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Intel Says It Will Stop Developing Compute Cards

Intel will not develop new Compute Cards, the company said this week. From a report: Compute Cards were Intel's vision of modular computing that would allow customers to continually update point of sale systems, all-in-one desktops, laptops and other devices. Pull out one card, replace it with another, and you have a new CPU, plus RAM and storage. "We continue to believe modular computing is a market where there are many opportunities for innovation," an Intel spokesperson told Tom's Hardware. "However, as we look at the best way to address this opportunity, we've made the decision that we will not develop new Compute Card products moving forward. We will continue to sell and support the current Compute Card products through 2019 to ensure our customers receive the support they need with their current solutions, and we are thankful for their partnership on this change."

42 comments

  1. and I say so what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who cares

  2. because they SUCKED! by SirAstral · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I tried two different version of these and they sucked bad.

    Here are some examples of problems.
    The biggest problem is the terrible implementation. Nothing was planned for expansion. The USB ports were limited though understandble, but often had a weird problem. The devices emitted an EMI field that prevented many wireless keyboards and mice from working. Had to get an extension usb cable or dongle to bring them far enough away from the device to function.
    No flexible cabling to plug them into devices with limited profiles for their HDMI connectors and really the same for the other ports. They really should have broken out ports to allow for far more flexibility than they did. The NUC was not as bad as the Sticks because they had more surface area to work with but still found many problems with them.

    Their designs just kept them down and prevented them from being as useful as they could have been.

    1. Re: because they SUCKED! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your mom sucks too, but in a good way

    2. Re:because they SUCKED! by EvilSS · · Score: 4, Informative

      Are you confusing these for the compute sticks with the compute cards? The cards are different. They are basically a cartridge you plugged into a POS system, laptop, or all-in-one, or a little dock using their NexDock interface. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/boards-kits/compute-card.html

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    3. Re: because they SUCKED! by SirAstral · · Score: 2, Funny

      but still not as good as your dad does. You could probably learn a "trick" or two from him!

    4. Re: because they SUCKED! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, like how not to get your mom pregnant.

    5. Re: because they SUCKED! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you might be looking for GAYpk

    6. Re:because they SUCKED! by SirAstral · · Score: 1

      Fair point!

      I am reading into the "other compute card products" as also being part of the NUC's and Sticks lineup. So yea if those are not going to to be part of that then I might be unfairly bashing the compute cards. Hopefully your post is modded up so people are not unfairly biased by my post against the Cards. Though my thoughts on NUC and Stick's still stand.

    7. Re: because they SUCKED! by SirAstral · · Score: 3, Funny

      Was that YOUR dad? cause judging by the resulting child you are probably ugly as sin too, if feel sorry for ya! I don't blame you for posting as AC now!

    8. Re:because they SUCKED! by magarity · · Score: 1

      Nothing was planned for expansion.

      It looks like the worst part would be a windows based laptop or point of sale system would immediately complain that UEFI prevents the same installation booting up on an all new CPU/memory configuration.

    9. Re: because they SUCKED! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up, retard.

  3. I don't get this marketing double-speak by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 2

    On one side of their mouth they say "We continue to believe modular computing is a market where there are many opportunities for innovation." while the other side says they will no longer develop new Compute Cards."

    So, which is it Intel?
    Why not just be honest and say "We couldn't compete in this market/make enough money, so we're leaving it."

    I'd respect you more if you were honest.

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    1. Re:I don't get this marketing double-speak by mysidia · · Score: 2

      "We continue to believe modular computing is a market where there are many opportunities for innovation." while the other side says they will no longer develop new Compute Cards."
       
      So, which is it Intel?

      I'm not sure.... but Intel did just screw over any businesses who bought into the hardware that uses compute cards for investment protection with the expectation that the compute card model would basically guarantee future upgradeability (The major promise of modular computing!).

      Can't trust that promise when its controlled by one vendor (Intel), because Intel just discontinued any possibility of future upgrades to that hardware, and now the people who bought that hardware are screwed, since upgrading will now require a complete forklift.

      After getting screwed like that; businesses should not be so trusting of Intel's next "modular" solution either.

