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Laptops To Stay in Bags as TSA Brings New Technology To Airports (bgov.com)

Air passengers at a growing number of U.S. airports will no longer need to remove electronics, liquids, and other items from their carry-on luggage at security checkpoints as the Transportation Security Administration rolls out new technology. From a report: The TSA took a major step in a broader plan to revamp its overall screening process with faster, more advanced technology when it signed a contract Thursday for hundreds of new carry-on baggage screening machines, Administrator David Pekoske said on a press call Friday. The agency has tested the new technology at more than a dozen airports since 2017, along with the relaxed protocols that allow passengers to leave items such as laptops and toiletries inside their luggage. The rollout of the computed tomography, or CT, machines will begin this summer, Pekoske said. The $97 million contract will buy 300 machines, but the list of airports receiving them has yet to be made final, Pekoske said. The technology creates 3-D images of bags' contents and will eventually be able to detect items automatically that the TSA now asks passengers to remove, he said.

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  1. Security Theater to Be Slightly Less Inconvenient by LittleNegative · · Score: 5, Informative

    would be a better headline.

  2. Just security theater by sjbe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Air passengers at a growing number of U.S. airports will no longer need to remove electronics, liquids, and other items from their carry-on luggage at security checkpoints as the Transportation Security Administration rolls out new technology.

    We never NEEDED to in the first place. That was just a bit of security theater against conveniently unspecified "threats". Just like the liquid restrictions. It made no sense that laptops were somehow special devices that had to be scanned differently from every other piece of electronics sent through the scanner.

    1. Re:Just security theater by Mousit · · Score: 3, Informative

      We never NEEDED to in the first place. That was just a bit of security theater against conveniently unspecified "threats". Just like the liquid restrictions. It made no sense that laptops were somehow special devices that had to be scanned differently from every other piece of electronics sent through the scanner.

      A notion further reinforced by anyone who has ever ponied up the $85 "pay to win" fee for PreCheck, since those people for years now have already not had to remove liquids or electronics from their bags, nor take their shoes off. Especially considering it's damn near impossible not to get approved for PreCheck.

  3. So, a more important question... by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...It's good to see that there's less stuff required on our end, but when will they finally get rid of the rest of the security theater?

    I mean, okay, it's cool that we don't have to bang laptops around in bins anymore (and the rigamarole of answering dumb questions like "...why do you need two laptops, Sir?"), but the 4th Amendment violations in the name of reassurance continue apace - just that we're using electronics to do it. *shrug*

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    1. Re:So, a more important question... by BringsApples · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey hey hey... it sounds to me like you want to lay off all of the good folks at the TSA. Why? They're hard-working Americans. They have families that they love and have to take care of. I mean, they're just like you and I.

      I mean, yeah sure, they look at all of their fellow Americans as if they're potential terrorists, and they have been known to cause problems, but it's in the name of security from those that ...would ...cause ...problems... :\

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    2. Re:So, a more important question... by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hey hey hey... it sounds to me like you want to lay off all of the good folks at the TSA. Why?

      Because they willingly signed up to sexually molest air passengers in the name of security theater, which means they're some of the most deplorable persons in the country. That or they actually believe they're there to catch terrorists, in which case they're the dumbest people in the country. They're also generally incompetent. Every time we test them, they fail to catch most of the samples. They've never caught a terrorist, and they probably wouldn't catch one if they actually showed up, either.

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  4. Re:Security Theater to Be Slightly Less Inconvenie by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    Nah...they'll probably invent something new again. Gotta sell the preferred traveller program, and inconvenience for the masses won't design itself.

  5. Re:Radiation? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2

    Sure, this sounds convenient, but is it worth the radiation? https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/01/the-surprising-dangers-of-ct-sans-and-x-rays/index.htm

    If the TSA agent asks you to lay down on the conveyor belt, you can inform him that Federal law gives you the right to refuse to be sent through the baggage scanner.

  6. It's like travelling in the future. by nicolaiplum · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Amsterdam Airport Schiphol has had this for some months now. It's great. It's like travelling in the future. I know because I travel there very regularly.

    You unload your pocket contents into a jacket, bag, or onto a tray. You put your jacket, bag, etc, into the same or more trays. You don't take anything out of your bags. You also don't take your shoes off unless they are heavy boots.

    It all goes through a scanner. You pick it up the other side. Maybe the scanner pass takes slightly longer, but you save time overall because you don't have to unload and reload everything.

    The rate of secondary search is far less than with the old scanners, and after a few months' practice the staff are almost as fast with the old scanners too - queues are shorter than they used to be.I take all sorts of stuff in my bag (laptop and cables, several electronics, medicines, keys, carabiners, etc) and I still rarely get a secondary search. Yet, I know from shoulder-surfing the scanner operator that they can identify and check suspicious things more carefully - there's a great zoom-pan-rotate function for inspecting any item in detail. It's a little uncanny.

    You can even take any liquid you like through - I often take a water bottle still full of water. Sometimes that gets a secondary check in a liquids inspector, but that's still not a problem.

    It is far better than the current USA TSA experience. It is far, far less stressful and much faster.

    The staff like it too; they're very pleased with the scanners and the smoother passenger experience. I've talked to them several times about it (try talking to a TSA agent...) and they are enthusiastic about how good the scanners are. Of course, the Dutch security staff are much more reasonable than the TSA overall.

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  7. I don't do that today thanks to pre-check by SuperKendall · · Score: 3

    If you too sign up for the TSA trusted traveller program, you can go through security without removing bags, you can leave your jacket and watch and belt and shoes on, and go through a metal detector instead of the pervy superman vision booth.

