Slashdot Mirror


French Gas Stations Robbed After Forgetting To Change Gas Pump PINs (zdnet.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet: French authorities have arrested five men who stole over 120,000 liters (26,400 gallons) of fuel from gas stations around Paris by unlocking gas pumps using a special remote. The five-man team operated with the help of a special remote they bought online and which could unlock a particular brand of gas pumps installed at Total gas stations. The hack was possible because some gas station managers didn't change the gas pump's default lock code from the standard 0000. Hackers would use this simple PIN code to reset fuel prices and remove any fill-up limits.

Crooks would operate in small teams of two to three individuals who visited gas stations at night using two vehicles. A man in a first car would use the remote to unlock the gas station, and then a second car, usually a van, would come along seconds later to fill a giant tanker installed in the back of the vehicle with as much as 2,000 or 3,000 liters in one go. The group advertised the fuel they stole on social media, providing a time and place where customers could come and refuel their vehicles or pick up orders for gasoline and diesel at smaller prices.
Police uncovered the scheme in April 2018, when they arrested a suspect in possession of a remote used in the hack. "Five men, part of the same gang, were arrested on Monday, according to Le Parisien, who first reported the scheme last November," the report adds.

102 comments

  1. Please do not call them hackers by Squiddie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is nothing clever about this. This is just security failing because of the incompetency of the gas station managers. Nothing about this could be called a hack.

    1. Re:Please do not call them hackers by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      There has to be a way we could work AI and blockchain in here to make it more secure...

      --
      Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
    2. Re:Please do not call them hackers by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Informative

      So, the guys bought a remote (like this one [good product btw]), had the remote learn the protocol, and then tried the default '0000' ; quite a hack actually.

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    3. Re:Please do not call them hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly agree.

      a mundane and unoriginal hack, but an otherwise successful one.

    4. Re:Please do not call them hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No drones and 3d printers? Well...I guess it isn't 2015 anymore.

    5. Re:Please do not call them hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a shame the term script kiddie hasn't become main stream. That would much more closely match these fellows.

    6. Re:Please do not call them hackers by Immerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not even that - script kiddies are still trying to bypass security - these guys were just following the instructions on the box to see if the manager had been stupid enough to not change the factory-default passcode.

      Seems to me that default passwords not being changed is a common enough security threat, across a wide range of devices, that any programmer should defend against it as a standard security precaution. Perhaps simply have the device refuse to operate at all until the password/code is changed, instead simply displaying a message demanding that the passcode be changed before proceeding.

      You probably want initial setup and diagnostics to work normally, but refuse to actually pump any gas, forward any packets, or whatever else the device is supposed to do, until the code is changed.

      --
      --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
    7. Re:Please do not call them hackers by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I think it was a special RF remote. In Europe petrol pumps usually won't dispense until authorized by a staff member who sits in the payment kiosk watching what is happening on CCTV. When someone pulls up to the pump they check they are not on the banned list or trying to fill up 20 jerry cans and use an RF remote to turn on the pump.

      Most people don't even realize it's happening.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    8. Re:Please do not call them hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You have lists of people who are banned from buying petrol?

      What's wrong with filling up 20 jerry cans? ...So many rules that you just swallow unquestioningly...

    9. Re:Please do not call them hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The end result is the same, it doesn't matter what you call them. It doesn't help that you call yourself '1337 haxx0r' and then get pwned by 'n00bs' because of your arrogance/superiority assumptions.

      Seriously, people are too full of themselves. Reality does not work that way. So yes, they are hackers - they discovered a weakness in the system and exploited it.
      The weakness was as in most cases, end user. Tough shit, '1337 n00bs'.

      Obviously a deeply flawed system that doesn't require a password change on first use. God knows what else is flawed there.

    10. Re: Please do not call them hackers by yakatz · · Score: 2

      Thankfully, devices that require you to change the default code are becoming more common. Our brand new copy machines don't force you to change the admin password, but every time someone with admin rights logs in, the system reminds you that the default admin account still has the default password. In truth, even better are devices that don't have a default password at all, but make you set one the first time you connect them.

