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Improved Estimates of the Distance To the Large Magellanic Cloud

Long-time Slashdot reader colinwb writes: A team of researchers has published a letter in Nature (2019) estimating the distance to the Large Magellanic Cloud" to a precision of one per cent; Arxiv (2019).

The Arxiv abstract: In the era of precision cosmology, it is essential to empirically determine the Hubble constant with an accuracy of one per cent or better. At present, the uncertainty on this constant is dominated by the uncertainty in the calibration of the Cepheid period — luminosity relationship (also known as Leavitt Law). The Large Magellanic Cloud has traditionally served as the best galaxy with which to calibrate Cepheid period-luminosity relations, and as a result has become the best anchor point for the cosmic distance scale. Eclipsing binary systems composed of late-type stars offer the most precise and accurate way to measure the distance to the Large Magellanic Cloud. Currently the limit of the precision attainable with this technique is about two per cent, and is set by the precision of the existing calibrations of the surface brightness — colour relation. Here we report the calibration of the surface brightness-colour relation with a precision of 0.8 per cent. We use this calibration to determine the geometrical distance to the Large Magellanic Cloud that is precise to 1 per cent based on 20 eclipsing binary systems. The final distane is 49.59 +/- 0.09 (statistical) +/- 0.54 (systematic) kiloparsecs.

In 2013 a team of researchers (including several of the current researchers) published a letter in Nature (2013) which estimated the distance with a precision of two per cent; Arxiv (2013).

Another team of researchers has also posted their recent research on Arxiv (2019) in which they provide a 1% foundation for the determination of the Hubble Constant.

All the links are to abstracts; the full letters to Nature are paywalled, but the Arxiv abstracts have links to PDFs which seem to be complete and accessible.

56 comments

  1. Paywall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Great to see (probable) public funds subsidizing more private academic journals.

    1. Re:Paywall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I take it that you didn't notice the papers being published for free on the arXiv, then? Seriously, here is a direct link to download the main paper described in the summary.

    2. Re:Paywall by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      Thanks, but the numbers are no good. It's moved since then!

  2. Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now my navigation system will be able to estimate the arrival time correctly. Why did this take so long?

    1. Re:Finally by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I’ve never believed your stated Kessel Run times anyway, Han.

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    2. Re:Finally by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      I've never believed your stated Kessel Run times anyway, Han.

      Of course you mean, "Kessel Run distances". (In this case, "run" means "route".)

      From: 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Solves The Kessel Run Problem

      According to Star Wars: The Essential Atlas and the Solo novels, the road to Kessel involved navigating a cluster of black holes known as 'the Maw'. This would typically take 18 parsecs -- to avoid falling into the Maw's gravity wells -- but with a sturdy ship like the Millennium Falcon and a daring captain like Han, a smuggler could skirt close to the edges of the Maw and cut the distance down to 12 parsecs.

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  3. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will be easier to reach Iscandar.

  4. It has always been so. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next year, the Chinese plan on landing on the Large Magellanic Cloud and establishing a military base. They will claim it has always been part of their territory.

    1. Re:It has always been so. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if Abelt Dessler has anything to say about it. And usually he does. Ghare Garmillon!

  5. Re:Easy leap for a "progressive" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Rachel Maddow visibly sobbed on air. LOL!

  6. Units of Distance by chill · · Score: 4, Informative

    1 Parsec = 3.26 light years
    1 Kiloparsec = 3262 light years
    1 light year = 9.46 trillion kilometers = 5.88 trillion miles

    Further than the Basingstoke Roundabout, so stick out your thumb and be prepared for a long trip.

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    1. Re:Units of Distance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't we get rid of this light year crap and just stick to miles like everybody else?

    2. Re:Units of Distance by Just+A+Gigolo · · Score: 1

      Dont you mean kilometers like everybody else?

    3. Re:Units of Distance by reboot246 · · Score: 2

      Yes, but compared to the rest of the universe, it's practically right next door!
      Though it is a bit further than I'd want to commute to and from work.

    4. Re:Units of Distance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because a quintillion's too big, and that's without even leaving our neighborhood of the universe.

    5. Re:Units of Distance by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Gonna need a lot of Supercharger stations between here and there...

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    6. Re:Units of Distance by Framboise · · Score: 1

      Just get familiar with zettametre (Zm), the Magellanic clouds are 1.5 to 1.8 Zm away.

  7. so we need to revise our colonization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    schedule a bit, huh?

    1. Re: so we need to revise our colonization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the way to never

  8. So how huch is that by rossdee · · Score: 2

    in Kessel Runs ?

    1. Re:So how huch is that by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Real ones, or Han's boring shortcut

  9. 1% Accuracy good??? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Space is Big, Really Big, you won't believe how mindbogglingly huge it is. You might think it is a long way to the Chemist, but that is just peanuts to space, LISTEN! (Apologies to Douglas Adams)
    But the size of space, 1% is just a really big number. Lets just say there is a 1% chance you will get hit by a car every day. That means on the average you will be hit by a car 3-4 times every year, for most people that is a lot of times getting hit by a car.

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    1. Re:1% Accuracy good??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you fly from Paris to NYC and miss by 1%, you could drown in the Atlantic.

