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Valve Reveals High-End VR Headset Called the Valve Index (arstechnica.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the who-needs-HTC-anyway dept.

After partnering with HTC to launch the Vive in 2016, Valve has moved ahead with plans to launch its own headset, called the Valve Index, in May 2019. Ars Technica reports: The news came on Friday in the form of a single teaser image, shown above, of a headset with the phrase "Valve Index" written on its front. The front of the headset is flanked by at least two sensors. This shadow-covered hardware matches the leaked headset reported by UploadVR in November of last year. That report hinted to Valve's headset supporting a wider, 135-degree field-of-view (FOV), as opposed to the roughly 110-degree FOV of the original HTC Vive and Oculus Rift.

Valve's dedicated website for the new device includes no other information than the above image and the date "May 2019." It does not include any mention of the new SteamVR Knuckles controllers, which Valve has advertised pretty heavily via developer outreach since their 2016 reveal and a later series of improved prototypes in 2018. This page also doesn't mention a series of three Valve-produced VR games that have been repeatedly advertised by Valve co-founder Gabe Newell since 2017. There's very little information about the headset, but after cranking up the brightness and contrast of the teaser image, Ars Technica's Sam Machkovech was able to find "a series of six dots on one of the headset's surfaces, [...] which may hint to this headset's use of an outside tracking sensor, a la the HTC Vive's infrared trackers." He adds: "Even so, those two giant lenses imply that 'inside-out' tracking, managed entirely by the headset without any extra webcams or sensors, may also be in the cards. Additionally, we can see a giant physical slider, which is likely linked to interpupillary distance (IPD), a precise measurement needed to ensure maximum VR comfort."

87 comments

  1. Um... no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You're not gonna succeed in drumming up any interest for VR in me for another 20 years.

    1. Re: Um... no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol wut.

    2. Re:Um... no. by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      But working 4K at 90 fps for each eye is finally going to get people interested.
      With the cpu and ram and cpu and games all ready.
      4K in each eye was what was missing. 4K will get VR selling.

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  2. dedicated website? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its still hosted on Steam - nothing "dedicated" at all

  3. Re:APK Hosts File Engine for Linux/BSD... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Will somebody please ban this fucktard at the firewall

  4. I can't wait to buy one of these! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't wait to buy one of these! Think about it; VR! It will allow me to watch my favorite youtuber, a renowned Slashdot collaborator, in VR. I can wait to for the feeling I will experience while watching his soft toothless lips in VR!

  5. I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing from Valve seems to even say that it is a headset. The image certainly looks like some sort of thing and it definitely has the words "Valve Index" on it but other than that there's no story here. I don't even see the reference to "May" on their website.

    1. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh please don't break my expectations for fun and truly enjoying myself at the highest level! I just can't wait to watch creimer's soft lips in VR!

    2. Re:I don't get it by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Pictures of the headset have been leaked months ago, so we already knew it was coming, this announcement just makes it official. And May 2019 is written straight on the website itself.

    3. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I may be just missing it I guess or maybe the web site changes depending on which country you're in (which could make sense in terms of a per country or region release schedule) but I see nothing about May 2019 on that page.

    4. Re:I don't get it by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Play with the page zoom, if you are too much zoomed in the date will get clipped away.

    5. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That works - thanks. What a weird way to do a web page.

  6. Are GPUs really ready? by newsdee · · Score: 1

    From what I've seen the issue is not so much the headsets but the fact that graphic cards can't yet keep up with comfortable frame rates. If one needs to upgrade to an NVidia 2080 to get some halfway decent FPS, this one is going to be a hard sell unless they come in some kind of promotion.

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    1. Re:Are GPUs really ready? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not the fault of the GPUs.

      Some VR makers have been taking shortcuts by using machine vision to track the player using multiple cameras. Think not just running two 1080 screens, but also processing two to six video streams at the same time on top of the game itself. IR trackers are better, but there's plenty of upside for efficiency here.

    2. Re:Are GPUs really ready? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are aware that you can combine the power of several video cards in one output, aren't you?

      So for me the price doesn't matter. I am willing to buy 8 X NVidia 2080 and rig them up on a dedicated board sitting aside my computer to get this new VR.

      As long as it allows me to watch my favorite youtuber soft toothless lips move in VR.

    3. Re:Are GPUs really ready? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean you favorite twitch thots?

    4. Re:Are GPUs really ready? by mentil · · Score: 1

      Luckily Valve already has a solution to that. When the Vive first came out, they pushed dynamic rendering resolution so that it'd lower the output resolution on the fly according to how much time it was taking to render. It would be at full resolution if the hardware was able to support it that frame. Valve even open-sourced the code to do this, and again encouraged people to use it. AFAIK few VR apps actually use dynamic resolution, despite this.
      If a commonplace next-gen VR headset were high enough resolution/refresh rate that doing this was finally made mandatory, then the programmers might get around to actually doing it.

