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Windows 10 Calculator Will Soon Be Able To Graph Math Equations (zdnet.com)

Earlier this month, Microsoft made the source code for its Windows calculator available on GitHub. This has spurred developers to add new features to the app, like a new graphing mode that will make its way to the official Windows Calculator app. The "Graphing Mode" is one of 30+ suggestions that open-source contributors have proposed so far. The ZDNet reports: As its name implies, Graphing Mode will allow users to create graphs based on mathematical equations, in a similar way to Matlab's (way more advanced) Plotting Mode. The feature was proposed by Microsoft engineer Dave Grochocki, also a member of the Windows Calculator team. In a GitHub issue Grochocki submitted to support his proposal, he argued that a graphing mode would help students learn algebra easier.

"High school algebra is the gateway to mathematics and all other disciplines of STEM," Grochocki said. "However, algebra is the single most failed course in high school, as well as the most failed course in community college." By adding a Graphing Mode to Windows Calculator, an app included with all Windows 10 versions, the Microsoft engineer hopes to provide students and teachers with a free tool to help schools across the world.
"Physical graphing calculators can be expensive, software solutions require licenses and configuration by school IT departments, and online solutions are not always an option," he added. "Graphing capabilities in their daily tools are essential for students who are beginning to explore linear algebra as early as 8th grade. [...] At present, Windows Calculator does not currently have the needed functionality to meet the demands of students."

There's no timeline for when the new graphing mode will arrive, but it should arrive soon.

130 comments

  1. cool... but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice idea, but oversold. This is not going to change the world.

    1. Re:cool... but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's scummy as fuck. Microsoft releases their calculator as "open source" but it will only run on Windows 10 and it has built-in spyware. How much you want to bet that modifying it to be compatible with past version of Windows and stripping out the spyware are against the M$-GPL?

  2. Heh... by Pezbian · · Score: 2

    "Nobody carries a calculator wherever they go." -- every math teacher in history
    My Dad's cellphone already had a calculator in the early 90s.

    I'm sure TI will figure out plenty of ways to force a $100+ price on 1980s technology.

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    1. Re:Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah you know truth, I can't believe that T1 is still able to sell those things, smacks of some conspiracy

      but seriously, educators are the worst at being so behind the times. I happened to see the IT related curricula for a nearby college recently where they still teach web related courses based on technology from 15 years ago. And I know, their response would be "we don't teach tools, we teach skills" but the reality is you use tools to teach those skills so you might as well use tools that are at least reasonably up to date when we all know that the real reason is because your professors can't be bothered to keep up with the times

    2. Re:Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whether he actually said it or not, Einstein was right when he said "why bother memorizing something you can easily look up?"

      the USA high school program needs a total overhaul, frankly we should be doing more to teach "civics" so that kids come out of school knowing both their rights and responsibilities as citizens, "life skills" like how to manage a household, finance (esp taxes), basic repairs (at least understand enough to know who to call when something breaks), cooking, cleaning, how to look for a job, etc, etc, etc, sex & relationship education, and omg just a zillion actually useful things

      and while we're add it, we need to do away with grades as they currently exist, kids need to learn the things that we need to teach them and they either meet the requirements or not, so everything should be pretty much pass/fail. the current grading system is a crock of arbitrary bullshit anyway

      and for that matter, public free education should start being available at age 2, year round and become compulsory at age 3

    3. Re:Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use a TI-89 emulator on my phone to get a halfway decent calculator, but I've also paid for several physical ones and keep one on the bench at all times.

      There's no substitute for a well-designed calculator.

    4. Re:Heh... by Dunbal · · Score: 1, Insightful

      My Dad's cellphone already had a calculator in the early 90s.

      And now you have an entire generation that can't multiply 8 x 6 in their head.

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    5. Re:Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      omg just a zillion actually useful things

      Like faggots in drag reading stories about sex to elementary school children.

    6. Re:Heh... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Calculator watches were popular in the 70s and 80s. Far more ever-present and close at hand than a phone.

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    7. Re: Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Raise your hand if you actually made the calculation.

    8. Re: Heh... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      *Raises hand.*

      48, incidentally.

    9. Re: Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Didn't know if it was Base 10 or Hex multiplication, so I did both.

