet they'd do it. Cisco? Not so much.
Well, any american company also is no further than a NSL away from having to give the three letter agencies full access, too. So, again, Germany can't rely on anyone here and has to run their own strict security audit and include any possible vendor here.
bickerdyke
It's always perplexing to see Trump Derangement Syndrome posts that both give Trump imaginary infinite power and cunning and call him stupid.
The President is just a figurehead. Obama's NSA spied on Angela Merkle's phone calls and they want to keep doing that. With the CIA's abysmal track record it's hard to imagine the US has anything worth offering that is worth Germany relinquishing its sovereignty.
Why the heck aren't they funding a jobs program to build an open source telephony platform on top of OpenSwitch?
Germany used to be known as the country of first-rate engineering - they ought to leverage their latent genetic advantage. And tell the NSA to pound sand.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
it's about preserving security on the networks that carry the terabytes of secret information passing between the countries.
By preserve security you of course mean maintain the US ability to slurp it all up.
Um, you do have to realize that the Chinese government are not the good guys. Saying "well, what about NSA spying??" is a whataboutism argument. Yes, the NSA is a spy agency, but that doesn't mean that Chinese spying is something we shouldn't worry about.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning