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SpaceX Fires Up the Engine On Its Test Starship Vehicle For the First Time (theverge.com)

SpaceX successfully ignited the onboard engine of its next-generation spacecraft, the Starship, for the first time today. "The ignition was a test known as a static fire, meant to try out the engine while the vehicle remained tethered to the Earth," reports The Verge. "However, today's test marked the first time this vehicle lit up its engine, and it could pave the way for short 'hop' flights in the near future." From the report: This particular vehicle, referred to as "Starhopper," is meant to test out the technologies and basic design of the final Starship vehicle -- a giant passenger spacecraft that SpaceX is making to take people to the Moon and Mars. The stainless steel Starship is supposed to launch into deep space on top of a massive booster called the Super Heavy, which will be capable of landing back on Earth after takeoff just like SpaceX's current Falcon 9 rocket fleet. And when complete, the Starship/Super Heavy combo should be capable of putting up to 220,000 pounds (100,000 kilograms) into low Earth orbit, according to SpaceX CEO Elon Musk, making it one of the most powerful rockets ever made.

SpaceX is currently building the first Starship spacecraft at the company's launch site and test facility in Texas, Musk said on Twitter. But before that vehicle sees space, SpaceX first plans to conduct a few hover flights with the Starhopper. These tests involve igniting the engine (or engines) attached to the bottom of the vehicle. Though these flights won't take the ship to space, they will test out SpaceX's new powerful Raptor engine -- a critical piece of hardware that will be used to power the future Starship and Super Heavy booster. SpaceX fired up a full-scale version of the Raptor engine for the first time in February. And for the last four months, SpaceX has been building the Starhopper at its Boca Chica facility, an area that the company plans to turn into a commercial launch site. Workers transported the vehicle to a test launchpad at the beginning of March and then recently attached a Raptor engine to its bottom.

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  1. More Info by mentil · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Musk tweeted: "Starhopper completed tethered hop. All systems green." suggesting the results were good.
    A decent quality video of the test fire can be seen here. The 'hop' is presumably mere inches, as the tether has essentially no slack.

    This is the first known vertical test-fire of the Raptor engine, the first engine firing at the Boca Chica facility, and AFAIK the first time a full-flow rocket engine has been test-fired while attached to a rocket of any sort.

    Great progress all around.

    Given the orbital hopper is planned to complete construction in June, it's likely the current one will complete its hops by then, suggesting frequent tests rather than the ~40 days inbetween tests of the original Grasshopper.

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    1. Re:More Info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not to mention Arabsat-6A launching a few days after on a Falcon Heavy.

      Guess Starhopper didn't want all the attention on her big sister.

    2. Re:More Info by Kuruk · · Score: 0

      I saw the tweet "Starhopper completed tethered hop. All systems green."

      I saw no hop just a fart and a burp.

    3. Re: More Info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't starhopper more massive than FH?

    4. Re: More Info by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      No. The combined Starship/Super Heavy combo will be, but the hooper is relatively tiny.

    5. Re:More Info by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      Great progress all around.

      One of the few things in the world I'm enthused and optimistic about.
      Fantastic news!

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  2. Starship? by rossdee · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Lets not get ahead of ourselves, this thing is not a starship , it couldn't even get out of the solar system.

    1. Re:Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So airships travel between airs? What's the other space for spaceships?

      If Elon's new toy can play around where (to abuse kerbal's single body system) it's in Sol's SoI instead of Earth's SoI...Starship (SolShip) works for me.

    2. Re:Starship? by mentil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When the name was first unveiled and someone pointed out that implied the ability to go to other stars, Musk replied that with some modifications, it could be a real starship.
      In practice though, there's no way a bell-nozzle methalox engine is going to be used to get to another star. Nuclear propulsion, or at least an aerospike engine, would be utilized. Or possibly a huge solar sail launched from Mercury. These technologies are close enough to being ready that they'd overtake a craft launched today using existing tech.