    10. Re:Heh... by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      "the USA high school program needs a total overhaul, frankly we should be doing more to teach "civics" so that kids come out of school knowing both their rights and responsibilities as citizens,"

      This was a requirement in middle school. To know both the US and State Constitution. A state requirement in Illinois and it was expanded on as a requirement in high school with American history.

        "life skills" like how to manage a household, finance (esp taxes), basic repairs (at least understand enough to know who to call when something breaks), cooking, cleaning, how to look for a job, etc, etc, etc"

      There are classes on many of these things offered in high school and middle school. Home Ec, various shop classes, business math, etc. But honestly the best place to learn these things isn't in school it is from your parents. School is not intended to be a one stop shop for everything you need to learn in life.

      What they are missing in high school is "Critical Thinking" except perhaps as part of a debate extra curricular. The last thing they want is students knowing how to frame good arguments. Basic repairs is something school isn't going to help with, youtube and the internet do the job just fine if someone can get over their fear of TRYING.

    11. Re: Heh... by brunnegd · · Score: 1

      Yes, HP!

  3. That calculator by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    is a fucking joke. My work laptop has a 4k display and the windows calculator damn near takes up the entire screen.

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    1. Re: That calculator by eggz128 · · Score: 1

      Resize it to something appropriate by dragging a corner. Then close it. Reopen. Done (it remembers the last used size).

    2. Re:That calculator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so u need our reading or bifocal glasses to use yheir shitty GUI.
      Microsoft:+1
      Spazmatics:-1

    3. Re: That calculator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not gonna be dragging any corners, meathead! You think I'm one of them drag green street hookers?

    4. Re: That calculator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a bigger screen so you can do bigger calculations, you largeintestinehead.

    5. Re:That calculator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your knowledge of computers is the fucking joke.

  4. Notepad Next by mentil · · Score: 2

    What I'd REALLY like is for MS to open-source Notepad. That's in more dire need of new features than the (now quite decent) Calculator app is.

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    1. Re:Notepad Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Just use notepad++, like eveyone else. no need for microsoft to re invent the wheel.

    2. Re:Notepad Next by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      What I'd REALLY like is for MS to open-source Notepad

      Please post some code excerpts when MS does. We all need a good laugh.

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    3. Re:Notepad Next by sheramil · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Notepad should remain as just something to create, edit or view text files. It does not need to be able to insert video files or java apps, it does not need a calendar / reminder option and it sure as God-damned fucking hell doesn't need to be part of any social media shit, pardon my French there. It is fine as it is. Leave it alone.

    4. Re:Notepad Next by gigne · · Score: 1

      I'd like better line break handling. Nothing more

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    5. Re:Notepad Next by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      It isn't even good at that. For example, it only just gained the ability to handle UNIX line endings and it still doesn't have multi-level undo.

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    6. Re: Notepad Next by aglider · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Forget about that.
      Maybe MS will buy notepad++.
      It's the normal MS strategy: don't do anything meaningful, do nonsense.

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    7. Re:Notepad Next by Dunbal · · Score: 0

      If you can't write your own better version of Notepad in 30 mins you don't belong on this site.

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    8. Re:Notepad Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've used ConTEXT Editor for years. Lightweight, supports everything I need in an editor, including a block edit mode for those familiar with Vim.

    9. Re:Notepad Next by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      If you can't write your own better version of Notepad in 30 mins you don't belong on this site.

      I didn't know this was a coders-only website with a test to get in.

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    10. Re:Notepad Next by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      If you can't write your own better version of Notepad in 30 mins you don't belong on this site.

      It would take more than 30 minutes to find and install a compiler that works on windows.

      In Tk in Python on Linux, probably, but I have better things to do.

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    11. Re:Notepad Next by CaseCrash · · Score: 1

      Notepad is, and always has been, just a skeleton window frame around a text control. It's just an easy way to massively test an important ui element.

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    12. Re:Notepad Next by LoneBoco · · Score: 1

      Windows 10 Notepad is already able to handle Unix line endings.

    13. Re: Notepad Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real programmers use vi.

    14. Re:Notepad Next by xlsior · · Score: 1

      The notepad source is literally one paragraph: create a window, slap in a standard windows text field widget, and have a pulldown menu with the load/save dialog box.

      If you want more features, either use wordpad or one of the bazillion free download alterantives like pspad, notepad++, etc.

    15. Re:Notepad Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Create an improved alternative if you want, but leave notepad itself as is.