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    5. Re:Are GPUs really ready? by ExGemini · · Score: 1

      Do you think it will be noticeable to the end user this dynamic resolution thingy?

    6. Re:Are GPUs really ready? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I have a 3 camera oculus setup and a Vive room-scale system. CPU power for processing the camera based tracking system is negligible. The cameras are tracking vectors in space, not whole scene and object analysis.

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    7. Re:Are GPUs really ready? by AC-x · · Score: 1

      My GTX1060 Laptop can do current-gen VR just fine, so if you need to upgrade at all a GTX1070 should be plenty.

    8. Re:Are GPUs really ready? by jon3k · · Score: 1

      From what I've seen the issue is not so much the headsets but the fact that graphic cards can't yet keep up with comfortable frame rates. If one needs to upgrade to an NVidia 2080 to get some halfway decent FPS, this one is going to be a hard sell unless they come in some kind of promotion.

      As someone who owns a Vive, you're mostly right. No, you don't need a 2080, I have a 1070 that still runs games wonderfully and the experience is nothing short of mind blowing. I just tell everyone to at least give it a shot and don't dismiss it off hand. The experience you get of "presence" cannot be described, you just have to experience it.

      Unfortunately even a 1070 along with the Vive is still a sizeable investment for most people and the prices will need to continue to fall and the hardware needs to improve before we see real mass market adoption. But it's already improved significantly since I purchased a Vive and associated PC to run it.

    9. Re:Are GPUs really ready? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CPU power for processing the camera based tracking system is negligible.

      I'd hope so considering it's the GPU that's doing the processing.

      The cameras are tracking vectors in space, not whole scene and object analysis.

      Right, which is why IR is so much more efficient than camera-based machine vision, which necessarily has to analyze the whole scene to filter out the signal from the noise.

      Your attitude is pernicious. "I own this thing therefore I know about this thing." does not refute truth. Look into how your purchased items actually work instead of how you feel they work.

    10. Re: Are GPUs really ready? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Similar to foveated rendering?

    11. Re:Are GPUs really ready? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      https://uploadvr.com/oculus-cv...

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    12. Re:Are GPUs really ready? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      4K for each eye is tech news?

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    13. Re:Are GPUs really ready? by mentil · · Score: 1

      It can be noticeable, particularly for text. There's probably a way to keep the text rendering at full resolution, though.

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  7. Index by mentil · · Score: 1

    'Index' sure is a geeky name for a VR headset. As in 'index of refraction' perhaps? I can see the marketing now: "Index: find your place in the virtual world."
    Many headsets have an exploration naming scheme: rift, cosmos, odyssey, quest, (re)vive. Some are on the more technical side: gear, focus, reverb, 5k+.

    This will almost certainly be targeted at VR enthusiasts. The text "Upgrade your experience" presumes a target audience who already owns a VR headset, and also throws shade on the Rift S' incremental improvements. That the Rift S was announced only a week ago suggests this announcement is a reaction to that; the camera angle focusing on the hardware IPD adjuster again throws shade on the Rift S for its lack of hardware IPD adjustment. The text implies this will be a substantial upgrade, although I wonder how it'll compare to the Pimax 5k+.

    The RoadToVR article is more confident in saying that the 'mysterious dots' are definitely standard SteamVR tracking dots, and that the cameras have a good chance of being for passthrough video or hand tracking. In my opinion, their positioning and angles suggest they would give very poor coverage for inside-out tracking; the lenses are also larger than necessary for that, and would only be that large if a human would be seeing those images. They could be used for hand tracking in addition to passthrough video, I suppose.

    This headset will almost certainly come with/alongside the Knuckles controllers, which have been more or less consumer-ready for months, apparently waiting for something else's completion before coming to market. I believe these controllers will be a turning point for VR, and will probably buy in to whatever headset they come with. I am kinda curious about the Vive Cosmos, though, since almost nothing is known about that either (except its controllers will look like the Oculus controllers, and it has a normal ~110degree FOV with fresnel lenses.)

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  8. High-End High Fence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds like Valve is targetting enthusiasts, which while not a bad market, does leave their product as an exclusive club.
    I do wonder as well if Valve learned their lessons with their previous hardware outings. Software is obviously their forte. Hardware support is another issue altogether, including customer support, warranty policy, supply and manufacture, etc.
    All in all, this doesn't sound quite like the step forward for mainstream VR, but hey maybe theyll release a budget model sometime later. I'd advise against taking the Oculus approach to that though.

  9. Fucking over partners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Noticing this more and more in business. Company X partners with company Y so that in a couple years company Y can fuck over company X and release something they both worked on without compensating company X. After everything I've seen from Valve, could have predicted it also. Fuck valve and fuck steam.

    1. Re:Fucking over partners by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      Except in this case, the company Valve partnered with (HTC) is absolutely garbage and has the worse customer support to the point of being customer hostile. It would be a terrible decision to "partner" with HTC again.