    11. Re:Please do not call them hackers by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      There is nothing clever about this. This is just security failing because of the incompetency of the gas station managers. Nothing about this could be called a hack.

      But what is the car analogy? It's like filling your car with stolen fuel....wait.

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    12. Re:Please do not call them hackers by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with filling up 20 jerry cans? ...So many rules that you just swallow unquestioningly...

      Nothing, until you jump back in the car and speed off.

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    13. Re:Please do not call them hackers by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      quite a hack actually.

      HACK THE PLANET!!!!

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    14. Re: Please do not call them hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why have the customer do it? My last three routers came with a randomized string set by default. Tech illiterate people don't even have to touch it, much less come up with a password that is more secure than "password" .

    15. Re: Please do not call them hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike America where there are no rules /sarcasm #jaywalking #foolingyourself

    16. Re: Please do not call them hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the great minds of Europe have failed to consider prepayment as a way to prevent this?!

    17. Re:Please do not call them hackers by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      There has been a car analogy where the entry code (in the remote control) for the alarm system was unmodified allowing the default code to disable the alarm on many cars of the same model.

      And as the late Richard Feynman once recounted about his time at Los Alamos working on the atomic bomb, 20% of the safes he verified were still on factory settings,

    18. Re:Please do not call them hackers by PPH · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with filling up 20 jerry cans?

      Fire regulations. Imagine the inferno when some Canadian fills up 20 jerry cans at Costco and gets in a wreck on I-5 heading back to Vancouver.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
    19. Re:Please do not call them hackers by nadass · · Score: 1

      There is nothing clever about this. This is just security failing because of the incompetency of the gas station managers. Nothing about this could be called a hack.

      You literally just described a security hack. The failing on one behalf allows another behalf to take advantage of by way of adopting an additional tool or device. The scenario is literally a "hack," unless you're referring to yourself as being a "hack" of a security expert.

    20. Re: Please do not call them hackers by Immerman · · Score: 1

      An excellent solution. Makes production slightly more complicated, but it shouldn't be by much.

      I like the "physical button" security model for most internet-connected things as well - make sure someone has to be physically present to confirm any potentially harmful action. It seems to me that that's the single most cost-effective layer of security you can add. If it's *really* important, then you make it physically impossible to take a harmful action without that button being pushed. Then you only have to worry about physical security.

      --
      --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
    21. Re: Please do not call them hackers by Kopp · · Score: 1

      Don 't worry, people in Europe thought of it. And they even use credit card with pin code security to authenticate the payment.

  2. you don't set them from inside the store? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    you don't set them from inside the store? But an RF or IR remote? that some can easily clone

    1. Re:you don't set them from inside the store? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You used to have to have cables and set them from inside. Most of the old hardware is this way. These remote ones are "new", "better" and "improved" version that the manufacturers push on customers. Much like amazon pushing remotes with an always on microphone and moving from bluetooth to wifi

  3. More human security by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    1. Have human staff on duty when the gas station is operational.
    2. Have human staff look at the "van" and the amount of fuel and the price of that fuel.
    3. Make people walk from the gas pumps to a cashier with a computer display showing pump used, price and amount of fuel.
    4. Pay for the fuel.
    5. Human staff on duty will see huge numbers never seen before from any average "van" on the computer display? Thats not normal.
    Have the computer alert to totally unexpected numbers.
    6. Lots of quality CCTV for face, passengers face and gait.
    7. Remove anything automated that can allow your gas station to pump fuel for free at any time.

    --
    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    1. Re:More human security by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

      You maybe assuming to much. Is the staff on hand actually paying attention and keeping tabs on operations?
      They are most likely sitting in the corner, bathroom where ever playing games or on social media on their phones. And completely oblivious to everything around them.
      These smart phones for some are better than drugs or alcohol..

      Just my 2 cents ;)

    2. Re:More human security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Have human staff on duty when the gas station is operational.

      Well, I kind of like the fact that I can still buy gasoline from the station nearest me at 3 a.m. even though the inside store is closed at that time.

