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GoFundMe Bans Anti-Vaccine Campaigns (slashgear.com)
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Crowdfunding platform GoFundMe has banned campaigns that seek funds for spreading misinformation related to vaccines, the company has revealed. The platform has been used in the past by anti-vaxxers as part of their mission to promote conspiracy theories related to supposed health issues caused by vaccinations. Current campaigns in violation of this new rule will be removed.
GoFundMe has previously faced controversy for allowing anti-vax campaigns on the platform, including late last year when a mother sought funds for a custody battle allegedly intending to, in part, prevent her kids from being vaccinated. An increasing number of tech companies have cracked down on anti-vaccination content, including Facebook and Pinterest, and now GoFundMe is among them.
GoFundMe has previously faced controversy for allowing anti-vax campaigns on the platform, including late last year when a mother sought funds for a custody battle allegedly intending to, in part, prevent her kids from being vaccinated. An increasing number of tech companies have cracked down on anti-vaccination content, including Facebook and Pinterest, and now GoFundMe is among them.
Seriously, these crazies think their precious free speech protects them from consequences of their stupid actions at endangering their kids' life.
Autism has always been around, it was simply never diagnosed as such in the past. These days, every little thing a child does that is somewhat out of normal is considered to be somewhere on the autism scale. Let kids be kids damn it.
Not sure where you're hanging out, but I've yet to see a person jonesing for a dose of weakened measles virus.
The problem with this is that to a conspiracy nut this is proof they're right. It's not going to win "hearts and minds". Make no mistake: What the anti-vaxxers are doing is waging an ideological guerrilla war. In a sense, they're infected with bad ideas. But how do you show them their ideas are bad? You typically don't, but you can take their fertile grounds for new convertees away. And that, this doesn't actually do. It makes it harder to spread their ideas, true, but at the same time it spurs them on, for they're "being repressed", in their eyes for being right. So don't do this. Instead, make sure everyone around the anti-vaxxers understand the issues and why vaccination is a good idea. Some historical documentaries about what life was right before vaccination came about, perhaps?
The people who give money to these campaigns will now no longer be able to. That means more money in their pockets but it won't change anybody's mind.
I think anti-vaxers are misguided but being misguided is not illegal, and neither is their opinion.
This new trend of blocking things some people disagree with is just wrong,
re: what you said about pro-vaxxers, the reason they're not over the counter is because while safe it doesn't mean any fool should be able to administer them any time either
(btw being OTC has little bearing on overall safety, just take Tylenol, that stuff is basically poison)
pro-pharma shills? I mean seriously, such profits as pharma makes from childhood vaccinations are so tiny as to be less than a rounding error. The total revenue, so before profits, world-wide, of childhood vaccinations is less than 1% of total pharma revenue
the short version there are plenty of reasons to hate on pharma but vaccinations ain't one of them
now on the other hand, I haven't heard of a single case of a pro-vaxxer making death threats against an anti-vaxxer but there are loads of instances of the reverse, so the reason anti-vaxxers get treated like crazies is because a whole lot of them are acting like crazies, maybe it's a minority, but you associate with nuts, you get labeled a nut too
"btw being OTC has little bearing on overall safety"
#1. This is a Strawman fallacy, I am not making the claim that OTC means it's perfectly safe, the claim I am making is that accusations of vaccines being perfectly safe are obviously bunk when they are not even over the counter, they also have special contraindications as well.
#2. OTC does actually have a LOT of bearing on overall safety as well as why there are 7 schedules of drugs dealing with their safety and addiction attributes.
Yes, even OTC drugs can kill you, but so can water and salt as well. But they are still considered safe enough that average people should be able to self administer with simple instruction.
"pro-pharma shills? I mean seriously, such profits as pharma makes from childhood vaccinations are so tiny as to be less than a rounding error."
Making large amounts of money per is not the only way to make money, drumming up enough outrage to get laws passed so that everyone are legally required to get them will create such a scenario at least of an increase in sales, and this is still if they can resist the temptation to jack up the price if getting vaccinated becomes compulsory! It is quite possible that the current cost is because they are readily available and not compulsory.
"the short version there are plenty of reasons to hate on pharma but vaccinations ain't one of them"
I will agree with you there, but I am just trying to explain to those like YOU that offensive pro-vax behavior is helping to foment these kinds of problematic contrarian beliefs. Start looking at anti-vaxxers like they are humans instead of like they are subhuman primates that you should be controlling and telling what to do.
"but you associate with nuts, you get labeled a nut too"
Seriously? Guilty by association? At least you freely admit that you can only think like a bigot. There have been lots of innocent people that have been harmed by folks like you and your bigotry. A few racists come to mind... like the KKK, they didn't like white folks hanging out with black folks either... you sound just exactly like them with trash talk like that!
Being in or out of a closet has nothing to do with going away or coming back. The only thing blacklisting does is create a black-market for it.
Things usually do not fester in the light of day, but instead in dark corners where people avoid looking out of fear of being falsely accused!
You are when you feel the need to defend against the observation.
Let me ask you this.
Put yourself in the shoes of an educator and ask yourself... Would you talk to your students the same way pro/anti-vaxxers talk to each other? If so, why? If no, why?