    16. Re:Notepad Next by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why? Windows comes shipped with a more capable text editor already. Why mess with the simple one? Are you that desperate for bugs that you need to start messing with probably the most reliable piece of software on a computer?

      Do you also complain that nano doesn't support syntax highlighting?

    17. Re:Notepad Next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you might be shocked to discover just how many lines of code there are in (the source code to) Notepad.exe, not including all of the win32 stuff it obviously imports and uses.

      Also... Microsoft has a “Calculator *TEAM*”? Jesus... an undergraduate intern (or high school student for that matter) should be able to whip-up a .NET-based Calc.exe in an afternoon. A week to make it uncrashable, maybe. WTF do they need a whole team of people for? I guess I just don’t understand business...

    18. Re: Notepad Next by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 1

      Maybe MS will buy notepad++

      As it is GPL, Microsoft could only buy the Notepad++ brand, not the code itself.

      The smart thing to do would be to replace the current Notepad with Notepad++'s code, under a different name, with credits to Notepad++.

  5. I can see it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All points on the graph randomly fluctuates up and down around the answers as it attempts to guess the answer. Just like file time estimate in the copy dialog,

  6. Huh? by Barny · · Score: 1

    The "Graphing Mode" is one of 30+ suggestions that open-source contributors have proposed so far.

    The feature was proposed by Microsoft engineer Dave Grochocki, also a member of the Windows Calculator team.

    Err, so was he a Microsoft engineer who was already working on the calculator program, or was he an open-source contributor (while I understand he could be both, it's highly misleading to state the former since it engenders a sense that the proposer was actually an individual outside of the dev team working on the program).

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    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They still have a Windows Calculator team and had to opensource their code to get a graphing mode? What have they been doing all these years?

    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Calculating...

  7. Linear algebra in the 8th grade? by fredrated · · Score: 1

    Algebra and linear algebra aren't the same thing.

    1. Re:Linear algebra in the 8th grade? by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      This refers to more primary scholastic algebra of course. It is not the same as linear algebra but in basic ways that earliest form is closer to algebra.

    2. Re:Linear algebra in the 8th grade? by quenda · · Score: 1

      When learning algebra, you start with simple linear equations, like y = 2x + 3. I guess that's what they mean.

    3. Re:Linear algebra in the 8th grade? by Bomazi · · Score: 1

      This is an affine equation, not a linear equation.

    4. Re:Linear algebra in the 8th grade? by Bomazi · · Score: 1

      Forget this comment. It is 100% incorrect.

    5. Re:Linear algebra in the 8th grade? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 0

      You meant 'a fine' equation, not affine.

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    6. Re: Linear algebra in the 8th grade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If i had stuck it out through diff-Eqs, I would have been about to make a long, elaborate joke here about an equine equation.

      That's about the only time I regretted not burning that semester on that one class though.

  8. Like solitaire by qubezz · · Score: 2

    And it can be ad-free for just $10 a year...

  9. Amazing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wrote a function graphing program when I was in high school. Should've told the press.

  10. Redmond, start your photocopiers by Tom · · Score: 2, Informative

    You mean windows will get a feature that's been built-in to every Mac I've ever owned?

    (to those who don't own a Mac - I'm speaking of Grapher).

    So amazing... so revolutionary... please do let me know when windows get another feature that real operating systems have had for a quarter century.

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    1. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well, they added some kind of linux change root environment a year ago ...

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    2. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      please do let me know when windows get another feature that real operating systems have had for a quarter century.

      That has been the case for many things, for decades. The question is: why everyone got (and still is) stuck with Windows?

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    3. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by Kokuyo · · Score: 1

      Because MacOS is a pain in the ass. It's that simple.

      Look, if it works for you then great. It doesn't for me. And it doesn't for a lot of other people as well. For some it doesn't work, because they are too stupid and for others it doesn't work because IT is too stupid.

      Fact is there is no good OS on the market. They just all suck for different reasons.

    4. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by aix+tom · · Score: 1

      MS is *way* ahead of you.

      They already had it, discontinued it in 2011, and now re-inventing it. (Unfortunately still without Blackjack and Hookers.)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    5. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Because MacOS is a pain in the ass. It's that simple.
      If you are a windows user, then there is actually not much of a difference.