    Totally worth it if you fly more than zero times per year.

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    1. Re:I don't do that today thanks to pre-check by Daetrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
      But we've proved it again and again,
      That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
      You never get rid of the Dane.

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  8. so let me get this straight... by nimbius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Computed tomography is a cat scan. This is a life-saving medical procedure in American hospitals that could cost you upwards of two-thousand USD. Your insurance company could elect to accept or decline that procedure arbitrarily as they see fit.

    However in US airports its now going to be a mandatory part of a theatricality introduced 18 years ago to stop terrorists we created after the fall of the soviet union through the funding and training of the Mujaheddin. This theatricality demands that we analyze nude photos of passengers through backscatter and millimeter wave systems, dump all our liquids out, and now requires we run our bags through yet another $80,000 machine to prevent terrorism. Smoking, cancer, diabetes, and even lightning strikes at 50 deaths per year kill more americans than terrorism.

    hundreds of new CT machines paid for by the government could subsidize healthcare for poor communities, but no. We're going to use them to speed up an unreasonable, wasteful and cumbersome live performance art we could have eliminated a decade ago.

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    1. Re:so let me get this straight... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is a life-saving medical procedure in American hospitals that could cost you upwards of two-thousand USD. Your insurance company could elect to accept or decline that procedure arbitrarily as they see fit.

      However in US airports its now going to be a mandatory part of a theatricality introduced 18 years ago to stop terrorists we created after the fall of the soviet union through the funding and training of the Mujaheddin.

      So why don't we combine the two? Instead of going to the hospital for a $2,000 CAT scan, you take a flight from Newark to Las Vegas which will only cost $200. And the CAT scan is free included.

      We would just need to replace some DHS folks with doctors:

      "You are not carrying any explosive devices in your body . . . but your prostate will go nuclear in a few years."

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    2. Re:so let me get this straight... by apoc.famine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The very reason that terrorism is a small percentage of the death rate is because we challenge it at every turn.

      That's a whole load of bullshit. If we were challenging it at every turn we wouldn't be bombing the shit out of countries while cutting deals with their monarchs and dictators, and those of neighboring countries. We'd be working to push democracy, education, and leveling out the wealth gap between the rich rulers and the impoverished citizens. Hell, even starting with our own country might reduce a couple of our homegrown terrorist attacks.

      Countries where the bulk of their citizens are doing well see very, very few homegrown terrorists. Countries with vast inequalities and human rights abuses see a whole lot more.

      If we were serious about defeating terrorism, bombing the shit out of poor people in the middle east and africa would not be our favorite hobby.

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  9. Security theater - TSA failure rate is 95% by sinij · · Score: 3, Interesting

    TSA repeatedly failed to detect 95% of threats in independent tests performed by Red Teams. TSA is next to useless as a security measure and is nothing but a make-work project.

    1. Re:Security theater - TSA failure rate is 95% by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Informative

      We could go back to pre-911 security levels with two exceptions and be as safe as we are now.

      Those two exceptions:

      1) Locked cabin doors so any hijacker can't easily gain control of the plane. (And instructions to pilots that they are to land at the nearest airport in the event of a hijacking no matter how many passenger fatalities are threatened.)

      2) Passenger awareness. It used to be that a hijacking meant you went to Cuba, sat quietly until the hijacker gave himself up, and then were returned safely. You were inconvenienced, but as long as you played along you were safe. 9-11 broke this script. Now passengers know that hijacking means nearly certain death if the hijackers get control of the airplane and they will fight back - even if outgunned.

      With those two in place, we could roll everything else back to pre-911 levels and not lose one iota of security.

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    2. Re:Security theater - TSA failure rate is 95% by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      With those two in place, we could roll everything else back to pre-911 levels and not lose one iota of security.

      The third exception is air marshals. Every plane didn't have an air marshal embedded in the flight before 9/11. Now they may have more than one. So it's those three, not those two. We could still eliminate the long queues for sexual abuse, however.

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  10. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'll address this specific case. The laptop has a significant battery that is very dense, and consequently fairly opaque to xray. The battery is very easy to replace with a nicely shaped chunk of semtek with a blasting cap inserted inside. Of all the crap, the concern about laptops is completely reasonable.

    1. Re:Bullshit by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      'll address this specific case. The laptop has a significant battery that is very dense, and consequently fairly opaque to xray. The battery is very easy to replace with a nicely shaped chunk of semtek with a blasting cap inserted inside.

      While this is true, removing it from the bag to scan it doesn't help prevent that attack. You have to make people turn it on. Some airports did this, some didn't.

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    2. Re:Bullshit by Q-Hack! · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You don't need to bother. Just overvolt and breach the cells. BANG!

      The difference between a Li-Po battery exploding and the same size bit of semtek exploding is several orders of magnitude.

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    3. Re:Bullshit by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      The concern wasn't that the laptop might hold a bomb. They request you remove the laptop from the bag because it contains a lot of dense complex parts which made it difficult to tell what else was in the bag when they only had a top-down view which forced them to look through the laptop. With a 3D computed tomographic view, they can virtually remove the laptop from the image to see what else is in the bag.

      It's also worth pointing out that Pan Am 103 was destroyed by a bomb in a radio that was otherwise fully functional. So turning the laptop on doesn't really accomplish anything, other than more security theater. You could still modify the battery so part of it held enough juice to turn on the laptop for the security check, while the rest of it was replaced with Semtex explosive.

  11. Re:Fire the TSA by Bryansix · · Score: 2

    How would you know that? You can't prove a negative. Security is mostly a deterrent.