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Chicago To Shutdown Composting Business Because Regulations Don't Cover Worms (blockclubchicago.org)
schwit1 shared an article from Reason's "Volokh Conspiracy" blog:
Nature's Little Recyclers is a father-son business that does composting on empty residential lots, transforming organic waste into nutrient-rich soil. Last year, the business's worms processed 10 tons of banana peels and cups from the Chicago Marathon that would otherwise have gone to a landfill. But Chicago officials are going to shut the business down -- and not because the city doesn't think composting is a good thing (the city's sustainability website directs people to Nature's Little Recyclers). Rather, the city's business and zoning regulations weren't designed to accommodate small and innovative operations like Nature's Little Recyclers.
"None of these operations met the criteria for garden composting or an on-site organic waste composting operation," said Anel Ruiz, spokesperson for the Department of Public Health, in a statement to Block Club Chicago, adding "Further, these sites are not properly zoned for commercial composting."
But another perspective was shared by lawyer Amy Hermalik, associate director of the Institute for Justice Clinic on Entrepreneurship at the University of Chicago. "The city will unofficially imply there's wiggle room, saying it only enforces certain ordinances against 'bad operators,' but that leaves businesses subject to shifting political winds or personal whims, Hermalik said. 'They [the city] have an incredible amount of power to do as they please.'"
"None of these operations met the criteria for garden composting or an on-site organic waste composting operation," said Anel Ruiz, spokesperson for the Department of Public Health, in a statement to Block Club Chicago, adding "Further, these sites are not properly zoned for commercial composting."
But another perspective was shared by lawyer Amy Hermalik, associate director of the Institute for Justice Clinic on Entrepreneurship at the University of Chicago. "The city will unofficially imply there's wiggle room, saying it only enforces certain ordinances against 'bad operators,' but that leaves businesses subject to shifting political winds or personal whims, Hermalik said. 'They [the city] have an incredible amount of power to do as they please.'"
Is one of the largest issues with the economy today. I'm spitballing a bit, but I'd say half of the regulations are great and keep people safe and business operating properly. Half are protectionist, nonsensical, outdated or so broad or vague nobody knows how to follow them.
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"the city's business and zoning regulations weren't designed to accommodate" - So change them. Get a waiver from the city council, lobby, etc. You have to do these things to change existing legislation regardless of merit.
Public awareness is a key component. This article is part of that. This is how it begins to move, whether or not it attains the momentum required.
It's an unfortunate realization that the system isn't perfect and requires effort to change, but the (retarded) Libertarians will be sure to make their obsequious whining about government rants on this, no doubt.
Small business has a legitimate gripe, they're small and affording lobbying campaigns is impossible by comparison to big ones. Still the only solution remains the same, if they want to change the law in the current structure.
There's just no use whining about it because the existing plan didn't cover this contingency, there is no choice but to try to get it fixed - it's a long road to hoe, but it sure beats Libertarian fantasy-world anarchism rants, sheesh lol.
Selectively enforcing regulations and turning a blind eye towards violators of statutes that you agree with is the wrong approach.
The statutes should be updated to make proper allowances so that the composters are no longer considered to be in violation of regulations.
This is another example of how zoning and business regulations in the US have run amok where the default is that something can't happen. This is the same sort of trend that is making it so difficult to build even residential homes in the Bay Area and elsewhere. And this isn't a problem in many other parts of the world; look for example at how zoning in Japan functions based on nuisance level http://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/04/japanese-zoning.html. Not only does this sort of thing cause economic harm, not only does it unnecessarily restrict basic liberties, but it causes environmental damage by encouraging urban sprawl and interfering with businesses and ideas that are even slightly outside the ordinary in how they are trying to be helpful or reduce waste.
not "shutdown"
I get it.
There is probably some large, mob-owned trash business that is benefiting from this ruling. That's why the biggest line of business in the city is gangland shootings.
I have a feeling that soon after NLR goes out of business another company will find a loophole that the city gov't will allow. The hard part will be finding the connection between that new entity and whoever suggested to shut down NLR.
"The city will unofficially imply there's wiggle room, saying it only enforces certain ordinances against 'bad operators,' but that leaves businesses subject to shifting political winds or personal whims,"
So the real story here is the busses missed the subtle hints as to who they needed to pay off to let the business keep working.
Why anyone would start a business in Chicago of all places is beyond me, unless you were sure of profitability after paying out the substantial graft required.
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Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
We welcome change and openness; for we believe that freedom and security go together, that the advance of human liberty can only strengthen the cause of world peace. There is one sign the Chicago people can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. Chicago, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for Chicago and the world, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate, tear down these regulations!
A friend of mine ran a commercial building in Chicago. He was constantly getting fined for obscure and trivial building code violations, like a cracked window or burnt out light bulb (someone might trip and get hurt at night if they're walking around inside an unrented warehouse space where the lights aren't even turned on at night!). I happened to accompany him during one of the inspections, and it was obvious the inspector was expecting a bribe. He stated the problems he found and how much the fine would be, then he paused to give my friend a chance to respond. When my friend missed the unspoken message and asked how much time he would have to fix everything, the inspector didn't answer the question, reiterated the amount of the fine again, and paused. My friend's problem was that he was too principled to bribe anyone. It never even occurred to him that an inspector would expect a bribe.
That's probably what's going on here. The guy running this composting business either refused to or doesn't know he's supposed to bribe the city officials.
The real problem is that the laws nowadays are being applied selectively. Officials allow their political allies to violate the laws, but strictly enforce the same regulations against their political opponents. You can especially see this in the way that online mobs and violent protests are being dealt with: conservatives will excuse the alt-right mobs, and liberals will excuse the social justice mobs.