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    3. Re: Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Aerospike is a buzzword: It is a rocket engine, which works at both sea level and vacuum fairly well. It doesn't give you a magic high ISP over a large vacuum engine. Therefore it has nothing to do with interstellar spaceships.

      It was seen as a good solution for single stage to orbit (SSTO), which have been a wet dream for rocket science for ages. SpaceX proved that unnecessary for reuse anyway.

    4. Re:Starship? by joh · · Score: 3

      Boeing naming its capsule "Starliner" is OK though?

    5. Re:Starship? by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      Starships have two additional problems: getting telemetry back, and slowing down at the destination.

      You don't want to spend a huge budget on a starship to get a 100 pixel image of a distant planet.

    6. Re:Starship? by mentil · · Score: 1

      If the Sun is inbetween Earth and and the starship, then that'd make telemetry a problem. So we'd want relays in other orbits/lagrange points/interstellar space.
      If you mean the signal being too weak, then you'd want to use auto-tracking line-of-sight communications (e.g. lasers).

      Unless aiming for a flyby, I imagine the 'slowing down' part would be built into the mission specs, just save ~1/3 of your fuel for slowing at the destination. Solar sails can be turned around so that the target star slows them (although AFAIK this has never been demonstrated.)

      I'd be more worried about miscalculating the relative velocity of our solar system and the target star, and ending up where the star was a few years ago, too far away from it to capture decent images.

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    7. Re: Starship? by mentil · · Score: 1

      It'd help an interstellar spaceship if it were doing a propulsive landing on a planet with atmosphere. But I concede it wouldn't be an important consideration for a first trip when we know nothing about what's there aside from maybe a couple gas giants.

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    8. Re:Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on how much time you're willing to give it...

    9. Re:Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      imagine the 'slowing down' part would be built into the mission specs, just save ~1/3 of your fuel for slowing at the destination.

      LOL
      ever heard of rocket equation dude ?

    10. Re:Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If it doesn't travel between stars, then starship is the wrong name.

      The same guy has an autopilot which does not pilot automatically you know.

    11. Re:Starship? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Unless aiming for a flyby, I imagine the 'slowing down' part would be built into the mission specs, just save ~1/3 of your fuel for slowing at the destination.

      So you can slow down but still go sailing on past whatever the target is?

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    12. Re:Starship? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Oh so it could travel to another star with "some modifications"? Amazing stuff.
       
      "Nuclear propulsion, or at least an aerospike engine, would be utilized. Or possibly a huge solar sail launched from Mercury."
       
      Oh. Right. But first, lets launch another satellite into LEO.

    13. Re:Starship? by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Informative

      If the Sun is inbetween Earth and and the starship, then that'd make telemetry a problem

      Not talking about the Sun, but rather the problem of the distance and the inverse square law. The closest star is 5000 times as far as Pluto, which means that any signal is 25 million times weaker. We're already using the biggest dish antennas on Earth to get a trickle of data from outer solar system missions.

      just save ~1/3 of your fuel for slowing at the destination.

      If you need to keep 1/3 of the fuel, your other 2/3 is not enough to bring it up to speed. The Tsiolkovsky rocket equation is not your friend.

    14. Re: Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's a name, little pedantic autistic child. Here, tale your meds.

    15. Re:Starship? by Rolgar · · Score: 1

      Like how Tesla's autopilot is really just driver assist.

    16. Re:Starship? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      With some modifications, a pencil could be a real starship. You just have to, basically, build a starship around it.

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    17. Re: Starship? by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      which works at both sea level and vacuum fairly well

      That's a nice way of putting it. In other words it's a compromise resulting in an engine that is really bad at sea level and really bad in space, but not so bad that it would be cheaper/more efficient to build a 2 engine system...

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    18. Re:Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blake's 7 a 1980's BBC production.
      Besides Planet Hopper was there not a star drive in one episode and faster than Liberator intercepts called star hopper already. Sorry Musk, I think your rocket name was already used in Blakes 7 - in 1980. So is Star Princess.