      Valve is doing a lot of good for linux gamers with Steam Play and employing WINE/DXVK developers.

    2. Re: Fucking over partners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boohoo. More like fuck HTC and their horrible customer service

    3. Re:Fucking over partners by blahplusplus · · Score: 0

      Valve is doing a lot of good for linux gamers with Steam Play and employing WINE/DXVK developers.

      Except this is exactly wrong. Valve is the company that literally stole half-life/counterstrike by inserting steam into it. Before the late 90's/early 2000's, PC gamers owned their games and they game with dedicated servers and level editors. That got dialed back hugely after steam in 2004. The rebranding of PC rpg's in development to mmo's to undermine game ownership. Valve pioneered walled garden gaming. We saw TF2 get mtx around 2010.

      The only reason Valve is making proton and has any interest in linux at all is because of windows 10 drm and the windows store. Windows app store is a threat to valve hence valve's interest in steam. Valve had no interest in that until Microsoft anounced Windows would become a platform and come with an app store. That scared the shit out of valve and got them working on proton.

      The great irony is there we are 20 years later and drm is now in major AAA games out the gate from major AAA game companies so they succesfully stole software from the ignorant masses because the average game buying moron won't stop feeding money to these companies and their abusive practices. Preserving games mobile/pc/otherwise is going to be a nightmare in 20 years or more.

    4. Re:Fucking over partners by LiquidAvatar · · Score: 1

      FWIW, I own a Vive, which broke after about 10 months due to sweat damage. I fought with HTC for several months to try and get them to honor their warranty (which explicitly covered damage caused by sweat), however they insisted that the unit had been submerged in water and refused me at every turn. I have not bought and will not buy another HTC product after that experience. So, if Valve wants to try their hand at releasing a product without HTC, more power to them.

      Also, Valve developed their SteamVR technology, which, as I understand it, was always meant to be made available to many hardware vendors. I think that aspect of the technology failed, because HTC is the only vendor to use the tech to release a product so far. From that perspective (and given HTC's terrible customer support), I think it makes sense that they would develop the product in-house.

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  10. The Non-reveal by Zobeid · · Score: 1

    I saw this teaser yesterday, then today the "Valve Reveals" headline on Slashdot. Oh great, Valve are already giving us the lowdown on it! That was quick! Then look closer, and this is only about the teaser image. Somebody at /. needs to learn what "reveal" means, because this isn't it. Get back to us when you've got some info we can use, 'kay?

  11. RoadToVR coverage by doug141 · · Score: 1

    Outside-in lighthouse compatible, adjustable IPD:
    https://www.roadtovr.com/valve...

    1. Re: RoadToVR coverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lighthouse is inside out, the reporter got it wrong. The lighthouses send infrared and inside the headset and controllers there are detectors the look out for the infrared.

      Anyways there are not many details yet.
      Better pov-yes
      Compatible with current lighthouses-yes?
      Supports or has 60G wireless-dealbreaker, unknown
      New controllers a la vive grip-unknown
      Screendoor gone-unknown
      Lighter-unknown
      Integrated headphones-unknown
      Higher res by a good amount-unknown

      We'll see.

      At this point the only way for pc vr to adopt is for at least one item getting a big jump that is new at each itteration. After going wireless on the original vive there hasnt been much. But if all those checkboxes above are filled I could consider upgrading.

      Lookinng forward to the details honestly.

  12. And the opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After buying a Vive a few years ago, the only thing I play on a monitor now are strategy games. For action games, if it's not in VR, I'm not interested. If this is a significant upgrade from the Vive, I'll probably get one.

  13. It's an impersonator. of me.. apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I didn't post it - some sick in the head IDIOT does all over /. & I just post saying it's not I & bookmark it (w/ STALKERS harassing me on /., just as I was instructed to do YEARS AGO by law enforcement (when some of them made THREATS my way)).

    They do so MOSTLY on a MacOS version I haven't finished yet (hence my initial reply as they usually post that).

    NOR do I intend to on someone else's "schedule", but on MY time once I eventually "fireup" my new Mac-Mini (I like Linux a LOT now, it's "holding me back").

    HOWEVER: I do post on hosts where hosts will stop threats OR solve some other issue, but NOT off-topic in some gaming post on /.!

    * Again - it's sick little DO-NOTHINGS with too much time on their hands/idle hands = the devil's workshop LOSER types, what I call JEALOUS "Lil' Jowies", lol!

    Badly applied time in their WASTED LIVES on their part are doing that crap!

    APK

    P.S.=> Still - I do INTEND eventually to do a MacOS version but I do so on my own pace/timeframe (as I'll need it MYSELF, "necessity is the mother of invention" etc) & once I fire up my Mac - once I get it for MYSELF 1st? Then I offer it to others IF they want such a tool - simple... apk

  14. Still IMPERSONATING me JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    u IMPERSONATE me & also ADMIT u have a /. acct & STALK me by UNIDENTIFIABLE ac https://hardware.slashdot.org/... - YOU got ISSUES.

