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California Declared Totally Drought Free For First Time in Seven Years

California was declared totally drought free for the first time in more than seven years this week, following unusually abundant winter rains and snowfall statewide, according to the government's weekly report on U.S. drought conditions. From a report: The U.S. Drought Monitor's latest survey reflected an astonishing turnaround - at least for now - from a severe, prolonged dry spell that reduced irrigation supplies to farmers, forced strict household conservation measures and stoked a spate of deadly, devastating wildfires. A relatively small swath of California's southern-most region, including most of San Diego County, remains labeled "abnormally dry" on the drought map index, as does a tiny patch at the state's extreme northern end along the Oregon border. But this week marks the first time since mid-December of 2011 that 100 percent of the state has been classified as being free of drought, defined as a moisture deficit severe enough to cause social, environmental or economic ills. Conditions were classified as normal across 93 percent of the state.

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  1. Leftist tears by rlauzon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Must be from all the Leftest Tears since Trump took office.

    1. Re:Leftist tears by greythax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This place has become a cesspool. Umpteen years ago when I started coming here, there was plenty of debate, but usually it had something to do with facts or or at the very least science. Comments like this would have been down modded into oblivion for being flaimbait. I dunno if mod bots are to blame or what, but it seems like the only posts you see if you browse at 2 are shitposts like this. That, or an anti science conspiracy. Slashdot used to be the best location on the internet to get detailed, informed conversation about any science topic there was. Now it is just a forum for superkendal and his sad asshole ac stalker to stroke each other for attention.

      Does anyone have ANY suggestions for a nerd news site where the community hasn't become so toxic? I need a new haunt. I was hoping I could stick around until things got better, but I think I need to admit to myself that this place is dead. This crowd is just picking over the bones.

  2. Climate change by Kohath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've been told wet weather is a sign of climate change. Two years ago, drought was a sign of climate change. It's an all powerful phenomenon that explains everything.

    1. Re:Climate change by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Informative

      Extreme swings in weather conditions are a sign that the earth's climate system has absorbed more energy. And we have been seeing lots of extreme swings in the last couple of decades.

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    2. Re:Climate change by mopower70 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've been told wet weather is a sign of climate change. Two years ago, drought was a sign of climate change. It's an all powerful phenomenon that explains everything.

      I've been told the inability to track a straight line is a sign of poor alignment in a car. I've also been told that difficulty in turning is also a sign of poor alignment in a car. I've been told that the inability to stop is a sign of bad brake adjustment. I've been told that sudden jerky stops are also a sign of bad brake adjustment. I've been told that an engine failing to heat up can be caused by a bad thermostat. I've been told that a car overheating can also be caused by a bad thermostat. Gosh, it's almost as if opposing extremes in a given system can be caused by the same thing!

    3. Re:Climate change by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They started with "global warming", then we got a very cold season here so they change the tone to "climate change". I guess, climate changing is bad?

      The problem is complexity. The climate is warming, so :global warming" is accurate. However, you tell that to Joe On the Street and he thinks it just means Alaska will be like California in the end so what's wrong with that?

      The real truth is with the added heat energy, the climate will swing more wildly. One day you can enjoy a spring day, the next, you get 3 feet of snow dumped on you.

      The use of climate change is meant to reflect that - the climate is changing, and the wonderful summer days you remembered as a kid was replaced with scorching hot heatwaves years ago. Plus, the word "change" is scary

    4. Re:Climate change by Kohath · · Score: 2, Funny

      Understood. Climate change causes any/every noteworthy change in weather. It's really amazing that way.

    5. Re:Climate change by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Understood?" No, you fail at understanding how oscillating systems behave. More energy leads to higher amplitudes.

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    6. Re:Climate change by Kohath · · Score: 2

      Drought is a consistent weather pattern — consistent lack of rain, not a changing one.

    7. Re:Climate change by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've been told wet weather is a sign of climate change.

      For the western US - the coast in particular - the ENSO (El Niño Southern Oscillation) pretty much trumps everything else. Typically in El Niño years, California is wetter than normal (and my state, Washington, is dryer than normal).

      But those are still just percentages - they don't always pan out. Plus this winter's El Niño fizzled out about halfway through. As Freud might've said, "sometimes a wet winter is just a wet winter".