I hope you can start to get the idea now. This is not just about attracting more bees with honey rather than vinegar, it is also about not trying to act superior to others with different ideas, beliefs, or understandings about things right or wrong.
Agreed, vax is peanuts for pharma. They are looking for the next 85 grand cure for HEP-C. I forget who had it, but that company had like 50% of revenue off one drug. I'd also point out the irony that India is in an aggressive campaign of immunization across the entire country while we in the much better country of the US are trying to allow people to not get vax'ed. Crazy times, flat earthers, anti-vaxer's etc. All on the interwebs, arguably a platform only available since science has come as far as it has. Crazy times.
Do you refuse all vaccinations, only some, or do you go along grudgingly while disliking big pharma?
Codeword for conspiracy theorist?
Topics like: ...
The history of the Communist party in China?
That Taiwan is the real China?
German history?
Catalonia?
Do cults and faiths get to ban what they consider spreading blasphemy?
Whistleblowers?
DRM?
Crypto?
Movie reviews that are too political?
Everyone will have a reason why a campaign should not be allowed about their faith, rules, laws, crypto, DRM, politics, nation, past, products
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Da, Boris, da!!!
trump? The fox who is in the henhouse? The guy who can't form a coherent sentence? The guy Russia wanted as president, knowing how crappy he'd be? That trump?
Please don't ban anti-vaxxers. You're hindering evolution.
People stupid enough to get on board with that don't deserve to continue to contribute to the gene pool. Let them have their cake, and eat it too, right out of the gene pool.
Censorship of stupidity will render the internet a blank page, ok?
Bitcoin will allow you to raise money for such campaigns.
GENERATION 26: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation.
If the product is a net benefit, shouldn't it be used even if it has some danger itself?
The "precautionary principle" kills more than it saves often, so you have to consider that.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
The pro-vaxxers constantly come off as a bunch of pharma shills that are actually ADDING to the ranks of the anti-vaxxers with their vitriolic rhetoric and constant claims that they are perfectly safe.
So you think everyone should lie and say they're not perfectly safe so they sound more believable? Or just make the claim less often so the anti-vaxxer crazies don't always have to listen to that terribly off-putting constant barrage of sense, insight, truth, logic and statistically, experimentally and theoretically provable science?
What makes you think they make much money from vaccines? The whole field would collapse without government money, boner pills and blood pressure meds are more profitable.
The problem is while Darwin's selection is doing its work among the kids in the anti-vaxx classroom, there are risk of collateral damage in the neighbouring class, for the couple of kids whose parent aren't against vaccination but for some reason (e.g.: non-working immune system, other incompatibilites preventing vaccination, or simply hasn't been vaccinated yet, etc.) the kid isn't properly immunized.
cf. Herd immunization.
You wouldn't want to to hurt those.
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(And in practice, the firm anti-vaxx believer will find a way to put the blame on the school and hospital why their kid died - Hey, the doctor put the kid on all these unnatural chemical drugs while trying to save it, instead of trying to put the kid on all natural 100% raw-vega hyper doses of Vitamin C like I read in some forum on my favorite conspiracy theroy website !)
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Is that the new FUD? I don't keep up with the scare program, but since the thing with Autism fizzled, is now the new spin that we get addicted to vaccinations?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I'm pretty sure you can point to some sort of eviden... hell, I take a harebrained speculation at this point.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
To quote a comedian, I could say it nicer that it's bullshit ... but I don't know why I should, it doesn't become any less of a pile of bullshit that way.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Win what exactly? Dying of measles?
Yeah. That's ... great I guess?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You might want to go into detail, considering that it would be trivial to point out the good they've done the world over. I'm fairly sure you never saw a smallpox or polio victim. And you're used to your kids surviving to adulthood. Take a wild guess why.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Flu vaccines and MRR vaccines are two very, very different beasts.
Flu vaccines are a race against the clock. You have to understand that the development of a vaccine isn't something you do in a couple hours. We're talking a lead time of many months, sometimes up to a year. With a fast mutating virus like the flu virus, this is an eternity. There is even a good chance that the vaccine you eventually have isn't very potent against the virus you're dealing with the next year anymore because your predictions and projected mutations were wrong. Plus, testing is something you also do in a hurry. You'll hence notice that all the scare stories you get to hear about are from Flu shots that went wrong somehow. And you'll also notice that recommendations to get Flu vaccinations usually only come when there is already an outbreak with some serious lasting effects somewhere else and there is a good chance that it's gonna jump the border soon. Exactly because Flu shots can be a risk.
MRR is a vaccine that doesn't change much. You're looking at a vaccine that has been developed about half a century ago, pretty much any side effects that could somehow possibly happen would have happened by now. We do know the possible side effects pretty well and we also know what to look for to detect them early and how to deal with them.
Vaccines are a matter of statistics. How likely is an infection? How likely are lasting negative effects of an infection? How likely are lasting negative effects of a vaccination? And for MRR, the statistics for this is clearly on the side of getting it. For Flu shots, less so. And for, say, malaria it would be insane to get vaccinated if you don't plan to leave Michigan in the foreseeable future.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
And ... you think you get the flu if you don't get one this year because you got one the last year?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.