    That's "best ya got"? OFF-TOPIC impersonating me?? Please:

    u WISH u were ME (as ur POOR imitation = the sincerest form of flattery).

    WASTING ur life STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anon OR IMPERSONATING me?

    Make a Wheel https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di... as I did giving users more speed/security/reliability & anonymity NATIVELY doing more for less vs. ANY single 'solution' via the best hosts file multiplatform:

    APK Hosts File Engine 2.0++ 64-bit for Linux h t t p : / / a p k . i t - m a t e . c o . u k / A P K H o s t s F i l e E n g i n e F o r L i n u x . z i p

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  15. Honestly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    VR is a non-starter, it hasn't advanced that much since the *last* wave of hype 20 years ago. It still makes people dizzy, the gear is cumbersome, and if you wear corrective lenses, forget it, it's a joke. I doubt we will see anything truly useful come out of this in our lifetimes, and even for gaming it's pretty much a novelty, 3D TV 2.0. Enjoy it while it lasts, because it won't be hitting the mainstream in a meaningful way.

    1. Re:Honestly by Zobeid · · Score: 1

      My HTC Vive doesn't make me dizzy, is only a bit cumbersome (largely because I haven't yet sprung for the new cordless upgrade), and I got prescription inserts that work Just Fine. I've been using it since the system was released, and there's a lot more software now. I have no idea about "hitting mainstream", since everyone seems to have a different idea of what qualifies as mainstream. What I do know is that VR is working pretty well for a lot of us out here, and it doesn't appear to be going away at all.

    2. Re:Honestly by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Cheap VR does that. I had the _exact_ same misconceptions as you, due to cheap VR, until I tried _good_ VR. I never get nauseous playing First Person Shooters but I do with cheap VR. Bad VR is anything sub 90 frames/sec.

      I don't get dizzy and can wear glasses with my VR.

      Other then that, yeah most people don't want to wear some bulky thing on their head. Nausea due to cheap VR is never a good marketing point.

    3. Re:Honestly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought this until I spent like 100+ hours in Skyrim VR. Ruined regular videogames for me.

    4. Re:Honestly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wont hit mainstream until whatever you call "not cheap VR" does actually become cheap. So cheap one might buy it as an addition to an Xbox. Maybe 300 dollars including the processing power to run the thing.

      Until then, it will only be a novelty for the very few (0.5% on steam was it?) with a great deal of expendable income.

    5. Re:Honestly by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      I agree that VR is a "niche" application; it is doubtful it will ever go mainstream until we have cybernetic eye implants -- at which point VR will be redundant.

    6. Re: Honestly by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Anonymous Coward 8 hours ago VR is a non-starter, it hasn't advanced that much since the *last* wave of hype 20 years ago.

      There was no 'wave of hype' twenty years ago; there were two primitive, proprietary headsets (that I can recall), the Forte VFX1 and SimulEyesVR (or something like that); they were only supported by a handful of titles and were utterly pointless.

      And you're a fucking crackhead.

    7. Re: Honestly by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      ...it is doubtful it will ever go mainstream until we have cybernetic eye implants

      Did you come up with that when you were on or off your meds?

    8. Re:Honestly by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      It just needs more 4K in each eye. Then VR will sell.

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  16. impossible to google. by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    When your company name is a common noun you should not name your products with common words. One of two things becomes a problem either no one can find your product or conversely if you become famous like "Amazon" then you now obliterate searches for the original words

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    1. Re:impossible to google. by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      I used to play an MMO called 'Glitch' made by a company called Tiny Speck.

      If you want to name a game so that it is impossible to google for pages and reviews about it, name it 'Glitch.'

    2. Re:impossible to google. by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      A very long time ago, I searched for the lyrics of "Sexual" by Goddess. Guess what all the results were...

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    3. Re: impossible to google. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate Jews and blacks?

    4. Re:impossible to google. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A very long time ago, I searched for the lyrics of "Sexual" by Goddess. Guess what all the results were...

      A song about being a Hollywood / Music Industry Paedophile?

      Hey little boy, what you gonna do tonight
      Hey little boy, gonna make you feel right
      Hey little boy, you got the key to my lock
      Hey little boy, let the cradle rock

  17. Re:It's an impersonator. of me.. apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could solve an impersonation issue by authenticating. Otherwise, we just have to assume it's you. You can't post something and then say "Oh, that wasn't me" when someone takes issue with what you post. If you want to not be anonymous, don't post anonymously.

  18. U tell me that as UNIDENTIFIABLE ac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HILARIOUS you reply by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous saying I should use a "registered lusr" account, eh HYPOCRITE? 2 good reasons I don't:

    1st I've been threatened I'd be "downmod bombed" by TRACKING & STALKING my "registered lusr" history page! That's the "best they got" & it ain't much (it's SQUAT, see links below, lol).

    So NO - I won't make it EASY on morons trying to hassle me!

