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As Windows 10 19H1 Update Approaches, Microsoft Says Version 1809 is Now Ready For 'Broad Deployment' (onmsft.com)

We're now very close to the next semi-annual update for Windows 10, but Microsoft has just announced today that the version 1809 released last Fall is now the recommended version for all users. From a report: This is a new milestone in the troubled history of this major release, as Microsoft had to pause its public rollout after discovering a serious file deletion bug in October. "Based on the data and the feedback we've received from consumers, OEMs, ISVs, partners, and commercial customers, Windows 10, version 1809 has transitioned to broad deployment," wrote John Wilcox, Windows as a service evangelist on the Windows IT Pro blog today. We're now a little more than four months removed from Microsoft's re-released Windows 10 version 1803, and Microsoft previously admitted that it would be more cautious during the public rollout. According to AdDuplex's latest survey on more than 100,000 Windows 10 PCS, only 26.4% of them were running the version 1809 in March.

58 comments

  1. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excellent

    1. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More spyware and more vulnerabilities from the worst programmers in the world.

    2. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not quite. The worst programmers in the world are at Meetup.com

  2. finally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So will this finally show up in Semi-Annual (NON-targeted) channel?

  3. What can go wrong? by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    After all, nothing EVER went wrong when MS tried this kind of thing before.

    1. Re:What can go wrong? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      There is a special lab at Microsoft devoted to the study of Murphy's Law.

    2. Re:What can go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a special lab at Microsoft devoted to the study of Murphy's Law.

      Yeah, they call it the "Windows User".

  4. Join Us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Based on the data and the feedback we've received from consumers, OEMs, ISVs, partners, and commercial customers, Windows 10, version 1809 has transitioned to broad deployment.

    Sounds more like a cult than a OS.

    My employer rolled out 1809 two weeks ago. No one was able to log in after that. Took a week to roll everything back.

    I told my boss I'm staying with Windows 7; all with known clean VM snapshots that I can roll back to in case of any compromise. Linux host OS. He can fire me if he wants, but I'm going to be able to work until then.

    1. Re:Join Us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Installed 1809 on my desktop. Broke vlans, people been complaining since 1809 first came out, no fix. I can't even open the Control Panel if I any driver in the past several months, including one only a few weeks old. Sound drivers also broke. Required some research to get my 4 year old Realtek integrated audio working again. It's a complete cluster, but at least it didn't delete my files.

  5. Skipping 1809? by mattb47 · · Score: 1

    My main system is still on 1803. At this point, skipping 1809 and going straight to the Spring 2019 release probably makes much more sense.

    I'm assuming many others are in similar situations.

    1. Re:Skipping 1809? by omnichad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That would be the same problem. Don't install it when it's new.

    2. Re:Skipping 1809? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      1809 is solid. Though given the previous recall, I can totally understand why there's still apprehension at deployment. So my advice would be to go ahead and use 1809 if you plan on formatting/reinstalling Windows on a PC. However if this is to be a planned mass upgrade project within an organization, yeah, go ahead and skip and wait for the new release. No point in spending a whole lot of time and money on an 1809 deployment now with Spring 2019 around the corner.

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    3. Re:Skipping 1809? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cannot be skipping.

      You have to install the updates in the order that they came out. While you can "skip" some of the monthly rollup's (which appear to not actually be rollup's since you have to install "several" of them in order, not just the latest one). Updating versions of the OS without a clean install still takes several days while Winders Update plays with itself and applies several updates -- reboot -- apply a few more -- reboot again -- apply a few more -- reboot again -- apply the next release (not the current one) -- reboot again -- apply some updates -- reboot -- apply yet more updates -- reboot again -- apply the next release (still not the current one) -- reboot -- apply some updates -- reboot -- apply some updates -- reboot -- apply some updates -- reboot -- apply the next release -- reboot -- apply some updates -- reboot ... lather rinse repeat -- stepping through each version and update until it is up-to-date.

      You get the drift ...

    4. Re:Skipping 1809? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      You can skip Windows 10 builds. Just do an in-place upgrade. Create the USB drive with the Windows Media Creation tool, leave the flashdrive in place, then just run the setup from it. Alternatively, boot from the flash drive and perform a clean install.

      https://www.microsoft.com/en-u...

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    5. Re:Skipping 1809? by mea2214 · · Score: 1

      I'm still on AU 1607. Not wasting time on a full reinstall to upgrade unless Steam or Virtual Box requires it.