      Fact is there is no good OS on the market. They just all suck for different reasons.
      Perhaps you are mixing up UI with OS?

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    6. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by Tom · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected. They had a first version in 2006, only 12 years after Apple. :-)

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    7. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by Tom · · Score: 1

      Because MacOS is a pain in the ass. It's that simple.

      It's actually not so simple.

      I've seen first hand making people transitions between OSes in many cases and in practically every direction. I think OSX to Linux is the only direction I've not seen happen.

      There is always the pain of things just being different than you are used to. That happens no matter from which OS you switch to which other OS. It even happens to a smaller extend between major versions of the same OS (we all remember the crying and shouting when Windows 10 appeared).

      So if you are a life-long Windows user and you sit down for half an hour in front of MacOS or Linux or anything else, yes it will feel like a pain in the ass. The same way that for me Windows is the worst user interface that you can possibly invent. I mean, it has things I wouldn't have come up with if someone had specifically tasked me with making it as bad as possible. And I've seen the same initial feelings for people moving from Linux to OSX or from Windows to Linux.

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    8. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Windows is the worst user interface that you can possibly invent.

      That's funny. And Mac OS just recently got the ability to be able to resize a window from not just one corner. Apple still haven't quite figured out how the maximize/minimize/close gadgets on windows are suppose to work. "About this software..." is still the first thing on the first menu because it's *really* the most useful menu option... right? There are just so many bad user interface choices in OSX. I won't even get started on the abomination that is "Finder". Apple really know how to make a crap UI, and after decades they keep getting it wrong.

    9. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Classic OS had a graphing calculator too, since 1994.

      Grapher really is nice though. Unfortunately it's a bit hidden, so not a lot of people know it exists.

    10. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      As soon as they start porting engineering software to MacOS people will use it. SolidWorks would be a good start.

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    11. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I use all three regularly. OS X to Linux is fairly trivial. The GUIs are pretty much all equivalent, although Microsoft likes to screw with it every once in a while and then relent and put it back.

      If you're doing any kind of scientific computing, Linux or OS X are both fine, Windows is a big disadvantage. Lots of projects aren't really supported on Windows. If you play games, the opposite is true.

    12. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I think OSX to Linux is the only direction I've not seen happen.

      It's a little annoying at first, but absolutely worth the effort.

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    13. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of revolutionary features, when is Windows going to get grep?

    14. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by chispito · · Score: 1

      Speaking of revolutionary features, when is Windows going to get grep?

      https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/microsoft.powershell.utility/select-string?view=powershell-6

      Or if you're biased against object oriented languages and want to go farther back https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/windows-commands/findstr.

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    15. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by tepples · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of ways to run GNU grep on Windows. Among these are MSYS, Cygwin, and Windows 10's WSL. I think I first experienced MSYS around 2003 or so, when the installer for devkitARM included it.

    16. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even good o'l Gnuplot has done function graphing since the 80s.

      And it scripts really well with BASH/TCSH/etc... Oy, Microsoft, reinventing... Ya know, I just can't even go there anymore. It's just too sad.

    17. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Better question, why does the inclusion of an app that can draw a line make an OS "real". You have strange priorities, and clearly so does MS.

    18. Re:Redmond, start your photocopiers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  11. Windows filling out features for MacOS8.6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Slowly but surely MS is catching up. XD lul.

  12. A WAY TO INSERT BACKDOORS TO WINDOWS??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now all expert hackers in the world can directly insert their own secret backdoors (in the form of extremely hard to catch superbugs) to Windows source code???

  13. They already have it? by abelenky17 · · Score: 2

    Microsoft already has Microsoft Mathematics (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=15702), that does exactly this, and a lot more.

    1. Re:They already have it? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      How does that compare to, say, Wolfram alpha ?

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    2. Re:They already have it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Last update was 8 years ago, and the systems requirements say it only works on XP and Windows 7. It doesn't look like it's being maintained.

    3. Re:They already have it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and a lot more.

      Because it contains the '.Net Framework 3.5' virus.

  14. Re:Slashdot is already able to graph SWASTIKAS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wrong.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/22/special-counsel-mueller-has-no-sealed-indictments-as-russia-probe-ends-nbc-news.html

  15. Re: Death Be Not Proud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heh heh. If ever there is an Internet Screwball Hall of Fame, Theo "Teddy Boy" The Rat belongs in the top 10.