    * Which they always do, 1st!

    Only to get SHOT DOWN for their fuckups vs. me e.g. (3 of 1,000's I have bookmarked) https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    2nd = YES, you are tracked on /., by scripts galore no less as well from advertisers + yes, this site itself.

    APK

    P.S.=> No thanks to EITHER one - they're NOT for me on all accounts noted... apk

    1. Re:U tell me that as UNIDENTIFIABLE ac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike you, that AC wasn't whining about supposedly being impersonated. When you post anonymously, which you do, you forfeit any legitimate grounds to complain about impersonation.

      One of the comments you linked to is from this story. Most of the comments in that story are about your spam rather than the Qbot malware. You have no problem hijacking discussions when it suits your purpose to do so. It's just more evidence that you're not a victim at all. You just like inciting trouble, then pretending to be a victim when others push back.

  19. Re:It's an impersonator. of me.. apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, please explain why this comment was relevant to the story it was posted in? You posted about hosts in a story about giving users free movie tickets when they voluntarily watch ads for 15 minutes. How is hosts relevant to that?

    You most certainly do post about hosts where they're not relevant to the original story. That's just one example of you doing so.

    And then there's not just one, not just two, not just three, but four offtopic spam posts about Rachel Maddow in a story about Intel CPU vulnerabilities. You followed up those posts with antisemitic spam that you felt the need to repost. Again, none of that has anything to do with vulnerabilities in Intel CPUs, yet you posted that spam anyway.

    You post lots of offtopic spam. When your offtopic spam gets modded down, rather than accept it, you repost the same spam over and over and over again. You say you're "running users dry" of their "abused downmodpoints" but you're really just flooding Slashdot with spam.

    You're not a victim here, not even close. You're a spammer with a grudge against the owner of Slashdot and many of its users. You pledged to flood Slashdot with spam on January 1, then on February 9, because of your bitterness toward Slashdot's owner. You've even claimed you're capable of taking Slashdot offline within a matter of minutes, which is an implied threat.

    Perhaps if you didn't act like a compete asshole, users wouldn't respond in kind.

  20. I block ads (giving folks more than tickets) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    Your "antisemtic" one - YET another you lose on via FACT?

      Another FACT (Cohen IS A JEW & yes, what I posted about JEWS LYING comes RIGHT out of their "BOOK OF LAW" the "talmud" - fact). IN FACT, I challenged ANYONE to validly DISPROVE what I wrote - NOBODY could (lol, as always).

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    FACE FACTS - you're too STUPID to ever get the best of me - accept it.

    APK

    P.S.=> I won't LET you & LAUGH every SINGLE TIME I do it DEFYING you WEEZIL whimps, lol... & you know it + you OBVIOUSLY DO NOT LIKE IT (I love it)... apk

    1. Re:I block ads (giving folks more than tickets) by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Most of us skip over your crapflooding.

      If you didn't format your spam in such an easily identifiable way, you might suck more people into reading your crapflood.

      In any case, carry on if it amuses you.

    2. Re:I block ads (giving folks more than tickets) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original post in the Rachel Maddow thread wasn't offtopic at all. It was trying to be funny, saying that Intel CPU vulnerabilities are about as common as Trump posting stupid stuff on his Twitter account. It wasn't offtopic at all. Then you showed up, didn't say anything about Intel CPU vulnerabilities, and started spamming about Rachel Maddow over and over.

      You lied about the original post being offtopic, then you used that lie in an attempt to justify your spam. You were modded down for being offtopic. Rather than accept that your posts belonged at -1, you reposted them over and over.

      As for Michael Cohen, he probably is Jewish. So what? You've provided zero evidence that his actions were because he was following a collection of ancient Jewish legal texts. For that matter, you quote tiny portions of the Talmud, almost certainly taken out of context, for the purpose of making Jews look bad. It would be like me quoting Mark 7:10-13 to suggest that Jesus condones putting children to death for disobeying the commandment to honor your father and mother. You're being dishonest and you know it. You're also too much of a coward to put your name on a lot of the antisemitic spam you post.

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      +1 Interesting How my code selfprotects the hosts engine https://it.slashdot.org/commen...
      +1 Informative Beating 10++ botnet's 1 year in days of 1 another https://it.slashdot.org/commen...
      +1 CloudFlare = much malware https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...
      +1 Stopping bitcoin harvesting https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...
      +1 Stopping wannacry https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
      +1 Stopping Petya/NotPetya/BadRabbit https://science.slashdot.org/c...
      +1 Quoted registered /.ers disagree troll https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
      +1 Stop ad tracking/infecting/slowing https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...
      +1 Why I chose Delphi to do APK Hosts File Engine (faster/safer vs. MSVC defaults) https://developers.slashdot.or...
      +1 HOSTS make you faster/safer natively https://entertainment.slashdot...

      APK

      P.S.=> 2017/2018

    4. Re:I block ads (giving folks more than tickets) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I state fact on Maddow losing views. How'd you know what a troll who posted what I replied to was "funny" speaking for him now (it was you obviously).

