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Canada Warming At Twice the Global Rate, Report Finds (www.cbc.ca)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CBC.ca: Canada is, on average, experiencing warming at twice the rate of the rest of the world, with Northern Canada heating up at almost three times the global average, according to a new government report. Entitled "Canada's Changing Climate Report (CCCR)," the study was commissioned by the Environment and Climate Change Department and was slated to be released officially on Tuesday. That release date was moved up to Monday after CBC published its story about the leaked report.
The leaked copy of the report says that since 1948, Canada's annual average temperature over land has warmed 1.7 C, with higher rates seen in the North, the Prairies and northern British Columbia. In Northern Canada, the annual average temperature has increased by 2.3 C. According to the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), since 1948, global average temperatures have increased by about 0.8 C. Along with these temperature increases, the CCCR says Canada is experiencing increases in precipitation (particularly in winter), "extreme fire weather" and water supply shortages in summer, and a heightened risk of coastal flooding. The document says that while warming in Canada has been the result of both human activity and natural variations in the climate, "the human factor is dominant," especially emissions of greenhouse gases.
The leaked copy of the report says that since 1948, Canada's annual average temperature over land has warmed 1.7 C, with higher rates seen in the North, the Prairies and northern British Columbia. In Northern Canada, the annual average temperature has increased by 2.3 C. According to the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), since 1948, global average temperatures have increased by about 0.8 C. Along with these temperature increases, the CCCR says Canada is experiencing increases in precipitation (particularly in winter), "extreme fire weather" and water supply shortages in summer, and a heightened risk of coastal flooding. The document says that while warming in Canada has been the result of both human activity and natural variations in the climate, "the human factor is dominant," especially emissions of greenhouse gases.
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USA is generating all that heat, and heat rises, and Canada is above USA, so...
can really generate the heat. I blame Tim Hortons.
On the positive side of things this would indicate that there are some countries warming slower than (though not necessarily at half) the global rate.
To be fair though a lot of Canadians don't care too much. There are 6 or 7 new beaches by the house I still maintain in Central Alberta that simply didn't exist a decade ago. The water is nice and hot most of the summer now. A lot of the guys on the lake lots around there would gladly have global warming and Canada has ample room for even 400-1000% more population than it has now.
lol ok
but you are stuck with creimer
If this keeps up strong black conservatives will start moving into Canadia and displacing the weak liberal anti-racist whites. This can not happen. We need mobilize all caring white liberals to fight this global climate change. Keep the great white north cold, frigid, and white.
Hooray for liberalism.
That's hardly terror inducing.
Oops, sorry, I mean...the sky is falling!!! We're all going to die!!!!
The ice will melt in April now. It will be bit more tropical. Great for property values...
The Royal Metrological Society in the UK found that 1 deg of the increase was from urbanization, not CO2. Buildings/asphalt absorbing heat during the day and radiating back out during the evening, thereby increasing Tmin (and thus the average). Same effect here?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
What a good thing! What a wonderful thing!
I live in Toronto. The winters here are frickin freezing. Just a few days ago we had snow, and it's April already, for Christ's sake.
I welcome global warming with open arms.
LOL you almost got me that time!!
Canada will soon be a livable country.
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
When the permafrost thaws, the carbon in it starts getting converted to CO2 and methane. There's enough carbon in the permafrost to torch the planet.
https://phys.org/news/2018-12-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Geoengineering options include increasing albedo through deforestation.
It’s fucking cold there. I want it warmer.
Canada is multicultural and we have people from all over. When the environment changes life evolves. And then add into the mix that there are mixed couples all over the place. I have a mixed background myself. Canada might be a human evolutionary bonanza. Hopefully people can recognize it as such, reject religion and become realists..But as long as the environmental rate of change is slower than the species can adapt we are safe so that could buy us a few more years to get things right. But if that change is too big and too fast we can kiss our ass goodbye.Unfortunately evolution teaches us not every member of the species will survive, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't help them out. Darwin is a bitch, but he was right.In theory there will be people who thrive in the new climate..
They got the recipe for poutine by stealing it from the US where it was originally invented and called a "horseshoe".
They did invent pineapple pizza, wolverines, and Bubbles though. So best we just all calm the hockey fight down already before somebody says something they might regret.
https://youtu.be/Wu4krJJkkIs
fuck off ivan your potato is showing
I don't even know who that is. But you seem to know and care a lot, so guess who's really "stuck".