      Once electric cars take over the world, stealing gasoline might be less of a concern :-D

    3. Re:More human security by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      1. Have human staff on duty when the gas station is operational.

      This makes no sense. Any given gas station has about a 1% chance of being exploited, and figure one euro per liter and 3000 liters per hit, that is an expected loss of 30 euros. There is no way that is worth an extra full time worker just to monitor the pumps.

      Here's a more cost effective solution: Change the code to something other than 0000.

    4. Re:More human security by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "keeping tabs on operations?"
      Would be selling newspapers, magazines. Hats and sunglasses.
      Food and making hot fresh coffee. Bread and snacks.
      All that fuel.
      Making sure vans don't steal large amounts of fuel.. would be another great reason.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    5. Re:More human security by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      1. ....
      7. Remove anything automated that can allow your gas station to pump fuel for free at any time.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    6. Re:More human security by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Easier solution:

      1. Have basic competence.

      Done. No need for more people. In fact I'm perfectly happy with "express" petrol stations which is just a pump somewhere and no need to interact with anyone.

    7. Re:More human security by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The need to interact with people could have stopped that van crime.
      A human looking down to see the amount of fuel getting pumped in real time.
      The police told of a method of crime in real time.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    8. Re:More human security by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Have human staff on duty when the gas station is operational.

      This was done at night when the station was not operational in manual mode, but rather automatic.

      People can still fill up using a credit card inserted into a slot next to the pump.

      Using their magic remote, the thieves switched station into daytime mode (where you're supposed to pay inside after filling up...) , filled up the van, and switched it back to night-time mode.

      Only protection here would be to give up the night business, but then the station would lose (paying) night-time customers to their neighbor who do have open 24/24.

    9. Re:More human security by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Once electric cars take over the world, stealing gasoline might be less of a concern :-D

      yeah, because then stealing electricity might be more of a concern :-)

    10. Re:More human security by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      figure one euro per liter and 3000 liters per hit, that is an expected loss of 30 euros.

      Wouldn't that be 3000 Euros? And in France, gas is more expensive than 1€/l...

    11. Re:More human security by Sique · · Score: 1

      Setting the PIN to 1234 instead of 0000 would also have stopped that van crime. And it would have cost much less.

      --
      .sig: Sique *sigh*
    12. Re:More human security by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      The need to interact with people could have stopped that van crime.

      The theft happened at night. When filling stations are typically not manned, but operate with automatic credit card readers.

      This allows the station's operator to capture the business at night without the staff expense.

    13. Re: More human security by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Theres the problem. Here in the US, ever since the Iraq War when gas shot up to double what it is currently is, every station makes you pay before you pump. Too many people were stealing gas.

      --
      The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
    14. Re: More human security by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      every station makes you pay before you pump

      In Europe, filling stations have cameras. When you just drive off when done, you'll be caught pretty quickly...

      I'm not sure what happens if somebody would pull this stunt in a stolen car... never heard of any such occurrence

      At night, when the card readers are in operation, you do indeed have to insert card before you start pumping (but amount is booked after you're done, obviously, as quantity pumped is not known before).

    15. Re: More human security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the Luddite!

      Only blockchain AI cyber IoT apps running in containers can provide security, not LUDDITE human security that use 0000 as their pin.

      Apps!

    16. Re: More human security by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      In Europe you can pre-authorize your credit card for, say, up to 100 Euro of fuel and then fill up, after which you are billed for the exact amount.

      But these guys got around that by setting the price of fuel to 0.01 Euro/litre instead of the usual ~1.40 Euro/litre.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    17. Re: More human security by houghi · · Score: 1

      Many people are not aware of this, but the same happens in Europe. The moment you puty in the card, there will be a 125 EUR amount in autorisation. You then take your fuel for e.g. 75 EUR. The 125EUR is realeased and the 75EUR is billed.

      If you have e.g. only 100 EUR available on your card, you will not be able to get fuel at an unatended station. You could get one on a manned one where you take fuel and pay afterwards. You could also drive away and then wait home for the bill to arrive, together with the courtorder stuff, as 99% of them have camera's.