      What I replied to was off topic so I posted facts vs. you traitors to the USA.

      Cohen is a lawyer and jewish.

      Sensible of ME then to beat him down with Jew's Talmud BOOK OF LAW (proving jews lie).

      Cmdln Daco FAKENAME - I'd like to THANK YOU though for letting me REFINE a pile of data https://games.slashdot.org/com...

      Just so I can reuse it again on BIGMOUTH DOUCHES like you to make "your kind" EAT YOUR WORDS (in the future, see below).

      APK

      P.S.=> It was TRULY a PLEASURE shutting you DOWN with MORE FACTS vs. your BS Cmdln Daco FAKE NAME, lol, TOTALLY Mb by my use of FACTS vs. your FICTIONS lol (in 15 posts using CONCRETE, Visible, VERIFIABLE & Undeniable proofs from our /. peers DUMBO, lol)... apk

  21. Says butthurt AC I crushed on QBot, lol... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You had to EAT YOUR WORDS on the QBot one (lol, you did it to yourself): "Your blocklist didn't do shit until last week, when you read about it in the news. Pathetic" by Anonymous Coward KING OF FAILURES on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @01:44PM (#58226464) from https://it.slashdot.org/commen...

    LOL, who's PATHETIC & A BLOWHARD CHUMP LIAR now?

    PROOF I COVERED QBot YEARS before despite your BS I quoted above! https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... LMAO!

    As I said in my other replies to a HYPOCRITE using Anonymous vs. me SAYING I should not?

    Concrete, visible + VERIFIABLE & UNDENIABLE FACTS destroy "your kind", everytime.

    APK

    P.S.=> You PLAYED yourself bigmouth (again) - go get some coffee OR @ LEAST A BRAIN THAT WORKS RIGHT because you are TOO EASY to BLOW AWAY, with facts that shut your bs down weezil... apk

  22. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #1/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

    Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant August 10 2015

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg September 25 2015

    I like your host file system by Karmashock September 09 2015

    that APK guy, I use his host file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

    I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

    * SEE SUBJECT & TELL US: How does EATING YOUR WORDS taste?

    APK

    P.S.=> You're already VASTLY OUTNUMBERED but many more are coming (you haven't done better)

  23. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #2/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk has the answer for that - really... kill automatic updates by adding a hosts file entry setting updates.steam.com or whatever to 127.0.0.1. You have to find the right hostname for each software you want to block updates on by raymorris (2726007) on Friday July 06, 2018

    APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat (756137) on Wednesday June 21, 2017

    I support APK's stand on the hosts file and can't see why it's not used more than it is. My hosts file is 144247 lines long (4,332 Kb) it & a firewall serves me very well - by Trax3001BBS (2368736)

    ABP is insufficient as a solid hosts file does everything APK reminds us about fast turtle September 17 2013

    You need APK's hosts file - by Teun (17872) on Wednesday August 06, 2014

    APK

    P.S.=> You EATING YOUR WORDS != GOOD NUTRITION... apk

  24. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #3/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa on Saturday May 16, 2015

    APK solution STILL relevant Thud457 June 11 2015

    In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015

    APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment - by Culture20 on Thursday November 17

    you're right about hosts files - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26

    APK, I know people give you a lot of shit regarding hosts, but please don't ever stop - by nasredin (958927) on Friday June 12, 2015 @03:34PM

    APK

    P.S.=> Are you ENJOYING the taste of EATING YOUR WORDS yet?... apk

  25. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #4/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works. - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015

    get around to 'installing' a hosts file list, not sure which one, likely the one from someonewhocares.org. If it works as well as what I used for a while about ten years ago, I'll be happy. And grateful to APK for the lesson and the reminder. - by kermidge (2221646) on Wednesday March 27

    I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster. - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17

    dammit MS, you proved APK right about something by lgw

    APK

    P.S.=> Your words YOU'RE EATING: You choking on them yet?... apk

  26. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #5/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (APK) is still right a hosts file really does work. It even blocked a some of the video ads that were inserted into a stream OrangeTide February 10 2016

    the Host File Engine performs exactly as promised - by mmell (832646) on Thursday February 16, 2017

    I do use APK's host file on all my systems at home by OrangeTide December 01 2017

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    * Toss on 200,000++ users worldwide too!

    WANT MORE? Ask & "ye shall receive" to your public dismay!

    APK

    P.S.=> You still haven't said how EATING YOUR WORDS tastes? apk

  27. 100 upmods of my hosts posts #1/?... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2008 (1) +2 Insightful rated:

    2008 +2 Insightful rated - APPLYING HOSTS TO DIFF. PLATFORM W/ TCP-IP STACK BASED ON BSD:-> http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...