    2. Re:I don't get this marketing double-speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't doublespeak, it's more like "We're scrapping this implementation, but we still like the idea". They'll probably do some more R&D behind closed doors and perhaps come out with something else later. Thunderbolt, for example, is another variant in the same category, also made by Intel.

    3. Re:I don't get this marketing double-speak by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      On one side of their mouth they say "We continue to believe modular computing is a market where there are many opportunities for innovation." while the other side says they will no longer develop new Compute Cards."
      So, which is it Intel?
      Why not just be honest and say "We couldn't compete in this market/make enough money, so we're leaving it."

      All of those things can be true at the same time.

      How many passive backplane PCs have you seen? They are vanishingly rare, and consequently they come with substantial price penalties vs. ATX systems. They only make sense where space is intensely limited, or where motherboards get fried (or otherwise fail) regularly. And even then, they have to be low-power, because of power and cooling requirements. Most customers are better served by replacing whole PCs. The rest have time to swap motherboards.

      The market segment in question is minuscule. It's been destroyed on one side by cheap PCs, and on the other side by blade servers. It's also being nibbled away by ARM SBCs, on the bottom. It made no sense for Intel to get involved in it in the first place.

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    4. Re:I don't get this marketing double-speak by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Could be that they're working on a new product that's designed to replace this that they don't want to announce yet. At some point they need to tell current customers that the product lines they have no aren't going to see future iterations or extra development so that they can make business decisions of their own. I think that Intel is also working on restructuring their company after some of the setbacks they've had in the last few years, and as a result they may be stepping away from markets where they think there's opportunity for growth, but not a lot of value at the current moment as you point out.

      You might like them more for being honest and straightforward, but investors probably wouldn't. No one wants to see a big stock dip because the company didn't wrap up the bad news in enough euphemism.

    5. Re:I don't get this marketing double-speak by zarmanto · · Score: 1

      What they're saying is just PR speak, and probably has absolutely nothing to do with the market realities which prompted this decision. The most likely scenario is simply that someone else came into the market with a better product, and ate Intel's lunch. You don't keep making a product when nobody is buying it!

      I mean, just take a look at Intel's webpage for Compute Cards; I don't know if this was always the case, but the specs and prices of the offerings on that page right now strongly suggests that they were targeting low-end computing stations. (Which admittedly does make sense when we're talking about point-of-sale terminals and the like.) But maybe their target audience didn't actually want workstations which were so drastically restricted in performance... or at least, not at the prices that Intel wanted to charge.

      Of course, with that price bracket, it's also quite plausible that a fair portion of their target audience just went with tablets instead.

    6. Re:I don't get this marketing double-speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh man, we're sorry we don't have your respect, [random_slashtard]

      You really burnt our asses with your insight and high standards.

      -The folks at Intel

      P.S. We're just shitting you, dickface. We really don't give a fuck. LuLz!!!

    7. Re:I don't get this marketing double-speak by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 2

      The market segment in question is minuscule.

      No, it isn't. Embedded systems manufacturers, specifically POS and self-checkout system makers, would love to have a click-in forward-compatible compute subsystem. They didn't adopt Intel's platform because Intel has a long history of discontinuing embedded systems platforms with very little warning and no off-ramp. This is the rule, not the exception.

      It was only two years from the time Intel announced the kit until they will stop supporting them. The customers I work with expect a 5-7 year lifecycle out of this class of machine minimum. There is zero chance they are going to switch to a shiny new platform if a manufacturer isn't committed to it. That's why they still buy NCR's stuff. It's not spectacular, it's not even good in many cases. That said you can trust that they will support it until the cows come home.

    8. Re: I don't get this marketing double-speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I only trust modular if there's an open standard for it so other companies could step in to pick up the business. Otherwise it's the same lock in as any non-modular product. And these days companies are very quick to drop products.

    9. Re:I don't get this marketing double-speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Both can be true. Intel has over ten thousand of these cards in stock. At the current shipping rate, they will continue to sell them for the the next nine thousand or so quarters.

      But these are/were basically worse than $200 low end netbooks, that cost more, and require an even more expensive dock. Essentially it is a bigger, more expensive, less useful, less portable version of Windows Continuum form the Windows phones.