Personally, I feel that this should violate the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution, which guarantees all persons "equal protection of the laws".
Amateurs fail to read the zoning code.
Declare it a home farm-ish thing which creates it's own soil and sell the excess less than 'perfect' by product.
He was making a "guesstimate" and stated as such. That's not lying in the least. It's more accurate to claim you're lying by calling him a liar.
He could be right... Or he could be low... Or he could be high. I'd gamble he's right on or low.
Except when you're operating on the edge of a regulation you tend to do best explaining at least approximately what's really going on. "We are trying to clean the city" is approximately correct. "We are running some bizarre business that is completely different than what it looks like" is not approximately correct even though many people would buy the explanation.
Just how much do you think a composting business can be shook down for ?
We don't have private property rights. The state owns and controls everything and there are no more limits to state power now that all branches of government are working together against us.
At least he ADMITTED he was full of shit, that's almost refreshing here. Imagine if Kendall or "Shanghai" Bill were capable of that? I should give him more credit, true.
Credit from AC's. That, and a sack, is worth exactly the sack.
10 tons of bananas, one cup.
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They probably started a business there because that is where they happened to live.
Step 1) Have great idea for business.
Step 2) Move to some place where the government is not so corrupt they will be sure to eventually shut you down or bankrupt you.
Step 3) Profit.
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They say "these sites are not properly zoned for commercial composting" but "composting" is ultimately nothing more than letting nature take its course. It happens absolutely everywhere: an organic thing hits the dirt, that thing gets consumed and literally becomes the freaking dirt. I didn't realize that the fundamental way things work on this planet required permission from a zoning board, nor that worms give a crap about the board's opinion of their diet. This whole mess is a good example of why being strongly libertarian (small L, not the party, the political philosophy) is the only correct way to be. Government needs to be small and out of the way, especially considering we're in the most innovative and rapidly changing time period in the history of humanity.
You notice Chicago more because the mainstream media likes to cover it, that's all.
I'll give you the classic example I like to trout out from my little town. Down here there was a land owner who wanted some state trust land. Trust land, if you don't know, is when the state holds land in "trust" until a developer is ready to do something with it so they don't have to pay property tax in the meantime.
Anyway, this particular plot of land wasn't for sale, because it was full of an endangered species of goat. But that landowner wanted it. So what did he do? Bought a plot of land next to it, put up some rickety fences, put a bunch of sheep with syphilis on the land, waited for the sheep to jump said rickety fence and for the goats to do what goats do to sheep. The sheep had various immunities, the goats did not. Wasn't long and the goats were all dead. After that he got his land.
This is nothing new. Go drag your ass down to your local community college and pull up microfiche of the left wing rags in your local city and you'll find they're full of crap like this. Nobody cares and nobody does anything about it.
If you want crap like that to change you have to start voting and pay attention to who you vote for. And you have to vote in your primary. Otherwise the local businesses will just buy up the politicians. And local politicians are _cheap_.
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...what real difference does it make if they were placed in a landfill?
Unfortunately, the low-oxygen conditions inside landfills makes for a very poor environment for the aerobic bacteria that eat organic material like paper and plant waste. Without those bacteria and a good supply of fresh air, that waste won't decompose in a landfill much better than plastic.
That's one reason why worms are so important in composting. Their tunnels carry enough oxygen to keep the bacteria alive, reducing the need to constantly turn the soil.
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
That allows for and welcomes productive private sector work.
Set up the worms and grow a state that welcomes production and jobs.
A state and city where officials welcome jobs and support work.
Cities all over the USA that have regulations to attract new jobs.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Fucking moron
Here we have a situation in which officials consider rules more important than reality. All of the rules must be designed to serve people. When a rule does not serve it must be taken down.
The problem with composting is that it’s not commercially viable, hence why commercial com posters typically use heavy chemicals to ‘assist’ the process, they also concentrate a lot of the toxic waste like pesticides from the things they are composting and a commercial composting facility/process in a residential neighborhood will cause a lot of problems with odor or may even be outright dangerous.
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A sack is exactly 100% more than you've got... if you think I need to post some fake name to get your respect, then it's probably worth nothing also. Good luck finding your sack someday though.
In a landfill you get degraded biomass producing methane and um, not much else useful. It takes up landfill space (which is in short supply) and provides no benefit.
With a large composting operation, you get useful compost which can be sold or given to people trying to grow things. The same lots can be used to compost over and over again, since the end result is shipped to the happy recipients. No landfill space taken.
Ppl used to grow worms for fishing with inside of Chi-town back in the 60s.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
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Somebody simply forgot to pay off the local bureaucrat...
Hopefully Chicago will come to their senses and allow this to continue -- we need operations like this, in larger numbers even.
This is litteraly worm crap right? And they purchased undeveloped residential plots, and are making massive piles of this stuff? Compost stinks. I bet if this went up next door while you were trying to sell your house the value would drop 30%. How locally do they sell their worms and compost?
They were then selling all this stuff for a profit right? I didn't read anything that said they were a non-profit. So we are now demonizing the city for protecting neighborhoods from a corporation who are making crap (literally) to sell for a profit.... whats the problem?
and the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Like I said, the guy in my example committed a crime and got away with it because nobody particularly cared to prosecute him (nobody important anyway).
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... What mob-and-Chicago-City-Hall-connected enterprise wants to take over the composting business, and is using this to take out the competition?
Better than their traditional "break kneecaps" method, I suppose.