    19. Re: Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No but I expect one to require a billion, billion parts.

    20. Re:Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gimme a Space Chopper. Hey, Harley D - are you up to it?

      SPACE CHOPPER
      (D-4: STARDRIVE)
      Small one-seater spacecraft. Tarrant referred to them being a teenagers" craze "two centuries back", whereupon the Federation outlawed them. The space rats on Caspar had at least two space choppers, fitted with Plaxton's photonic drive enabling them to reach high speeds. Orac stated that the speed of the chopper attacking a Federation patrol near the Altern system was Standard by 12.6, but Atlan on Caspar referred to TD (ie: Time Distort) 12. The improved Mark II version of the drive was too large to be fitted into a space chopper. Dayna and Vila found two space choppers in the space rats hideout on Caspar, though there may well have been more.

    21. Re: Starship? by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      No it isn't really bad at both it is actually fairly good at both, it just doesn't get to the same level as a purpose built bell will get.

    22. Re:Starship? by White+Yeti · · Score: 1

      If not for Tesla's cars, we would have called it something like "cruise control".

    23. Re: Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pedantic autistic child

      This is Slashdot. Pendantic people who can communicate reasonably well in English are welcome, without regard to whether they are neurotypical or not and without regard to age.

      I will admit that most preschool-and-younger people are not able to read and write well enough to participate, but some might.

    24. Re: Starship? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      When you're burning millions of dollars worth of fuel per second, anything less than ideal is really bad... Yeah ok I was exaggerating, hyperbole is a sin I regularly commit. However any compromise implies less than the ideal and since the needs of rocket flight in a high pressure environment are completely opposite to the needs of rocket flight in a vacuum, the "happy middle" is expensive. The GOOD thing about it is that it's less expensive than lugging a 2nd motor up to orbit before turning it on.

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    25. Re:Starship? by Immerman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How do you figure? I'm not sure 1/3rd is the proper ratio, but accelerating is going to take a lot more fuel (reaction mass really) than decelerating, since you don't have to decelerate all the fuel you've already used up. And the fuel is likely to be the vast majority of the mass of the entire mission.

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    26. Re:Starship? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I guess when you put it that way it probably would be closer to 1/3.

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    27. Re:Starship? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Just use a billion times as much fuel - the rocket equation puts no limit on delta-v or payload (which is essentially what braking fuel is), it only states that the amount of fuel needed increases exponentially with the desired delta-V.

      Better still, use a propellant with a better isp. Double the isp for the same mass of propellant, and you'll have half your propellant left over after reaching the target speed.

      Neither is terribly relevant to the near term, but we're discussing interstellar travel from the perspective of a species that's still basically confined to its home planet. Let's revisit the conversation once we have several thriving offworld colonies, interplanetary trade is routine, and antimatter is a conveniently dense way to store power. Not a whole lot of point in looking to travel beyond our own system before then anyway.

      As for telemetry - I'm fairly certain we're not using our most powerful radio-telescope arrays to receive the data from those outer system missions. Plus, our biggest telescope array is still only measured in miles - once we go orbital in a big way we can increase that a million-fold without hardly trying. Not to mention the potential a solar gravitational lens telescope, which would be a lot faster and easier to build and launch than a serious interstellar mission, and give you a much better idea of what to prepare for. From 2000AU out, the image of an Earth-sized planet 35 light years away would be 12.5km across on the focal plane, and increase the intensity of light (and radio) by a factor of 100,000. Makes for a great signal booster as well as a visual scouting tool.

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    28. Re:Starship? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      That was my thought - the propulsion system *is* the rocket. The rest is just a glorified tin can to carry the payload.

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    29. Re:Starship? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that name was already mis-taken for legacy speed maintenance systems. Cruise control? Bull. It's speed control at best, cruising also involves staying on the road and not hitting anything.

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    30. Re:Starship? by Immerman · · Score: 1
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    31. Re:Starship? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Getting data back is a lag issue, not a bandwidth issue. There's no reason we couldn't get a high res image of a distant planet... a decade after it was transmitted.