      If you are in an MS environment, they were and still are amazing work devices (and will be until 1/2020 anyway when security updates stop). Having a trustworthy BUILT-IN RDC and VPN app is so nice.

    10. Re:I don't get this marketing double-speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or honest version would be; "please buy remaining of our inventories while they last and do not return the devices you jut bought. We have already dropped any support for them, so thanks for the money, but screw you, suckers!"

  4. Raspberry Pi by DrYak · · Score: 2

    ...and meanwhile, the raspberry pi lives...

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    1. Re:Raspberry Pi by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even though everyone on Slashdot says "the raspberry pi sucks!" Yeah, well, guess what? They start at $5.

    2. Re:Raspberry Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Broadcom, need i say more.

    3. Re:Raspberry Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone on Slashdot doesn't know their ass from a whore in the ground.

    4. Re:Raspberry Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has nothing to do with their development kits, moron. At least read the first three sentences of the article.

      And if it weren't for Retro Pi they would have sold about 2000 of them and roughly 1900 of those would currently be collecting dust in the basement corner.

  5. This is Intel's problem in a nutshell by timholman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Intel doesn't want to compete in low-margin product areas where it can only make a few dollars off each sale. Intel wants to sell expensive desktop and laptop processors where it is the only supplier, and rake in the profits. That is the market that made Intel what it is today, and is also very clearly the type of business that its current management wants to pursue. Managing a low-margin product line must be career suicide at Intel.

    This is why Intel abandoned the IoT and the Arduino-style computer markets (e.g. the Galileo). There's no money to be made in them (by their standards). I accepted some donated Galileo boards from Intel, and tried in vain for months to get them to provide some additional parts. Every few months when I emailed an engineer, he had moved on to another department within Intel. The Galileo product line had the stench of death on it from the very beginning.

    1. Re:This is Intel's problem in a nutshell by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Intel doesn't want to compete in low-margin product areas where it can only make a few dollars off each sale. Intel wants to sell expensive desktop and laptop processors where it is the only supplier, and rake in the profits.

      Actually, the real money is in the server market. Low-end desktops don't rake in much cash either but the high-end ones are far more profitable.

      Intel is really killing everything that isn't a real money maker because they are losing money on them due to that fact that there is real competition in these sectors from non-x86 chips. Intel is suffering mostly because of their (relatively) high prices and fierce NDA policies which drive people to competitors.

      Intel's real innovation has always been in anti-competitive behavior so when they are unable to rig the game, they fold.

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    2. Re:This is Intel's problem in a nutshell by caseih · · Score: 1

      Which is unfortunate. I would much prefer standard x86 ISA in a Pi form factor (at similar price point of course) over ARM. I'm tired of dealing with custom linux distros with random binary blobs, and oddball boot loaders. Even if U-Boot is fairly ubiquitous it's not easy like sticking a usb stick in a PC and telling it to boot it to install Linux.

      No long ago I replaced my little ARM-based router computer with a much more expensive but tiny Intel computer (not a NUC, it's even smaller). It is just easier to run a standard distro, and provides a lot more cpu power for running some web filtering software, along with a bunch of other LAN-facing services. Sure I can do it on the ARM system (except the web filtering... never seemed to work very well for whatever reason), but it's just easier with the new Intel box.

    3. Re:This is Intel's problem in a nutshell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NUC was always overpriced hardware. When anyone can go on Amazon right now and buy a fanless mini PC that has Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, a few GB RAM, and storage for $200 and it works, there's little point to paying the Intel tax. I'm not certain the Win 10 Pro license is legit though - the setup seemed a bit sketchy and the one paragraph EULA read like a bulk OEM Enterprise license rather than a genuine Windows desktop license. It runs just fine though, so I won't complain.

    4. Re:This is Intel's problem in a nutshell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But there really isn't money in IoT or Arduino. Look at all the Arduino copies that are out there and the plethora of raspberry pi clones. At $35, raspberry pi is not making much money. The Chinese are creating tons of cheap clones, can't compete with that. Why waste time, energy, money, resources on low profit when they can focus on high profit markets?