    2009 (10):

    2009 +4 Interesting rated - Massive bennies of HOSTS-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    2009 +2 Informative rated - HOSTS MOD UP-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    2009 +2 Interesting rated - 0.0.0.0 IN HOSTS-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    2009 +1 Insightful rated - HOSTS MOD UP-> http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    2009 +1 Insightful rated - HOSTS MOD UP-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    2009 +1 Insightful rated - 0.0.0.0 in HOSTS-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
    2009 +1 Interesting rated - HOSTS MOD UP-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    2009 +1 Interesting rated - 0.0.0.0 in HOSTS-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    2009 +1 Informative rated - 0.0.0.0 in HOSTS-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    2009 +1 Informative rated - HOSTS MOD UP-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

  28. 100 upmods of my hosts posts #1/? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2010 (9):

    2010 +5 Informative rated - HOSTS and BGP +5 RATED (BEING HONEST)-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    2010 +3 Informative rated - HOSTS MOD UP-> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    2010 +1 Insightful rated - HOSTS FILE MOD UP FOR ANDROID MALWARE-> http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...
    2010 +1 Insightful rated - APK 20++ POINTS ON HOSTS MOD UP-> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    2010 +1 Insightful rated - HOSTS MOD UP-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
    2010 +1 Informative rated - HOSTS MOD UP-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
    2010 +1 Informative rated - HOSTS MOD UP-> http://apple.slashdot.org/comm...
    2010 +1 Interesting rated - HOSTS MOD UP-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
    2010 +1 no rating - HOSTS MOD UP(w/ facebook known bad sites blocked)-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    2010 +1 Informative - Mod UP -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... + & cited by Eugene Kabelmast https://kabelmast.wordpress.co...

    APK

  29. 100 upmods of my hosts posts #1/? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2011 (8):

    2011 +1 Interesting rated - HOSTS MOD UP-> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    2011 +1 Informative rated - HOSTS MOD UP ZEUSTRACKER-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
    2011 +1 Informative rated - HOSTS MOD UP CAN DO SAME AS THE "CloudFlare" Server-Side service-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
    2011 +1 no rating - HOSTS MOD UP & OPERA HAUTE SECURE-> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    2011 +1 no rating - HOSTS MOD UP vs AT&T BANDWIDTH CAP-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    2011 +1 no rating - BANNER ADS & BANDWIDTH-> http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    2011 +1 no rating - HOSTS & PROTECT IP ACT-> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    2011 +1 no rating - HOSTS WORK & HOW/WHY-> https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

  30. 100 upmods of my hosts posts #1/? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2012 +4 Interesting rated - HOSTS MOD UP "how to secure smartphones"-> http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...
    2012 +3 Informative rated - HOSTS vs. TRACKING ONLINE BY ADVERTISERS & BETTER THAN GHOSTERY-> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    2012 +2 Informative rated - HOSTS MOD UP vs. Facebook b.s.-> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    2012 +1 Informative rated - APK Hosts File Engine 5.0++ 32/64-bit:-> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    2012 +1 Interesting rated - HOSTS MOD UP "How I only hardcode in 50 of my fav. sites"-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
    2012 +1 - 21 Advantages of Hosts Files-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
    2012 +1 - HOSTS FOR ANDROID SMARTPHONES-> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    2012 +1 - HOSTS MOD UP "Free Apps Eat your Battery via ad displays"-> http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...
    2012 +1 - APK Hosts File Engine 5.0++ 32/64-bit:-> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    2012 +1 - HOSTS MOD UP vs. SOPA act-> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    APK

  31. 100 upmods of my hosts posts #1/? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +2 Interesting - "It's working: Neville... it's working!"-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
    +2 Interesting - on ANDROID vs. malware ad networks-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
    +1 Informative - Hosts Files vs. Kelihos Botnet (using FastFlux, DynDNS, & TOR)-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
    +1 Informative - http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    +1 Informative - http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    +1 Interesting - vs. new gTLD's out of ICANN & being "UNICODE READY" http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    +1 Interesting - (For End-Users vs. NetWork Solutions Hosted DNS outage #1 of 2)-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    +1 Interesting - (For End-Users vs. NetWork Solutions Hosted DNS outage #2 of 2)-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    +1 - http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    +1 - Hosts Files vs. Keylogger Virus + PONY BOTNET C&C Servers-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
    +1 - http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    APK

  32. Outside In as well as Inside Out by The+Raven · · Score: 1

    The cameras have been known about, and indicate inside out tracking (where the device determines your position by analyzing the video feed of your movement). But the new image does show faint circles, which are indicators of Valve's outside-in tracking (the detectors for the base station infrared laser sweeps). So that's news... it'll offer both methods? Simultaneously perhaps, to allow for robust tracking even when the base station goes out of view? Outside-in is usually more accurate too, so this may allow for multiple price-points... high quality by adding some base stations in a fixed area, or adequate quality but able to be used anywhere, or without paying for the added base stations.