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    32. Re:Starship? by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      Just use a billion times as much fuel

      Not just fuel, also fuel tanks, extra staging, and assorted mass. But yeah, in my book that counts as a "problem".

      Plus, our biggest telescope array is still only measured in miles

      A telescope array is only useful to increase its resolving power, because that only depends on maximum distance. It doesn't help much with sensitivity, because that's related to total area, which only modestly increases with extra telescopes. The biggest single dish in the Deep Space Network is only 70 meter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      You could of course use a bigger dish on the probe, but that would require more mass, and/or a really flimsy structure. And every ton of mass would require another billion tons of fuel, per your estimate.

    33. Re:Starship? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but tank mass increases far more slowly than fuel mass thanks to the square-cube law, which helps at least.

      That's a fair point about telescope arrays, but a gravitational lens telescope doesn't suffer from that problem, with a single lens... thousands? millions? of times larger than Earth's disc, even after blocking out the sun at the center. Plus, I don't think you don't need imaging for a radio antenna, which means you can put your transceiver at the focal point rather than the imaging plane, and increase that 100,000x gain far further.

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    34. Re:Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much thrust did the engine produce? What fuels does it use?

    35. Re:Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey man I saw an engine design that reasonably could yield a six digit ISP.

    36. Re: Starship? by s_p_oneil · · Score: 1

      "When you're burning millions of dollars worth of fuel per second, anything less than ideal is really bad"

      That makes me wonder if the Peregrine rocket will ever be viable for putting payloads into orbit: https://phys.org/news/2017-04-...

      Even if it is less efficient, if it can actually put payloads into orbit, it may still be more cost-effective. Most of the articles I've seen on it have been lacking detailed capabilities and technical hurdles it needs to overcome, though.

    37. Re:Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair it isn't going to travel inside a star either so those conventions also don't apply.

      It is pretty pretentious to call an intrasystem/interplanetary craft a "starship".

    38. Re: Starship? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It'd help an interstellar spaceship if it were doing a propulsive landing on a planet with atmosphere.

      Everybody who watches sci-fi already knows; the only inter-system spaceships that can land on a planet with an atmosphere have some sort of an energy drive; you don't even think about it with a propulsive drive.

      So far, the only "space drive" type of technology are some small prototypes. But we don't have good enough energy storage yet to use that on a spaceship for anything other than maneuvering thrusters.

    39. Re:Starship? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Lets not get ahead of ourselves, this thing is not a starship , it couldn't even get out of the solar system.

      It goes faster than Jefferson Starship, sonny boy. They only go 3/5th of a mile in 10 seconds.

    40. Re:Starship? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      OK, so if the payload includes a solar sail, then yes?

      So, yes?

      It almost sounded like were saying "no," except the arguments you made seem to be in support of what he said, at least after subtracting the conclusory opinions.

    41. Re: Starship? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Aerospike is unproven technology in an industry that's inherently risky, political, and conservative tech holds supreme. That's not a bad thing to be conservative. But once rocket launching become too competitive and profit margins shrink, then the aerospace will be given another serious look.

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    42. Re:Starship? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You can see more stars from LEO than from where the humans live down here. 24 "hours" a "day," too.

      In the word "Starliner," the root is liner. As in, some type of people-mover than operates on a schedule. Modified by the word "star." As the modifier, it can be indirect and still be applicable. So a people-mover that gives you really good views of the stars, this is still a very literal word. Any complaint is merely stylistic, not semantic.

      In Starship, however, the key word is ship. The modifier isn't attaching to a word having to do with humans and the human perspective; it is a more concrete word, referring to the craft itself rather than its function. So here, Starship does imply that it's role as a ship has something to do with stars. But a ship doesn't "look," it doesn't have an experiential perspective to easily sweep in modifiers.

      So yeah, if you're a person who wants the name to be literally true, Starship would be misleading in a way that Starliner is not. Luckily though, names don't actually work that way; Jefferson Airplane were not actually an airplane, the Beatles were not insects, and it is a good thing too, because what about the Birds?

    43. Re:Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Lets not get ahead of ourselves, this thing is not a starship , it couldn't even get out of the solar system."