    6. Re:Skipping 1809? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I modded you up as informative, still, that's a heck of a lot of crap to have to do to undo what this update does to peoples machines.

    7. Re:Skipping 1809? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      vlans are still broken... again. Took me several hours to get my audio working.

    8. Re:Skipping 1809? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Update the NIC drivers; sometimes that FUBARs VLAN capability. Though why you would be VLANing from the OS instead of the switch is beyond me. But I'm sure you have your reasons.

      Yes, there's a bug with Intel audio. The fix is rather simple, just update the Intel HD video drivers which includes audio drivers as well for HDMI support. There's also a known issue with Bluetooth audio that subsequently has been already fixed with one of the Windows Updates.

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  6. AdDuplex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ;)

  7. " 19H1 " by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a strain of med-resistant flu.

    1. Re:" 19H1 " by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sounds like a strain of med-resistant flu.

      It probably is. Have your vaccines ready!

  8. Should have pretended it never existed. by xack · · Score: 2

    It would save a whole load of hassle if Microsoft just went straight to 1903 and put 1809 in the archives where Windows ME and Clippy got put.

    1. Re:Should have pretended it never existed. by omnichad · · Score: 2

      That's 19H1. They're too embarrassed about their 03 releases coming out in month 04, and their 09 release coming out in month 11, rolled back and then decided to be ok in the month of....1903, I guess.

    2. Re:Should have pretended it never existed. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Not possible. Microsoft's update process is iterative with bug fixes brought forward. 1903 was built on 1809. If they didn't put the effort into fixing and releasing 1809 how would they find the bugs? It's not like they have a QA/QC team of their own. Skipping 1809 would just turn 1903 (now called 19H1 since MS can't keep to release dates) into the same shitshow.

  9. If only... by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... you could get security updates without getting "enhancements". Right after I fine-tuned my last Win10 installation to turn off all the things I did not want on the system, it updated and gave me more things to turn off. And I still don't know if the things that were actually broken were fixed.

    With having to periodically tell it NOT to do the Fall update, I fixed the updater the way a lot of other people do... By installing Linux. Of course, I went from having an intermittent finger print scanner to a completely non-functional one, but that wasn't a big deal. At least now I can log in without being online.

    1. Re:If only... by antdude · · Score: 2

      It's not just Microsoft too. Apple and others too. I just want fixes! Not new features! :(

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    2. Re:If only... by Zuriel · · Score: 2

      Windows 10 gave me the feeling that I was fighting with my computer to get it to do what I want. Like a shopping trolley with a bad wheel, it had nothing but disdain for my desires and insisted on steering itself into a shelf at every opportunity. It was a constant fight to force it to obey.

      I didn't want to spend time getting things to work on Linux, but I was spending time fighting with my own computer anyway, so I figured I might as well go with the one that isn't deliberately forcing it's idea of how I should use my computer on me.

    3. Re:If only... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      . At least now I can log in without being online.

      You were doing so well before you advertised to the world you have no idea how to setup a Windows computer.

  10. Is it just me or does '19H1' sound like a virus? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

    Just sayin'. Especially in the case of Miscreant-o-soft.

  11. Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Did they fix the problem where every update accesses the new drive letter they created and then incessantly tells me I'm out of space on this drive letter that I didn't make? If not, seems like low hanging fruit for their pajeets.

  12. 1809 has hit some snags for me .... by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Informative

    I recently tried to upgrade an older HP Probook 4520s that originally came with Windows 7. Windows 10 worked just fine on it when I install directly from a DVD with build 1803 on it. But the upgrade to 1809 consistently crashed it, so it would begin booting normally but hit a black screen and total system freeze before you ever got to a login prompt. I tried all the tricks, like installing the 1809 upgrade from a bootable USB stick with that Win 10 build already on it. No go.

    I wound up having to tell it to postpone the 1809 upgrade for 365 days (the longest time period Windows 10 lets you specify), so the computer could keep working.

    I guess it'll be great if the next build addresses the issue and lets me just skip over 1809. But I'm not sure how much they care about specific, older laptops like this one - when HP themselves dropped support for it after Windows 8?

    1. Re:1809 has hit some snags for me .... by mjhgmrd · · Score: 1

      I've got systems on which the graphics driver appears to not support 1809, so become unusable, any that have upgraded have been rolled back to 1803.

