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Kids Have 'Math Anxiety' Thanks To Parents and Teachers, Report Finds (vice.com)

A new report out of the University of Cambridge studied the experiences of a total of 2,700 primary and secondary students in the UK and Italy and found that primary and secondary school girls had higher levels of both math anxiety and general anxiety than boys. "The study also focuses on how parents and teachers shape math performance and attitudes, perhaps without even realizing it," adds Motherboard. "In the same way that anxious parents can shape their children's anxiety, math-anxious mentors can shape how kids view their own math anxiety." From the report: The new study builds on previous research by highlighting the importance of teachers and parents' own math anxieties impacting students. Most students that the researchers talked to said that their anxiousness started when the math topics became more challenging, and they felt like they couldn't do them. Another reason the students' said they were struggling was because multiple teachers were teaching them math, and it became confusing across teaching styles. "Importantly -- and surprisingly -- this new research suggests that the majority of students experiencing maths anxiety have normal to high maths ability," Josh Hillman, Director of Education at the Nuffield Foundation, said in a press release.

Several of the excerpts of the interviews conducted by researchers with math-anxious kids are heartbreaking: Many described feelings that they knew the answers but panicked, or tried to battle through initial confusion. One child, around 9 or 10 years old, said: "Once, I think it was the first day and he picked on me, and I just kind of burst into tears because everybody was staring at me and I didn't know the answer. Well I probably knew it but I hadn't thought it through." Another described doing a fractions test: "It means like enormously [nervous], and enormously means like massively... I felt very unwell and I was really scared and because my table's in the corner, I kind of just like tried to not be in the lesson."

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  1. perhaps kids are like this in the u.s. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    because the kids are learning math differently (circles and lines everywhere, aka 'common core') than their parents did... and their parents can't help them with their homework -- and even worse, when they do, kids homework and tests get marked wrong, even though the answer, and the work to get there, is absolutely and totally correct.

    1. Re:perhaps kids are like this in the u.s. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      because the kids are learning math differently (circles and lines everywhere, aka 'common core') than their parents did...

      90% of people complaining about "Common Core" don't even know what it is. It is mostly just normal math, and understanding "circles and lines" is a very important part of math. Math is more than just arithmetic.

    2. Re:perhaps kids are like this in the u.s. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I tried to understand the results of Common Core but I can't find any data to determine if it's helping....or if it's just different.

      The answer most likely is "neither". It isn't helping much because it isn't different. Common Core is just a standardization of normal math education.

      It's too polarizing of a topic to get non-biased data about as far as I can tell.

      The polarization is mostly from idiots who have no idea what Common Core is.

      Most of the anti-CC kooks on the right think Common Core comes from the UN or the Federal government. It doesn't.

      Most of the anti-CC kooks on the left think Common Core means teach-to-the-test, and disempowers teachers. It doesn't. CC doesn't specify any particular tests, and it was designed by teachers.

    3. Re:perhaps kids are like this in the u.s. by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I know at least how they want people to do addition, and it's crap. Arithmetic needs no circles and lines. It is an algorithmic process.

      They attempt to teach the kids mental shortcuts before they even know the long way, and that's why it fails. Worse, they teach the shortcut wrong.

      And the nonsense about marking a useful thought process that arrives logically at the correct answer wrong because it's not the official holy thought process is wrong headed in the extreme.

      Educators are constantly harping on parental involvement, but then they shove parents out of it by insisting on their odd approach to math where not only do the parents have no idea what the teacher wants to see for an answer, but if they start from scratch and teach THEIR child how to do arithmetic "the old way", the child will flunk even if he never produces an incorrect answer.

      Why WOULDN'T that produce anxiety?

  2. Re:Not my daughter. by Octorian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Girls can definitely do math. However, it seems like its more socially acceptable for them to brag about how they're bad at it. Maybe that's the real problem here.

  3. That isn't "math anxiety." by bistromath007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The described situation is social anxiety. Any connection to math is purely incidental.

    Actual math anxiety stems wholly from the fact that any sane person would be anxious if you told them you were going to force them to practice various riffs on elementary algebra for twelve years and call it "math."

  4. Re:Not my daughter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's more socially acceptable for girls to give up or never try at all. Doing so does not hurt their social status or dating chances.

    Girls are born valuable and they know it. Boys have to earn their place and they know it too.

    Just look for the "neckbeard" or "incel" comments as proof. What is the female version of those two terms? They don't exist, because no woman is without value.

  5. Well, math anxiety... by zkiwi34 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's long been known that when kids are learning math:

    * They have family who generally have had bad experiences when they learned math.
    * They have teachers in their early years without the interest, ability, or confidence to teach math

    The message comes across loud and and clear - math is hard/confusing/not for mere mortals.

    1. Re: Well, math anxiety... by reanjr · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's true for any subject that isn't predominantly just talking about shit. Any topic with objective measurements of success and failure is cause for anxiety from those who can't do it. Other subjects you can bullshit through, parrot a few sentances, and your teacher can subjectively pass you. As soon as there I an objective measure, you have kids who are objectively failures.

  6. Re:Wishy Washy Rationalizations by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Subjective emotions are important. Ultimately, the reason things like computers and technology are good is because they make people happy.

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  7. Re:New math by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The algorithm they're teaching *IS* different. It is substantially different and it is more confusing than what they were teaching when I was in school.

    For example, they INSIST that to do 8+5 in the second grade, the kid MUST decompose it into 8+3+2, 8+2 = 10, 10+3=13. Decomposing it into 5+5+3 is WRONG, simply remembering that 8+5 is 13 is WRONG.

    If the 5 doesn't have two lines coming down at roughly a 45 degree angle with a 2 and a 3 at the other endpoints and a circle around the 8 and the 2, it is WRONG.

    Damnit, now I hear the teacher in the wall yelling "WROOOOOng, do it AGAIN!".

  8. Re:Anxiety for 1200 Alex by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is something we all felt in high school?

    But, math anxiety? Wow. If it existed, I rather convincingly suspect it was in back of dozens of other, considerably more important at the moment, social concerns.

    The anxiety is probably the enforcement of the ideological dictate that women are equal or better at math than males.

    When proficiency in math is actually based on individual ability, not the person's genitals.

    That doesn't matter to the idealogues, they attempt to force math proficiency on young ladies who may or may not have the individual traits.

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