      There are no starships. You cannot land on a star.
      Not even at night.

    44. Re: Starship? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      When you're burning millions of dollars worth of fuel per second, anything less than ideal is really bad... Yeah ok I was exaggerating, hyperbole is a sin I regularly commit.

      Including in that sentence. The total fuel load of a Falcon 9 costs approximately $200,000. Super Heavy might make it over $1 million for its fuel load, but that's still several minutes of burn time to even hit $1 million. It might not even hit $1 million, too. Methane is cheaper than kerosene. There's no public data about how much methane a Super Heavy will need. SpaceX might not even know themselves for certain yet. Super Heavy design keeps changing.

    45. Re:Starship? by drew_kime · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I guess when you put it that way it probably would be closer to 1/3.

      Did you just ... accept a correction with grace and maturity? What site am I on, and what did they do with Slashdot?

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    46. Re: Starship? by bjwest · · Score: 1

      It'd help an interstellar spaceship if it were doing a propulsive landing on a planet with atmosphere.

      Why in hell would an interstellar spaceship need to land on the planet it goes to? In order to make it there to begin with it would have to be huge. It certainly wouldn't take off from a planet, with or without an atmosphere, it would leave from orbit where it was built. Shirley you aren't expecting something the size of the space shuttle to be making the journey to another star system.

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    47. Re:Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woe there partner. In space there is no atmospheric pressure, so your tank will have to be pressurized. Pressure vessel thickness scales linearly with diameter, which means the ratio of container to contents isn't going to change much with size. I am a chemical engineer and sizing vessels is an important part of my living.

      https://processdesign.mccormick.northwestern.edu/index.php/Equipment_sizing

    48. Re: Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if you can get peregrine falcons to carry a rocket and launch it

      Paraffin offers several interesting advantages over traditional rocket fuels. In addition to being non-toxic – which helps make its manufacture and transport cheaper and safer – it can be part of an efficient, stable combustion system that provides higher thrust in a compact motor. The paraffin-based fuel also works under challenging environmental conditions, like the very low temperatures found on the surface of Mars. The Mars Ascent Vehicle, currently under development by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, aims to use the paraffin technology to return a sample from the surface of the planet to an orbiting spacecraft. This technology could also be used on Earth for boosters and sounding rockets with research applications.

      Perhaps it can be used for ballistic missiles.
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    49. Re:Starship? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      What?... Okay, yeah, I guess that makes sense doesn't it? At a given pressure the total outward force on an "equator strip" of a tank would increase linearly with circumference (or radius), which means the tensile strength of the strip needs to do so as well, and thus needs to be proportionally thicker. Hmm. Way to rain on my parade.

      Of course, you are assuming the tank is pressurized - the thickness of a tank for liquid propellant with a very low vapor pressure is would be dominated by the need to survive acceleration stresses... which I suppose would create pressure, at least on the back side of the tank, wouldn't it?

      Still, there's always the old standby of solid propellants, if one could be found with a high enough ISP.

      Of course, that all assumes you're carrying your launching propellant with you, which would be the least-efficient way to do it.

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    50. Re: Starship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why waste a lot of fuel bringing your first stage engine all the way to orbit. Engines are heavy - aerospike engines are even heavier.

      To get of the ground you need high trust - I.e. big or many engines. Not high ISP.

      Further up you want high ISP and not so much trust.

      Saturn V used petroleum and LOX in the first stage (lower ISP, high trust) and hydrolox in second and third stage (highest ISP for chemical rockets, but low trust). The space shuttle and Ariana 5 use(d) hydrolox all the way but needs solid boosters to get off the ground (kind of first stage). Only Delta IV variants use hydrolox all the way.

      Falcon 9 and heavy use petroleum and LOX in both stages for simplicity, but it suffers compared to hydrolox upper stages for high velocity target orbits even though it can get a lot to LEO.

    51. Re: Starship? by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      In order to make it there to begin with it would have to be huge.

      Or it could be very tiny like the StarChip proposal. But either way it is not landing on any planets.