    2. Re:1809 has hit some snags for me .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have the same issue (and tried all the same fixes), but my two machines are both stuck at 1709. Even booting off a USB stick, the machines freeze during boot. I'm hopeful at some point this issue will be fixed, and I can just jump over the problematic issues. Otherwise, I guess I'll just be sitting at that version forever.

  13. Sorry..... by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

    I don't do Windows 10. Period.

    1. Re:Sorry..... by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      same here (so far I avoid it)

      i just bought a new Lenovo Thinkpad (refurbished) with windows 7 on it, i skipped over a bunch of offers for thinkpads with windows 10 on it and on page three there was a few with windows 7 still in stock so i grabbed one while it is still available

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  14. Hope its every bit as good as 1803 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm consistently getting months of uptime on my W10 desktop..

    https://imgur.com/a/zmMnULt

    Normal W10 Install - The assumption is that the average user never runs updates, is not equipped to deal with system administration duties. Nerd status is revoked and MS assumes the responsibility of administering your machine. Very Fair assumption given that nerds make up 1% of windows users anyway. "I don't want to deal with it, you guys take care of it" - is what the entire software world is moving towards. You can't pick and choose Gmail or Maps or google docs updates. iOS or Android will continue to nag you forever till you update, or you get forced updates in many cases. This is how the average user has come to expect consumer software works. Linux.. well.. nobody uses it apart from nerds anyway.

    DC Managed W10 Install with WSUS - Your nerd card is handed back to you. You know what all the knobs and dials do. You deal with the system administration and updates yourself.

    Pick the product that best fits your needs.

    1. Re:Hope its every bit as good as 1803 by omnichad · · Score: 2

      So you're saying I should buy a Windows server license and run a domain controller for my home computer and reward Microsoft with loads of cash for this? You are delusional.

    2. Re:Hope its every bit as good as 1803 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, YOU said that, so YOU are probably delusional.

    3. Re:Hope its every bit as good as 1803 by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 2

      assuming your date is not next week (ie in the future), if you haven't rebooted in that long than windows is probably all kinds of fucked. theres probably 2gb of updates since January...
      or are you on a 2 year old version which stupidly is "end of life", and thus you have no updates to apply (Problem solved i guess??)

      I can never reboot a win2k machine either, it doesnt mean that its safe or secure. Microsoft has broken 30 years of precedent, or more, about what it means to run windows with this release. I use it every day and its fucking garbage and getting worse with every feature update.

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  15. It undoes what you had configured... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Like, you have to turn Search Indexing off again, look up autorunning crap and services. I ran O&O Shut Up 10 too, after downloading a newer version of it.

    It's a bit infuriating and you can make mistake or overcorrect thing.. on top of things not being fixable! For instance I can't get rid of SearchUI.exe any more (a Cortana process). I don't need it (I don't even run the MS start menu) and is basically unkillable.
    I disabled the Dolby whatever service (on a laptop). Took me a few days to realize the sound on this laptop had become really atrocious compared to how it should sound. So the right thing to do is to not run the "Dolby Audio" tray icon program on start up, but to still run the "DolbyDAX2API.exe" service on Automatic. (here goes ~8 MB RAM. too bad!). I just had forgotten about this since the previous upgrade.

    I have Windows Defender running, but don't remember if I had disabled it before. You can only "temporarily" disable it.

    ---- you can stop reading my rant here if you want! Funny bug there, I had horrible sound in videos (extremely dynamically compressed, no mediums/bass) because I made a small mistake in configuring my stuff back!

    So if Windows Defender decides to run itself you'll be in for a hour of hard drive grinding where Windows runs even slower than it does otherwise. e.g., when 260% of my RAM is used (is this what the RAM reporting actually means in task manager, performance tab, memory?) the combination of Windows Defender scanning and memory swapping (hundreds of megs swapped in and out while trying to browse) makes things slow.
    The task manager is a complex program that uses tens of megabytes so even to use it data needs to be swapped to disk : tens seconds is common to switch from one tab to another in task manager.

    I'll quit my browse after sending this post, so don't expect another answer from me any time soon. But I can't wait for my browser to quit. After several minutes I'll finally be back to 1.4G RAM used, 2.5G free (if that!).
    The other day, I used the calculator on my phone because Microsoft Calc uses 50MB! I didn't want to add several minutes of 100% disk I/O.
    Given this experience (on hard disk drive), I would probably advise to not buy a Windows 10 laptop or tablet based on eMMC flash. Also get 8GB even if it's for your dog or your grandma. 4GB is ok if you want to run notepad, putty and one website at a time.