All the climate models show that temperatures should rise faster closer to the arctic, here in Norway we have measured the same rise as in Canada, i.e. about twice the global average.
Norway starts at 58N, North Cape is 71 degrees North. Except for the Gulf Stream Norway would not be habitable at all.
Terje
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"
But getting longer warmer summers and less ice and snow in the winter makes up for it! :)
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
They measure a volume of air's temperature. So not merely the 1m temps of a Stephenson Screen, but the bottom x00m or more. Learn how satellite temperature measurements are made BEFORE you opine on them as if you're knowledgeable when you're clearly a moron on the subject.
Of the industrialized countries only Australia is worse. We beat the American's by over 5% and that's not counting the fact that we fudge the numbers. The Canadian government chose not to include methane being released by rotting wood from forests. It turns out if you clear cut large areas and then replant those areas with only one type of tree those trees become susceptible to disease. Who would have thought. I guess there is some justice in seeing the Australians suffer but I can't see many Canadians complaining.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
fucking brebart morons, they make any old shit up if it fits their political ideology and terrified fears of anyone other than them.
Wrong twice, as well as with your assertion that satellites don't measure air temperatures.
CO2 and H2O's spectra don't overlap. They occupy the same band, but your local FM stations both use the FM band, but don't overlap: you have to tune to the specific channel.
Moreover, WATER FALLS OUT AS RAIN.
So all you're doing here when pretending to counter AGW science and be in denial of realit is proving that there's a large positive feedback: Water Vapour.
It has a bigger effect than CO2's yet its presence is increased because of CO2's effect, so that means the effect is more than 2x what CO2 on its own would be. About 3.2-3.5x as much.
Sorry. I'm truly ashamed.
You claimed that satellites don't measure air temps. YOU WERE WRONG. So when this was pointed out WHOOSH!!!! went your goalposts and suddenly it has to be 1m. Except that isn't where our weather is, you fucking lying idiot. Nor most of our livable area: we normally use two or more storey houses, both for living and work.
So the stephenson screen doesn't measure surface air, only spot temperature.
Unlike satellites which that is all they do: the surface air. All of it. A volume, not a point in space.
Nor does that fact change you were 100% absolutely wrong and still refuse to accept it, because you're terrified that if you admit it you suddenly have to look again at all the denier tropes you've engorged yourself on and maybe find yourself wrong about many more things.
And your ego can't handle that.
You claimed that satellites don't measure air temps.
No, I claimed that they don't measure surface air temperature. There's a standard definition for that, and it doesn't mean the bottom half kilometer of the atmosphere. It means the temperature a small distance above the surface.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Not sure if you're trolling or stupid, but at least this conversation can help to educate others, so I guess it doesn't really matter either way.
Since its 1m ABOVE THE SURFACE.
Moreover, since the volume x00m above the surface INCLUDES the surface, you're STILL utterly wrong about satellites.
You fucking clueless lying moron.
And as to that other lying sack of shit Lyingwood Rooster:
Moreover the spencer data is the result of a MODEL. One where he puts fudge factors in AND DOES NOT EXPLAIN OR PROVE THEIR ACCURACY.
Moreover which one denier morons like yourself use changes depending on which one is least agreeing with the IPCC.
However satellites are showing a trend that ranges from higher than the IPCC to lower than the IPCC, depending on whether it is El Nino or La Nina. Lastly since satellite data picks up through a depth ofatmosphere, it will include the higher levels of atmosphere, which due to CO2 being the cause of the warming, are cooler than they would otherwise be if, for example, "it's the sun!" doing it. Because trapping heat in will stop the upper layers of the atmosphere being warmed. So satellites were ALWAYS predicted to show a lower trend if it were due to AGW.
Oh, and, no, most data is collected by satellite. Several polar satellites will over that areaand they report every ~30km and several times a day. Since Canda is a lot bigger than 30km on a side, most of the data is from satellites.
Denier morons proving AGW once again. Truly flat earthering in their ineptitude.
Okay. So it is now officially April 2nd in all of the (at least CONTINENTAL) United States.
So. Which stories from yesterday here were real, and which stories total bullshit? /. is still doing this, right?
Our reign has gone on long enough. Indeed. Summon the meteors.
MODTRANS is where you need to look, and there you will see that they DO NOT OVERLAP.
Tell me, when you thought to look for science WHY did you go to a denier blogroll and NOT a science website?Oh, rhetorical question: you did it because going to the science won't give you the answer you want.
They overlap like your FM stations overlap. They occupy the same band, they do not occupy the same frequencies.