  16. It will also soon be able to... by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

    Mine bitcoin for me!

    1. Re:It will also soon be able to... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Not for you, for Microsoft. But I ought to inform you that your computer has been mining bitcoin for me for a year now.

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  17. It'd be like adding a "DOOM mode"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... to minesweeper! 8)

    Microsoft. Shrivel up and die. Pretty Please!

  18. It's easier to add new feature than fix old issues by SurenEnfiajyan · · Score: 1

    Yeah, it's much easier to do creative things by adding shiny new features. But what about fixing the horribly inconsistent GUI, old bugs and doing proper QA? It seems that MS stopped caring seriously about its users and fired people from the QA department. Now the user is the tester. Of course, there is LTSB, but even there most of the shit still remains. I'm not implying that Google or others are much better, but this company cares about quality and I haven't seen Android/Chrome/Chrome OS having such horrible bugs and user interface inconsistencies.

  19. Also... by Richard+Kirk · · Score: 1

    Also for your consideration...

    gnuplot : user-friendly as a cornered rat, but powerful. I use it for roughing out functions for work, and producing .eps graphs for papers.

    octave: freeware Matlab. I use this a lot for prototyping.

    1. Re:Also... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      user-friendly as a cornered rat, but powerful
      oO!
      A phrase I need to remember ... reminds me about GIMP :P

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    2. Re:Also... by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      gnuplot : user-friendly as a cornered rat, but powerful.

      Also Geogebra which is designed for education and thus is more of a fluffy guinea-pig in a nice spacious cage, but watch your fingers, because it also does interactive geometry and can be used to set up nice geometric models. My test is always, will it draw a circle if you type Y^2+y^2=1

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    3. Re:Also... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I'd probably find Maxima more useful than Octave, unless I'd have to do some heavy numerical linear algebra.

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  20. y= x+2 by aglider · · Score: 1

    The graph plotted into that linked page is scary.
    The BSOD of math!

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    1. Re:y= x+2 by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Try a simpler equation.

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  21. Plotting calculators not expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought a used TI-85 calculator for 25€ a few years ago. This new feature in calc is wonderful, but it's not like you're not able to buy a portable calculator because the price is too high.

  22. Microsoft to abandon Windows 10 by xack · · Score: 1

    All resources are now going on to CalculatorOS.

  23. a graphing calculator.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is NOT needed for high school algebra... nor for simple first-year college algebra classes.

    they won't help students in the "most failed" course in high school. kids either get it or they don't.. and if they don't, they either care enough to get help, or they don't. surprise.. a lot of kids just don't give a shit.

    and one could argue that graphing calculators aren't needed at all. in ANY mathematics course at ANY level.

  24. Powertoy Calculator by dpru · · Score: 1

    So far although I have seen people mention the already-existing Microsoft Mathematics, I havenâ(TM)t seen anyone mention the Microsoft Powertoy Calculator that has existed since Windows XP: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...

  25. Hey Microsoft... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    ... forget the fancy stuff. Just focus on delivering a secure, reliable operating system that you are able to update without bricking my PC. Is that too much to ask? Based upon the past couple of years, apparently, yes it is too much to ask.

  26. How about fix notepad first by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    so it can actually display unix text files. I mean, it has only been 40 years....

    1. Re:How about fix notepad first by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:How about fix notepad first by sproketboy · · Score: 1

      So I have to wait until the next windows. FAIL.

  27. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just use other free and open source calculators that already exist and make those better. Why reinvent the wheel on a skimpy foundation?

  28. Re:No windows 10 in Federal prison by paazin · · Score: 1

    No windows 10 in Federal prison

    Sorry Trump traitors.

    Actually, I'm pretty sure US prison computer systems either do make use of Windows 10 or are transitioning to it.

  29. They've had one for years... by sconeu · · Score: 1

    There was a graphing calculator in the Power Toys. Why don't they just make that the default calculator?

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  30. Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There have been better alternatives for decades. Try xcas/giac. There's even an Android port. And that's just one of many.

  31. They already do by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    TI just says you can't use your phone because you might cheat. They also spend a bunch of time/money training the teachers. You can use a $50 Casio but if you get stuck and don't know how to access a feature you need then unless your teacher kicks more ass than Mr T you're SOL. And if all else fails they buy off the schoolboards.