    --
    "I will trust Google to 'do no evil' until the founders no longer run it." Hello Alphabet.
  33. 100 upmods of my hosts posts #1/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2014 +1 Interesting rated - Wladimir Palant RAN when confronted on hosts superiority over adblock-> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    2014 +1 Interesting rated - Stopping slashdot beta redirect #2-> http://politics.slashdot.org/c...
    2014 +1 Informative rated - AdBlock sued by French AdPublishers (my facts on hosts superiority to it)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
    2014 +1 Insightful rated - APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit-> http://linux.slashdot.org/comm...
    2014 +1 - Hosts DEFEAT ClarityRay which defeats adblock-> http://ask.slashdot.org/commen...
    2014 +1 - Stopping slashdot beta redirect-> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    2014 +1 - Hosts mod up "you can't be infected if you can't touch it"-> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    2014 +1 - Hosts AUTOMATE 10 different sources via APK Hosts File Engine-> https://ask.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

  34. 100 upmods of my hosts posts #1/? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2015 +1 Informative rated - HOW TO REMOVE Windows 7/8/Vista/10 tracking vs. "hosts don't work on Windows" b.s. -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    2015 +1 - Hosts vs. DNS efficiencies: http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
    2015 +1 - Telling the truth of Microsoft, Amazon, & Google bribing adblock to NOT BLOCK THEIR ADS -> http://apple.slashdot.org/comm...
    2015 +1 - Showing user satch89450 about APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    2015 +1 - "Register" function/proc calling possible in Object Pascal 32 vs. 64-bit -> https://games.slashdot.org/com...

    APK

  35. 100 upmods of my hosts posts #1/? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +2 Informative hosts protect vs. Stegano-> https://it.slashdot.org/commen...
    +1 Interesting Better antivirus than antivirus = hosts https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...
    +1 Interesting Hosts works vs Chrome 50 Google 'PUSH-iness' tech-> https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
    +1 Informative Hosts stop JAKU -> https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
    +1 Informative hosts protect vs. Stegano2 https://it.slashdot.org/commen...
    +1 Insightful Protection vs. router exploit vs. malvertising campaign BETTER vs NOSCRIPT & adblockers (less steps)-> https://it.slashdot.org/commen...
    +1 Insightful 10 false positives from AV companies I beat -> https://it.slashdot.org/commen...
    +1 Win7 performs BETTER, safer & faster via Hosts-> http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...
    +1 Blow away openbid adnetwork malware-> https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
    +1 I don't see ADS on YouTube vs. UNSKIPPABLE ads-> https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

    2016

    APK

  36. 100 upmods of my hosts posts #1/? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1 Hosts stop Maxthon browser sending data to CHINA-> https://it.slashdot.org/commen...
    +1 APK Hosts File Engine superiority to hostsman-> https://it.slashdot.org/commen...
    +1 "NOT EVEN CLOSE"-> https://it.slashdot.org/commen...
    +1 "Bounty killers appeared"-> https://interviews.slashdot.or...
    +1 "Unaffected by DynDNS DDoS via OpenDNS & hosts-> https://ask.slashdot.org/comme...
    +1 Better AV vs antivirus-> https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...
    +1 Protection vs. 8 botnets 1 week-> https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...
    +1 hosts file vs. router infectiors https://it.slashdot.org/commen...

    APK

    P.S.=> From 2016 #2/2

  37. Re:Are GPUs really ready? Uhm yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the Minimum Spec is a 970
    https://support.oculus.com/248749509016567/

    An in point of fact, the most popular Vive game, Beat Saber, can be played on the Snapdragon 835 used by Oculus Quest.
    https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/03/oculus-quests-powerful-portable-vr-as-proven-by-the-fun-of-beat-saber/

    The hardware is there, the "What" is what's holding back VR. No what's holding back VR is "the Why" people need a compelling utilitarian reason to adopt VR. Playing games is a great recreational past time, but it's not a driving force. We adopted Smart phones because they obviated MP3 players, PDAs, Phones, Calculators, laptops and an entire ecosystem of equipment. When VR can do that, it will then go broadly mainstream.

  38. Cmdln Daco YOU PLAYED YOURSELF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cmdln Daco YOU PLAYED YOURSELF https://games.slashdot.org/com... & I blew you away, lol...

    * Next time you TRY your horseshit on me FAKENAME fuck? I'll toss that out there to HUMILIATE you PUBLICLY shitbrain!

    APK

    P.S.=> CHUMP... apk

  39. Nope by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    At this point VR causes me less nausea than bad 3D games played on a large monitor (like The Witness, which makes me sick after about a half hour).

    You are right about gear being cumbersome but we are already seeing reduction in that area with self-contained headsets. If you go in something like the Void you basically wear a small backpack/vest and a helmet and you get fully mobile VR.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  40. all i'm interested in is by sad_ · · Score: 1

    how good will linux work with it?
    after all these years the vive still is rather troublesome to setup.

    --
    On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
  41. Other side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very interesting story. i can advice you to check poker strategy for more information about games. Maybe, it must be cool, if in real time we can play in video poker with VR?