Next time don't stop at your "convenient" quotemine but do the rest of the post a good reading too. And stop using your denier hindbrain for that, engage the forefront, where rational thinking resides, not where the tribal basal functions of your animal heritage does.
> CO2 and H2O's spectra don't overlap. *They occupy the same band, but your local FM stations both use the FM band, but don't overlap: you have to tune to the specific channel.*
You lying sack of denier shit.
You can definitely say that Canada is "heating up" when you want to convey the impression that the weather up there will actually be hot. You could also say that it's "getting less cold and inhospitable" to convey the same information, but with a different kind of spin. It all depends on who is paying you.
Nope, never claimed they were infinitely thin, just that they don't overlap. Those FM stations use channels that have width, yet still they don't overlap, despite all being in the same band.
"'Lines' overlap..."
Pressure broadening depends on pressure for a start and only broadens the line. More, there's temperature broadening too. Doppler shift. NEITHER mandate that this makes the lines overlap between H2O and CO2. So bringing it up is just more ignorant fluffery.
AGAIN, go look at MODTRANS. The full QM treatment is done and WTFUWT abused it and lied about it to maintain their dishonest fuckwittery about AGW, just like you. The lines do not overlap.
Unless you're going to point out that QM means that every line overlaps because it only goes to 0 at infinity, which would not only fit in with your whoosing of goalposts, it also fits with your attempts to try to kill your own argument if it means killing the rational science based real answer you're being countered with.
Shit, you're an idiot. You sure its not "religion of piss off"?
900 years ago Vikings were raising cattle, barley and wheat on Greenland and had been for 100 years perhaps more. Then it got too cold. It's still too cold.
US is way up at the top of the most polluting people, although to be fair Canada is right up their with them. So they basically caused this themselves.
Someday my ggrandkids will going to the store to pick up a carton of Okanagan Valley orange juice.
Bought to you by and the Lynnwood denier.
I think Canada will soon be a livable country.
Temperatures in Sweden, on roughly the same latitudes as Canada, have also been reported as rising twice as much as the global mean.
The press release (Swedish) from the Swedish meteorological institute was posted last Friday, and in the newspaper this mornin.
That temperatures would be rising faster near the poles than the global mean, is right in line with expectations. So nobody around here who is the least bit in the know about climate change is surprised one bit.
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
The Climate Change "Truthers" (including their "scientists") will continue to say "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!" and "Death to Climate Change Deniers!"
The Climate Change "deniers" will continue to say "No it's not, no it's not" "Death to the Climate Change "Truthers"!".
Guess what it's all a load of horse shit! No one on either side can TRUTHFULLY prove their point! I don't give a shit how many articles you point to, how many FAKE, DISCREDITED studies you point too. How much FALSIFIED data you point to. Because BOTH sides have been shown to have BULLSHIT coming out of their mouths!
Go ahead mod this flamebait - but the fact is THE TRUTH IS A VIRUS! Both sides a completely full of HORSE SHIT!
So enough of this already!
The Truth is a Virus!!!
Not sure why this is marked flaimbat.
Its a very accurate representation of the whole carbon credit idea. Just loook at all those private jets flying to an environmental conference... Oh they paid some carbon offset, okay!
I would have expected it to warm at exactly the global average rate. I mean, isn't that what averages are FOR? /sarcasm
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
Canada uses that pinko Celsius system. If they would use a patriotic system like Fahrenheit they wouldn't be warming nearly as fast.
This was coincidentally "leaked" the very same day the new carbon tax kicked in, federally imposed to the provinces that are currently fighting it.
Canada is, on average, experiencing warming at twice the rate of the rest of the world, with Northern Canada heating up at almost three times the global average, according to a new government report.
You're welcome.
Yet Vancouver continues to dump raw, unprocessed sewage into the Puget Sound:
https://www.thestar.com/vancou...
The report was timed to come out the same day our carbon tax came into effect. It's designed to freak Canadians out so that they will fully accept the carbon tax.
"Evil will always triumph over good, because good is dumb." - Dark Helmet (Spaceballs)
...so yeah, I really hope the Canada is warming up a bit.
C'mon, we need to give Canada credit for leading in something besides Hockey and Curling.
I thought that was Victoria?
Anyhow, BC residents have a somewhat starry-eyed view of themselves as environmental patriots and good guys. BC is supposed to be LotusLand from their perspective.