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    1. Re:They already do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, TI doesn't say that. Schools say that. Stop leaving your head up your ass.

      You're like those retarded fucks who claim that it's the pharmaceutical industry that "makes patients." What makes patients is the bitches who think that 2 liter of cola, a half pound of bacon and a pack of smokes a day is a god-given right instead of a formula for disaster.

      Smartphones can be used to cheat. TI takes advantage of the need for non-internet devices with those particular functions, yes. But they're not forcing schools to eliminate smartphone use.

  32. Something that power Macs had in the 90's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    All PowerPC Macs in the 90's shipped with Ron Avitzur's Graphing Calculator which was an AMAZING software that, in my opinion, really set apart the Mac from the Windows PC in terms of educational usefulness out-of-the-box. It's sad Windows did not quickly learn from this and include a graphing calculator functionality in their PC's at that time. By the way I highly recommend Graphing Calculator for PC or Mac, still a great program and still available (although I wish it would improve the zoom, extents, rotate and pan functions for 3D graphs to act more like 3D modelling software, but that is the only issue I have with it).

  33. 1985 by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    "Windows 10 Calculator Will Soon Be Able To Graph Math Equations"

    1985 called, they want their groundbreaking functionality back.

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  34. Mac os had this back in the mid 90's! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    Mac os had this back in the mid 90's!
    https://www.pacifict.com/Story...

  35. RPN by clifwlkr · · Score: 2

    How about adding an RPN mode? I know it is not that popular, but I still prefer it for rapid calculations in chains. So much quicker to type and figure out the numbers as you go along then adding all the parens, etc.

  36. Linear often means affine by tepples · · Score: 2

    "Linear" means different things in different contexts. In high school, a "linear equation" in fact means affine equation. "Linear" doesn't gain the specialized meaning related to the superposition principle until college.

  37. Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do the un-thinkable . . . Open Source Windows!

  38. I cannot help to imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... that throw-out-of-building cartoon along the lines:

    Boss -- Open Source works, folks. Someone is making the calculator better.
    Guy at the end of the table -- Hey, Open Source could make Windows work!
    Boss (*looks not amused*)
    Guy is thrown out of the building / into outer space / whatever

  39. What's VERY old is new again by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Seriously? Apple had this capability for something like 25 years now.

  40. Pfft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've had that capability with many other software for years and all for free. Again, thanks for nothing Microsoft.

  41. microsoft mathematics exist so they just merge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    microsoft mathematics exist so they just merge

  42. Only Calculators (Not computers) allowed in exams by aberglas · · Score: 1

    That is why students still buy limited graphics calculators.

    The question arises as to why they use calculators at all in exams. I do know that I try to stop my kids from reaching for one when calculating 3 * 7, say.

  43. Re:It's easier to add new feature than fix old iss by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    What's inconsistent about the UI? What bugs haven't they fixed? How little have you paid attention? Don't answer that last one, it's obvious that you haven't paid attention or you'd realise that the biggest bugs (math bugs) in the calculator were fixed with the rewrite it received.

    But then you're not actually talking about the calculator, you're just using yet another excuse to complain about something irrelevant under the impression that every man down to the janitor and their dog on the MS campus is somehow responsible specifically for Windows 10 right?

  44. That burned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That burned in what, 1998 or so?

    Apple used to offer distinctive value at a premium price. Now? Not so much.

    These days Apple is the company that tells you how much RAM you need. Or whether you can get an SSD. Or that you don't want an NVIDIA GPU. Or that you're holding it wrong. Or that your keyboard failing is your fault.

    Maybe, then, stow the Apple arrogance.

  45. Re:Only Calculators (Not computers) allowed in exa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It really depends upon where.

    As an engineering undergraduate, we were allowed laptops running symbolic algebra systems (in our case, Maple — a package similar to MatLab/Mathematica) during exams. They don’t help at all if you don’t know what the hell you are doing, and you can solve much bigger problems with that kind of force multiplier.

    Besides, in the “real world,” you’re going to use systems like that to help you get your math right anyway so you’d better learn to use them correctly.

    This was 20 years ago. Now, my kids have iPads in elementary school (which I think is a mistake, for many reasons). But the days of taking exams with just a No. 2 pencil and your wits (and whatever you can scrawl on the inside of your arm) are likely over.