    5. Re:This is Intel's problem in a nutshell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why does NDA drive people to competitors?

    6. Re:This is Intel's problem in a nutshell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But mostly people are dumping Intel because their products are shitty.

    7. Re:This is Intel's problem in a nutshell by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      It's an indirect effect. NDAs ensure that hobbyist communities (which are basically free advertisement, support and software development) are DOA. Being well supported is what really matters, so the onus falls entirely on the chip maker. Generally chip makers have really shitty support compared to communities and Intel is no exception.

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  6. ALL of Intel's x86 chips are fatally faulty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Remember Netburst- the dreadful Intel x86 architecture all tech sites (including this one) promised readers were the only future - especially since Intel promised to hit 10GHz with its very long pipeline design?

    The shilling hid the fact that netburst was a disaster- which Intel could no longer hide when AMD invented x64 and true dual core x64 chips. Intel went back to the Pentium 3 design, crossed it with the best AMD had (legal via cross patent agreements), and made the 'winning' multicore 'Core 2' (now Core) architecture.

    Jost ONE thing. This new architecture was always a sack of cheating sh-t. Why? Cos all thread memory access security was missing- by design. Proper multi-core/multi-threading chips must implement "lock and key' where every thread has an id number used to unlock access to appropriate memory resources using an actual physical (transistor) circuit.

    But 'lock and key' increases memory latency, power usage, and thus reduces max clocks. By going the NSA friendly route, Intel gained better performance while tech 'journalists' carefully avoided mentioning this fatal flaw for more than a decade.

    This flaw cannot be fixed accept by running only ONE thread on the Intel CPU, and flushing on-chip memory resources when the multi-tasking time-slice OS swaps threads. Guess how much slower this would make your Intel chip run?

    Meanwhile AMD's Zen fully implements 'lock and key'. No known exploits based on Intel's fault have ever been shown on Zen.

    If and when Intel releases a new architecture with proper thread security (not for at least THREE years), Intel would then declare all earlier Intel CPUs as "not fit for purpose" and Microsoft and Linux will patch older (all Intel chips used today) parts to run at between 30-10% of their performance today. Not 10% off. 10% (1 tenth) of todays's performance. Yes, it is that bad. Obviously when Intel has 'fixed' chips, Intel with have no incentive to maintain the lie.

    Today it should be illegal for any sensitive corporation or government department to use Intel x86 CPUs. But Intel links to a certain vile nation that has total control over the governments of the West, so Intel considers itself fully 'protected'.

    1. Re:ALL of Intel's x86 chips are fatally faulty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Intel links to a certain vile nation that has total control over the governments of the West

      Shhh...you're liable to make the happy merchants angry.

  7. They made a product for easy upgrades by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    to systems people never upgrade. Seriously, it was for stuff like Point of Sale and cheap laptops. Folks don't upgrade those unless the system breaks, catches fire, burns to ashes and a dog sneezes on the ashes. If it's a cat they might still call in IT to fix it (smaller sneeze).

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  8. New website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe there ought to be a new website: killedbyintel.com

  9. Translation by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1
    we are thankful for their partnership on this change.

    we Thank for their buying all new systems due to this change.

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  10. The market that made Intel what it is today... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They ceded to the chinese around 10-15 years ago when they dropped all their embedded products departments, including high volume low margin items like i8051s, memory chips, the majority of flash products, etc.

    What many people forget is that Intel used to be the FIRST SOURCE for a little big of everything, having rushed to the forefront of process technology and staggered their product lines so as processes became obsolete they could move their older designs onto newer processes while their newest designs were taped out on the bleeding edge processes, first RAM or Flash to validate a new process, then when yields were high enough, CPUs before eventually passing on to consumer/commercial low margin parts, with the industrial editions remaining on larger more mature processes that met the reliability requirements for industrial and military grade customers.

    Giving up all that is directly what lead to Intel's current predicament, in exchange for making profits look better to shareholders while effectively slitting their own wrists.

    There was all that talk about bringing tech back onshore in America. Intel *HAD* most of that capability in the states up until that embedded divestiture. Most of those older processes were already in US fabs, some of them dating back multiple generations of processes.