      The majority of the people will never realize the 125EUR in autorisation, because it will never show up on the bill and the majority of people in Europe will pay they credit card at the end of the month and their debit card will have enough to cover it.

      The people who might notice it is if there is an issue with the correction of the amount in authorisation (will sort itself out after a month) and the amount is not available.

      So, yeah. That is not the issue. The issue was that the price they paid was 0.00 EUR per liter (That is around 0.00 USD per gallon. You are welcome).

      --
      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    18. Re: More human security by mtmra70 · · Score: 1

      By every station, you mean not every station right? In major cities yes, but go to any small town in any state, they accept post-pumping payment.

    19. Re:More human security by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      Re "keeping tabs on operations?" Would be selling newspapers, magazines. Hats and sunglasses. Food and making hot fresh coffee. Bread and snacks. All that fuel. Making sure vans don't steal large amounts of fuel.. would be another great reason.

      Well if you want your till monkeys to be security they should be paid/trained/equipped accordingly. But they want to pay some kid minimum wage and expect them to notice, give a shit or even do anything about it other than a cursory phone call to the police/manager to let them know what's happened.

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    20. Re: More human security by Creepy · · Score: 1

      Definitely still pay inside stores in the US, as I often fill at one. The security system takes a clear shot at your plate and there are several fines for not paying including jail time. I do it when I get pre-paid gas cards from low income people I shuttle around. Usually I get 6-8 $5 or $10 cards a month and the pump readers make me insert, fill, wait, insert next card which fails if you haven't driven off but resets the reader, insert, fill another $5-10, repeat until done. Walking in they scan all I need in about 3 seconds (multiple minutes the other way).

    21. Re:More human security by bobbied · · Score: 1

      1. Have human staff on duty when the gas station is operational. 2. Have human staff look at the "van" and the amount of fuel and the price of that fuel. 3. Make people walk from the gas pumps to a cashier with a computer display showing pump used, price and amount of fuel. 4. Pay for the fuel. 5. Human staff on duty will see huge numbers never seen before from any average "van" on the computer display? Thats not normal. Have the computer alert to totally unexpected numbers. 6. Lots of quality CCTV for face, passengers face and gait. 7. Remove anything automated that can allow your gas station to pump fuel for free at any time.

      Or change the default pin used in the equipment and force customers to "prepay" for a reasonable amount of fuel by clearing the credit card in advance or requiring prepayment in cash.

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    22. Re:More human security by PPH · · Score: 1

      Change the code to something other than 0000.

      So you are the station manager and you do this. Given the caliber of employee you are able to hire for a minimum wage job like pump attendant, you are going to be called on a daily basis, "Uh, I forgot the code."

      Until one of them gets smart and writes it on the side of the pump with a Sharpie.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
    23. Re:More human security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can tell you there are many gas stations with no staff whatsoever, even during waking hours - the in-station store doesn't exist or was permanently closed off.
      This became common in the early 00s, perhaps aided by cameras and the universal use of chip and pin for payment and ATMs.
      There is a vending machine for soda, water, snacks etc.

      In my town you can clearly see former gas stations, they removed everything about pumping fuel and air into a car but the little roof remains and the store might be a bakery instead.
      Gas stations with store still exist in some other places, and around big supermarkets there's a staffed gas station but with just a booth for the cashier no store to enter.

      So, these stations are service more like a motorway or elevators in a condo than a grocery store. Possibly different companies service the vending machine, the pumps and the CCTV, all big companies or groups owned by incestuous oligarchs.

    24. Re:More human security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I've just said above https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=13655540&cid=58348320 there are plenty stations in France that operate automated all day round, too.
      Though they're brightly lit so you really show up on CCTV.
      So, they could do this in broad daylight if they wanted but there might be physical witnesses anyhow.

    25. Re:More human security by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be 3000 Euros?

      €3000 * 1% probability = €30 expected loss

      And in France, gas is more expensive than 1€/l...

      Gas stations don't pay the full retail price.

    26. Re:More human security by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      1234 sounds like an idiot's luggage combination

    27. Re:More human security by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      here's an unusual idea, why not do all of the above?