So it seems that both Victoria and Vancouver dump untreated (or only partly treated) sewage into the ocean. For many decades. And the province is pursuing a natural gas pipeline and CNG port from the Dawson Creek/Ft. St. John area to the coast. The "no pipelines" policy seems to have a convenient exception for BC projects.
I don't want to run down BC too much but they deserve some needling over their high-falutin' rhetoric that never seems to quite match the reality.
Perhaps if they measured the temperature outdoors instead of in the full-of-hot-air opinion factories they derive their "data" from, they would see that the warming and cooling trends are normal, that humans have nothing to do with it, just as humans have nothing to do with the shrinking/expanding ice caps on Mars.
Nothing to see here. Just the usual Chicken Little Climate Change propaganda that's been ongoing since the late 1800s
https://www.inhofe.senate.gov/newsroom/speech/climate-change-update
A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver --Proverbs 25:11
Fake scientists ignore that temperatures keep dropping and winters get longer, keep pushing discredited fake science claiming global warming.
Real scientists don't keep pushing theories that do not make useful predictions. Pseudoscientists doctor the data and employ emotional rheoric and magical thinking to justify their discredited beliefs.
So who the hell cares..
so fuck off.
It's a meaningless "STOP TELLING ME! AND PUNISH YOURSELF FOR EVEN TRYING". Why the fuck should they stop meeting? Tell you what, if you fuckwits stop using electricity, they'll stop flying. Deal?
Nope, the Nazis rounded up the socialists, even before they did the jews. And there was a big thing for killing commies in the eastern front too. Plus go ahead and call trump a socialist. Call the head wizard of the KKK a democrat too. You fucking idiots keep proclaiming that the democrats are the racists, they supported the KKK 100 years ago! Go ahead, call a clan group socialist leftwing snowflakes. See how you like being nailed to a cross and burned alive...
And Global Warming does exist: It's called, SPRING, SUMMER, FALL and WINTER.
Or any part of Canada that is not within 100 miles of the US border? I don't think Urbanization is the problem here.
Yes, I live there and I have to say that urban heat definitely exists in Edmonton as well as Calgary. Not every large city in Canada is within 160km of the US border but since we have a population about half that of the UK and a land area about 40 times greater it is true that urbanization is not going to account for any significant effect on the average temperature.
Reminder: Atmospheric carbon PPM is all that separates Earth and Venus.
No, not at all. First, there is the distance to the sun: Venus is about 100e6 km vs. Earth 150e6 km which means Venus receives about twice the intensity of solar radiation. Then there is the atmospheric pressure on Venus which is about 90 times higher than Earth's.
You cannot generate a runaway greenhouse effect on Earth by burning all the fossil fuel reserves because they simply do not contain enough carbon, which is not surprising since this carbon originally came from the atmosphere in the first place. If you look at this article then the current estimate is that you would need to burn about ten times the amount of carbon locked away in coal and oil to generate a runaway greenhouse effect on Earth and even then it is not certain.
Climate change is a serious problem because it will lead to rapid changes in which areas of the planet are habitable both for humans and for the crops we depend on. This will lead to political instability as well as potential deaths due to famines and droughts. Not to mention the damage to ecosystems which may have repercussions we have not yet figured out. That list of dire results should be enough to motivate anyone to action without the need to invent fictitious rubbish about runaway greenhouse effects which, because it is so obviously wrong, undermines the message about the real and still disastrous implications of rapid global warming.
We're having the coldest winter in a century here, and it has been colder every year for the past several years. Climate hoaxers blame sunspots. I thought that sunspots were denialist fake science? They were a decade ago, before hoaxers needed an excuse for their apocalypse models being wrong!
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere, during the time of the dinosaurs, the poles (North and South) were relatively temperate. This was a period of high carbon dioxide content, high average temperatures.
But the key takeaway was, making the global average temperature higher resulted in less temperature differential between the poles and the equator.
Thus you had temperate climate dinosaurs living at or near the polar regions. Cast in modern terms, it would be insane to see a crocodilian or a reptile in Finland, Russia or Canada (northern regions in all cases of course). However you can find fossils of those animals there and it wasn't because of plate tectonics moving those lands farther north. Those lands were actually far north at the time.
You aren't allowed to question liberal fake science. It is like the middle ages all over again. The sun definitely orbits the earth, deniers are heathen devil's!
In the north, it flows to the north east. Canada itself is not warming it that much. Northwest America generates very little, so nope. So, where is a massive CO2/CH4/soot based nation to the south west of Canada that could generate so much as to impact them (and alaska)?