      Additionally, multi-year droughts are not uncommon for California. There's a reason they decided to build water reservoirs with multi-year capacity, way back in the say. This may be affected by anthropogenic climate change, one way or the other, but it's also an underlying truth about California's climate.

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    8. Re:Climate change by PPH · · Score: 2

      More energy leads to higher amplitudes.

      Just add more capacitors (but not the Chinese ones).

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    9. Re:Climate change by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

      One day you can enjoy a spring day, the next, you get 3 feet of snow dumped on you.

      Our temperatures are going from 72/73 F today (3/15/19) to possibly 42 F tomorrow. That's a 30 degree swing of temperature in one day.

      No snow, but definitely a wild swing.

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    10. Re:Climate change by Kohath · · Score: 2

      It would be better if climate change didn't cause consistent weather and changing weather, drought and rain, heat and cold, more hurricanes and also fewer, and everything else.

      The only pattern is that belief is mandatory. The specifics of what we must believe are various and depend on political needs.

  3. still paying high water prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sad part is we're still paying drought prices thanks to Jerry Brown. One way to raise taxes without raising taxes.

  4. Doesn't California still have a problem though? by pgmrdlm · · Score: 2

    https://www.newsdeeply.com/water/articles/2017/01/23/how-california-can-make-the-most-of-its-rainfalls/

    âoeWe designed our infrastructure in California to take that stormwater and send it out to the ocean as fast as possible, treating it as a hazard or waste,â said Kihara. Now STORMS, other state agencies and some cities are working to change that narrative. âoeIt previously got folded into the sewer fee, so your taxpayer money is taking that stormwater and routing it away. [But] the drought has made us look at what sources of water we can depend on other than Sierra snowpack, and along with desalination and recycled water, what about stormwater? We want the public to look at it from a different perspective: less as waste, and more as a resource.â

    Don't most droughts occur in cycles? Shouldn't they be planning now how to capture as much water as possible for future use?

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    1. Re:Doesn't California still have a problem though? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They're called lakes. You dam up a river or creek somewhere. When it rains, the water level goes up. When it's not raining, it gradually goes down, because the water is being used municipally.

      There's a lake that's 60-70 years old that supplies most of the water to my hometown. There was a drought during my childhood, and I grew up knowing that lake to have two islands, a big one and a little one. Turns out the little one wasn't supposed to exist: that was a bit of lake bed peeking above the water surface because it had gotten so low. After the El Niño storms in the mid-90s, the lake was full to the brim, and remained mostly full for most of my adult life, but slowly dwindled down to record lows after such a long drought, so the point that instead of one island, instead of two islands, it had only two peninsulas, because so much of it had run dry you could walk out to either island on the dry lake bed.

      I should go take a look at the lake this weekend, after all of the heavy rains we've been getting lately, and see how many islands there are in it now.

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    2. Re:Doesn't California still have a problem though? by pgmrdlm · · Score: 2

      Or reservoirs. My point is, the article I posted talks about how much water from rainfall flows into the ocean. Either more man made lakes/reservoirs, or big ass catch basins should be built now for the next possible drought.

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  5. Ca has been in a "drought" for 50 years by sycodon · · Score: 2

    I was raised in CA and every year there was some idiot politician talking about how we were in a drought.

    It's as if they don't understand, "average" rainfall. We'd get creamed in the winter, nothing in the summer, and they'd call it a drought.

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    1. Re:Ca has been in a "drought" for 50 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Problem is, there's been a very obvious change in the winter rainfall patterns here in L.A. over the last decade. It used to start raining by November, but now it's usually warm and dry until February. We've had 80-90 degree Decembers. This winter was remarkable because it rained a lot, it rained early, and it actually got cold before Christmas. The hills are crazy green, which we haven't seen in a long time. It's not a matter of dry summers/wet winters anymore, but a lot of year-round dryness that's been relentless.

  6. Re:Trump should take credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    He has long critized California's water management policies. It seems he's getting through to them now.

    From the summary:

    California was declared totally drought free for the first time in more than seven years this week, following unusually abundant winter rains and snowfall statewide, according to the government's weekly report on U.S. drought conditions.

    So, Trump should take credit for the weather? Who exactly do you think he's m"getting through" to?