  16. Simple Solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Isolate your Windows 10 system behind a firewall, and only use SOCKS proxying via your web browser or other apps to connect. Without a network gateway windows, even windows 10 can't connect out onto the network. If it gets to the point where it starts stealing your proxy credentials to exfiltrate data, don't configure proxy settings on it, keep it isolated and use a secondary computer for network access.

    It's not ideal, but this is the easiest way without a firewall that can block microsoft software from connecting out.

  17. FIX THE INSTALL ERROR LOGGING THEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A new OS doesn't install - Fine, there are so many possible configurations of a PC, maybe no-one can write an OS that can handle them all.

    But then I want to know why - For Windows 10, I have to download a tool to read a 50-megabytes log file THAT CRASHES, and googling the errors numbers shown is USELESS.

    FIX IT MICROSOFT !
    HIRE A DEVELOPER, FFS !

  18. I have stopped playing games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It has been my major enjoyment my entire life. Windows 10 repulse me so much that I can no longer play my favourite games so I do not play at all...

  19. Windows 10 is so big it requires a blueray drive by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    to burn an iso to dvd, (over 4 gigs)

    what microsoft needs to make is a netinst iso like debian does, it just has enough operating system on it to boot up configure the PC hardware including network configuration, then allow installing windows 10 from the internet

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  20. I guess we don't need Plan B by theendlessnow · · Score: 1

    Plan B was to just switch the 8 and the 9 and call it a typo.

  21. Re:Windows 10 is so big it requires a blueray driv by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
    just has enough operating system on it to boot up configure the PC hardware including network configuration, then allow installing windows 10 from the internet

    This is Windows you are talking about - you would have to install the OS before you could install the Wifi drivers, but you would have to install the Wifi drivers before you could install the OS.

    Just stick to Debian and forget Windows.

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  22. Re:Windows 10 is so big it requires a blueray driv by cmdr_klarg · · Score: 1

    You can use the Media Creation Tool to build a bootable USB stick for installing. Works much faster than a DVD.

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  23. Accurate Patch Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least they're naming it like Avian Flu designations; apt for the virus that Windows 10 is.

  24. Re:Windows 10 is so big it requires a blueray driv by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    to burn an iso to dvd, (over 4 gigs)

    So use a double-layer DVD, if you refuse to use a USB stick, or a SD card.

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  25. lazyness by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 2

    Honestly at this point, i think its just easier for these devs to make a new feature than fix an old one. Thats not when they are "fixing" things that were never broken in the first place! (every metro application, calc, paint, etc, have all gotten worse (when they even run...))

    I am not sure its even purposeful, but the result of being lazy. It takes me personally more effort to troubleshoot things than it does to just bang out a new feature, especially if it doesn't have to be perfect. Just meet some arbitrary 6mo deadline..

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  26. Re:Is it just me or does '19H1' sound like a virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows 10 IS a virus. The 19H1 variant is like genital herpes instead of lip herpes.

  27. Sounds like a virus... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and a virus it is.
    19H1, H1N1, what's the difference?
    I don't want to be anywhere near in either case.

  28. Re: Windows 10 is so big it requires a blueray dri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, works fine to create Kubuntu Linux bootable USB stick, install it all over the Microsoft's Windows partition and never look back.

  29. Re: Windows 10 is so big it requires a blueray dri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kubuntu Linux fits on a single layer DVD.
    That is with LibreOffice, Firefox/Chormium and many other applications already included in default installation.

    While the online repository and PPAs contain every single computer program you will ever need. Easily installable with just one click.

    Goodbye Microsoft's Windows.

    However no spyware, that Windows' 10 Telemetry is, is available, sorry. If you like your private data being abused by corporations then Linux is not for you.

  30. Next Update: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "As Windows 10 N1N1 Update Approaches, Microsoft Says Version 1984 is Now Ready For 'Broad Deployment'"

  31. Re:Windows 10 is so big it requires a blueray driv by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    ... It's 2019 and you're using spinning media? What next? A complaint that it doesn't fit on less than 3200 floppy disks? Like seriously who has either a dvd drive or a blueray drive in their PC these days?

  32. Re:Windows 10 is so big it requires a blueray driv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have one in a 2017 laptop - but I can't use it right now as it relies on software eject (!) and doesn't show up in my computer.