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Intel Announces Cascade Lake With Up To 56 Cores and Optane Persistent Memory DIMMs (tomshardware.com)
At its Data-Centric Innovation Day, Intel today announced its Cascade Lake line of Xeon Scalable data center processors. From a report: The second-generation lineup of Xeon Scalable processors comes in 53 flavors that span up to 56 cores and 12 memory channels per chip, but as a reminder that Intel company is briskly expanding beyond "just" processors, the company also announced the final arrival of its Optane DC Persistent Memory DIMMs along with a range of new data center SSDs, Ethernet controllers, 10nm Agilex FPGAs, and Xeon D processors. This broad spectrum of products leverages Intel's overwhelming presence in the data center, it currently occupies ~95% of the worlds server sockets, as a springboard to chew into other markets, including its new assault on the memory space with the Optane DC Persistent Memory DIMMs. The long-awaited DIMMs open a new market for Intel and have the potential to disrupt the entire memory hierarchy, but also serve as a potentially key component that can help the company fend off AMD's coming 7nm EPYC Rome processors.
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The fucking company is literally called "Intel"!
And not "spying" or "surveillance" or, even better, "data kraken"?
Data centers do not care about single thread performance. They care about computations per Watt. And/or bytes transferred.
And there, Epyc just offers a much better deal. Sorry.
Gotta wait until AMD gets greedy again and kills the price advantage.
I don't know if I could handle having a 56 core processor when the whole time I'll know... deep inside. It's not an 8x8 array of cores in there. :|
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epyc also have more pci-e lanes good for IO
Isn't this the one where they basically just glued two 28 core sockets together and called it a 56 core processor? All that does is make it harder to dissipate the heat and make each of the cores slower. The only benefit would be if they sold it at a significant discount to the equivalent 2S system, which they probably won't because the point of this thing isn't to push volumes, it's to make sure the top 1S system in the benchmark charts is a 56 core Intel instead of the current 32 core AMD. But by then the 64 core Rome should be out and it doesn't even do that.
highend consumer GPUs have about 56 streaming multiprocessors. Each multi-proprocessor can run 2 to 4 SIMT ops on 32 four-byte numbers at a time. These MP are slower than a typical CPU
This intel will have 56 cores and each core presumably has 4 four-byte simd channels. It will likely hyperthread (maybe not) and have pipelined instructions and predictive branching and larger caches.
These things might actually start closing the gap with GPUs and then have all the great general purpose advantage of CPUs.
Anyone have thoughts on this?
holy smokes is all i can say. feels like my 386SX vs 386DX that I am running notepad on.
Can I get all that in a laptop? :-)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
at all...
Skylake, coffee lake, kabylake, cascade lake. Soon optanelake, intellake, and finally lakelake.
This new top-end CPU comes in at 400w and requires water cooling. Who the hell wants water cooling in the data center!? This just seems like a massive disaster waiting to happen. Also, they're no longer socketed, but instead soldered directly to the motherboard, just like SoCs.
Just what you want... persistent memory... so your keys are easier to steal and the government can see what you were doing when they broke in and stole all of your computers.
Unless this Optane is very different from the Optane that Intel has been selling as a hard disk cache, the number of writes per bit before failure falls very short of medium-grade SSDs. That's okay for a lightly used consumer laptop but will soon fail as a disk cache in a heavily used system. Main-memory for a server is even worse - they'll run through the expected life in months, if not weeks.
And requires watercooling for the top tier part. All that shade thrown Amd's way and here they are eating a big steaming pile of crow to stay relevant.
A grid of processor cores 7 wide by 8 tall would give you exactly 56 cores though. And these things are determined by the available chip area, which is itself determined by manufacturer goals for performance, heat output, electrical consumption, chip yields, etc.
So yeah, it could be an 8x8 grid, but it could easily be a 7x8 grid too.
With the soldered in boards
Except of course the 1.4Phz clock, 200 threads, and RGB LEDs on the die cover.
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Anon post for obvious reasons.
I test my circuits on all the Intel chips.
I got to test my circuit on the 56 core behemoth.
I pretended it was taking longer than it was, so I could run my threaded analysis code on it (heavily compute bound). It whipped through a day's compute in an hour.
If you need to thread your algorithms for performance and can scale to many cores, these things are awesome.
and nothing of note to indicate intel even gives a shit about the ongoing supply issues (shortage) of normal consumer chips.. just the stuff that pads their bank accounts the most (high end and servers).
shit a brick
Game over! man Game over!
I've been trying to figure out the use case for the Non volatile memory since I first heard of this. The latency to the storage would be incredibly low, but I'm not sure what customers might actually need something like that. I think I could see it being used in the stock market, and maybe for MMOs, but I can't think of many other use cases.
Re:Why is it called "intelligence" anyway ... and not "spying" or "surveillance" or, even better, "data kraken"?
For much the same reason the US's first army, back during the revolution, was called the "Second Army" or the atomic bomb project was called "The Manhattan Project.
It's the "Fog of War": The name is not for clarity. It's a tool to advance the organization's objectives.
When the enemy is battling the Second Army, his attention is distracted, wondering if the First Army is about to attack from behind or on another flank. You get that extra wound on his efforts for free, just by choosing a name.
Calling it "Intelligence" rather than "spying" (which is only a PART of it, anyhow), makes it more palatable to the rulers and funders, resulting in more resources and less interference.
It's also a pun: By providing extra information and analysis of it to military decision makers, it enables (thogugh doesn't guarantee) better decisions, much as making them smarter might do.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
From here: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-cascade-lake-xeon-optane,6061.html
"Instead of being socketed processors, the 9200-series processors come in a BGA (Ball Grid Array) package that is soldered directly to the host motherboard via a 5903-ball interface."
Who is excited to attempt RMA'ing a $10k to $20k Motherboard?
Intel has been on this train for a while now:
https://phys.org/news/2012-11-intel-broadwell-cpu-swap-outs.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/186846/intel-roadmap-outlines-lga-to-bga-transition
Guess it's time to go AMD for all our server builds, or invest in a cheap Rework Station:
http://bit.ly/rework_station
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Holy crap you got me good. This is a rare AC that deserves +5 Funny.
Totally believable!
I still think you pulled all of it out or your ass.
- Bill Gates
and nothing of note to indicate intel even gives a shit about the ongoing supply issues (shortage) of normal consumer chips.. just the stuff that pads their bank accounts the most (high end and servers).
Except spending a few billion to fix it.
Right now there are like 11 super micro boards for 1 socket LGA 3647.
and like 20+ different 2 sockets boards.
Most of the difference is to fit different case sizes and different io choices.
Also only 40 pci-e lanes per socket.
With no socket you are going to end up you can't get X cpu with X board or say your big case board as a min cpu that is over kill for your needs.
AMD will crush Intel again.
I don't buy that. "intelligence agency" is not a good example of obfuscation, because its meaning is instantly obvious to anyone, unlike, say, "Manhattan project".
One of the definitions of 'intelligence' is "the faculty of understanding". In this case, the faculty of understanding your enemies.
Gathering data is just the first part of what an intelligence agency does. The real value is in analyzing that data into a coherent picture of what your enemy is capable of and what he will do next.
Will it boot MS-DOS 5.0?
I heard it needs water ... So I can't play games with this?
NSA's wet dream. Can't wait til this hits Joe Publics space.
I think we are in a new era. 56 Cores means that the next gen will be >100 cores which means we can be within striking distance of 1000 cores within 10 years.
Maybe ?
Question to Slashdot: Until what year did humanity have more than 56 cores/CPUs ? 1959, 60, 61 ? I wonder...
Persistent malware!
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.