    Why not?

    He gets blamed by TDS-addled, ORANGEMANBAD!!! twits for the phases of the moon.

  7. Re: All this at the cost of WA snowpack by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    It also is correlated with your increased fire risk, and ours. Rains and snow cause plant growth and floods. We're used to it up here, but you can expect it to keep increasing in places where the infrastructure isn't there to handle it. We have salmon swim across our highways (literally over them), houses pulled into raging rivers, that kind of thing. Expect more of that in Cali.

    (caveat: my siblings live in Cali, and are impacted by some of these events)

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  8. Do you think CA is storing ANY excess water? by SensitiveMale · · Score: 2, Informative

    NOPE.

    Trillions of gallons of water are simply flowing to the ocean. So the next time there is a drought Californians will bitch and complain about global warming. When pointed out that the lack of water is policial in nature, they reply, as always, with "So politics controls the rain now?"

  9. Arizona has also turned into a bath sponge now by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    One more rainstorm, and we're going to start getting alligators.

  10. Re:The real problem is California selling its wate by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Specifically NorCal water being redirected to Southern California and particularly LA.
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    The drought scam in California has been entirely fictional, and mostly related to the mega-cities like San Francisco and Los Angeles stealing all the water from the eastern range [...] The same applies to Southern California agriculture

    BS. Cities and towns only use about 10% of the water. The vast majority of water is used for agriculture and for environmental reasons (keeping rivers flowing, wetlands wet, and preventing saltwater inundation in bays). Yes most of the water used by LA metro residents is piped in from elsewhere. But it's a tiny fraction of the water that's redirected around the state. Southern California has very little agriculture - a few orange groves and scattered ground crops. The vast majority of agriculture is in central California (note that the Bay Area is actually in the middle of the state, not Northern California as its generally called, and is adjacent to most of this agricultural productivity).

    What needs to happen is for the price of agricultural products grown in California to increase to truly reflect the scarcity of water. Agriculture contributes only 2% to California's GDP, but consumes 80% of its non-environmental water use. California's agriculture industry needs to be charged full price for the water it uses. People in other states will then either pay the higher prices for California crops and livestock, allowing California farmers to afford to buy water from sources in other states. Or they'll refuse to pay the higher prices, allowing production to move to states where it makes more economic sense to grow those crops and livestock. Both of these alleviate the endemic water shortages. But as long as the state government insists on subsidizing its agriculture industry with cheap water, it'll result in water shortages for residents outside of the agricultural areas. That's what happens when you subsidize something - it distorts the economy causing shortages elsewhere.

  11. Re:The real problem is California selling its wate by istartedi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The real "real problem" is that California has too many people and too much agriculture using too much water.

    The highest estimate I could find of pre-contact population in California was about 700,000. Of course natives didn't use massive flood irrigation techniques, so the state's carrying capacity is probably much higher, but we're closing in on 40 million people here combined with an unsustainable Central Valley irrigation system that's already causing salination of the soil and draw-downs of aquifers to the point where land is subsiding.

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  12. Re:A state of permanent drought ? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    Not plenty of water. One year being drought free doesn't mean we can all go back to drenching the lawns like they were rice paddies and taking two hour showers.

  13. Re:Trump should take credit by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

    Obama, 06/03/2008: "This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and the planet began to heal."

    In reference to his nomination.

    He was not "taking credit" for those things. It was part of a rhetorical and aspirational invitation to the American public to mark the moment of his nomination as a call to the challenges ahead. In the context of the last paragraph of his address (shown below) he hardly sounds like he's full of himself.

    The journey will be difficult. The road will be long. I face this challenge with profound humility, and knowledge of my own limitations. But I also face it with limitless faith in the capacity of the American people. Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment - this was the time - when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals. Thank you, God Bless you, and may God Bless the United States of America.

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  14. Re:Trump should take credit by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

    So if a democrat does it, it's "aspirational". If a republican does it, it's racist/nazism/ignorance/etc.

    Something I did not say. Something I have not said, or even implied, ever. Be more creative with your strawmen.

    Got it. How about we just call it what it is, campaign rhetoric on BOTH sides.

    No, let's call it quoting out of context. Supply the context, and the false accusation self-destructs.

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