    28. Re:More human security by Sique · · Score: 1

      It is. But it would have been sufficient in this case, as any not-0000 would have foiled the plan.

      --
      .sig: Sique *sigh*
  4. Petrol Station by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its France so its called a fucking petrol station.

    https://www.total.fr/pro/carburants/essences-sans-plomb

    1. Re:Petrol Station by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Excuse my French, but where did you see "petrol" in this apge?

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    2. Re:Petrol Station by phayes · · Score: 1

      No it’s not, it’s a Station d’Essence, just like it says in the linked Parisien article. That Total publishes Brit oriented marketing materials does not force translators in the USA to use UK expressions. — let me guess: You voted Brexit, right?

      --
      Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue
    3. Re:Petrol Station by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      its France so its called a fucking petrol station.

      https://www.total.fr/pro/carburants/essences-sans-plomb

      It might be if they didn't speak french.

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    4. Re:Petrol Station by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, everyone calls this a station-service (which means "station for service" in French order not a service for stations)

      Maybe a pimply faced underpaid Parisian journalist calls it station d'essence or station à essence but that's it.

  5. But... by xlsior · · Score: 1

    With a 4 digit pincode as only 'security' it barely matters if they changed the default - in all likelihood they could try all pin options in a matter of minutes anyway

    1. Re:But... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      With a lock / alarm after 3 incorrect attempts

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    2. Re:But... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      in all likelihood they could try all pin options in a matter of minutes anyway

      10,000 codes in minutes? I feel bad for your thumb.

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    3. Re:But... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      10,000 codes in minutes? I feel bad for your thumb.

      No. The guys assume the default 0000 was changed, so they tried only 9999.

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
  6. Alternatively by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1.Don't be a WindBourne.

  7. Seen this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The gang solves the gas crisis

  8. That's IoT for you. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Well, ok, it's not exactly IoT, but IoT is in smack-center exact the same position.

    Point in case:
    Just the other day I saw an elaborate public-space add for a bluetooth operated brother strip-.label printer. Totally bizar. Expensive, complicated, error prone and obsolete in 5 years. Mine is 15 years old and has a keyboard built in and doesn't need a smartphone with a certain type of bluetooth connection and accompaning software to operate. It will last longer, is cheaper, easyer to operate (I only use it once a year or so) and works wether I have my smartphone or not.

    IoT and this gas-pump thing and every other new fad that comes along and thinks that everything should be connected wirelessly and the net if applicable in any way, shape or form is prone to exactly this problem.

    IoT is a fad and will come with tons of problems all very simliar to what cased this hilarious joke of a gasoline-heist.

    My 2 cents.

    --
    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re:That's IoT for you. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      this gas-pump thing and every other new fad

      Look, I'm all for reading a good anti IoT rant, but there's nothing "IoT", "new", or "fad" in using IR communications to configure equipment in the oil industry. This is literally the way it's been done for 40 years.

    2. Re:That's IoT for you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a valid use case for the remote. Although it could just as well be a wired solution.

      During day time, when the shop at the pumps is attended, the remote saves the shop attendent having to leave his station to come unlock the pump for people who wish to pay cash or want to fill up and buy some stuff from the shop but not have to pay twice. It only makes sense during the time the shop is open though. Outside those hours only the automated system with card payments is available and there is no reason the pumps should accept any other input during that time.

  9. That's the kind of PIN... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...an idiot would have on his luggage!

    1. Re: That's the kind of PIN... by Creepy · · Score: 2

      Factory defaults are designed to be easy so the manual can say 'enter 0000, then press change PIN).' It is also usually designed with a factory reset in mind in case the PIN is lost or forgotten (which would require direct hardware access, usually behind an alarmed key lock).

  10. They'll do EVERYTHING for CLICKS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Idiot "editors", that is. So it's hackers! Hacking! With hacks! Even if this is patently false. Because hackers! Hacking! With hacks! The clicks are the reward.

    1. Re: They'll do EVERYTHING for CLICKS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop hacking clickbait.

  11. Not a hack! Jeez! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is not even script kiddie territory!

    We bougt remote control watches to change people's TV channels as literal actual kids in the 90s!