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    52. Re: Starship? by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      Right you are. Space fanboys always focus on the fuel and energy, which fall into the category of "round-off error" for all space flight systems, Fuel is free, in comparison to the hardware and operations costs. And that is what makes SpaceX viable - they are cutting the one cost that dominates, the flight hardware, by reusing it.

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    53. Re: Starship? by bjwest · · Score: 1

      In order to make it there to begin with it would have to be huge.

      Or it could be very tiny like the StarChip proposal. But either way it is not landing on any planets.

      I'm not sure I'd consider those star ships any more than I do the Voyager probes, which may eventually pass into another star system. Even though they'll be targeted towards Alpha Centauri, unless you redefine the word 'ship', they're still probes.

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    54. Re: Starship? by mentil · · Score: 1

      The question is: once you have full reusability, how do you cut rocket launch costs further? New engines/fuels/drop rockets...
      BFR is only 2.5 of the 4 orders of magnitude cost reduction that Musk wants.

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  3. (applause) by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Say what you will about Musk, that he's a narcissist, that he's irresponsible, that he's erratic, a cad....I don't give the faintest fuck.

    He's NOT EVEN ON THE LIST of the 20 richest people in the world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_richest_people_in_the_world) but he's DOING SHIT with his money that is trying to do cool stuff other than just make him even richer. In some cases he's spending it on kooky-ass ideas, sure, but at least he's risking it on stuff that may payoff big one day.
    The man has almost single-handedly advanced electric cars and self-driving cars from ludicrous fringe research to stuff we're actually talking about.
    He's building rocket ships to make space flight reasonable, instead of NASA's six-sigma risk-avoidance budget-protection strategy.
    He's trying to think laterally to solve traffic problems in a way nobody's considered before.
    I'll admit, I will NEVER travel in a Boring Co tunnel (nope!) nor on a Hyperloop (nope!) nor will I likely benefit from his rockets in my lifetime.

    But by god, at least those ridiculous piles of money are being spent on SOMETHING.

    To shame them:
    Rank Name Citizenship Net worth (USD) Age Main source of wealth Ref(s)
    1 Jeff Bezos United States $136.1 billion
    2 Bill Gates United States $95.7 billion
    3 Warren Buffett United States $82.7 billion
    4 Bernard Arnault France $68.1 billion
    5 Carlos Slim Mexico $64.1 billion
    6 Amancio Ortega Spain $61.5 billion
    7 Larry Ellison United States $59.6 billion
    8 Mark Zuckerberg United States $54.3 billion
    9 Larry Page United States $49.8 billion
    10 Mukesh Ambani India $48.8 billion
    11 Sergey Brin United States $48.6 billion
    12 Charles Koch United States $48.5 billion
    13 David Koch United States $48.5 billion
    14 Michael Bloomberg United States $47.1 billion
    15 Jim Walton United States $46.1 billion
    16 Alice Walton United States $45.9 billion
    17 S. Robson Walton United States $45.8 billion
    18 FranÃoise Bettencourt Meyers France $44.9 billion
    19 Steve Ballmer United States $41.6 billion

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    1. Re:(applause) by r2kordmaa · · Score: 1
      At least half the people on your list are doing cool stuff with their money or are handing it out to charity all over the place. Keep in mind, most of their net worth is not in money, but in companies they own, which they would have to sell to make their net worth into money.

      Jeff Bezos has his own space program

      Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Mark Zuckerberg started The Giving Pledge, which basically amounts to billionaires promising to donate half their wealth to charity over time.

      Gates in addition has a nuclear reactor development program in order to combat climate change.

      Carlos Slim has committed billions to philanthropy, but not to the level of Gates crowd.

      Larry Ellison has joined the Giving Pledge

      Charles and David Koch have done quite a bit of philanthropy, focus on how much stuff they are involved in rather than the sums which are modest compared to some of the earlier entries.

      Michael Bloomberg has donated massive sums to philantropy

      The rest have donated more modest amounts, have done it quietly or have done squat.