No doubt, we will see Chinese trolls here shortly blaming New York and Chicago for this.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
In all cases anything done by the USA's leader are policies designed to hurt people. The desire to kill Obama Care elimination and an attack upon Medicare and Medicaid, the treatment of Puerto Rico , the blocking of borders, the destruction of environment , the weakening of NATO, the defunding of the college for the blind, the defunding of the Special Olympics and more are examples but now we come to the ultimate attack upon human life, global warming, rising seas, flooding, drought, super strong and frequent wind storms, and fire storms never before equaled are being sought out and magnified by our current dictator. Notice that all of these actions are designed to harm people. Has anyone thought that our current dictator just might suffer from sadism?
It's Spring. Of course Canada is warming faster; it's been a meat locker and is finally getting some sunlight.
Ha ha ha you have no idea how climate works do you.
You are completely clueless about climate change aren't you WindBourne. lol.
CO2 lasts more than a year, so why don't you count all those other years...
Because then you would have to admit over the last 100 years America is the clear winner at pumping CO2 into the atmosphere. If you were even a tiny bit sensible you would compare per person and the situation would be even worse.
But you only care about this year, because you only care about trying to make China look bad. Even though people in America still pump out twice as much, even to this very day. There are just less of them.
https://www.wri.org/blog/2014/... America managed to be the world leaders in CO2 emissions with a tiny fraction of the worlds population. If you counted per person it would only be worse.
their temperature gives the intensity of radiation. It doesn't even have to be black body radiation, the surface is still in thermal equilibrium due to massive numbers of elastic collisions in the atmospheric molecules.
Thermometers like the one stuck up your ass when you have a rectal exam don't measure temperature either, dumbfuck, because all they measure is the expansion of a liquid. According to your dumbfuckery this means thermometers don't measure temps either.
FFS, I've worked with the dude who did all the fucking QM work for modelling irradiances to temperature through a heterogenous layer.
they measure the expansion of a liquid, dumbass!!!! Fucking moron. What do you think is the energy source for this irradiance? And the surface air IS THE AIR AT THE SURFACE, NOT THE SURFACE ITSELF, FUCKWIT. So, yeah, learn what the fuck reality means before spouting off, retard.
The Polar Vortex scenario has already occurred over Michigan. Winter 2012?-2013? - schools were closed for a month, while buried pipes were freezing and bursting everywhere. Satellite photographs made Michigan look like the surface of the moon.
In the north, it flows to the north east. Canada itself is not warming it that much. Northwest America generates very little, so nope. So, where is a massive CO2/CH4/soot based nation to the south west of Canada that could generate so much as to impact them (and alaska)? No doubt, we will see Chinese trolls here shortly blaming New York and Chicago for this.
He doesn't believe the models.
firstly
Individual carbon dioxide molecules have a short life time of around 5 years in the atmosphere. However, when they leave the atmosphere, they're simply swapping places with carbon dioxide in the ocean. The final amount of extra CO2 that remains in the atmosphere stays there on a time scale of centuries.
You're a bit thick so again, CO2 remains in the atmosphere a long time
This means that once in the atmosphere, carbon dioxide can continue to affect climate for thousands of years.
So it isn't just last years CO2 emissions that are warming Canada.
This is a much more appropriate timescale
If we extend our timeline back to 1750 and total up how much CO2 each country has emitted to date, we calculate each nation’s ‘cumulative emissions’.
If we fast-forward to the accumulated totals we see today, the US and Europe dominate in terms of cumulative emissions. China’s rapid growth in emissions over the last few decades now makes it the world’s second largest cumulative emitter, although it still comes in at less than 50% of the US total.
So in fact America is responsible for over twice as much CO2 as China.
But wait it gets better.
The key drawback of measuring the total national emissions is that it takes no account of the nation's population size. China is currently the world’s largest emitter, but since it also has the largest population, all being equal we would expect this to be the case. To make a fair comparison of contributions, we have to therefore compare emissions in terms of CO2 emitted per person.
Let's just say, per person American's have been, and still are extremely bad.
Let's look here starting in 1950 to match the timescale in the summary and report. You can slide it yourself to see that the US is bright red on the map for every year and China barely breaks into the oranges. America's CO2 per person is over double China's even now. And don't forget you started at 16 tonnes when China was at less than 1.
And all of that says nothing about how laughably inaccurate your 'climate modelling' is. Blaming China because of the wind patterns LOL. This is just you not even using the correct data.
You are a complete joke on this topic WindBourne.