    2. Re:1% Accuracy good??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or worse, you could land in the Bronx.

    3. Re:1% Accuracy good??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in my day getting cosmological distances to within a factor of 10^0 was considered good. The candles are hard to calibrate. So a couple orders magnitude improvement in the last forty years is good.

  10. Practical Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess we are already too advanced on space observation from a distance. Shouldn't those big science heads be put to better use, like figuring out economic and safe ways to us to leave Earth?
    I mean, what difference it makes if we know the correct distances? That's the easy part!

    1. Re:Practical Science by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Cosmology and astronomy are not engineering disciplines. Different people have different strengths and abilities. It's like demanding entomologists abandon the study of insects so they can cure cancer.

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    2. Re:Practical Science by chill · · Score: 1

      That sounds suspiciously like the plot for the 1992 movie Medicine Man.

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    3. Re: Practical Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, obviously, but I'm not convinced that a scientific research inclined brain is completely useless for engineering matters. Now, what's definitely useless is we knowing the distance to some unreachable location down to 1% acurracy.

    4. Re: Practical Science by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Basic research may have far-reaching ramifications in the future. In the 18th century, electricity was little more than a parlor trick, and researchers into electricity and its effects weren't exactly doing anything all that memorable through the lens of useful research. By the mid-19th century, the world's first telecommunications system was being built.

      Trying to force every scientist to solve today's problems does nothing but starve the future. And really, engineering is applied science. It is not science, no matter how much some engineers seem to believe it is.

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    5. Re: Practical Science by lgw · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of dark energy? Yeah, it's the most promising area right no for "new physics", and so fairly important. And that's all about measuring the distance to very distant objects.

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    6. Re:Practical Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " figuring out economic and safe ways to us to leave Earth?"

      We should also figure out what mental illness makes losers like you think garbage like that.

    7. Re: Practical Science by thereddaikon · · Score: 1

      Dark energy is just the name given to observed data that we yet don't have an explanation for. Once the actual nature of dark energy and dark matter are determined they may have broad implications for every day life but they also may not. I don't think anyone really knows enough about them yet to really say. What we do know is all of this mass and energy interacts very weakly with the rest of the mass and energy we can see.

    8. Re: Practical Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a idiot, so you can't. Do not try... It will hurt

    9. Re: Practical Science by lgw · · Score: 2

      Once the actual nature of dark energy and dark matter are determined they may have broad implications for every day life but they also may not.

      This is open-ended research, not engineering. You don't expect to know what the practical results will be. That's sort of the point. No one did basic physics in order to develop radiation treatments for cancer, or MRI or PET scans or CAT scans, but we got them all the same. Mostly from the tools built to do the research.

      What we do know is all of this mass and energy interacts very weakly with the rest of the mass and energy we can see.

      There's something else vital that we know: existing theory doesn't explain either. Physics has been high-centered for some time now for lack of new data that doesn't fit theory. The LHC invalidated all the best dark matter idas. For the first time in at least a couple of decades, there's hard data that there's not a good theory for. And it's only precise measurements that can move physics forward, by culling all the bad ideas that look really good on paper.

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    10. Re: Practical Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy? So why don't YOU do it? Not only would that would free up the labor of those boffins so that they could get to work on fulfilling your adolescent space fantasies, but quite frankly it would be a better use of your time than whatever else it is that is distracting you from solving the problems that *I* think are important.

  11. Proper units please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we give up kiloparsecs already?

    Just use SI base units like all other scientists. It's 1.5E21 meters away, or 1.5 Zm

  12. Re:Easy leap for a "progressive" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump's been laundering russian money for years. He's still fucked, unless the US has fully transitioned to banana republic.

    Despite O'Bumble's efforts, Trump beating Hillary! forestalled that process.

    Of course, "progressive" dipshits (BIRM) like AOC (aka Chiquita Khrushchev) are still trying to turn the US into a banana republic.

  13. From where to where exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it measured from the Earth, from our Sun or from the edge of the Milky Way??
    And is it to the closer edge of the Magellanic Cloud or its center or where else??

    1. Re: From where to where exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of those distances are within the margin of error.

  14. A delight of the southern sky by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always take a telescope with me whenever I visit the southern hemisphere and have spent many evenings (mainly from Australia) exploring the Large Magellanic Cloud. The Tarantula Nebula is one of those must-see items on any such trip.

    The Small Magellanic Cloud doesn't have as many goodies but has 47 Tucanae next door which more than makes up for it.

    ...laura

  15. Margin of error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But whats the margin of error for the spelling in a slashdot article?

  16. How accurate can the measurements be? by Stoutlimb · · Score: 1

    How does one measure the distance to a cloud? Are they measuring to one specific star in the cloud? If not... How to measure the distance to something that has no defineable edges or centre?

    1. Re:How accurate can the measurements be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1% accuracy would put them within about 250 light-years. Given that the entire reach of our solar system is at best about 2 lightyears (all the main stuff is within 1 lightyear, the so-called edge of interstaller space is currently thought to be around 1.25 ly). Assuming that the dust of the cloud is somehow gravitationally bound to a star, that means we'd need to be within about 0.01% before we start having to care about what constitutes the edge of a cloud.

  17. At Jump-6 that's a long time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    159 years, in fact, even without re-fuelling time. I guess we'll have to stick to the Spinward Marches a bit longer.

  18. Re:Easy leap for a "progressive" by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

    I can't stand that guy.