    This is in the same category of baby insanity wolf actions as prank buzzing!

    1. Re: Not a hack! Jeez! by Creepy · · Score: 1

      To be fair, it is little different than illegally entering modem sites in the early 1980s because they left the user/password as admin/admin (which still happens with routers today).

      At least it was just gasoline and not nuclear launch codes (the infamous 00000000).

    2. Re: Not a hack! Jeez! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did that and got free long distance calling for several months back in 1991 or so

  12. And you voted totalitarian fascist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aka EU.

    Yeah, Brexit was favored by Nazis. Too. Just like th Autobahn. Or dogs. Or bread. Nice try with that poisoning, fascists.

    Nobody has anything against working together where everyone involved agreed to it. It ss basic common sense that that is advantageous, except to nationalist, racists, sexists etc.
    What we have a problem with, is when one *didn't* agee to it, and was *forced*! Especially when it expands until is logical conclusion is reached: Totalitarianism.

    And that is what we factually see from the EU. More and more idiotic lumping togeter rules that harm us and that we never agreed to.

    If it wasn't for that, the EU would be great!

    Wait, there's another thing too:
    The EU was created for "free markets". The same as TTIP/CETA/TPP/.... Where "freedom" is not the freedom from the harm of others, as you and I would expect, but the freedom TO harm others, as those corporations see it, that would prefer a world without worker/human/environmental rights, no social safety whatsoever, and everything being owned by them. (Represented by the massive Mont Perelin Society lobby think tank organization.)

    So as a means for corporations to overrule the sovereignity of the people over their own home/city/region/country/continent.

    If it wasn't for those two things, the EU would be great! Duh.

    But it isn't!

  13. Tyranny is a well armed sheep deciding instead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tyranny is a well armed sheep deciding instead.

  14. 5guys? by mark_reh · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'd say something about "hamberders" and Trump here, but I think I won't.

  15. Types of electricity by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Engaging "Captain Obvious" mode, ruiner of quick jokes since birth of forums:

    yeah, because then stealing electricity might be more of a concern :-)

    Charging an e-vehicle requires at least some voltage and amps.

    More than what's available on, e.g.: street lights. (Europe, that would usually be 250V with quickly is hard requirement for a heist )

    The household connector (Europe, that would be 250V, between 10A and 16A depending on regions and type of connector) would be a rather slow trickle.
    It's okay if you leave a vehicle *over-night* or even a couple of days. It's okay-ish if your battery is near dead and you want to get just a little bit more so you can manage to reach a better charging option (you must not be in a hurry. be ready to be patient)

    US household connector are basically junk (If memory serves me well, 120V with 10A to 15A depending on connector). You should leave your car plugged in for probably a week to steal any meaning full amount of electricity. And such a slow "theft" is going to be painfully obvious.

    So either you need to stay for impractically long time connected to your stealing spot.
    Or you need to steal from a specific rare spot with better voltage/amps, most of which arent easily accessible:
    - in houses, they would be located in kitchen/cellar
    - out door they would be only available at special industrial spots: e.g. where construction workers or market's food tucks needs to connect. They are either better guarded (if nothing else, because they would be a safety liability if something goes wrong), or are freely accessible to begin with for the specific purpose to attract customers to the venue (some public car chargers).

    Also electricity is incredibly cheap compared to gas (hence the whole idea of business trying to attract you with cheap or free charging).
    So the whole procedure would help make as much money as stealing candy.

    ---

    *: i.e. 250V on each phase, but 400 between phases.

    --
    "Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
    1. Re:Types of electricity by dehachel12 · · Score: 1

      I thought it was 230-240V

  16. The gas station owner must be fined severely by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If some thief steals donuts and coffee it is a simple theft. But here the gas station lost control of a hazardous substance and there were rickety vans with leaky tanks with 3000 liters of gasoline sloshing about. These crooks most likely do not understand the effects of fluid being transported in un-baffled tanks. It was a disater waiting to happen. Safety of hundreds of people has been endangered.

    --
    sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
    1. Re: The gas station owner must be fined severely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Lots of fluids are transported in unbaffed tanks you just need to drive carefully, furthermore if you had it completely fill I would think it would be reasonably safe as it would be incompressible and therefore wouldn't act like a mass with a changing center of mass

    2. Re:The gas station owner must be fined severely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These crooks most likely do not understand the effects of fluid being transported in un-baffled tanks. It was a disater waiting to happen. Safety of hundreds of people has been endangered.

      Yes, because people committing crimes like this are very concerned with safety regulations.

      At the start the shop steward says "OK lads, we're going to have a nice safe heist, and we're going to follow all applicable safety regulations ... we'll start by putting on our hard hats and condoms and reading aloud from the safety checklist for transporting fuel".

      Why would you think crooks give a damn about such things? That's like the dumbest comment ever.

      Duh, criminals aren't following all relevant safety rules ... no fucking kidding.

    3. Re:The gas station owner must be fined severely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In France majority drive diesel so they might have just stolen diesel fuel.

      Diesel policy was pursued so that _any_ size of vehicle might run on diesel, save for motorcycles. Look up Peugeot 106 diesel for an example. Yes there are millions diesel engines 1500cc and smaller around.
      (Plenty might do a cross country trip or trip to the sea side in a small car, but overwhelming majority of trips will be for commute which is kinda dumb on a diesel but works)

      Very common is the mini panel van like Citroen C15, Renault Express, Peugeot Partner. These are based on small city cars but the rear is made just so that you can fit one pallet in it. Much of the economy runs on these, small or one person businesses etc. Mostly all diesel ditto cube vans and anything. Where US might have V8 gasoline France has four cylinder turbo diesel instead (diesel without turbo used to be an option...)

      ok I've just understood you were talking about danger of shifting masses...
      at least I think they probably stole diesel not gasoline. Plenty demand, plenty construction business that cheat on their tax and payroll etc.

    4. Re:The gas station owner must be fined severely by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      If you really want to know, diesel has a lower ignition temperature than gasoline. Thats why diesel engines dont need spark plugs.

      --
      sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
  17. this kind of stuff reminds me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of how I used to "hack" coke machines by getting into the menu via the default (changeable) combo of buttons and then some of them would set everything to sold out if you chose "error"

  18. I can only imagine by Only+Time+Will+Tell · · Score: 1

    how those fuel exchanges on the side of the road went. "So, where'd you get the cheap fuel?" "It, uh, fell off the back of a truck?"

  19. Fast and Furious Plot by neoRUR · · Score: 1

    I guess we have the Plot for the next Fast and Furious Movie!

    1. Re:Fast and Furious Plot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except none of the Fast and Furious movies feature stops for gas. Apparently all cars in that universe operate without fuel.

    2. Re:Fast and Furious Plot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's always been true of Star Wars apparently everything is loaded with petawatt-hours from spaceplanes to ships and sabers and nothing ever needs fuel.

    3. Re:Fast and Furious Plot by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Ok so you're mocking FnF, and yet your posts show that you watched the movies...

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
  20. Only a moron uses "0000" as a pin! by bobbied · · Score: 1

    Quick, change my pin to "1234"!

    --
    "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    1. Re:Only a moron uses "0000" as a pin! by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 4, Funny

      Quick, change my pin to "1234"!

      I use 9999, because it's the most secure PIN because it's the last one to get guessed.

      You start with 0000, then 0001, 0002 and so on...9999 will be the last one the haxxors get to!

  21. Did police recover any yellow vests? by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    Did the perps spend the week stealing gasoline, the spend weekends protesting gas taxes? That would be ballsy.

    --
    The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
  22. WHAT!?!?! by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

    OMG, really? But I went thru the procedure and changed the it *TO* 0000, my favorite number. Let's force the manufacturer to change the default to something else so that *I* can use *MY* number without fear.

    --
    If the universe is someone's simulation -- does that mean the stars are just stuck pixels?
  23. Forgetting? by aglider · · Score: 1

    Idocy cannot be hidden like that!

    --
    Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.